So... help my poor, poor, much-lacking imagination here. ;-)
I've yet to get anyone here who objects to this observation to simply give this a try. (Yes, I have tried this.):
Find a cloth you can feel free to mark up--it will need to be wide. Lay it over your face, or the face of someone else. Now mark where the eyes, nose, hairline, jawline are while draped over a face. Then lay it flat. It will look absurdly and comically wide.
Obviously--as anyone will see who has the argumentative courtesy to take the 2 minutes it might take to try that--a direct contact (say chemically or heat or any sort of radiation (known or unknown) would not make a proportional image when the cloth is laid flat.
So, What mystic rays or whatever, can one imagine emanating from all topological points on a 3D head that wander off, taking an exponentially precise, specific, paths to create an image on that draped cloth that winds up looking in proportion when laid flat?
I'm not a skeptic arguing that mystical things don't happen. I'm just pointing out a major overlooked problem with THIS cloth that's really an immediate deal-killer.
The book presents a proposed explanation of a chemical reaction. It does not, as you keep claiming, explain why a draped cloth, when afterwards laid flat, would not look comically wide and distorted. Volkringer was talking about flat leaves. Person's faces are not flat.
"In 1942, Dr. Jean Volkringer, a pharmacist at St. Joseph’s Hospital in Paris, discovered that when certain plants arc pressed between the pages of a book, a highly detailed negative image appears on adjacent pages."
I think people get excited about solving the mystery of the process of image-making and blow past the most basic simple problem.
Of course. That's a side comment on the paint and my opinion. Thank you for pointing that out.
When I look at it, it is clearly a painting. Yes, that is my opinion. My opinion is also that it is not even a very realistic painting.
I think everyone knows that there is currently no paint on the cloth. The fibers are stained as though there was once paint that was either intentionally removed through washing or unintentionally through age and handling. It is not correct to say that traces of paint have not been found, but that could be some contamination.
But again... a side discussion. No matter what, it was made while the cloth was flat. That alone rules out its authenticity.
unfortunately correct and incorrect. The greys are but a sub group of beings involved with the chitauri/retilans, which would be the pure bloodline of this genome found in these ancient man(if it is truly so). well according to the Sangoma/shaman Credo Mutwa. Sangoma's hold the history of their people from beginning until time will end (or something unfortunate happens). As you may well know, they have influenced our stories of life its self(in all aspects) including stories of heavenly beings battling the creator of existence and falling to Tiamat/ Earth and deceiving man(of course not in the metaphoric role the bible portrays). Its quiet an interesting tail of how the earth is the way it is today. If you so choose, search the video "The reptilian Agenda-Zulu Shaman Credo Mutwa." its about 6 hours long(I believe its well worth it).Or choose not to, completely up to you. Just thought I'd suggest.
One last remark: what's not mentioned in this article was that St. Nicolaas was a.o. patron saint of seafarers and (coastal) port-towns (among them Amsterdam). So that's the link between St. Nicolaas as protector of the good kids and the Moor pirates as the enslaving boogie men.
Part of the Dutch 'Sinterklaas'-story is that the boogie man - the Moor - 'Zwarte Piet' takes bad children with him on a boat back to Spain where he lives throughout the year. (Spain in Middle Ages was occupied by the Moors.)
Good children are saved by Sinterklaas and can go back to their family
So in fact this is a myth of good/light vs. bad/dark as well linked to the historical 'trauma' of the Barbary pirates and their enslavement raids.
This subject seems to captivate many readers. If you are intersted I have put together a small website containing the summarised articles explaining many of these points and ideas. The references ealier are no longer available so you may also read them at the following website thenewperspective21.wix.com/anewworld
Any feed back is always welcome, appreciated and respected.
Greetings, I have managed to put together a small website containing a few summarised articles explaining the details contained in this post. If you are interested please visit; http://thenewperspective21.wix.com/anewworld
The Dutch/Belgian/Luxembourg Zwarte Piet (Black Pete) as well as the English 'Morris Dancers' who paint their faces black as well could also have been (partly) inspired by the whole so called phenomenon of the 'Barbary Pirates' and 'Barbary Slavery'. Moor pirates from West and North Africa who sailed in the Mediterranean Sea and the Atlantic Ocean and who went as far as Iceland and the US, who attacked coastal villages and took a.o. 'white' slaves with them. This was a thing that went on from the Middle Ages up to the mid 19th century! The latter exactly the time when Zwarte Piet was introduced. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_pirates https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_slave_trade
Allen121212, with all due respect, you’re making claims that you cannot possibly support, which invalidates the rest of your argument against the shroud! The fact you say ‘it’s clearly a painting’ is a thumbsuck, like much of the rest of your conjecture around the forming of the image of the shroud. The shroud has been tested – there is no ‘paint’! See below for other comments – you will know that the shroud is well known within Scottish Rite freemasonry as well which lends itself to the post I made yesterday.
I cannot (and do not have the time) to reproduce a Volckringer pattern from a live body and wait for the image to appear over a 50 year period as Lomas/Knight’s research has shown. If you havwe the book on your shelf, go through how the problem of draping is covered.
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So... help my poor, poor, much-lacking imagination here. ;-)
I've yet to get anyone here who objects to this observation to simply give this a try. (Yes, I have tried this.):
Find a cloth you can feel free to mark up--it will need to be wide. Lay it over your face, or the face of someone else. Now mark where the eyes, nose, hairline, jawline are while draped over a face. Then lay it flat. It will look absurdly and comically wide.
Obviously--as anyone will see who has the argumentative courtesy to take the 2 minutes it might take to try that--a direct contact (say chemically or heat or any sort of radiation (known or unknown) would not make a proportional image when the cloth is laid flat.
So, What mystic rays or whatever, can one imagine emanating from all topological points on a 3D head that wander off, taking an exponentially precise, specific, paths to create an image on that draped cloth that winds up looking in proportion when laid flat?
I'm not a skeptic arguing that mystical things don't happen. I'm just pointing out a major overlooked problem with THIS cloth that's really an immediate deal-killer.
Best wishes!
@Allen
Really? Even mystical or magical means would require the cloth to be flat? How’s that?
I do believe that you, sir, are suffering from a severe lack of imagination.
*looks up the definition of "crass"*
Hmmm...crass, adjective: without refinement, delicacy, or sensitivity; gross; obtuse; stupid.
I'd say it's innate. So it’s good thing for my wife and kids that I don't have a wife and kids.
Cheers!
P.S. education wha?
At this point I think it is clear our President does not possess any balls at all, African or otherwise.
The book presents a proposed explanation of a chemical reaction. It does not, as you keep claiming, explain why a draped cloth, when afterwards laid flat, would not look comically wide and distorted. Volkringer was talking about flat leaves. Person's faces are not flat.
"In 1942, Dr. Jean Volkringer, a pharmacist at St. Joseph’s Hospital in Paris, discovered that when certain plants arc pressed between the pages of a book, a highly detailed negative image appears on adjacent pages."
I think people get excited about solving the mystery of the process of image-making and blow past the most basic simple problem.
Of course. That's a side comment on the paint and my opinion. Thank you for pointing that out.
When I look at it, it is clearly a painting. Yes, that is my opinion. My opinion is also that it is not even a very realistic painting.
I think everyone knows that there is currently no paint on the cloth. The fibers are stained as though there was once paint that was either intentionally removed through washing or unintentionally through age and handling. It is not correct to say that traces of paint have not been found, but that could be some contamination.
But again... a side discussion. No matter what, it was made while the cloth was flat. That alone rules out its authenticity.
This character reminds me of the Greek version of Joseph from the Bible, who was known in Corinth as Sisyphus (famous cheater of Death). please compare to my article on the subject at; https://www.academia.edu/3894949/Sisyphus_the_Joseph_of_Greek_Myth
Hi Steve. No there is not an app for Kindle Fire yet. However since there is for Android, maybe the app works for Kindle Fire too??
The horn was original non-premineralized biomaterial.
That makes your whole statement moot.
unfortunately correct and incorrect. The greys are but a sub group of beings involved with the chitauri/retilans, which would be the pure bloodline of this genome found in these ancient man(if it is truly so). well according to the Sangoma/shaman Credo Mutwa. Sangoma's hold the history of their people from beginning until time will end (or something unfortunate happens). As you may well know, they have influenced our stories of life its self(in all aspects) including stories of heavenly beings battling the creator of existence and falling to Tiamat/ Earth and deceiving man(of course not in the metaphoric role the bible portrays). Its quiet an interesting tail of how the earth is the way it is today. If you so choose, search the video "The reptilian Agenda-Zulu Shaman Credo Mutwa." its about 6 hours long(I believe its well worth it).Or choose not to, completely up to you. Just thought I'd suggest.
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One last remark: what's not mentioned in this article was that St. Nicolaas was a.o. patron saint of seafarers and (coastal) port-towns (among them Amsterdam). So that's the link between St. Nicolaas as protector of the good kids and the Moor pirates as the enslaving boogie men.
Part of the Dutch 'Sinterklaas'-story is that the boogie man - the Moor - 'Zwarte Piet' takes bad children with him on a boat back to Spain where he lives throughout the year. (Spain in Middle Ages was occupied by the Moors.)
Good children are saved by Sinterklaas and can go back to their family
So in fact this is a myth of good/light vs. bad/dark as well linked to the historical 'trauma' of the Barbary pirates and their enslavement raids.
Greetings all,
This subject seems to captivate many readers. If you are intersted I have put together a small website containing the summarised articles explaining many of these points and ideas. The references ealier are no longer available so you may also read them at the following website thenewperspective21.wix.com/anewworld
Any feed back is always welcome, appreciated and respected.
With kind regards Barry
Greetings, I have managed to put together a small website containing a few summarised articles explaining the details contained in this post. If you are interested please visit; http://thenewperspective21.wix.com/anewworld
Kind regards Barry
Is there an ap for/does this work with the new kindle fire 7?
Trading black pete for Belsnickel and Ruprecht has my blessing.
Atleast they fit the stereotypical crying from small parties in the Netherlands about black pete and racism hokum.
The Dutch/Belgian/Luxembourg Zwarte Piet (Black Pete) as well as the English 'Morris Dancers' who paint their faces black as well could also have been (partly) inspired by the whole so called phenomenon of the 'Barbary Pirates' and 'Barbary Slavery'. Moor pirates from West and North Africa who sailed in the Mediterranean Sea and the Atlantic Ocean and who went as far as Iceland and the US, who attacked coastal villages and took a.o. 'white' slaves with them. This was a thing that went on from the Middle Ages up to the mid 19th century! The latter exactly the time when Zwarte Piet was introduced.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_pirates
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_slave_trade
Allen121212, with all due respect, you’re making claims that you cannot possibly support, which invalidates the rest of your argument against the shroud! The fact you say ‘it’s clearly a painting’ is a thumbsuck, like much of the rest of your conjecture around the forming of the image of the shroud. The shroud has been tested – there is no ‘paint’! See below for other comments – you will know that the shroud is well known within Scottish Rite freemasonry as well which lends itself to the post I made yesterday.
I cannot (and do not have the time) to reproduce a Volckringer pattern from a live body and wait for the image to appear over a 50 year period as Lomas/Knight’s research has shown. If you havwe the book on your shelf, go through how the problem of draping is covered.
19 Laying up in store for themselves a good foundation against the time to come, that they may lay hold on eternal life.
20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
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