I have wondered whether there is evidence that Loki has origins in local European cultures that pre-date the Norse. It seems that would explain his “outsider” status and fit with other details of his mythology. Has anyone ever looked for evidence of this?
I walked a forgotten section of the Boston Post Road years ago near Guilford, CT. I was in a very forested area and one could make out how it would have looked in the 1700s. This area of woods that contained the Post Road section was away from development, US1 and I-95 but those roads were very near by. I too like walking old roads, did so in many counties, but the Boston Post Road has a strong pull on me and would love to track it down in maps in more places one day.
I'm confused. Are they suggesting these hominids came down the slope of the volcanoe during a lull in the eruption? Because that kinda implies they were hanging out up high on the mountain while the eruption was in full swing?? Correct me if I'm wrong but that sounds like certain death. They should have left hominid-shaped pockets buried in the stone like what was found at Pompeii, not tracks of footprints.
It is weird that the tracks only descend. But that could be misleading; there could very well be ascending tracks that are simply buried a little deeper(since they were made earlier and this is a quickly changing landscape), or perhaps the ascent was made in an area less conducive to leaving tracks.
Even assuming this, it begs the question, who climbs a freaking erupting volcanoe??!?
Nice description. I don't understand why you're apologizing to me though? I agree that the biblical flood is a distinct event, not connected with creation myths.
There is no "possibly" about it. Neanderthals being another human species, were closely related to modern humans. They mated with modern humans in Europea and Asia.
It has been proven that the first humans on earth started from Africa and migrated all over the world. I know this may be a hard pill to swallow but you should do a DNA analysis so that you know how much African is in you. I personally would like to add to the findings here that possibly the neanderthal people were a close enough match to human and mated to make some of the variations of Europeans.
I don’t want to offend you, but in Indigenous culture, people who suffer epilesy are percieved as individuals who have the ability to become the tribal shaman or medicine person who works in the spirit world to make the necessary transformations in the spirit world so that the good can manifest into physical reality and disharmony can be transformed to harmony in the physical world. If you were living in an Indigenous tribe your epilepsy might be seen as a sign and a gift, instead of being viewed as a disabling illness the way it is percieved in Western Society. I am sorry to hear you had a stroke. We all perceive the world differently, I know shamans that see full body people that have been ancestors in the past and they communicate with the ancestors in the spirit world. What you would see as psychopathology and hallucinations would be seen as a gift not a disease in different cultures.
Following on from your economic theory, these widows, some of whom were old, often became a drain on village resources, which were scarce and expensive, and so accusing them of witchcraft - something which most people did believe in back then - may have been a way to alleviate the struggle of the rest of the village.
However, as I've said, people truly believed in the power of witches and their intent to do evil deeds, the logical act for these people was to eradicate them. The Inquisition was actually quite good for people accused as they only sought the truth and were completely objective in their investigation.
I am absolutely certain am am not "tapping into the spirit world". These are things I can distinctly connect with my past, or things I was studying just before my stroke.
Hello,
This article is very interesting ! I'm working on a documentary about Oman, and I'm looking for information about the Shihus people. Could you contact me? lsauvajon[at]smartcutagency.com
Thanks a lot,
Lou
Thanks for the comment and I’m sorry to have taken so long to reply. This article has over 30’000 shares from this site alone and I have also tried to answer questions on other forums and Facebook pages so I have obviously missed many conversations, unfortunately.
I’ll take your points one by one, if that’s okay. The name Thoth is the Greek for Dhwty but the name in hieroglyphs remains the same. There are actually many variants of both ‘Dhwty’ and ‘Thoth’ in terms of spelling although it is difficult to know how the phonetic changes applied both geographically and culturally. Certainly, in terms of the article and Thoth’s relationship to Tuatha, the symbolic links stand up. Bear in mind too that Thoth/ Dhwty is the Egyptian interpretation of a much earlier God/ Wisdom-giver dating further back into antiquity. For my hieroglyph interpretations, I used Budge’s translations which are not above criticism but have still to be bettered. He breaks down the symbols which Thoth/ Dhwty is represented by and translates those symbols into English equivalents. Each glyph has a number of meanings so the article tries to find the explanations that best represent the descriptions of the Tuatha De’s arrival in Ireland. Again, I think my translation is as strong as the 19th-century version which was decided by people without access to the information and context we have today. Until we invent a time-machine or discover some irrefutable proof, this will always be a matter of opinion.
The second point you make is one that I agree with and try to demonstrate in the article. Believe me, I have been a long time trying to demonstrate the Christian influence on Irish pagan and mythological tales. In fact, another point of contention is that even the Celtic influence is appropriation in many ways. Our stone circles and megaliths here in Ireland are thousands of years older than the Celts. A recent example of this misinformation was when a well-known American Pagan wrote about visiting a famous Irish monument and she poured honey and milk all over it because in Celtic stories this place was sacred to a particular Celtic Goddess! Trying to point out to this person that the monument has nothing to do with the Celts was a futile exercise.
Taking your third and fourth points together, trade is definitely a perfect reason for people from the Fertile Crescent to move up through Europe. The article doesn’t dispute that at all, in fact in the case of the beads found at Tara I would say this is a very likely explanation. That said, with trade comes mixing, both culturally and in terms of belief. DNA evidence leaves no argument that people from Africa, the Fertile Crescent and Eastern Europe were in Ireland around 3’500 BCE. From my perspective and in light of the newest evidence, the Egyptians themselves came out of Anatolia at some point as evidenced by the Hathor connections so the Fertile crescent region was definitely one of the stages for Indo-European origins. I would be an advocate of the out of Africa hypothesis, personally, so if we go back roughly 60’000 years the movement from eastern Africa up through Europe and Asia would be the origin point, long-term.
Hi, Abhilasha. Thanks for the comment. Bear in mind that Gobekli Tepi/ Tepe is of a much earlier date. It would be my own view that people moved upwards from Anatolia and into the Fertile Crescent and on through Europe. That’s not to say there weren’t already people there before then. If the out of Africa hypothesis is correct then it also allows for movement from the opposite direction as well. That is, arriving in America, at places like Monte Verde in Chile from 30’000 BCE and moving upwards, crossing through Canada and into Northern Europe. The level of glaciation would dictate the journey, of course.
The Indians are right. The White Man has became atheist and does not believe in the truth. And speaks with forked tongue of the serpent. There were giants and contact with beings from space. These were Fallen Angels which produced offspring of the serpent called Nephilim or giants in Mesopotamia at Babel where they tried to recreate the PreFlood civilization.
I was a member of the Inland Archaeological Society California and was fascinated by the connections between American native rock art and pictographs that contained symbolism taken from Babel. People were scattered throughout the earth after their language was changed at Babel and carried their religion with them, the worship of the sun 666, moon and earth as the Mother Goddess.
I am not surprised that Chief Joseph had Babylonian inscriptions. The Star People are Fallen Angels and produced offspring in Mesopotamia before the earth was divided in a second major worldwide cataclysm in the Days of Peleg about 2000 BC. This is where they were trying to recreate the first civilization, an advanced civilization destroyed by a worldwide Flood before that in 2347 BC.
This is not a myth, evolution is a myth.
For documentation see my books Mysteries of History Revealed Part 1 & Part 2
Also I noticed you mention the Star Gates which are Megalithic sites created by the giants like Stonehenge where the Spirits of Demons and Fallen Angels contact men.
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I have wondered whether there is evidence that Loki has origins in local European cultures that pre-date the Norse. It seems that would explain his “outsider” status and fit with other details of his mythology. Has anyone ever looked for evidence of this?
I walked a forgotten section of the Boston Post Road years ago near Guilford, CT. I was in a very forested area and one could make out how it would have looked in the 1700s. This area of woods that contained the Post Road section was away from development, US1 and I-95 but those roads were very near by. I too like walking old roads, did so in many counties, but the Boston Post Road has a strong pull on me and would love to track it down in maps in more places one day.
I'm confused. Are they suggesting these hominids came down the slope of the volcanoe during a lull in the eruption? Because that kinda implies they were hanging out up high on the mountain while the eruption was in full swing?? Correct me if I'm wrong but that sounds like certain death. They should have left hominid-shaped pockets buried in the stone like what was found at Pompeii, not tracks of footprints.
It is weird that the tracks only descend. But that could be misleading; there could very well be ascending tracks that are simply buried a little deeper(since they were made earlier and this is a quickly changing landscape), or perhaps the ascent was made in an area less conducive to leaving tracks.
Even assuming this, it begs the question, who climbs a freaking erupting volcanoe??!?
Nice description. I don't understand why you're apologizing to me though? I agree that the biblical flood is a distinct event, not connected with creation myths.
There is no "possibly" about it. Neanderthals being another human species, were closely related to modern humans. They mated with modern humans in Europea and Asia.
Don't forget the 12 million Turkey cart tracks.
Mysterious tracks in Turkey caused by unknown civilization millions of years ago. (ancient origins)
It has been proven that the first humans on earth started from Africa and migrated all over the world. I know this may be a hard pill to swallow but you should do a DNA analysis so that you know how much African is in you. I personally would like to add to the findings here that possibly the neanderthal people were a close enough match to human and mated to make some of the variations of Europeans.
Has any research shown where the Mongols came into contact with the disease?
Interesting article.
Just one comment about the statemnt “The death of a god poses an interesting deviant from the usual belief that gods are immortal and invincible”.
In the Greek pantheon, the god Pan was killed. Also a deviation from the norm.
I don’t want to offend you, but in Indigenous culture, people who suffer epilesy are percieved as individuals who have the ability to become the tribal shaman or medicine person who works in the spirit world to make the necessary transformations in the spirit world so that the good can manifest into physical reality and disharmony can be transformed to harmony in the physical world. If you were living in an Indigenous tribe your epilepsy might be seen as a sign and a gift, instead of being viewed as a disabling illness the way it is percieved in Western Society. I am sorry to hear you had a stroke. We all perceive the world differently, I know shamans that see full body people that have been ancestors in the past and they communicate with the ancestors in the spirit world. What you would see as psychopathology and hallucinations would be seen as a gift not a disease in different cultures.
Are there any photos available of Kwäday Dän Ts'ìnchi's remains? For some reason I have been unable to find any. Thank you.
Following on from your economic theory, these widows, some of whom were old, often became a drain on village resources, which were scarce and expensive, and so accusing them of witchcraft - something which most people did believe in back then - may have been a way to alleviate the struggle of the rest of the village.
However, as I've said, people truly believed in the power of witches and their intent to do evil deeds, the logical act for these people was to eradicate them. The Inquisition was actually quite good for people accused as they only sought the truth and were completely objective in their investigation.
I am absolutely certain am am not "tapping into the spirit world". These are things I can distinctly connect with my past, or things I was studying just before my stroke.
Hello,
This article is very interesting ! I'm working on a documentary about Oman, and I'm looking for information about the Shihus people. Could you contact me? lsauvajon[at]smartcutagency.com
Thanks a lot,
Lou
Hi Tagoold,
Thanks for the comment and I’m sorry to have taken so long to reply. This article has over 30’000 shares from this site alone and I have also tried to answer questions on other forums and Facebook pages so I have obviously missed many conversations, unfortunately.
I’ll take your points one by one, if that’s okay. The name Thoth is the Greek for Dhwty but the name in hieroglyphs remains the same. There are actually many variants of both ‘Dhwty’ and ‘Thoth’ in terms of spelling although it is difficult to know how the phonetic changes applied both geographically and culturally. Certainly, in terms of the article and Thoth’s relationship to Tuatha, the symbolic links stand up.
Bear in mind too that Thoth/ Dhwty is the Egyptian interpretation of a much earlier God/ Wisdom-giver dating further back into antiquity. For my hieroglyph interpretations, I used Budge’s translations which are not above criticism but have still to be bettered. He breaks down the symbols which Thoth/ Dhwty is represented by and translates those symbols into English equivalents. Each glyph has a number of meanings so the article tries to find the explanations that best represent the descriptions of the Tuatha De’s arrival in Ireland. Again, I think my translation is as strong as the 19th-century version which was decided by people without access to the information and context we have today. Until we invent a time-machine or discover some irrefutable proof, this will always be a matter of opinion.
The second point you make is one that I agree with and try to demonstrate in the article. Believe me, I have been a long time trying to demonstrate the Christian influence on Irish pagan and mythological tales. In fact, another point of contention is that even the Celtic influence is appropriation in many ways. Our stone circles and megaliths here in Ireland are thousands of years older than the Celts. A recent example of this misinformation was when a well-known American Pagan wrote about visiting a famous Irish monument and she poured honey and milk all over it because in Celtic stories this place was sacred to a particular Celtic Goddess! Trying to point out to this person that the monument has nothing to do with the Celts was a futile exercise.
Taking your third and fourth points together, trade is definitely a perfect reason for people from the Fertile Crescent to move up through Europe. The article doesn’t dispute that at all, in fact in the case of the beads found at Tara I would say this is a very likely explanation. That said, with trade comes mixing, both culturally and in terms of belief. DNA evidence leaves no argument that people from Africa, the Fertile Crescent and Eastern Europe were in Ireland around 3’500 BCE.
From my perspective and in light of the newest evidence, the Egyptians themselves came out of Anatolia at some point as evidenced by the Hathor connections so the Fertile crescent region was definitely one of the stages for Indo-European origins. I would be an advocate of the out of Africa hypothesis, personally, so if we go back roughly 60’000 years the movement from eastern Africa up through Europe and Asia would be the origin point, long-term.
I hope this helps clarify my thinking.
David.
Hi, Abhilasha.
Thanks for the comment. Bear in mind that Gobekli Tepi/ Tepe is of a much earlier date. It would be my own view that people moved upwards from Anatolia and into the Fertile Crescent and on through Europe. That’s not to say there weren’t already people there before then.
If the out of Africa hypothesis is correct then it also allows for movement from the opposite direction as well. That is, arriving in America, at places like Monte Verde in Chile from 30’000 BCE and moving upwards, crossing through Canada and into Northern Europe. The level of glaciation would dictate the journey, of course.
The Indians are right. The White Man has became atheist and does not believe in the truth. And speaks with forked tongue of the serpent. There were giants and contact with beings from space. These were Fallen Angels which produced offspring of the serpent called Nephilim or giants in Mesopotamia at Babel where they tried to recreate the PreFlood civilization.
I was a member of the Inland Archaeological Society California and was fascinated by the connections between American native rock art and pictographs that contained symbolism taken from Babel. People were scattered throughout the earth after their language was changed at Babel and carried their religion with them, the worship of the sun 666, moon and earth as the Mother Goddess.
I am not surprised that Chief Joseph had Babylonian inscriptions. The Star People are Fallen Angels and produced offspring in Mesopotamia before the earth was divided in a second major worldwide cataclysm in the Days of Peleg about 2000 BC. This is where they were trying to recreate the first civilization, an advanced civilization destroyed by a worldwide Flood before that in 2347 BC.
This is not a myth, evolution is a myth.
For documentation see my books Mysteries of History Revealed Part 1 & Part 2
Also I noticed you mention the Star Gates which are Megalithic sites created by the giants like Stonehenge where the Spirits of Demons and Fallen Angels contact men.
Are you sure your not tapping into the spirit world?
Did you bring mosquito rappellent?
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