That's really easy to do. When someone comes up with a reason why they would bother to do all this that doesn't sound like a back plot from a disregarded Star Trek episode, those of us waiting to be convinced will at least move from “meh” to “mmmmm.” Let's face it. Every single civilisation they meddled with ultimately died out so, they can't have been great shakes. Even if it's ultimately true, those aliens look like a fickle and hubristic bunch that cleared off pretty sharpish when it turned out they weren't any good at moulding a fledging species. Good Riddance.
Ignoring my own opinion on Sitchin or his belief, theories and assumptions.
“If one disagrees or questions him or his bona fides….” First of all, no one can question him without carrying water? Just making a statement this absolute (especially about other absolute statements) suggests that you are EXACTLY as close-minded as you are accusing others to be.
As for his bona fides, assuming we have the same definition of bona fides (since bona fide is something you are not something you can have, technically). He actually has none; he has a very good education in Economics and nothing else. Not saying that education=correct (it most certainly doesn’t); but he certainly doesn’t have any ‘bona fides’ in any of what we are speaking of.
Hah - it does still annoy me, though. You can't discover anything if someone has not only been there before you, but someone else also lives there. It's therefore doubly worse when you do say you've discovered America, when in fact you didn't actually see the damn place. The New World ? Okay, at a push.
The Beringians, the Polynesians, the Chinese, the Phoenicians, the Irish, the Vikings, most likely the Basques and quite possibly the Egyptians and the Guanche all set foot on America before Columbus was even born. By most standards, perhaps more than 50 million people lived there, too. I'm all for giving credit where credit is due but Columbus did not discover America.
I read your comment with great interest; I had previously not heard of the stone blocks near Mount Shoria. They are truly strange; not more of this ‘well that would be hard’ or ‘ this one picture looks like it could be an alien’ nonsense that many people call ‘unexplained.’
Though there are some possible geologic explanations for this; it seems that it definitely needs further research before I am convinced as to what is going on there.
It shouldn’t annoy you too much; in a very real way, his discovery of the Bahamas was the discovery of the entire New World.
Having said that, in his own way, Columbus was somewhat of a lunatic. Contrary to popular belief, the medieval Europeans were very aware that the world was round – but simply believed that there was a vast ocean instead of the Western continents. Columbus was actually wrong, his belief was that the world was much smaller than it is (he didn’t think there were Western continents either).
In other words, it was the equivalent of a motorcyclist going to jump the Grand Canyon claiming ‘it’s not as wide as everyone says.’
Every statement you make is hanging; “in fact if you take technology out of the equation we are far inferior to most of the ancient civilizations.” – “The only advancement of our society today is technology, and to be exact a very specific type of technology.” Without elaborating on what you are actually talking about, you are effectively ‘just saying things.’ So I really can’t respond to nothing.
As for my ‘nothing else to do’ comment; you are right – I am exaggerating. But it remains that they did not have television, books, video games etc. (in some cases, they did not even have organized sporting events) – the point being is that their understanding of astronomy can be explained quite simply by the fact that a basic understanding of astronomy was as common in ancient times as being able to drive is today.
I'm always impressed by the ethical recoveries of these massive hoards. Detectorists following the Antiquities Scheme to the letter and both enjoying their hobby, preserving history, and gaining financially as a reward. I hope someday the US finds a way to create a similar scheme. Bravo to Terry Herbert.
Let us look at the world as it once was, and perhaps still is.
In a time, when magic was science, ignorance abounded, when true power laid in the hands of the violently strong the chronicler and the storyteller wrote history, whom do we believe? Chronicled facts are a dry meal that sticks in the throat of the consumer, they carry no sense of the moment, nor do they convey the history of the moment yet, the storyteller with a few deft embellishments provides a rich, succulent, and satisfying repast. The narrative of the human race is a record set down in legend and fact, some of it verifiable, some of it unbelievable, yet what a story it all makes.
An ape, if we are to believe the evolutionist, and why should we not, once stretched out a hand to touch and pluck fruit from a tree or a bush. We as descendants of that ape have the opportunity to reach out and touch the stars. Could mere dry facts have driven us so far, or have our imaginations needed the stories to enable us to desire and progress beyond that which as a fact appears unattainable.
Sorry if i offend anybody, but findings in done in europe only to suppress facts, since scientific findings begin by newly rich colonial powers with money robbed from asian countries like India, china, Hence scientists are bound to schedule all findings related human origins as per Bible only
Good point Defiant. We know so little about this culture, and with each discovery there seems to be a rush to explain what cannot be known (at this point). Equally, a broken clay whistle would not be considered an irreplaceable loss, so the "toy hypothesis" has merit. I would only be hesitant to add the instrument depicting a ritual sacrifice into a children's toy catalogue. Then again, that may just be me forcing 21rst century morality onto a culture long since gone.
It is utterly fantastic, the skill involved in its creation quite amazing. Had I not spent time there myself I would not have believed it possible, because to be able to sculpt the entire central massif of the building requires that you are able to think sculpt and measure accurately in 3D, in ADVANCE, which is quite something on so grand and impressive a scale. Who’d a thunk it?
Libraries are flammable. Egypt is hot, but people still smoke. They did then. Just one glowing rope end left accidentally on a shelf, or a candle? You do accept they also had candles? Good.
These things are just art, like all of the art of the rest of the world. They do not need to have an unearthly origin, dreamt up for them by people who obviously have never had such creative urges!!
Often people get given visions by God of THEIR own cultures current thinking of what God is, or looks like, nowadays we have the interdenomenational all-embracing (even atheists) Spaceships
then it was maybe something that looked something like this , miraculously appearing to a sculptor who then was “inspired” to create the statue.
Modern Buddhists just say “Everything’s like space” which is a phrase we should think about!
It does annoy me intensely when people still say Columbus discovered America. He did not - he never set foot in America. The nearest he came was the Bahamas - most likely the island of San Salvador. It still bemuses me in this respect that the United States has Columbus Day.
It is said in the article that the muslim Kalif Omar could be the one who burned and destroyed the library in the years of somewhere between AD 490-570. I would remind you all good people on this site, that nothing could be more wrong! Let us recall that Muhammed dictaded "the words of Gabriel" which became the KORAN, first somewhere AD 630-650. The Islam was founded after these years. But the myth of a muslim general burning down a library or akademi might refer to the burnig down of such as Zoroastric /Sassidik library in Persia, sorry I dont remember the name in this second. There is a lot written on the myth of Pythia and her father, librarians in Alexandria, who were killed by a Christian mobb, who wanted to destroy all pagan knowledge! Does it sound somehow familjar, according to the Islamic mobb called IS or Daesh, who in the name of Allah and Islam in this very moment are destroying a greate culturall heritage somewhere in Syria.
It is said in the article that the muslim Kalif Omar could be the one who burned and destroyed the library in the years of somewhere between AD 490-570. I would remind you all good people on this site, that nothing could be more wrong! Let us recall that Muhammed dictaded "the words of Gabriel" which became the KORAN, first somewhere AD 630-650. The Islam was founded after these years. But the myth of a muslim general burning down a library or akademi might refer to the burnig down of such as Zoroastric /Sassidik library in Persia, sorry I dont remember the name in this second. There is a lot written on the myth of Pythia and her father, librarians in Alexandria, who were killed by a Christian mobb, who wanted to destroy all pagan knowledge! Does it sound somehow familjar, according to the Islamic mobb called IS or Daesh, who in the name of Allah and Islam in this very moment are destroying a greate culturall heritage somewhere in Syria.
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That's really easy to do. When someone comes up with a reason why they would bother to do all this that doesn't sound like a back plot from a disregarded Star Trek episode, those of us waiting to be convinced will at least move from “meh” to “mmmmm.” Let's face it. Every single civilisation they meddled with ultimately died out so, they can't have been great shakes. Even if it's ultimately true, those aliens look like a fickle and hubristic bunch that cleared off pretty sharpish when it turned out they weren't any good at moulding a fledging species. Good Riddance.
Ignoring my own opinion on Sitchin or his belief, theories and assumptions.
“If one disagrees or questions him or his bona fides….” First of all, no one can question him without carrying water? Just making a statement this absolute (especially about other absolute statements) suggests that you are EXACTLY as close-minded as you are accusing others to be.
As for his bona fides, assuming we have the same definition of bona fides (since bona fide is something you are not something you can have, technically). He actually has none; he has a very good education in Economics and nothing else. Not saying that education=correct (it most certainly doesn’t); but he certainly doesn’t have any ‘bona fides’ in any of what we are speaking of.
Hah - it does still annoy me, though. You can't discover anything if someone has not only been there before you, but someone else also lives there. It's therefore doubly worse when you do say you've discovered America, when in fact you didn't actually see the damn place. The New World ? Okay, at a push.
The Beringians, the Polynesians, the Chinese, the Phoenicians, the Irish, the Vikings, most likely the Basques and quite possibly the Egyptians and the Guanche all set foot on America before Columbus was even born. By most standards, perhaps more than 50 million people lived there, too. I'm all for giving credit where credit is due but Columbus did not discover America.
I read your comment with great interest; I had previously not heard of the stone blocks near Mount Shoria. They are truly strange; not more of this ‘well that would be hard’ or ‘ this one picture looks like it could be an alien’ nonsense that many people call ‘unexplained.’
Though there are some possible geologic explanations for this; it seems that it definitely needs further research before I am convinced as to what is going on there.
It shouldn’t annoy you too much; in a very real way, his discovery of the Bahamas was the discovery of the entire New World.
Having said that, in his own way, Columbus was somewhat of a lunatic. Contrary to popular belief, the medieval Europeans were very aware that the world was round – but simply believed that there was a vast ocean instead of the Western continents. Columbus was actually wrong, his belief was that the world was much smaller than it is (he didn’t think there were Western continents either).
In other words, it was the equivalent of a motorcyclist going to jump the Grand Canyon claiming ‘it’s not as wide as everyone says.’
Incredible look at the architecture that went into the tomb's distinct (and longstanding) design.
Every statement you make is hanging; “in fact if you take technology out of the equation we are far inferior to most of the ancient civilizations.” – “The only advancement of our society today is technology, and to be exact a very specific type of technology.” Without elaborating on what you are actually talking about, you are effectively ‘just saying things.’ So I really can’t respond to nothing.
As for my ‘nothing else to do’ comment; you are right – I am exaggerating. But it remains that they did not have television, books, video games etc. (in some cases, they did not even have organized sporting events) – the point being is that their understanding of astronomy can be explained quite simply by the fact that a basic understanding of astronomy was as common in ancient times as being able to drive is today.
I'm always impressed by the ethical recoveries of these massive hoards. Detectorists following the Antiquities Scheme to the letter and both enjoying their hobby, preserving history, and gaining financially as a reward. I hope someday the US finds a way to create a similar scheme. Bravo to Terry Herbert.
there are older civilization underwater... humanity will only find in next 500 years
there are older civilization underwater... humanity will only find in next 500 years
I read this with great interest.
Let us look at the world as it once was, and perhaps still is.
In a time, when magic was science, ignorance abounded, when true power laid in the hands of the violently strong the chronicler and the storyteller wrote history, whom do we believe? Chronicled facts are a dry meal that sticks in the throat of the consumer, they carry no sense of the moment, nor do they convey the history of the moment yet, the storyteller with a few deft embellishments provides a rich, succulent, and satisfying repast. The narrative of the human race is a record set down in legend and fact, some of it verifiable, some of it unbelievable, yet what a story it all makes.
An ape, if we are to believe the evolutionist, and why should we not, once stretched out a hand to touch and pluck fruit from a tree or a bush. We as descendants of that ape have the opportunity to reach out and touch the stars. Could mere dry facts have driven us so far, or have our imaginations needed the stories to enable us to desire and progress beyond that which as a fact appears unattainable.
Sorry if i offend anybody, but findings in done in europe only to suppress facts, since scientific findings begin by newly rich colonial powers with money robbed from asian countries like India, china, Hence scientists are bound to schedule all findings related human origins as per Bible only
Good point Defiant. We know so little about this culture, and with each discovery there seems to be a rush to explain what cannot be known (at this point). Equally, a broken clay whistle would not be considered an irreplaceable loss, so the "toy hypothesis" has merit. I would only be hesitant to add the instrument depicting a ritual sacrifice into a children's toy catalogue. Then again, that may just be me forcing 21rst century morality onto a culture long since gone.
It is utterly fantastic, the skill involved in its creation quite amazing. Had I not spent time there myself I would not have believed it possible, because to be able to sculpt the entire central massif of the building requires that you are able to think sculpt and measure accurately in 3D, in ADVANCE, which is quite something on so grand and impressive a scale. Who’d a thunk it?
Libraries are flammable. Egypt is hot, but people still smoke. They did then. Just one glowing rope end left accidentally on a shelf, or a candle? You do accept they also had candles? Good.
These things are just art, like all of the art of the rest of the world. They do not need to have an unearthly origin, dreamt up for them by people who obviously have never had such creative urges!!
Often people get given visions by God of THEIR own cultures current thinking of what God is, or looks like, nowadays we have the interdenomenational all-embracing (even atheists) Spaceships
then it was maybe something that looked something like this , miraculously appearing to a sculptor who then was “inspired” to create the statue.
Modern Buddhists just say “Everything’s like space” which is a phrase we should think about!
It does annoy me intensely when people still say Columbus discovered America. He did not - he never set foot in America. The nearest he came was the Bahamas - most likely the island of San Salvador. It still bemuses me in this respect that the United States has Columbus Day.
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I have been researching for the past two years the viable possibility that the Norse headed up the St. Lawrence River, not anywhere - down the east coast. My ongoing findings - including deciphering most of The Greenlanders Sagas - can be found on my blog: https://lavalhallalujah.wordpress.com, on my Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/lavalhallalujah or if you prefer, on Twitter: https://twitter.com/lavalhallalujah Enjoy!
It is said in the article that the muslim Kalif Omar could be the one who burned and destroyed the library in the years of somewhere between AD 490-570. I would remind you all good people on this site, that nothing could be more wrong! Let us recall that Muhammed dictaded "the words of Gabriel" which became the KORAN, first somewhere AD 630-650. The Islam was founded after these years. But the myth of a muslim general burning down a library or akademi might refer to the burnig down of such as Zoroastric /Sassidik library in Persia, sorry I dont remember the name in this second. There is a lot written on the myth of Pythia and her father, librarians in Alexandria, who were killed by a Christian mobb, who wanted to destroy all pagan knowledge! Does it sound somehow familjar, according to the Islamic mobb called IS or Daesh, who in the name of Allah and Islam in this very moment are destroying a greate culturall heritage somewhere in Syria.
16 min · Gilla
It is said in the article that the muslim Kalif Omar could be the one who burned and destroyed the library in the years of somewhere between AD 490-570. I would remind you all good people on this site, that nothing could be more wrong! Let us recall that Muhammed dictaded "the words of Gabriel" which became the KORAN, first somewhere AD 630-650. The Islam was founded after these years. But the myth of a muslim general burning down a library or akademi might refer to the burnig down of such as Zoroastric /Sassidik library in Persia, sorry I dont remember the name in this second. There is a lot written on the myth of Pythia and her father, librarians in Alexandria, who were killed by a Christian mobb, who wanted to destroy all pagan knowledge! Does it sound somehow familjar, according to the Islamic mobb called IS or Daesh, who in the name of Allah and Islam in this very moment are destroying a greate culturall heritage somewhere in Syria.
16 min · Gilla
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