The Altar stone used in the Stonehenge model is from the Forest of Dean Quarry, and is a Bixhead Blue, which is a micaceous sandstone. Souden (1997) states, "The central altar stone also came from Southwest Wales; it is usually identified as a greenish sandstone with mica, from the Cosheston Beds of the south coast, although other possibilities have been advanced". Duff & Smith (1992, pg 188, 189) indicate that the rocks of the Forest of Dean belong to the Devonian group and the Cosheston group, outcroping in South West Wales is included in this group (Centre for Heritage, Archaeology, Stone & Masonry Structures).
Are you sure that you are correct in referring to "Stone 59" as being the Altar Stone? We would agree that the evidence can be debated as to whether the original Altar Stone, which I believe is marked as Stone 80 on the 'Ancient Monuments Branch, Ministry of Public Building and Works' plan, would have been lying or standing. In fact the Altar Stone at the Maryhill 'Stonehenge Veterans Memorial' was constructed in the lying position.
Before commenting on the description we have given for Trilithon 59 as "Parallels", we would respectfully suggest that you read our reasoned and evidenced based argument that we have given on pages 50 - 54 of our paper 'The Stonehenge Carvings'. Once you have read this you will understand that there is nothing coincidental about why this carving was on this stone. You will also read that whilst it has been termed the "Parallels" in fact that there was something more to discover on this Trilithon.
You made reference to the work of Professor Mike Parker Pearson of UCL regarding the Altar Stone; he has been advised of our findings.
myths and legends do have an element of truth in them but i think if you take every thing that is said divide it by 2 and take away 30 youll have the closest thing to the truth !
Yes. Can you share more information with me.
I have reason to believe i am a "Queen" or am somehow connected to these ant people.
I live in New Mexico and have been surrounded by a hive mind of people who have been talking to me indirectly wherever i go. I know it sounds nuts but it is my experience. I am a male but t hey always refer to me as "She" I recently had an overwhelming drive to go to Dulce but decided not to for fear of not coming back out of the surface... I had a very vivid lucid dream of a luminous white segmented being that was very small i thought was my mother and then when i looked closer i realized it was about 8 inches tall and at the very end moment before awakening it moved it's arms to look like the way Preying mantis' look. Simon parkes talks about being raised by the mantid race.
And before the Christians came, the natives were wiping each other out, some in wars that literally spanned years, and resulted in stories passed down through generations, about so many dead you couldn't walk the ground for the bodies. Of whole tribes and peoples being wiped out. HUMANS will fight and disagree and war and kill each other until kingdom come, It is the one thing that knows no race, color or creed, even if people use that as the excuse.
We would refer you to the picture in "Stonehenge - A History in Photographs" by Julian Richards an English Publication first published 2004 (ISBN 1-85074-895-0). On page 16 there is a photograph dated 1867 by Colonel Sir Henry Jones (NMR BB 95/50010). In it one can see that there is a feature that can be clearly seen on the outer facing surface of Trilithon 52 which predates the 1960's graffiti that many of the experts claim that this feature is attributed to.
You say I should read “the” paper, which I did, but there are two papers cited at the end of your article, and I thought, maybe mistakenly, that I could base my comment on what I read in the first.
The source of the confusion is Google’s image search returns under (altar stone stonehenge). All but the last image in the top row are NOT of the Altar Stone (Stone 80) but apparently your Stone 59. It doesn’t help that none of my three books on Stonehenge, namely: (1) English Heritage’s guide by Julian Richards, (2) Mike Parker-Pearson’s “Stonehenge” (2012) and (3) Brian John’s book on the bluestones has a photo of either the Altar Stone or Stone 59,, and indeed the Altar Stone gets scarcely a mention in any of the texts either.
The only source in that top row to show the ‘real’ Altar Stone No 80 (WITHOUT the groove, “parallels”, notch etc) is the sarsen.org site.
As a foot note to this article I would like to mention the Heel stone. It is assumed by the general public to be the marker for Summer Solstice Sunrise but the Sun has never risen there and still doesn't. Perhaps in several hundred years but not now and not in 3000 BCE either.
The Heel stone is sometimes reffered to as the Friar's Heel stone this is believed to have come from Freyja's He-ol or Heol stone. Freyja is Venus and He, ol and heol are Welsh words. He = to sow and ol = track. Heol = road. So the Heel stone is Venus' to sow track or Venus' road.
The first day of our calendar was Summer Solstice 3154 BCE. This was a very important day for astronomers who wanted to keep track of cycles.
Venus, as the Morning Star, rose at the Heel stone and did so every eight years on Summer Solstice. Next event 2019...........it still works.
Are you so sure these "calculations" are bunk? You can use the same linear regression model used in the leading edges of science and medicine to calculate the following.
Global population today =7+ billion
Global population in 1800 =1 billion
This equates to roughly one population doubling every 60-70 years.
Now run a regression on a 65 year half life and guess how many years you have to go back to arrive at a global population of 2?
Less than 4000
This is a far more accurate method than stupid radioisotope dating which has been debunked a million times. So believe what you want, but if you doubt this method you must likewise totally discount countless established facts of science, economics, and medicine derived by this method. I'm not religious at all but these facts are what they are. Deny if you like but the math doesn't lie. If it did youd already be dead.
Sorry. But you’re wrong. Everything in the article can be backed up if you look at the sources, even the so-called “anomalous energies”. Have a nice day.
Yes, there is no doubt it is interesting, but... if there was any success in transmutation (including the nuclear kind), the supply, if not access to the actual recipe, would have noticeably increased a long time ago and gold and silver would be rendered worthless (perhaps fiat is the ultimate philosopher's stone!) Given the staggering billions of man hours relating to all sorts of chemistry just in the last century, there is even less likelihood of such fantasy. I prefer to think of alchemist achievements like the realization that kaolin would transform lower quality pottery into porcelain by Augustus the Strong's prison guest! The Newton papers reflect a man who took everything around him very seriously. Had he lived another 100 years, perhaps he would have discarded many lines of thought, but that does not mean he wasted his time. Research in general is the pursuit of what ends up being many dead ends.
.. it is not (gods)money that is power but it is a tool of the powerful and only if you allow it to be so, because money is your accepted debt toward whoever’s name or seal is on that money
I always wondered if it were possible that the white giants were early norse settlers that came across. As I understand norse people were bigger than average because of their diet so this could have lead to them being called giants by later generations - Also wasn't a long ship found in Tennessee a few years ago? Or was that another state?
It's not clear why "Stone 59" appears in the gallery of images, without specific reference to its more common name "the Altar Stone". Nor is it clear why it is assumed that it was once upright instead of recumbent at present .Prof Mike Parker-Pearson ofUCL was less than fulsome in his 2012 book in providing such thin evidence for it having once been upright (it’s to do with "the shape of the ends" you know).
Let's not forget either that the Altar Stone has a unique geology where Stonehenge is concerned, being neither local sarsen, nor matching the smaller ‘bluestones' of Welsh origin. It's described as a green micaceous sandstone, the largest of the bluestones, but non-igneous, i.e. sedimentary, in contrast to the 'igneous Preseli (?) bluestones (spotted dolerite, rhyolite etc), and said to originate from an entirely different part of Wales (the Milford Haven area). Special geology imples special role, yes? Calendar marking? Maybe, but one needs first to do proper justice to more basic down-to-earth alternatives (e.g.the rituals associated with life and death, notably the Neolithic perceived imperatives of release of the spirit from mortal remains).
The purpose of the longitudinal scooped-out groove, clearly hand cut ? OK, so the edges can be described as “Parallels” ( a new one on me). There's a more obvious non-calandar role if it is indeed correctly described as an intentionally- recumbent altar stone. Nope, not human sacrifice as was once the fashionable theory, but still death-ritual related if viewed as the ‘picnic table’ - if you’ll pardon the expression - of a "sky burial" site, the encircling stone circle and lintels providing high perches for excarnating bird life (gulls, crows etc):
Gobblydegook b.s. Sorry, but I can't agree that this was well written or well researched. I grew up in the shadow Mt. Shasta and you completely missed what everyone around there already knows about the mountain.
Mt. Shasta and the surrounding volcanoes (such as Lassen), and the lava beds that extend across the entire region are the product of geological processes. Your "Creator" comments are noted for their baseless claims that defy reality and common sense.
Mt. Shasta's claim to fantasy and folklore notwithstanding (you missed the Little People legend), it's an icon and a landmark and a sacred place to indigenous peoples (just as all lands are). But there are no 'anomalous energies' there except in the minds of the deluded and in the power lines that run around the mountain.
As for the 'psychic origins' claim, those too are in your head, along with all the imaginary voices you seem to hear. Good god man, use some common sense and stop spewing such claptrap. People might think you're actually crazy.
The eye "carving" on Stone 52 referred to in this article is in fact just an area of different lichen species which appears related to where grafittit has been cleaned off in the past. See http://www.stonesofstonehenge.org.uk/search/label/Stone%20052 for a closer view.
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The Altar stone used in the Stonehenge model is from the Forest of Dean Quarry, and is a Bixhead Blue, which is a micaceous sandstone. Souden (1997) states, "The central altar stone also came from Southwest Wales; it is usually identified as a greenish sandstone with mica, from the Cosheston Beds of the south coast, although other possibilities have been advanced". Duff & Smith (1992, pg 188, 189) indicate that the rocks of the Forest of Dean belong to the Devonian group and the Cosheston group, outcroping in South West Wales is included in this group (Centre for Heritage, Archaeology, Stone & Masonry Structures).
Are you sure that you are correct in referring to "Stone 59" as being the Altar Stone? We would agree that the evidence can be debated as to whether the original Altar Stone, which I believe is marked as Stone 80 on the 'Ancient Monuments Branch, Ministry of Public Building and Works' plan, would have been lying or standing. In fact the Altar Stone at the Maryhill 'Stonehenge Veterans Memorial' was constructed in the lying position.
Before commenting on the description we have given for Trilithon 59 as "Parallels", we would respectfully suggest that you read our reasoned and evidenced based argument that we have given on pages 50 - 54 of our paper 'The Stonehenge Carvings'. Once you have read this you will understand that there is nothing coincidental about why this carving was on this stone. You will also read that whilst it has been termed the "Parallels" in fact that there was something more to discover on this Trilithon.
You made reference to the work of Professor Mike Parker Pearson of UCL regarding the Altar Stone; he has been advised of our findings.
myths and legends do have an element of truth in them but i think if you take every thing that is said divide it by 2 and take away 30 youll have the closest thing to the truth !
Yes. Can you share more information with me.
I have reason to believe i am a "Queen" or am somehow connected to these ant people.
I live in New Mexico and have been surrounded by a hive mind of people who have been talking to me indirectly wherever i go. I know it sounds nuts but it is my experience. I am a male but t hey always refer to me as "She" I recently had an overwhelming drive to go to Dulce but decided not to for fear of not coming back out of the surface... I had a very vivid lucid dream of a luminous white segmented being that was very small i thought was my mother and then when i looked closer i realized it was about 8 inches tall and at the very end moment before awakening it moved it's arms to look like the way Preying mantis' look. Simon parkes talks about being raised by the mantid race.
And before the Christians came, the natives were wiping each other out, some in wars that literally spanned years, and resulted in stories passed down through generations, about so many dead you couldn't walk the ground for the bodies. Of whole tribes and peoples being wiped out. HUMANS will fight and disagree and war and kill each other until kingdom come, It is the one thing that knows no race, color or creed, even if people use that as the excuse.
Discus for giant athlete.
"There were giants on the earth in those days....." Genesis 6:4
We would refer you to the picture in "Stonehenge - A History in Photographs" by Julian Richards an English Publication first published 2004 (ISBN 1-85074-895-0). On page 16 there is a photograph dated 1867 by Colonel Sir Henry Jones (NMR BB 95/50010). In it one can see that there is a feature that can be clearly seen on the outer facing surface of Trilithon 52 which predates the 1960's graffiti that many of the experts claim that this feature is attributed to.
You say I should read “the” paper, which I did, but there are two papers cited at the end of your article, and I thought, maybe mistakenly, that I could base my comment on what I read in the first.
The source of the confusion is Google’s image search returns under (altar stone stonehenge). All but the last image in the top row are NOT of the Altar Stone (Stone 80) but apparently your Stone 59. It doesn’t help that none of my three books on Stonehenge, namely: (1) English Heritage’s guide by Julian Richards, (2) Mike Parker-Pearson’s “Stonehenge” (2012) and (3) Brian John’s book on the bluestones has a photo of either the Altar Stone or Stone 59,, and indeed the Altar Stone gets scarcely a mention in any of the texts either.
The only source in that top row to show the ‘real’ Altar Stone No 80 (WITHOUT the groove, “parallels”, notch etc) is the sarsen.org site.
Thank you Joan for the corrective.
As a foot note to this article I would like to mention the Heel stone. It is assumed by the general public to be the marker for Summer Solstice Sunrise but the Sun has never risen there and still doesn't. Perhaps in several hundred years but not now and not in 3000 BCE either.
The Heel stone is sometimes reffered to as the Friar's Heel stone this is believed to have come from Freyja's He-ol or Heol stone. Freyja is Venus and He, ol and heol are Welsh words. He = to sow and ol = track. Heol = road. So the Heel stone is Venus' to sow track or Venus' road.
The first day of our calendar was Summer Solstice 3154 BCE. This was a very important day for astronomers who wanted to keep track of cycles.
Venus, as the Morning Star, rose at the Heel stone and did so every eight years on Summer Solstice. Next event 2019...........it still works.
Mr. Berry the stone which we call stone 59 is not the Altar Stone. 59 and 60 were part of a trilithon in the Horseshoe.
Most of your comment has nothing to do with our paper.
Perhaps you should read the paper before making up your mind about this.
Are you so sure these "calculations" are bunk? You can use the same linear regression model used in the leading edges of science and medicine to calculate the following.
Global population today =7+ billion
Global population in 1800 =1 billion
This equates to roughly one population doubling every 60-70 years.
Now run a regression on a 65 year half life and guess how many years you have to go back to arrive at a global population of 2?
Less than 4000
This is a far more accurate method than stupid radioisotope dating which has been debunked a million times. So believe what you want, but if you doubt this method you must likewise totally discount countless established facts of science, economics, and medicine derived by this method. I'm not religious at all but these facts are what they are. Deny if you like but the math doesn't lie. If it did youd already be dead.
On Jefferson Airplane's "Crown of Creation," Jack Casady is billed as playing "Yggdrasil bass." Indeed.
Sorry. But you’re wrong. Everything in the article can be backed up if you look at the sources, even the so-called “anomalous energies”. Have a nice day.
ALL the facts are never in. And if they were, one would never know that there was no more to be found.
Yes, there is no doubt it is interesting, but... if there was any success in transmutation (including the nuclear kind), the supply, if not access to the actual recipe, would have noticeably increased a long time ago and gold and silver would be rendered worthless (perhaps fiat is the ultimate philosopher's stone!) Given the staggering billions of man hours relating to all sorts of chemistry just in the last century, there is even less likelihood of such fantasy. I prefer to think of alchemist achievements like the realization that kaolin would transform lower quality pottery into porcelain by Augustus the Strong's prison guest! The Newton papers reflect a man who took everything around him very seriously. Had he lived another 100 years, perhaps he would have discarded many lines of thought, but that does not mean he wasted his time. Research in general is the pursuit of what ends up being many dead ends.
.. it is not (gods)money that is power but it is a tool of the powerful and only if you allow it to be so, because money is your accepted debt toward whoever’s name or seal is on that money
What you said resonates strongly. Aum
I always wondered if it were possible that the white giants were early norse settlers that came across. As I understand norse people were bigger than average because of their diet so this could have lead to them being called giants by later generations - Also wasn't a long ship found in Tennessee a few years ago? Or was that another state?
It's not clear why "Stone 59" appears in the gallery of images, without specific reference to its more common name "the Altar Stone". Nor is it clear why it is assumed that it was once upright instead of recumbent at present .Prof Mike Parker-Pearson ofUCL was less than fulsome in his 2012 book in providing such thin evidence for it having once been upright (it’s to do with "the shape of the ends" you know).
Let's not forget either that the Altar Stone has a unique geology where Stonehenge is concerned, being neither local sarsen, nor matching the smaller ‘bluestones' of Welsh origin. It's described as a green micaceous sandstone, the largest of the bluestones, but non-igneous, i.e. sedimentary, in contrast to the 'igneous Preseli (?) bluestones (spotted dolerite, rhyolite etc), and said to originate from an entirely different part of Wales (the Milford Haven area). Special geology imples special role, yes? Calendar marking? Maybe, but one needs first to do proper justice to more basic down-to-earth alternatives (e.g.the rituals associated with life and death, notably the Neolithic perceived imperatives of release of the spirit from mortal remains).
The purpose of the longitudinal scooped-out groove, clearly hand cut ? OK, so the edges can be described as “Parallels” ( a new one on me). There's a more obvious non-calandar role if it is indeed correctly described as an intentionally- recumbent altar stone. Nope, not human sacrifice as was once the fashionable theory, but still death-ritual related if viewed as the ‘picnic table’ - if you’ll pardon the expression - of a "sky burial" site, the encircling stone circle and lintels providing high perches for excarnating bird life (gulls, crows etc):
http://colinb-sciencebuzz.blogspot.co.uk/2016/05/its-time-to-get-real-ab...
Shorter summary in preparation (to be posted in the next week or so).
Gobblydegook b.s. Sorry, but I can't agree that this was well written or well researched. I grew up in the shadow Mt. Shasta and you completely missed what everyone around there already knows about the mountain.
Mt. Shasta and the surrounding volcanoes (such as Lassen), and the lava beds that extend across the entire region are the product of geological processes. Your "Creator" comments are noted for their baseless claims that defy reality and common sense.
Mt. Shasta's claim to fantasy and folklore notwithstanding (you missed the Little People legend), it's an icon and a landmark and a sacred place to indigenous peoples (just as all lands are). But there are no 'anomalous energies' there except in the minds of the deluded and in the power lines that run around the mountain.
As for the 'psychic origins' claim, those too are in your head, along with all the imaginary voices you seem to hear. Good god man, use some common sense and stop spewing such claptrap. People might think you're actually crazy.
The eye "carving" on Stone 52 referred to in this article is in fact just an area of different lichen species which appears related to where grafittit has been cleaned off in the past. See http://www.stonesofstonehenge.org.uk/search/label/Stone%20052 for a closer view.
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