I am not a 6k creationist or a believer in "relict" dinosaurs, but that carving looks like a dinosaur to me, and I'm willing to bet it looks like a dinosaur to anyone else who doesn't walk around with the Standard Model shoved way up their.... well, you get the idea.
What "flourishes" is the author talking about? I have heard this hand-waving explanation before but have never seen anyone provide a real example of what, exactly, they are talking about. There are similar-ish objects along the outside edges of the borders of the enclosed areas that contain the various animal carvings, but that border is actually a couple of entwined serpents, and the "flourishes" along their backs look like they are actually parts of their bodies, not merely artistic decoration. They look like spinal fins, giving the impression the snakes are sea serpents.
In any case, the "plates" along the back of the "stegosaurus" carving look nothing like the "fins" along the backs of the serpents.
Another thing that casts eyebrow-raising doubt on the contention that the "plates" are merely "artistic flourishes" is the total lack of any such accoutrements around any of the animal carvings above and below the erstwhile stego.
Similarly, the lack of tail spikes is easily explained by the simple fact that the end of the tail is not in the picture. Again, this is immediately obvious to anyone not desperate for a reason to say the carving isn't what it appears to be.
There are no tusks. It isn't a boar.
The overall body shape is completely wrong for it to be a hippo.
As for the shape of the head, the conventional depiction of the stegosaurus head is a guesstimate based on the shape of its skull. But the skull bones do not usually give a good idea of what the head of a living animal looks like. Compare a horse skull to the head of a living horse, for example. An even better example is a male lion. Cat skulls look weird already, and there is no way to know the animal would have a huge distinctive mane, or how the ears and nose would be shaped, the whiskers, the cheshire smile shape of the feline mouth, just from looking at the skull. So the argument "Well that doesn't look like a saran-wrapped stegosaurus skull so it can't be a stegosaurus" is not really valid.
I prefer articles that give all sides of an argument. This article sort of pretends to do that, but it presents the pro-stego argument as simply being "cuz it looks like one" and then undermines even that by implying it only looks like that to people who really really want it to be a dinosaur since it fits their prejudices. It then proceeds to deliver a list of standard debunkery straight from the websites of professional skeptics, but fails to enumerate any of the counters to said shillery, giving the impression of a Q.E.D. when nothing could be further from the truth.
If I want the Standard Model or the skerpderping of its paid shills, there are innumerable websites parroting those points of view I can go to. I come to AO for different perspectives, or at the very least for some debunking of debunkery, and I shouldn't have to provide the content myself in the comment section, lol.
While it is well documented that the Vikings did engage in trade with the Islamic World (such as spices and slaves), I think it is a little farfetched to claim that they adopted significant aspects of Islamic culture and ideas.
First, the burial shroud lacks the ‘shadda’, ‘daggar alif’, and ‘ha’ strokes that you find in the word Allah. I think that this researcher may be misinterpreting her findings. Have you heard of a Rorschach test? This is the same thing in that people see different things depending on their perception.
Second, even if we accept this artifact at face value, it seems rather out of place. Are there any other artifacts that suggest contact with the Islamic World within its vicinity? How about within the same historical period? Can the cultural influence of Islam be demonstrated in other historical records such as Viking texts? When doing excavation, archaeologists usually try to place an artifact in a given time period and want to understand the historical context of an artifact. Why might there be a burial costume with an inscription of Allah on it? If the Vikings really did adopt Islamic religious and cultural beliefs, when was this and why did it happen? It is not good archaeology if we divorce an artifact from its historical context.
Also, if this really is an innovative finding, why has it not been addressed by scholars and expert in the study of Vikings? Surely this finding, if it is true would not be kept secret from the scholars and from the public? I recommend that you look at archaeologists such as Jason Colavito, Kenneth Feder. These are some great professional archaeologists that you should look into reading.
I think that there is actually a political motivation behind this, Dr. Larsson and her fellow researchers may want to make Europe seem like a more culturally diverse place. This stand is far different in comparison with how White Nationalists really love the Vikings. While this may be an honorable goal, it doesn’t justify bad archaeology.
Overall, I’m not convinced that this burial costume displays the word Allah; and I don’t think that there is any evidence that Islam had a profound impact on the cultural beliefs of the Vikings.
I hope that you continue finding new information and be sure to think with a critical eye.
After reading this article, I don’t think that it really presents any truly revolutionary ideas in archaeology and history. Also, I don’t think that there is any real evidence that supports the idea that the Ancient Chinese made contact with the Ancient Maya. Here are some reasons why:
The primary evidence cited in this article for contact between the Chinese and the Maya seems to be focused on similarities between the calendar systems. For example, both the Chinese and Maya calendars include depictions of animals and the four elements (Chinese civilization includes wood). Even though one could argue that this demonstrates contact, it could also just be coincidence. Both the Chinese and Mayan civilization were both sophisticated and skilled at astronomy and calendar formation. They also both used logograms, however, if there really was contact between the two civilizations we would likely see the writing systems look similar to each other which doesn’t seem to be the case. The logograms of China don’t share great resemblance to the hieroglyphics of the Maya.
In order to really demonstrate that there was contact you will need to provide evidence such as DNA analysis. We know that during the Last Ice Age, there was a land bridge on the present-day Bering Strait. It was here that people came from Northeastern Asia and crossed into the Americas. This is demonstrated by evidence from DNA, artifacts, and the morphology of the early peoples in the Americas.
Further, if there really was any contact between the two civilizations we would likely see other artifacts that demonstrated they encountered each other. Context is key to archaeology and encounters with other cultures usually require several varieties of artifacts to be present at a site. Are there any Chinese tools in Mexico from the Ancient Chinese? Is there any maize or beans from the Maya in China? Are there similarities in architecture that demonstrate any groups influence on the other? Again, I don’t see enough artifacts that belong to the Ancient Chinese or the Ancient Maya that indicate any sort of contact.
I took a look at David H. Kelley’s bibliography and he is a well-respected archaeologist and epigrapher specializing in the Maya Civilization. However, I don’t find any evidence that suggests that he believes the Ancient Maya and the Ancient Chinese made contact with each other. If there really was contact between the two civilizations, wouldn’t most archaeologists know this? How could this be unknown to several different specialists? I recommend you look at some articles from Jason Colavito, Michael Coe, Kenneth Feder. These are some great professional archaeologists that you should look into reading.
I hope that you continue finding new information and be sure to think with a critical eye.
Gardens such as this are a common scene in Cornwall, usually associated with the manors of Lords. Trerice, Tehidy, Pendarves, all were manors with big gardens,
I found this a very interesting article. But it omitted the most common piece of knowledge concerning this Norse god. That being Tuesday is named for the good Tyr.
Only after the advent of Christianity were the planets termed Gods. To the ancients they were rulers. Tyr is todays Mars the ruler of war. Mars is not the ruler of justice or law. Tyr was not worshipped by the ancient Germanic people but was revered as the ruler of war. Worshipped is also one of those words introduced by the advent of Christianity in an attempt to show the pagan the error of his ways.Tyr had no more importance that any of the other rulers contrary to Wu’s article. The Germanic people were not warlike more than any other nation. Tyr was not superceeded by Thor or Odin. i could go on and on but that is not what I want to do. I do like Wu’s subject matter but he sure does make mistakes in his interpretation.
The reason he went for a subterranean tunnel was very likely to protect the water supply from being cut in case of a siege.
During Polycrates' rule, the Spartans besieged the city of Samos and failed - they would have succeeded easily if they could have cut off the city's water supply.
"This puzzles me - it seems there would be a match between the two numbers."
1-4% is the range any individual person carries; specific DNA fragments are different between people. 20% of the total Neandertal genome is what you get when you add up all the distinct fragments carried variously by different people.
“Sadly, intelligence is one such attribute - we become less and less intelligent with every passing generation. . . ”
I disagree on this one point – I don’t believe humans’ “Intelligence” is deteriorating naturally. I believe our lack of respect for “education” is more at fault. No one seems (to me) to care any more how good/bad/indifferent an education their children get, believing, wrongly, I believe, that there will always be “a call for ‘manual’ labor”.
Oh, yes, almost forgot: define OOPARTS, PLEASE.
And, I, too, disagree with Darwin on the subject of the humans’ “superiority”.
It makes more sense to start the year in Springtime than in the dead of winter. Starting the year as all the earth starts to bloom. Can we go back to that?
Only 5 planets can be seen with the naked eye. If you include the sun and moon, which in ancient times may have been considered planets: 7 planets. So my question is (Nirubu or no), where are the other 5 planets that the ancient Sumerians believed they saw?
There are only 9 planets that science accepted as the number of planets in our solar system. Pluto was down graded: 8 planets. Then in 2005, Eris was discovered: back up to 9 planets. Some scientists are also starting to hypothesize about this planet that only comes close to us every 1000 years or so, they are calling planet X, which NASA nicknamed Planet 9...so again, where are the 12 planets coming from?
Given the small size of the chamber at the end of the corridor consider the possibility that the edifices were never tombs, they are symbolic wombs, And the corridor is as long as it is because it is a metaphor for the distance the sun's light has to travel through time to create the "life" of the new year.
Hypothetically when the sun enters the passage and impregnates the earth the priest/priestess may have been inside the womb area and when the sun reached it, exits the chamber to greet the crowds as the embodiment of the new year.
They have a similar birth of the new year ceremony in Nordic countries where a young girl enters a hall wearing a crown of lit candles followed by a group of young boys. Same thinking, or not:)
The above comments are utterly absurd and only succeed in revealing their narrow minded ignorance. Not all giant claims have been "debunk". Far from it. I regularly see these pompous comments and claims wherever I come across anything concerning giants, yet nothing to back their claims up with. Simply their haughty "debunked" declaration, because... When in reality they are just regurgitating what others have claimed and perpetuated in the same exact manor. It's like a feed back loop in an echo chamber of idiocy. Especially because it's quite simple to research the subject on the internet and come up with substantiating evidence that giants have in deed existed. But, do they even bother to put 5mins into it? I doubt it.
I also want to mention that my maternal grandfathers Welsh-Norman side of the family who are predominately RH- have had problems with mental health. There has been at least one person in every generation that has had mental health issues. Schizophrenia is the biggest issue marked by mono-thematic and poly-thematic symptoms and also symptoms of extreme paranoia and irrational thought processes. My great grandmother, my great uncle, my mother and both of my aunts (one is A-) have had issues with the disorder. My sister (O+) is poly-thematic with obvious recessive RH-. My niece who is also A- has delusions and shows signs of Schizophrenia. I have not had these issues although I am slightly Autistic and I have had social and inter-personal anxiety issues since I can remember.
I also am very psychic. I know when I am being lied to instantly by a strange taste that I get in my mouth. Con artists do not stand a chance with me. I have dreams that come to fruition and de ja vu all the time. I also am a bit of a loner. I have deep thoughts about many things that others think strange. I have always felt like I do not "belong" with most groups of people. I am an outsider and I am fine with that. I do not follow anyone. Those who think this of me are often surprised when I am strong minded becoming downright stubborn and not as "kind" as I have shown. I am redheaded with blue-grey-green eyes that change color constantly. I also have lots of freckles. My toes are webbed as are my fingers slightly. My skin is a cool toned pink with blue undertones as well. I do believe there was an Atlantis and that it was on the Mid Atlantic Ridge. I believe these people were advanced and very psychic. Perhaps they were part fish or salamander in the evolutionary process. I am not sure about the alien thing. I believe some left by ship to Ireland, Wales, Spain and Barbary and we are their progeny.
I am RH negative (A-) and both my parents were RH Positive. Mom A+ and Dad O+. My Paternal Grandfather was A- as well. He was Scottish(Cook), Anglo-Norman (Batchelor) and Chilean/Argentine. His Chilean/Argentine mix was Basque (Uriburu) and Andalusian (Guzman-Origins are Berber). My paternal Grandmother was half Northwest Native American, Anglo-Saxon and French. She is a St. Clair from the French side per our Family tree from the Roman Catholic Church. Her blood type was O+. My maternal side also has RH- from my Welsh-Norman grandfather. He was A- . My maternal grandmother was Swiss, Dutch, Frisan and Anglo-Saxon. Her blood type was A+
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I am not a 6k creationist or a believer in "relict" dinosaurs, but that carving looks like a dinosaur to me, and I'm willing to bet it looks like a dinosaur to anyone else who doesn't walk around with the Standard Model shoved way up their.... well, you get the idea.
What "flourishes" is the author talking about? I have heard this hand-waving explanation before but have never seen anyone provide a real example of what, exactly, they are talking about. There are similar-ish objects along the outside edges of the borders of the enclosed areas that contain the various animal carvings, but that border is actually a couple of entwined serpents, and the "flourishes" along their backs look like they are actually parts of their bodies, not merely artistic decoration. They look like spinal fins, giving the impression the snakes are sea serpents.
In any case, the "plates" along the back of the "stegosaurus" carving look nothing like the "fins" along the backs of the serpents.
Another thing that casts eyebrow-raising doubt on the contention that the "plates" are merely "artistic flourishes" is the total lack of any such accoutrements around any of the animal carvings above and below the erstwhile stego.
Similarly, the lack of tail spikes is easily explained by the simple fact that the end of the tail is not in the picture. Again, this is immediately obvious to anyone not desperate for a reason to say the carving isn't what it appears to be.
There are no tusks. It isn't a boar.
The overall body shape is completely wrong for it to be a hippo.
As for the shape of the head, the conventional depiction of the stegosaurus head is a guesstimate based on the shape of its skull. But the skull bones do not usually give a good idea of what the head of a living animal looks like. Compare a horse skull to the head of a living horse, for example. An even better example is a male lion. Cat skulls look weird already, and there is no way to know the animal would have a huge distinctive mane, or how the ears and nose would be shaped, the whiskers, the cheshire smile shape of the feline mouth, just from looking at the skull. So the argument "Well that doesn't look like a saran-wrapped stegosaurus skull so it can't be a stegosaurus" is not really valid.
I prefer articles that give all sides of an argument. This article sort of pretends to do that, but it presents the pro-stego argument as simply being "cuz it looks like one" and then undermines even that by implying it only looks like that to people who really really want it to be a dinosaur since it fits their prejudices. It then proceeds to deliver a list of standard debunkery straight from the websites of professional skeptics, but fails to enumerate any of the counters to said shillery, giving the impression of a Q.E.D. when nothing could be further from the truth.
If I want the Standard Model or the skerpderping of its paid shills, there are innumerable websites parroting those points of view I can go to. I come to AO for different perspectives, or at the very least for some debunking of debunkery, and I shouldn't have to provide the content myself in the comment section, lol.
You two should look at the Ica Stones. Those are even more perfect and far more likely to be authentic, and there are tens of thousands of them.
While it is well documented that the Vikings did engage in trade with the Islamic World (such as spices and slaves), I think it is a little farfetched to claim that they adopted significant aspects of Islamic culture and ideas.
First, the burial shroud lacks the ‘shadda’, ‘daggar alif’, and ‘ha’ strokes that you find in the word Allah. I think that this researcher may be misinterpreting her findings. Have you heard of a Rorschach test? This is the same thing in that people see different things depending on their perception.
Second, even if we accept this artifact at face value, it seems rather out of place. Are there any other artifacts that suggest contact with the Islamic World within its vicinity? How about within the same historical period? Can the cultural influence of Islam be demonstrated in other historical records such as Viking texts? When doing excavation, archaeologists usually try to place an artifact in a given time period and want to understand the historical context of an artifact. Why might there be a burial costume with an inscription of Allah on it? If the Vikings really did adopt Islamic religious and cultural beliefs, when was this and why did it happen? It is not good archaeology if we divorce an artifact from its historical context.
Also, if this really is an innovative finding, why has it not been addressed by scholars and expert in the study of Vikings? Surely this finding, if it is true would not be kept secret from the scholars and from the public? I recommend that you look at archaeologists such as Jason Colavito, Kenneth Feder. These are some great professional archaeologists that you should look into reading.
I think that there is actually a political motivation behind this, Dr. Larsson and her fellow researchers may want to make Europe seem like a more culturally diverse place. This stand is far different in comparison with how White Nationalists really love the Vikings. While this may be an honorable goal, it doesn’t justify bad archaeology.
Overall, I’m not convinced that this burial costume displays the word Allah; and I don’t think that there is any evidence that Islam had a profound impact on the cultural beliefs of the Vikings.
I hope that you continue finding new information and be sure to think with a critical eye.
After reading this article, I don’t think that it really presents any truly revolutionary ideas in archaeology and history. Also, I don’t think that there is any real evidence that supports the idea that the Ancient Chinese made contact with the Ancient Maya. Here are some reasons why:
The primary evidence cited in this article for contact between the Chinese and the Maya seems to be focused on similarities between the calendar systems. For example, both the Chinese and Maya calendars include depictions of animals and the four elements (Chinese civilization includes wood). Even though one could argue that this demonstrates contact, it could also just be coincidence. Both the Chinese and Mayan civilization were both sophisticated and skilled at astronomy and calendar formation. They also both used logograms, however, if there really was contact between the two civilizations we would likely see the writing systems look similar to each other which doesn’t seem to be the case. The logograms of China don’t share great resemblance to the hieroglyphics of the Maya.
In order to really demonstrate that there was contact you will need to provide evidence such as DNA analysis. We know that during the Last Ice Age, there was a land bridge on the present-day Bering Strait. It was here that people came from Northeastern Asia and crossed into the Americas. This is demonstrated by evidence from DNA, artifacts, and the morphology of the early peoples in the Americas.
Further, if there really was any contact between the two civilizations we would likely see other artifacts that demonstrated they encountered each other. Context is key to archaeology and encounters with other cultures usually require several varieties of artifacts to be present at a site. Are there any Chinese tools in Mexico from the Ancient Chinese? Is there any maize or beans from the Maya in China? Are there similarities in architecture that demonstrate any groups influence on the other? Again, I don’t see enough artifacts that belong to the Ancient Chinese or the Ancient Maya that indicate any sort of contact.
I took a look at David H. Kelley’s bibliography and he is a well-respected archaeologist and epigrapher specializing in the Maya Civilization. However, I don’t find any evidence that suggests that he believes the Ancient Maya and the Ancient Chinese made contact with each other. If there really was contact between the two civilizations, wouldn’t most archaeologists know this? How could this be unknown to several different specialists? I recommend you look at some articles from Jason Colavito, Michael Coe, Kenneth Feder. These are some great professional archaeologists that you should look into reading.
I hope that you continue finding new information and be sure to think with a critical eye.
Gardens such as this are a common scene in Cornwall, usually associated with the manors of Lords. Trerice, Tehidy, Pendarves, all were manors with big gardens,
I agree. My first thought was sound dampening to reduce echo's. Lighting the caves was probably done with mirrors.
I found this a very interesting article. But it omitted the most common piece of knowledge concerning this Norse god. That being Tuesday is named for the good Tyr.
Only after the advent of Christianity were the planets termed Gods. To the ancients they were rulers. Tyr is todays Mars the ruler of war. Mars is not the ruler of justice or law. Tyr was not worshipped by the ancient Germanic people but was revered as the ruler of war. Worshipped is also one of those words introduced by the advent of Christianity in an attempt to show the pagan the error of his ways.Tyr had no more importance that any of the other rulers contrary to Wu’s article. The Germanic people were not warlike more than any other nation. Tyr was not superceeded by Thor or Odin. i could go on and on but that is not what I want to do. I do like Wu’s subject matter but he sure does make mistakes in his interpretation.
Is this Britain or Australian I'm confused
The reason he went for a subterranean tunnel was very likely to protect the water supply from being cut in case of a siege.
During Polycrates' rule, the Spartans besieged the city of Samos and failed - they would have succeeded easily if they could have cut off the city's water supply.
"This puzzles me - it seems there would be a match between the two numbers."
1-4% is the range any individual person carries; specific DNA fragments are different between people. 20% of the total Neandertal genome is what you get when you add up all the distinct fragments carried variously by different people.
So has anyone been to the location marked on the map? Did they find anything?
“Sadly, intelligence is one such attribute - we become less and less intelligent with every passing generation. . . ”
I disagree on this one point – I don’t believe humans’ “Intelligence” is deteriorating naturally. I believe our lack of respect for “education” is more at fault. No one seems (to me) to care any more how good/bad/indifferent an education their children get, believing, wrongly, I believe, that there will always be “a call for ‘manual’ labor”.
Oh, yes, almost forgot: define OOPARTS, PLEASE.
And, I, too, disagree with Darwin on the subject of the humans’ “superiority”.
It makes more sense to start the year in Springtime than in the dead of winter. Starting the year as all the earth starts to bloom. Can we go back to that?
"you're" I hope you're not seriously trying to dog someone else with those poor language skills
Only 5 planets can be seen with the naked eye. If you include the sun and moon, which in ancient times may have been considered planets: 7 planets. So my question is (Nirubu or no), where are the other 5 planets that the ancient Sumerians believed they saw?
There are only 9 planets that science accepted as the number of planets in our solar system. Pluto was down graded: 8 planets. Then in 2005, Eris was discovered: back up to 9 planets. Some scientists are also starting to hypothesize about this planet that only comes close to us every 1000 years or so, they are calling planet X, which NASA nicknamed Planet 9...so again, where are the 12 planets coming from?
Given the small size of the chamber at the end of the corridor consider the possibility that the edifices were never tombs, they are symbolic wombs, And the corridor is as long as it is because it is a metaphor for the distance the sun's light has to travel through time to create the "life" of the new year.
Hypothetically when the sun enters the passage and impregnates the earth the priest/priestess may have been inside the womb area and when the sun reached it, exits the chamber to greet the crowds as the embodiment of the new year.
They have a similar birth of the new year ceremony in Nordic countries where a young girl enters a hall wearing a crown of lit candles followed by a group of young boys. Same thinking, or not:)
The above comments are utterly absurd and only succeed in revealing their narrow minded ignorance. Not all giant claims have been "debunk". Far from it. I regularly see these pompous comments and claims wherever I come across anything concerning giants, yet nothing to back their claims up with. Simply their haughty "debunked" declaration, because... When in reality they are just regurgitating what others have claimed and perpetuated in the same exact manor. It's like a feed back loop in an echo chamber of idiocy. Especially because it's quite simple to research the subject on the internet and come up with substantiating evidence that giants have in deed existed. But, do they even bother to put 5mins into it? I doubt it.
I also want to mention that my maternal grandfathers Welsh-Norman side of the family who are predominately RH- have had problems with mental health. There has been at least one person in every generation that has had mental health issues. Schizophrenia is the biggest issue marked by mono-thematic and poly-thematic symptoms and also symptoms of extreme paranoia and irrational thought processes. My great grandmother, my great uncle, my mother and both of my aunts (one is A-) have had issues with the disorder. My sister (O+) is poly-thematic with obvious recessive RH-. My niece who is also A- has delusions and shows signs of Schizophrenia. I have not had these issues although I am slightly Autistic and I have had social and inter-personal anxiety issues since I can remember.
I also am very psychic. I know when I am being lied to instantly by a strange taste that I get in my mouth. Con artists do not stand a chance with me. I have dreams that come to fruition and de ja vu all the time. I also am a bit of a loner. I have deep thoughts about many things that others think strange. I have always felt like I do not "belong" with most groups of people. I am an outsider and I am fine with that. I do not follow anyone. Those who think this of me are often surprised when I am strong minded becoming downright stubborn and not as "kind" as I have shown. I am redheaded with blue-grey-green eyes that change color constantly. I also have lots of freckles. My toes are webbed as are my fingers slightly. My skin is a cool toned pink with blue undertones as well. I do believe there was an Atlantis and that it was on the Mid Atlantic Ridge. I believe these people were advanced and very psychic. Perhaps they were part fish or salamander in the evolutionary process. I am not sure about the alien thing. I believe some left by ship to Ireland, Wales, Spain and Barbary and we are their progeny.
I am RH negative (A-) and both my parents were RH Positive. Mom A+ and Dad O+. My Paternal Grandfather was A- as well. He was Scottish(Cook), Anglo-Norman (Batchelor) and Chilean/Argentine. His Chilean/Argentine mix was Basque (Uriburu) and Andalusian (Guzman-Origins are Berber). My paternal Grandmother was half Northwest Native American, Anglo-Saxon and French. She is a St. Clair from the French side per our Family tree from the Roman Catholic Church. Her blood type was O+. My maternal side also has RH- from my Welsh-Norman grandfather. He was A- . My maternal grandmother was Swiss, Dutch, Frisan and Anglo-Saxon. Her blood type was A+
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