I'm not trying to troll here--really. But there are a lot of "suggested" uses for, say, the whistle. How do we know it's not a Mayan child's toy? Seems like instantly attaching it to ritual is a bit of a rush. Especially since it was made of clay; not expensive, not sacred, not critical to survival. Seems perfect for kids in a time without toys (as we know them). I mean, had it been carved from gold...or a giant emerald, we'd KNOW it was of great importance.
in the area Alykanas of Zakynthos, Greece, at depth of 2-6 meters, tells that the remains are at least 5000 years old. That is the period of the flooding of the Black Valley, which became the Black Sea. I say at least, because the waters contained by the great ice dam of North America burst some 10,000 years ago, raising the oceans' levels worldwide, though by an amount unknown to me. So the remains could be older than 10Ky.
Well, I agree with you that the ancient alien theory has become an industry and a bunch of so-called researchers are using it to write books, become famous and make money. However the alien contact in ancient times is a theory that makes sense in many ways and has supportive evidence and shouldn’t be dismissed because of the ones that have ridiculed the topic. We need to separate these two things.
Thank you for pointing this out Peter. Turukawa was female. The article was written by a non-native English speaker who had his he’s and she’s mixed up. This has now been corrected.
A fascinating and fantastic find, as Minediver208 writes above, on many different levels. The craftsmanship of the pieces is absolutely stunning and really does overturn the whole ‘dark ages’ myth.
“ Illustration of chasqui” What does the runner have in his hand? Looks like a whip, a nasty one at that. But I think it is something else.Anybody here who can enlighten me?
Come on mate, you can't blame them. It's getting a bit old,attributing every bloody odd image from ancient times to some type of alien contact. I'm open to all views but the whole ancient aliens thing has become an industry. A very unpleasant industry I might add.
A truly amazing find on a number of levels. As an amateur ‘treasure hunter’ and metal detector enthusiast myself, this is the kind of find every one of us hopes to discover. I would agree with statement by Mr. Lewis that this seems unlikely to be an offering to a deity. In my experience, removal of precious items from host objects suggests the people were under duress and attempting to conceal their valuable/prized objects from another group. While I most certainly cannot prove this to be the case in this instance, history is rife with ‘treasures’ being collected and hidden to prevent a warring entity from confiscating them, in the hopes that the original owners may be able to return at a later date to collect them. I am equally as interested to discover what this find can tell us about ore processing, metallurgy, and gem crafting of the time. These pieces show incredible skill and talent by the person(s) who crafted them. Can these pieces be traced to a common manufacturer; can the materials be traced to a point of origin? I look forward to hearing more about this exceptional find!
Graham and ‘Womanity’, you are both speculating – doing exactly what the ones you ‘accuse’ do. Your opinions are based on what you think you know and your beliefs – which is extremely restricted.
I wouldn’t be proud with your replies if I were you … at least other opinions have a broader perspective ...
The key is having large pyramids just look at this research and there is a lot more on this issue.
Check out Golod and his Russian pyramids. It's amazing what they do to a lot of things.
Graham M, thank you for reasonable response to jabberwocky. Aliens may slum on Earth or such, but--please!--may we never again hear: "...but ancient alienists theorists...." Scaley, bug-eyed critters a staple of art from antiquity to kindergarten.
Today's "bulgarians" are not the same as ancient bulgarians. it's like saying that today's brits are equivalent to ancient britons. We are a mix and the predominant ethniciity is thracian and slavic in that order. genetically we are closest to north and central italians. Not surprising that there is a theory that rome was founded by Thracians (Troy was actually populated by Thracians).
Secondly the Eastern Roman empire was NEVER called Byzantium in history. It is just an invention of modern historians to differentiate between the western roman empire and the eastern. It was always called the Eastern Roman Empire or the Roman Empire in historic texts. The citizens were also called "romans".
I wrote proven facts, like it or not. I didn' sad anything about gen, science sad that. U should read more about DNK analysies.
So if u think that I am in wrong about my written things, u should send complain to NASA, and profesor Kjosov at Harvard University.
End explain to them that they are all wrong...
John, the only fact you got right was that Bulgarians found a country Bulgaria in 681 AD. Bulgarians are totally different from Romanians or Dacians.
When the Bulgarians and Slavs came they assimilated the local small population of Tracians tribes. They all lived in piece including with the Eastern Roman Empire which grew to become Bysantian just a little later. Sources date back Tracians just like these article says 5000+ years before AD. In the past 5-10 years In Bulgaria for the first time were found remnants and objects dating back from 7000 years ago. Check some of the comments below for the sites.
Did you know that were at 9 different periods Bulgarian villages (I do not want o call it kingdoms) in the lands of today's Asia?
Read more reliable source before you conclude much. The history in these lands is very interlined and it is easy to state untrue facts.
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I'm not trying to troll here--really. But there are a lot of "suggested" uses for, say, the whistle. How do we know it's not a Mayan child's toy? Seems like instantly attaching it to ritual is a bit of a rush. Especially since it was made of clay; not expensive, not sacred, not critical to survival. Seems perfect for kids in a time without toys (as we know them). I mean, had it been carved from gold...or a giant emerald, we'd KNOW it was of great importance.
in the area Alykanas of Zakynthos, Greece, at depth of 2-6 meters, tells that the remains are at least 5000 years old. That is the period of the flooding of the Black Valley, which became the Black Sea. I say at least, because the waters contained by the great ice dam of North America burst some 10,000 years ago, raising the oceans' levels worldwide, though by an amount unknown to me. So the remains could be older than 10Ky.
Well, I agree with you that the ancient alien theory has become an industry and a bunch of so-called researchers are using it to write books, become famous and make money. However the alien contact in ancient times is a theory that makes sense in many ways and has supportive evidence and shouldn’t be dismissed because of the ones that have ridiculed the topic. We need to separate these two things.
Has anybody noticed the similarities with Gauguin's painting "The Ancestors of Tehamana" and the Rongorongo characters?
Thank you for pointing this out Peter. Turukawa was female. The article was written by a non-native English speaker who had his he’s and she’s mixed up. This has now been corrected.
A fascinating and fantastic find, as Minediver208 writes above, on many different levels. The craftsmanship of the pieces is absolutely stunning and really does overturn the whole ‘dark ages’ myth.
Thanks for the article!
“ Illustration of chasqui” What does the runner have in his hand? Looks like a whip, a nasty one at that. But I think it is something else.Anybody here who can enlighten me?
Come on mate, you can't blame them. It's getting a bit old,attributing every bloody odd image from ancient times to some type of alien contact. I'm open to all views but the whole ancient aliens thing has become an industry. A very unpleasant industry I might add.
Hi guys, find more Toraja photos at http://www.torajatreasures.com/en/photo
Interesting article anyway.. heheee
Yep... This is the best explanation yet.
A truly amazing find on a number of levels. As an amateur ‘treasure hunter’ and metal detector enthusiast myself, this is the kind of find every one of us hopes to discover. I would agree with statement by Mr. Lewis that this seems unlikely to be an offering to a deity. In my experience, removal of precious items from host objects suggests the people were under duress and attempting to conceal their valuable/prized objects from another group. While I most certainly cannot prove this to be the case in this instance, history is rife with ‘treasures’ being collected and hidden to prevent a warring entity from confiscating them, in the hopes that the original owners may be able to return at a later date to collect them. I am equally as interested to discover what this find can tell us about ore processing, metallurgy, and gem crafting of the time. These pieces show incredible skill and talent by the person(s) who crafted them. Can these pieces be traced to a common manufacturer; can the materials be traced to a point of origin? I look forward to hearing more about this exceptional find!
Graham and ‘Womanity’, you are both speculating – doing exactly what the ones you ‘accuse’ do. Your opinions are based on what you think you know and your beliefs – which is extremely restricted.
I wouldn’t be proud with your replies if I were you … at least other opinions have a broader perspective ...
The key is having large pyramids just look at this research and there is a lot more on this issue.
Check out Golod and his Russian pyramids. It's amazing what they do to a lot of things.
Graham M, thank you for reasonable response to jabberwocky. Aliens may slum on Earth or such, but--please!--may we never again hear: "...but ancient alienists theorists...." Scaley, bug-eyed critters a staple of art from antiquity to kindergarten.
Today's "bulgarians" are not the same as ancient bulgarians. it's like saying that today's brits are equivalent to ancient britons. We are a mix and the predominant ethniciity is thracian and slavic in that order. genetically we are closest to north and central italians. Not surprising that there is a theory that rome was founded by Thracians (Troy was actually populated by Thracians).
Secondly the Eastern Roman empire was NEVER called Byzantium in history. It is just an invention of modern historians to differentiate between the western roman empire and the eastern. It was always called the Eastern Roman Empire or the Roman Empire in historic texts. The citizens were also called "romans".
I couldn't agree more ! Very well put !
I wrote proven facts, like it or not. I didn' sad anything about gen, science sad that. U should read more about DNK analysies.
So if u think that I am in wrong about my written things, u should send complain to NASA, and profesor Kjosov at Harvard University.
End explain to them that they are all wrong...
You said exactly what i said...:))) where is the problem ?
So strange to read a coherent and thoughtful comment. My faith in comment reading is momentarily restored.
John, the only fact you got right was that Bulgarians found a country Bulgaria in 681 AD. Bulgarians are totally different from Romanians or Dacians.
When the Bulgarians and Slavs came they assimilated the local small population of Tracians tribes. They all lived in piece including with the Eastern Roman Empire which grew to become Bysantian just a little later. Sources date back Tracians just like these article says 5000+ years before AD. In the past 5-10 years In Bulgaria for the first time were found remnants and objects dating back from 7000 years ago. Check some of the comments below for the sites.
Did you know that were at 9 different periods Bulgarian villages (I do not want o call it kingdoms) in the lands of today's Asia?
Read more reliable source before you conclude much. The history in these lands is very interlined and it is easy to state untrue facts.
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