April, this is a stunning research and remarkable article. Well wrttten and provides much innovative and new interesting information. Simply brilliant.
I'm somewhat surprised there's no mention of pederasty considering pederasty was so widely practiced across ancient Greece.
For the most part, sexual orientation was an abstract concept that played a small role in defining the ancient Greeks as people. Love was a human condition that individuals experienced for others regardless of that other person's age, sex, or gender. In other words, Eros was a mischievous god that was not bound by today's Jeudo-Christian accepted norms of male-female relations and age.
Cultural sensitivities aside, preserved frescos from that era reveal a dark side of ancient Greece very few researchers have discussed or exposed.
There's probably a relation with the 'Twelfth Night' there (in German it's called: Zwölf Weihnachtstage and there they count from the 25th to the 6th of January). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelfth_Night_(holiday)
Just a quick note on Garys comments. This was quite an analysis, almost a synopsis of what most thinking men and women go through as they wander through life reviewing the big questions. So well done a good post, I enjoyed reading it. I have concluded that Sitchens position on the origins of man have some credibility, but even his interpretations have their detractors, so what to do? Stick to our secular methodology, "science" as much as we can and avoid the belief, paradigms I am sure that is why Enki modified us, questions and hypotheses are our birthright. Lets keep it up and ignore as much as possible the Belief systems like religions and inherited right to power, social models.
4k4 - I had to laugh at your reply. I should hope NO-ONE was comatose, why should they miss a coma? I can understand if a COMMA is missing, but a COMA?!
Even though this article is a few years old, it is still interesting
PS. I am just taking the mickey out of you regarding the errors, I usually just ignore the mistakes people make until it is obvious they do it on purpose (which you didn't)
Cleo and antony were betrayed by that roman who defected antonys plans. Wonder strong about what her tomb could reveal about her life and maybe the battle too. Also if antony inside same tomb room. ?
Thanks God , these stones are shaped in such a way that nobody can say again that these are made by nature , as they say about that underwater monuments in yunaguni japan
Ah - fascinating - thank you Ted. I assume then that George Smith was fluent in Old Persian, or Elamite, or Babylonian. Clever chap. Still, it must have taken him rather more than a wet afternoon to figure it all out :-)
I agree with you Rani. As a woman, the womb shape is the first thing I noticed. I can't understand why others don't reference the magnitude of the significance of this shape. The miracle of birth was exactly that . A miracle. The fact that a woman's internal organs could produce a living human was probably awe-inspiring. Motherhood was well understood. At that time period, I doubt that fatherhood was understood well at all. At least until animal domestication and animal husbandry was a well establish fact. The womb as temple shape probably does seems to indicate some form of spiritual rebirth, whether it be related to seasonal/pastoral, shamanistic initiation, some sort of sacrificial rite or all of the above at specified times. It would at least be a wonderful avenue for exploration. And the theory would fit wonderfully with the concept of Cygnus as path to the afterlife and northerly aligned "seelenloch" or spirit holes.
Good article! There is one aspect that I would like to elaborate a little bit further on:
"we" celebrate Christmas on december 25th, because the Romans ordained so.
But the winter solstice actually lasts from december 21st to january 6th!
That is because, from december 21st on, the sun sets later; but it is not until january 6th that he also rises earlier.
Our "pagan" ancestors already knew that long ago; and that is why there are still places where people uphold all kinds of "Epiphany" traditions.
But -just like Christmas and Easter- those traditions were so deeply rooted, that the catholic church "christened" them, when those traditions turned out to be impossible to eradicate.
An icon looks like a "guy" - This word is "天" (sky, heaven, the high-above, refer to Oracle/Bone Character);
A circle with a cross therein and several dots around - This word is "氣" (air, or "Chi-Gong (氣功)" as you may understand in common English expression)
I have several strong memories that i have no idea if they are from past lives,
one of me in a brown dress, XIX century, in a very snowed city with red buildings i've always connected with Sweden, slipping on some iced steps and falling on my rear and a man by a horse carried sleigh laughing at me, another is my fear since child of explosions, fireworks etc and a fascination with Stalingrad i've never been able to call other thing than Stalingrad and a third of a 'me' as a child dancing at a wedding
Our paper does not speak of religion, shaman or elites. The 93 page paper, The Stonehenge Carvings, discusses the evolution of calendar keeping at Stonehenge. And that's all.
The Aubrey hole circle was a calendar counting device. I have no idea what they used the construction in the centre for. That wasn't needed for calendar keeping.
“I have not done wrong sexually, I have (not) practiced homosexuality”.
The term "homosexuality" is a very modern culture-bound concept that cannot convey an accurate translation of whatever Egyptian term was used.
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It is well established that Niankhkhnum and Khnumhotep shared the title of Overseer of the Manicurists in the Palace of King Niuserre. They were buried together in their joint royal tomb, and depicted intimately touching noses. The fact that they both had wives and children, far from discounting their intimate relationship with each other, actually clues us that, like most ancient cultures, male / male relationships were common and a non-issue as long as they fulfilled their duty to reproduce and care for their offspring.
Check out the web entries for Kenneth Arnold UFO sighting . It happened here and it is still happening. I suspect it was the model for Spielbergs Close Encouters.
From research I have done, I am thinking that some of the populations of the world spread from the central point of Atlantis. So many have so much in common and not just ordinary things, but stories, belief and language. Atlantis also had many colonies around the world.
In your reply to my post you make a number of statements for which there is no proof at all. The concept of shaman and the concept of religious elites guarding secrets to maintain a grip on the "ignorant" populace is , of course, very popular amongst academics who themselves imagine they are an elite. But there is some trueh missing from these concepts, as you will have noticed how much we, as others, communicate with each other. No practical knowledge of this at all has ever been kept secret from populations, since if there were elites then and there as you claim, they are entirely and wholly dependant for sustenance and defence etc on the population as a whole, whom historically they have always helped and guided in these ways, unless as Galileo and Copernicus they were shut up , not to preserve secrecy, but to save face.
No, a religious elite exists and guards secrets of a spiritual nature, and these shamans, guides etcetera have always existed outside of buildings and any organized religions and worship, so that even the concept of Stonehenge being a construction for the benefit of initiates, druids or shamans is ridiculous, laughable. Additionally all the holes and markers you have researched so well, and with such commitment very probably had some part in the way that Stonehenge was built. Just as builders leave measuring marks now. What I noticed years later again trying to read Le Mesuriers (clue?) book on Gizeh was how he was consistently taking mere coincidence between unrelated measurements in unrelated fields, and even dimensions of time and space, to be significant, and to have meaning, where it all really only smoke and mirrors, like poetry and philosophy and religious "doctrines" are.
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April, this is a stunning research and remarkable article. Well wrttten and provides much innovative and new interesting information. Simply brilliant.
I'm somewhat surprised there's no mention of pederasty considering pederasty was so widely practiced across ancient Greece.
For the most part, sexual orientation was an abstract concept that played a small role in defining the ancient Greeks as people. Love was a human condition that individuals experienced for others regardless of that other person's age, sex, or gender. In other words, Eros was a mischievous god that was not bound by today's Jeudo-Christian accepted norms of male-female relations and age.
Cultural sensitivities aside, preserved frescos from that era reveal a dark side of ancient Greece very few researchers have discussed or exposed.
Interesting stuff!
There's probably a relation with the 'Twelfth Night' there (in German it's called: Zwölf Weihnachtstage and there they count from the 25th to the 6th of January).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelfth_Night_(holiday)
Just a quick note on Garys comments. This was quite an analysis, almost a synopsis of what most thinking men and women go through as they wander through life reviewing the big questions. So well done a good post, I enjoyed reading it. I have concluded that Sitchens position on the origins of man have some credibility, but even his interpretations have their detractors, so what to do? Stick to our secular methodology, "science" as much as we can and avoid the belief, paradigms I am sure that is why Enki modified us, questions and hypotheses are our birthright. Lets keep it up and ignore as much as possible the Belief systems like religions and inherited right to power, social models.
Thank you Veronica! This is the uniqueness of Ancient Origins and we are very happy to have readers like you who understand and appreciate this.
4k4 - I had to laugh at your reply. I should hope NO-ONE was comatose, why should they miss a coma? I can understand if a COMMA is missing, but a COMA?!
Even though this article is a few years old, it is still interesting
PS. I am just taking the mickey out of you regarding the errors, I usually just ignore the mistakes people make until it is obvious they do it on purpose (which you didn't)
Cleo and antony were betrayed by that roman who defected antonys plans. Wonder strong about what her tomb could reveal about her life and maybe the battle too. Also if antony inside same tomb room. ?
Thanks God , these stones are shaped in such a way that nobody can say again that these are made by nature , as they say about that underwater monuments in yunaguni japan
Ah - fascinating - thank you Ted. I assume then that George Smith was fluent in Old Persian, or Elamite, or Babylonian. Clever chap. Still, it must have taken him rather more than a wet afternoon to figure it all out :-)
very nice work
I agree with you Rani. As a woman, the womb shape is the first thing I noticed. I can't understand why others don't reference the magnitude of the significance of this shape. The miracle of birth was exactly that . A miracle. The fact that a woman's internal organs could produce a living human was probably awe-inspiring. Motherhood was well understood. At that time period, I doubt that fatherhood was understood well at all. At least until animal domestication and animal husbandry was a well establish fact. The womb as temple shape probably does seems to indicate some form of spiritual rebirth, whether it be related to seasonal/pastoral, shamanistic initiation, some sort of sacrificial rite or all of the above at specified times. It would at least be a wonderful avenue for exploration. And the theory would fit wonderfully with the concept of Cygnus as path to the afterlife and northerly aligned "seelenloch" or spirit holes.
Good article! There is one aspect that I would like to elaborate a little bit further on:
"we" celebrate Christmas on december 25th, because the Romans ordained so.
But the winter solstice actually lasts from december 21st to january 6th!
That is because, from december 21st on, the sun sets later; but it is not until january 6th that he also rises earlier.
Our "pagan" ancestors already knew that long ago; and that is why there are still places where people uphold all kinds of "Epiphany" traditions.
But -just like Christmas and Easter- those traditions were so deeply rooted, that the catholic church "christened" them, when those traditions turned out to be impossible to eradicate.
(in English and Traditional Chinese)
Figure 1 in this report (the rock and the hat)
An icon looks like a "guy" - This word is "天" (sky, heaven, the high-above, refer to Oracle/Bone Character);
A circle with a cross therein and several dots around - This word is "氣" (air, or "Chi-Gong (氣功)" as you may understand in common English expression)
「天氣」
I have several strong memories that i have no idea if they are from past lives,
one of me in a brown dress, XIX century, in a very snowed city with red buildings i've always connected with Sweden, slipping on some iced steps and falling on my rear and a man by a horse carried sleigh laughing at me, another is my fear since child of explosions, fireworks etc and a fascination with Stalingrad i've never been able to call other thing than Stalingrad and a third of a 'me' as a child dancing at a wedding
Our paper does not speak of religion, shaman or elites. The 93 page paper, The Stonehenge Carvings, discusses the evolution of calendar keeping at Stonehenge. And that's all.
The Aubrey hole circle was a calendar counting device. I have no idea what they used the construction in the centre for. That wasn't needed for calendar keeping.
“I have not done wrong sexually, I have (not) practiced homosexuality”.
The term "homosexuality" is a very modern culture-bound concept that cannot convey an accurate translation of whatever Egyptian term was used.
---
It is well established that Niankhkhnum and Khnumhotep shared the title of Overseer of the Manicurists in the Palace of King Niuserre. They were buried together in their joint royal tomb, and depicted intimately touching noses. The fact that they both had wives and children, far from discounting their intimate relationship with each other, actually clues us that, like most ancient cultures, male / male relationships were common and a non-issue as long as they fulfilled their duty to reproduce and care for their offspring.
Check out the web entries for Kenneth Arnold UFO sighting . It happened here and it is still happening. I suspect it was the model for Spielbergs Close Encouters.
From research I have done, I am thinking that some of the populations of the world spread from the central point of Atlantis. So many have so much in common and not just ordinary things, but stories, belief and language. Atlantis also had many colonies around the world.
In your reply to my post you make a number of statements for which there is no proof at all. The concept of shaman and the concept of religious elites guarding secrets to maintain a grip on the "ignorant" populace is , of course, very popular amongst academics who themselves imagine they are an elite. But there is some trueh missing from these concepts, as you will have noticed how much we, as others, communicate with each other. No practical knowledge of this at all has ever been kept secret from populations, since if there were elites then and there as you claim, they are entirely and wholly dependant for sustenance and defence etc on the population as a whole, whom historically they have always helped and guided in these ways, unless as Galileo and Copernicus they were shut up , not to preserve secrecy, but to save face.
No, a religious elite exists and guards secrets of a spiritual nature, and these shamans, guides etcetera have always existed outside of buildings and any organized religions and worship, so that even the concept of Stonehenge being a construction for the benefit of initiates, druids or shamans is ridiculous, laughable. Additionally all the holes and markers you have researched so well, and with such commitment very probably had some part in the way that Stonehenge was built. Just as builders leave measuring marks now. What I noticed years later again trying to read Le Mesuriers (clue?) book on Gizeh was how he was consistently taking mere coincidence between unrelated measurements in unrelated fields, and even dimensions of time and space, to be significant, and to have meaning, where it all really only smoke and mirrors, like poetry and philosophy and religious "doctrines" are.
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