It never ceases to amaze me that people, especially well-educated professionals, see but at the same time "don't see". By this I mean that they fail to perceive the truth behind objective reality they are examining.
Angkor, the vast ancient capital city of Cambodia is far older than current mainline science considers it to be. It is at least as old as the Ice Age if not very very much older. In fact, this site is very much larger in area than originally believed which leads to the possibility of an age in the millions of years.
We can say this because we have discovered the orbit of an ancient celestial object, either a moon or massive debris field. Such a discovery makes it possible to come to this conclusion. In fact, using the projection of this orbit on the globe and adjusting for plate tectonic movement of the continents we have been able to date a number of archaeological sites to many millions years of age.
The orbit we have discovered travels around the globe over Angkor to Khjurharo in India, to Mecca in Arabia, to North Africa, to North America and then southwest over the Pacific to Tahiti where it turns toward Angkor.
Since numerous ancient archaeological sites are found under this orbit it becomes obvious that the ancients built various temples and monuments under it. Such constructions would aid in the development of a calendar.
We discuss this orbit and our dating methods together with other things on our black2tell blog site. Mr. Black
"Jeffrey T. Laitman, co-author and Professor at the Icahn School of Medicine and director of the Center for Anatomy and Functional Morphology states...."The strength of this new research lies in its taking the totality of the Neanderthal nasal complex into account, rather than looking at a single feature. By looking at the complete morphological pattern, we can conclude that Neanderthals are our close relatives, but they are not us,"...."
Perhaps. Or perhaps "research" conducted by using one's eyes to view the obvious Neaderthal skull of either Smenkare or Akhenaton (both Wikipedia articles on them have same skull photo) leads to exactly the opposite conclusion. We are "them" and "they" are us. Mixed over a million years of interaction. Is it that hard to grasp when science proves we still have 2-4% average Neanderthal DNA? Who is Laitman kidding?
The written ancient records that the Mittani Indo-Aryans of today's Anatolia/Kurdistan area sent their daughters to marry these KHeperu kings of Egypt, in fact, Amenhotep III was the son of a Mittani princess and was married to a full-blooded Mittani princess: SaTYAVati. A startlingly lovely woman, and surely almost full-blooded Neaderthal.
She had a child with a "modern human" from India: Parashurama, aka Rama I, aka "Priam." That child was Horemheb/Homer, best known as Vyasa. She had children with Amenhotep III, aka "Emperor Santanu." These were almost certainly full-blooded Neanderthal off-spring.
Obviously the princess called "TaduKhipa", pronounced TaDu Ebe/Eve is the Mittani Princess/ Neanderthal beauty Nefertiti. (BTW: her Mittani name means "Beautiful Aditi")
One only needs to view images of her skull to discern the obvious. You think any modern man would not mate with her? You are mistaken. She is the biblical "Naomi."
Is it "possible" there is a decided and obvious bias in "academic circles" against accepting that these Neaderthals of the 18th dynasty and 19th dynasty are the ones known as "Hapiru/Hebrews?" Yuya/asafJa/YHW/"Tushratta"/Dashartha has reddish yellow hair and Neanderthal skull, with prominent Neaderthal nose..look at images of his mummy. Talk about "nasal evidence...."
His offspring/lineage Ramses II/Lord Rama/ has Neaderthal skull. As does Seti I, Thutankhamun, SaTYAVati ("Tiye") and many other mummies of those two dynasties. I've already listed Akhenaton/Smenkare skull for anyone to go view. Frankly, they look like very archaic humans, with simian-like face/jutting jaw. Perhaps even moree like Habilis than Neanderthal.
Yuya had a refuge in Upper Egypt called "AkhMin," in the EgyptianMinya provence/district: he is a Turko-Greek Minyan. Sailor.
Fact is: we need to stop acting like Neanderthals "died out" 35,000 years ago while barely being civilized, and accept they sailed to oceans, and had civilizations that rivaled anything the contemporary modern Homo Sapien Sapien built. As perhaps did the other archaic humans, including the builders of Gobekli tepe.
The Khabur/Kheperu "Haburs" of VasuKanni ("Assyria" on the Habur River) are, to my eye and line of reasoned thought along with DNA evidence, descended from "Handyman"" Homo HABilis. Obviously.
"Esau" is Sausatar, king of Mittani. Esau means "red/hairy." Eurasian Neanderthal. Get used to it, accept the obvious. Do your own research. Come to your own reasoned conclusions based on the science, the evidence.
Perhaps. Or perhaps very misunderstood, or transformed through time and space. I can assure you many of the "Greek" myths contain memories of a more ancient time, and many other locations "Greeks" migrated and settled in.
Sounds like this would be a good time to run an article about Doggerland, the area that was flooded with the melting of the last ice age. Occured around 6200-6500 BC, so the trading would have taken place when Briton was still attached to the continent.
I have enjoyed this thread quite a lot. I would invite all of you to check out a YouTube video by Lloyde Pye. I first watched his video "Everything you know is wrong" several years ago by chance. And then I watched it again, and the 3rd time I was taking notes to back check what he was saying, and that's when some things finally started to make sense.
If you are a skeptic this will wake you up, if you believe, it has some great information and deductive reasoning. The hominids are still here, they have always been here, it's their planet, not ours, and hopefully we don't F it up too much because they'll be here long after we kill each other off.
The only down side to watching Lloyds video was that was it opened a whole bunch of other lines of questioning about what other 'truths' we are being feed that are also fictions! I've probably read more material and watched more video over the past 3-4 years than 5 normal people would have, but I enjoy learning so it's all good.
I'd enjoy hearing comments after you've watched the video about what your thoughts are.
H. Sapiens Mitochondrial DNA only goes back 200,000yrs and fossil records only start 120,000yrs ago. If we didn't 'evolve' from the 1 or 2 hominid species present at that same time, we have a problem. The further back in time you move the 'split' the greater the number of 'missing transitional species' that are going to be needed to get from there to H. Sapiens. We are nothing like what was already here 200,000yrs ago. They are still here, but MS science can't admit it because that would mean that we, H. Sapiens, didn't evolve here and that's a problem! Am I missing something or am I right?
Someone please explain to me a couple of things:
1. How it is that the human genome has over 4000 genetic disorders and primates have virtually none?
2. Of those 4000 plus disorders there are over 2 dozen which will kill you, 100% of the time, before you reach puberty and even have a chance of putting that defect into the gene pool. How can a genetic disorder like Spina Bifada get into the DNA of every person on the planet?
3. Someone please explain to me how all primates, ALL PRIMATES, on this planet have 48 chromosomes and yet we humans have only 46,
I have more to ask but 3 is a good start.
Great comments from everyone. I have a thought I'd like to interject into the discussion about the 'global flood'.
The Sumerians creation 'myth' details how their home planet entered into our newly formed solar system, in a retrograde orbit, and was captured by the gravitational forces of the outer gas giants and eventually settled into it's current 3600yr orbit. We are told that there was a collision between Nebiru and Tiamat during the 2nd crossing which created our planet, mixed the waters and passed life to us, and caused a lot of inter-planetary movement until all of the planets in our system sorted themselves out gravitationally.
I will suggest that Nebiru's crossing, every 3600yrs, doesn't go unnoticed by the inner planets. The impact of a 4xEarth sized planet entering the intense gravitational fields of the inner solar system would be disruptive, if not catastrophic in nature. I can see tidal waves, earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, tectonic plate movements, plasma arcing between planets, meteorite showers, all of 'Biblical' proportions and observed by every culture, on every continent. The flood story has to be considered a real event.
The problem, as I see it, is that Niberu's crossing happens every 3600yrs and we have a hard time remembering what happened 100yrs ago. I am a firm believer that there have been several periods in Earths history where civilizations rose up and then where completely wiped off the face of the planet by Nebiru's crossing. Each crossing is different and unique. Depending on where the inner planets are in their orbits, there may or may not be any close planetary encounters. In this case close is bad, far away is good.
The 3600yr time frame also overlays fairly well with the archeological and geological records.
That's my 2 cents worth. Civil discourse is invited, trolls will be mostly ignored but bitch-slapped if I have some time to waste. Knowledge is power, never stop learning.
For me it’s a numbers thing. Starting with our galaxy of, say 200b stars and using any realistic probabilty factors in the Drake equation we quickly get down to manageable numbers of 1 to maybe 10,000 chances of life capable of spitting out radio waves coincidal with our existence here and now. I feel like there would be at least a dozen more ‘components’ (or rewritten completely) to get to galaxy roaming, planet hopping, earth visiting, life we would recogonize, space invaders that Georgio is so certain of. Life being SO immeasurably difficult to get started is just a part of the equation and 200b is just not a big enough starting point. We are so lucky.
‘In the universe’ of course is a whole nother story.
In the quest for knowledge we should perhaps go with the obvious first. There was no plan to create the spaces and the distances that separate the Pyramids from one another, but being exceptionally heavy sites had to be chosen that would support their weight and not need a lifetime of levelling.
Or whoever you were, and whenever you were the pile would collapse. Its weight is estimated at over 6,000,000 tons, so it was built on the best rock base they had.
SIX MILLION TONS is a lot of reasons to choose the site according to need, rather than to ape, supposedly, star patterns.
It is doubtful the stars were regarded 36,000 or 12500 years ago as the astrologers and astronomers now group them. I doubt they had the names, forms or even the concepts that long ago- ten thousand years before the religion of the ancient Greeks.
Why on earth use contemporary ideas to “prove” age?
I have readed about this coin before, and even if there are no proofs of viking presence in such lands, does not means that vikings never went there. There was also a curious discovery in Cuban north coast, in the 1950 decade, archaeologists discovered the remains of a wooden ship. By its shape, seemed to be a viking ship. The place was lost and has never been found again, although some pieces of wood were conserved, and were sent to study at Kon-Tiki museum. You can read an article about this here:
So if in the future, say 10000 years, archaeologists unearth my daughters doll's house. I assume they would put forward the idea of an ancient race of people no bigger than mice.
or perhaps they unearth Mount Rushmore which has been buried in sediment. My God!! there must have been a race of alien beings with enormous heads and teeny weeny legs.
Good grief how about some real evidence for a change like a giant skeleton,skull etc. etc, verified by a reputable (heaven forbid) authority.
Imhotep was Imhotep and Joseph was Joseph. They were two different individuals living at different times. You cannot simply shrink the world’s population because different people have coincidental characteristics (for which here there is little actual proof anyway).
Why do this? Velikovski made a similar mistake- he reckoned Oedipus and Akhenaton were the same person, duh!!
I am definitely with Angie here on this one. I believe there have been wheels for almost as long as we have been around because you cannot observe an apple or orange or cherry rolling on the ground without being struck by its way of moving, and once you look again and again at it, the next thing is to slice through your apple, or cut it into slices and see if they roll. There are dozens of fruits in nature that move like this an they probably predate us, so the catalyst and the inspiration have always been all around us.
I certainly think there are intriguing signs of advanced civilisation/s in prehistory, but it irritates me that it is always framed in an extra-terrestrial narrative. Perhaps we simply haven't found evidence of an intelligent species which evolved before us and was wiped out, and/or indeed that there were advanced human civilizations that perished. We take a lot for granted, but we must always remember only a tiny jot of what has existed was ever fossilised, and only a fraction of that has been discovered. Metal and stone artifacts can only be dated based on where they were buried, so, for example, marble from Roman temples is found broken up and used in Medieval cathedrals, and who knows how much of the gold or other metals/stones found in viking or medieval sites wasn't looted from Egyptian tombs or from other nations ancient artifacts. People destroy and recycle these things on a regular basis, and to this day in most places they have no respect for history when matters of survival and self interest come first. It is a real wonder anything survives intact at all. The subject will always be open to speculation because "evidence" is in the eye of the beholder and everything else is dust.
I live in York and remember when this was first found. I don’t know if it will ever further our knowledge that much, but it is such a fascinating and evocative find.
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It never ceases to amaze me that people, especially well-educated professionals, see but at the same time "don't see". By this I mean that they fail to perceive the truth behind objective reality they are examining.
Angkor, the vast ancient capital city of Cambodia is far older than current mainline science considers it to be. It is at least as old as the Ice Age if not very very much older. In fact, this site is very much larger in area than originally believed which leads to the possibility of an age in the millions of years.
We can say this because we have discovered the orbit of an ancient celestial object, either a moon or massive debris field. Such a discovery makes it possible to come to this conclusion. In fact, using the projection of this orbit on the globe and adjusting for plate tectonic movement of the continents we have been able to date a number of archaeological sites to many millions years of age.
The orbit we have discovered travels around the globe over Angkor to Khjurharo in India, to Mecca in Arabia, to North Africa, to North America and then southwest over the Pacific to Tahiti where it turns toward Angkor.
Since numerous ancient archaeological sites are found under this orbit it becomes obvious that the ancients built various temples and monuments under it. Such constructions would aid in the development of a calendar.
We discuss this orbit and our dating methods together with other things on our black2tell blog site. Mr. Black
Some of the females were almost certainly wealthy benefactors of the Friary. The others may have been cooks and cleaners who had served the friars.
"Jeffrey T. Laitman, co-author and Professor at the Icahn School of Medicine and director of the Center for Anatomy and Functional Morphology states...."The strength of this new research lies in its taking the totality of the Neanderthal nasal complex into account, rather than looking at a single feature. By looking at the complete morphological pattern, we can conclude that Neanderthals are our close relatives, but they are not us,"...."
Perhaps. Or perhaps "research" conducted by using one's eyes to view the obvious Neaderthal skull of either Smenkare or Akhenaton (both Wikipedia articles on them have same skull photo) leads to exactly the opposite conclusion. We are "them" and "they" are us. Mixed over a million years of interaction. Is it that hard to grasp when science proves we still have 2-4% average Neanderthal DNA? Who is Laitman kidding?
The written ancient records that the Mittani Indo-Aryans of today's Anatolia/Kurdistan area sent their daughters to marry these KHeperu kings of Egypt, in fact, Amenhotep III was the son of a Mittani princess and was married to a full-blooded Mittani princess: SaTYAVati. A startlingly lovely woman, and surely almost full-blooded Neaderthal.
She had a child with a "modern human" from India: Parashurama, aka Rama I, aka "Priam." That child was Horemheb/Homer, best known as Vyasa. She had children with Amenhotep III, aka "Emperor Santanu." These were almost certainly full-blooded Neanderthal off-spring.
Obviously the princess called "TaduKhipa", pronounced TaDu Ebe/Eve is the Mittani Princess/ Neanderthal beauty Nefertiti. (BTW: her Mittani name means "Beautiful Aditi")
One only needs to view images of her skull to discern the obvious. You think any modern man would not mate with her? You are mistaken. She is the biblical "Naomi."
Is it "possible" there is a decided and obvious bias in "academic circles" against accepting that these Neaderthals of the 18th dynasty and 19th dynasty are the ones known as "Hapiru/Hebrews?" Yuya/asafJa/YHW/"Tushratta"/Dashartha has reddish yellow hair and Neanderthal skull, with prominent Neaderthal nose..look at images of his mummy. Talk about "nasal evidence...."
His offspring/lineage Ramses II/Lord Rama/ has Neaderthal skull. As does Seti I, Thutankhamun, SaTYAVati ("Tiye") and many other mummies of those two dynasties. I've already listed Akhenaton/Smenkare skull for anyone to go view. Frankly, they look like very archaic humans, with simian-like face/jutting jaw. Perhaps even moree like Habilis than Neanderthal.
Yuya had a refuge in Upper Egypt called "AkhMin," in the EgyptianMinya provence/district: he is a Turko-Greek Minyan. Sailor.
Fact is: we need to stop acting like Neanderthals "died out" 35,000 years ago while barely being civilized, and accept they sailed to oceans, and had civilizations that rivaled anything the contemporary modern Homo Sapien Sapien built. As perhaps did the other archaic humans, including the builders of Gobekli tepe.
The Khabur/Kheperu "Haburs" of VasuKanni ("Assyria" on the Habur River) are, to my eye and line of reasoned thought along with DNA evidence, descended from "Handyman"" Homo HABilis. Obviously.
"Esau" is Sausatar, king of Mittani. Esau means "red/hairy." Eurasian Neanderthal. Get used to it, accept the obvious. Do your own research. Come to your own reasoned conclusions based on the science, the evidence.
"Unlike the mythical tales of the Greeks...."
Perhaps. Or perhaps very misunderstood, or transformed through time and space. I can assure you many of the "Greek" myths contain memories of a more ancient time, and many other locations "Greeks" migrated and settled in.
Sounds like this would be a good time to run an article about Doggerland, the area that was flooded with the melting of the last ice age. Occured around 6200-6500 BC, so the trading would have taken place when Briton was still attached to the continent.
I have enjoyed this thread quite a lot. I would invite all of you to check out a YouTube video by Lloyde Pye. I first watched his video "Everything you know is wrong" several years ago by chance. And then I watched it again, and the 3rd time I was taking notes to back check what he was saying, and that's when some things finally started to make sense.
If you are a skeptic this will wake you up, if you believe, it has some great information and deductive reasoning. The hominids are still here, they have always been here, it's their planet, not ours, and hopefully we don't F it up too much because they'll be here long after we kill each other off.
The only down side to watching Lloyds video was that was it opened a whole bunch of other lines of questioning about what other 'truths' we are being feed that are also fictions! I've probably read more material and watched more video over the past 3-4 years than 5 normal people would have, but I enjoy learning so it's all good.
I'd enjoy hearing comments after you've watched the video about what your thoughts are.
H. Sapiens Mitochondrial DNA only goes back 200,000yrs and fossil records only start 120,000yrs ago. If we didn't 'evolve' from the 1 or 2 hominid species present at that same time, we have a problem. The further back in time you move the 'split' the greater the number of 'missing transitional species' that are going to be needed to get from there to H. Sapiens. We are nothing like what was already here 200,000yrs ago. They are still here, but MS science can't admit it because that would mean that we, H. Sapiens, didn't evolve here and that's a problem! Am I missing something or am I right?
Someone please explain to me a couple of things:
1. How it is that the human genome has over 4000 genetic disorders and primates have virtually none?
2. Of those 4000 plus disorders there are over 2 dozen which will kill you, 100% of the time, before you reach puberty and even have a chance of putting that defect into the gene pool. How can a genetic disorder like Spina Bifada get into the DNA of every person on the planet?
3. Someone please explain to me how all primates, ALL PRIMATES, on this planet have 48 chromosomes and yet we humans have only 46,
I have more to ask but 3 is a good start.
Great comments from everyone. I have a thought I'd like to interject into the discussion about the 'global flood'.
The Sumerians creation 'myth' details how their home planet entered into our newly formed solar system, in a retrograde orbit, and was captured by the gravitational forces of the outer gas giants and eventually settled into it's current 3600yr orbit. We are told that there was a collision between Nebiru and Tiamat during the 2nd crossing which created our planet, mixed the waters and passed life to us, and caused a lot of inter-planetary movement until all of the planets in our system sorted themselves out gravitationally.
I will suggest that Nebiru's crossing, every 3600yrs, doesn't go unnoticed by the inner planets. The impact of a 4xEarth sized planet entering the intense gravitational fields of the inner solar system would be disruptive, if not catastrophic in nature. I can see tidal waves, earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, tectonic plate movements, plasma arcing between planets, meteorite showers, all of 'Biblical' proportions and observed by every culture, on every continent. The flood story has to be considered a real event.
The problem, as I see it, is that Niberu's crossing happens every 3600yrs and we have a hard time remembering what happened 100yrs ago. I am a firm believer that there have been several periods in Earths history where civilizations rose up and then where completely wiped off the face of the planet by Nebiru's crossing. Each crossing is different and unique. Depending on where the inner planets are in their orbits, there may or may not be any close planetary encounters. In this case close is bad, far away is good.
The 3600yr time frame also overlays fairly well with the archeological and geological records.
That's my 2 cents worth. Civil discourse is invited, trolls will be mostly ignored but bitch-slapped if I have some time to waste. Knowledge is power, never stop learning.
For me it’s a numbers thing. Starting with our galaxy of, say 200b stars and using any realistic probabilty factors in the Drake equation we quickly get down to manageable numbers of 1 to maybe 10,000 chances of life capable of spitting out radio waves coincidal with our existence here and now. I feel like there would be at least a dozen more ‘components’ (or rewritten completely) to get to galaxy roaming, planet hopping, earth visiting, life we would recogonize, space invaders that Georgio is so certain of. Life being SO immeasurably difficult to get started is just a part of the equation and 200b is just not a big enough starting point. We are so lucky.
‘In the universe’ of course is a whole nother story.
In the quest for knowledge we should perhaps go with the obvious first. There was no plan to create the spaces and the distances that separate the Pyramids from one another, but being exceptionally heavy sites had to be chosen that would support their weight and not need a lifetime of levelling.
Or whoever you were, and whenever you were the pile would collapse. Its weight is estimated at over 6,000,000 tons, so it was built on the best rock base they had.
SIX MILLION TONS is a lot of reasons to choose the site according to need, rather than to ape, supposedly, star patterns.
It is doubtful the stars were regarded 36,000 or 12500 years ago as the astrologers and astronomers now group them. I doubt they had the names, forms or even the concepts that long ago- ten thousand years before the religion of the ancient Greeks.
Why on earth use contemporary ideas to “prove” age?
I have readed about this coin before, and even if there are no proofs of viking presence in such lands, does not means that vikings never went there. There was also a curious discovery in Cuban north coast, in the 1950 decade, archaeologists discovered the remains of a wooden ship. By its shape, seemed to be a viking ship. The place was lost and has never been found again, although some pieces of wood were conserved, and were sent to study at Kon-Tiki museum. You can read an article about this here:
http://www.juventudrebelde.cu/cuba/2012-08-04/un-cubano-cazador-de-miste...
Imagine...the lost city. I think the archeologist must be so excited, they hate the hours they have to sleep and rest lol. I would be..
So if in the future, say 10000 years, archaeologists unearth my daughters doll's house. I assume they would put forward the idea of an ancient race of people no bigger than mice.
or perhaps they unearth Mount Rushmore which has been buried in sediment. My God!! there must have been a race of alien beings with enormous heads and teeny weeny legs.
Good grief how about some real evidence for a change like a giant skeleton,skull etc. etc, verified by a reputable (heaven forbid) authority.
Imhotep was Imhotep and Joseph was Joseph. They were two different individuals living at different times. You cannot simply shrink the world’s population because different people have coincidental characteristics (for which here there is little actual proof anyway).
Why do this? Velikovski made a similar mistake- he reckoned Oedipus and Akhenaton were the same person, duh!!
I am definitely with Angie here on this one. I believe there have been wheels for almost as long as we have been around because you cannot observe an apple or orange or cherry rolling on the ground without being struck by its way of moving, and once you look again and again at it, the next thing is to slice through your apple, or cut it into slices and see if they roll. There are dozens of fruits in nature that move like this an they probably predate us, so the catalyst and the inspiration have always been all around us.
So in a way for as long as people may have wanted to control the birth process, that’s what they’ve been trying to do.
The staircase is quite impressive. Thank you for the article.
I certainly think there are intriguing signs of advanced civilisation/s in prehistory, but it irritates me that it is always framed in an extra-terrestrial narrative. Perhaps we simply haven't found evidence of an intelligent species which evolved before us and was wiped out, and/or indeed that there were advanced human civilizations that perished. We take a lot for granted, but we must always remember only a tiny jot of what has existed was ever fossilised, and only a fraction of that has been discovered. Metal and stone artifacts can only be dated based on where they were buried, so, for example, marble from Roman temples is found broken up and used in Medieval cathedrals, and who knows how much of the gold or other metals/stones found in viking or medieval sites wasn't looted from Egyptian tombs or from other nations ancient artifacts. People destroy and recycle these things on a regular basis, and to this day in most places they have no respect for history when matters of survival and self interest come first. It is a real wonder anything survives intact at all. The subject will always be open to speculation because "evidence" is in the eye of the beholder and everything else is dust.
I live in York and remember when this was first found. I don’t know if it will ever further our knowledge that much, but it is such a fascinating and evocative find.
Thanks for the article!
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