I like your analogy of the 12 blind guys describing an elephant ..Yeah we are all different ain't we ...
different brain configuration different chemicals in different balances,,lacking this to much of that ...thats what makes us the individuals that we are ...Hate and violence seems to be a somewhat domineering human trait in much of our population ..If we had 6 guys peaking on acid in a pitch black closet with butcher knives do you think the out come would be peaceful and non violent ??
How was the hill explored ? All of it ? It is massive on the outside, geez, it Must be gigantic down there. Use ground penetrating radar ? I do gather arch's know its a vast complex down there.. I will wager about anything I own, that tomb robbers did Not reach far enough at all, to get to the real artifacts :)
Keep us arch fans in the loop on this one :) How much money does it take to explore the whole thing ? Hope someone can respond.
The world if full of ancient mysteries ..far to many to list here ..It's a fascinating subject ....
there are literally thousands of huge stone circles in Africa that baffle people studying them It's just everywhere and I think there is so much more to find ..lots of sunken cities to be found lurking in the oceans of the world ...It just goes on and on ..kinda over whelming to consider the amount of work that has gone on to create all these fantastic places ...the city of petra is fantastic ...to name one
The Kailashnath Temple in Maharashtra, India ...is another ...
When compared to some of the worlds past cultures, dynasties and empires which possessed ocean going technology that are known to have existed in antiquity, and assuming perhaps even some so ancient they are now utterly forgotton to the memory of mankind,
Your comment good sir just seems to much like a Space Gordon adventure, not sure if it's an overactive sci-fi imagination or to much acid in the old days. I've never really bought into the theory that the site was buried by the creators of this massive site...the logistics of this massive undertaking just does not seem possible or probable ..more likely it was some planetary natural disaster that occurred some 12,000 years ago...which makes more sense ....People like to buy into these fantastic theories like that of the Heaven's Gate so called religious cult ...when back in 1997 39 members of this group committed suicide in order to reach the ET. space ship that was following the Comet Hale–Bopp. .... However we are all individuals with different thoughts and opinions and thats what makes these types of discussions interesting ...
Probably the most famous case of royal insanity was Juana (also Johnna) of Castile, the sister of Katherine of Aragon, the first wife of Henry the VIII. Although Juana had a few episodes of insanity growing up, she totally lost it when her husband, Philip the handsome, died. She kept his coffin with her for years until she was finally imprisoned in Tordesillas castle until her death. Supposedly, she also had an aunt that was confined to her room because of insanity, though I can’t recall her name off the top of my head.
You’re correct in your claim. The Church has a long history of ururping the ancient gods and their holy places. I guess it made sense since they were tryng to supplant the local ways with theirs. The stronger the resistence of the locals, the more intense the pressure to convert them. In some areas, the only way to do so was to absorb the gods and make them saints. The Church even added the strongest pagan rites into Church holidays. It’s sad to think of all the information that was lost along the way.
Now I've heard it all! Buddhism is in no way a satanic religion...yet I notice how fundamentalist Christians are constantly talking about demons and Satan. They are always saying that they are under constant demonic attack. Now tell me, which religion is satanic?
The whites depicted on the monument are interesting, especially the blond hair man placed on the sacrificial altar. Another interesting thing about the Vikings depicted in this monument is the hair style that appears to be braids or spiked. They recently found Viking coins from Ireland that shows that some Vikings braided their hair. This feature would correspond to the whites in the mural who appear to have braids tied on top of their heads, or hanging from their heads. See coins with Vikings wearing braids @: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3971912/How-did-Two-rare-Viking-coins-Northern-Ireland-time.html
Look at the righthand side of the mural. You will find what looks like four men attacking a temple. These men appear to have Viking garb. Three of the men appear to have beards and in their hands are weapons that appear to be axes. The hat on the heads of the men on top of the temple appear to have two horns?? One of the men on the lower level of the temple on the righthand side appears to be wearing a helmet.
No, he's actually right - not only that the Aztecs could not meet the Vikings (because of the time periods), these paintings aren't Aztec either. Chichen Itzá is a MAYAN city, not Aztec! And not only that - the temple was built about 1200 AD, so pretty long after the end of the Viking age. OK, they existed later too, but the times of those great expetidion were long gone - but let's put that aside, because:
The largest argument against that the painting represents Vikings captured by Mayans is the style of the depiction itself - the Vikings, European in origin (as you all know), would have been an absolutely fascinating sight for the Mayans and the depictions would feature that - beards, blond hair (at least by some of them), strange clothes, weapons and maybe even some heavy stylized horses would have been there, but no - there are just captured people with (peculiarly) un-European hairstyles, faces and ear shapes. Just remember how the Japanese depicted the first Portuguese and other Europeans they saw - almost ape like. Wouldn't the Mayans do something similar? The ships have no masts and sails either. You could argue that this is a depiction of an older conflict that none of the artists remembered personally - so wouldn't the depicted "enemies" be even more stylized? A drakkar or knarr would become a dragon or giant snake on the water, a Viking with metal sword and mail armour a monster. And here we see just some captured naked people - most likely just other native tribes or people from a village of another Mayan city state.
The only reason someone identifies those men as Vikings is their colour. That's nonsense! By that logic, the Mayan warriors should be brownish, not black! And Vikings weren’t red striped either! There are even Mayas depicted as white. What you see here, is just a method of either distinction of the warring parties (we are black, they are striped and those behind the corner would be blue or so), of different clothes or battle paints.
You are discussing age and empires - which is a dishonest or ignorant answer. You are trying to make the case that these peoples ONLY existed during their age and empire.
Simply not true.
The timeframe you gave for the Aztecs Empire is for just that....their empire, not their existence. That time period is for when they dominated. The Aztecs are Nahua peoples who migrated south into the region in the 6th century. So the Aztecs have technically been there since the 6th century. At least 100 years before the Viking AGE.
The Viking Age is a time period when Vikings were most active, not the time period when they existed.
Maybe, try not to be so eager to be snarky an arrogant next time.
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Aren't you the scholar.
The lines possibly petroglyphs are more likely caused by being moved by glaciers.
I like your analogy of the 12 blind guys describing an elephant ..Yeah we are all different ain't we ...
different brain configuration different chemicals in different balances,,lacking this to much of that ...thats what makes us the individuals that we are ...Hate and violence seems to be a somewhat domineering human trait in much of our population ..If we had 6 guys peaking on acid in a pitch black closet with butcher knives do you think the out come would be peaceful and non violent ??
How was the hill explored ? All of it ? It is massive on the outside, geez, it Must be gigantic down there. Use ground penetrating radar ? I do gather arch's know its a vast complex down there.. I will wager about anything I own, that tomb robbers did Not reach far enough at all, to get to the real artifacts :)
Keep us arch fans in the loop on this one :) How much money does it take to explore the whole thing ? Hope someone can respond.
The world if full of ancient mysteries ..far to many to list here ..It's a fascinating subject ....
there are literally thousands of huge stone circles in Africa that baffle people studying them It's just everywhere and I think there is so much more to find ..lots of sunken cities to be found lurking in the oceans of the world ...It just goes on and on ..kinda over whelming to consider the amount of work that has gone on to create all these fantastic places ...the city of petra is fantastic ...to name one
The Kailashnath Temple in Maharashtra, India ...is another ...
When compared to some of the worlds past cultures, dynasties and empires which possessed ocean going technology that are known to have existed in antiquity, and assuming perhaps even some so ancient they are now utterly forgotton to the memory of mankind,
Your comment good sir just seems to much like a Space Gordon adventure, not sure if it's an overactive sci-fi imagination or to much acid in the old days. I've never really bought into the theory that the site was buried by the creators of this massive site...the logistics of this massive undertaking just does not seem possible or probable ..more likely it was some planetary natural disaster that occurred some 12,000 years ago...which makes more sense ....People like to buy into these fantastic theories like that of the Heaven's Gate so called religious cult ...when back in 1997 39 members of this group committed suicide in order to reach the ET. space ship that was following the Comet Hale–Bopp. .... However we are all individuals with different thoughts and opinions and thats what makes these types of discussions interesting ...
I’m wondering if this is merely another case of a god/goddess known by another name, which was common in the pagan world
Probably the most famous case of royal insanity was Juana (also Johnna) of Castile, the sister of Katherine of Aragon, the first wife of Henry the VIII. Although Juana had a few episodes of insanity growing up, she totally lost it when her husband, Philip the handsome, died. She kept his coffin with her for years until she was finally imprisoned in Tordesillas castle until her death. Supposedly, she also had an aunt that was confined to her room because of insanity, though I can’t recall her name off the top of my head.
You’re correct in your claim. The Church has a long history of ururping the ancient gods and their holy places. I guess it made sense since they were tryng to supplant the local ways with theirs. The stronger the resistence of the locals, the more intense the pressure to convert them. In some areas, the only way to do so was to absorb the gods and make them saints. The Church even added the strongest pagan rites into Church holidays. It’s sad to think of all the information that was lost along the way.
I am a shipwreck Explorer and interested in early settlement of New Zealand
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rU-OjKK2_A&ab_channel=%28UK%29Myste...
It happened more than known in that time frame...The royals were not known for expanding their gene pool....
Now I've heard it all! Buddhism is in no way a satanic religion...yet I notice how fundamentalist Christians are constantly talking about demons and Satan. They are always saying that they are under constant demonic attack. Now tell me, which religion is satanic?
Interesting articles - thanks!
All you know is what you are told, so don't pretend your nonsense/gibberish actually means something.
The whites depicted on the monument are interesting, especially the blond hair man placed on the sacrificial altar. Another interesting thing about the Vikings depicted in this monument is the hair style that appears to be braids or spiked. They recently found Viking coins from Ireland that shows that some Vikings braided their hair. This feature would correspond to the whites in the mural who appear to have braids tied on top of their heads, or hanging from their heads. See coins with Vikings wearing braids @: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3971912/How-did-Two-rare-Viking-coins-Northern-Ireland-time.html
Look at the righthand side of the mural. You will find what looks like four men attacking a temple. These men appear to have Viking garb. Three of the men appear to have beards and in their hands are weapons that appear to be axes. The hat on the heads of the men on top of the temple appear to have two horns?? One of the men on the lower level of the temple on the righthand side appears to be wearing a helmet.
Pail jokes are on my bucket list.
No, he's actually right - not only that the Aztecs could not meet the Vikings (because of the time periods), these paintings aren't Aztec either. Chichen Itzá is a MAYAN city, not Aztec! And not only that - the temple was built about 1200 AD, so pretty long after the end of the Viking age. OK, they existed later too, but the times of those great expetidion were long gone - but let's put that aside, because:
The largest argument against that the painting represents Vikings captured by Mayans is the style of the depiction itself - the Vikings, European in origin (as you all know), would have been an absolutely fascinating sight for the Mayans and the depictions would feature that - beards, blond hair (at least by some of them), strange clothes, weapons and maybe even some heavy stylized horses would have been there, but no - there are just captured people with (peculiarly) un-European hairstyles, faces and ear shapes. Just remember how the Japanese depicted the first Portuguese and other Europeans they saw - almost ape like. Wouldn't the Mayans do something similar? The ships have no masts and sails either. You could argue that this is a depiction of an older conflict that none of the artists remembered personally - so wouldn't the depicted "enemies" be even more stylized? A drakkar or knarr would become a dragon or giant snake on the water, a Viking with metal sword and mail armour a monster. And here we see just some captured naked people - most likely just other native tribes or people from a village of another Mayan city state.
The only reason someone identifies those men as Vikings is their colour. That's nonsense! By that logic, the Mayan warriors should be brownish, not black! And Vikings weren’t red striped either! There are even Mayas depicted as white. What you see here, is just a method of either distinction of the warring parties (we are black, they are striped and those behind the corner would be blue or so), of different clothes or battle paints.
Just use logic...
Yes...
You are discussing age and empires - which is a dishonest or ignorant answer. You are trying to make the case that these peoples ONLY existed during their age and empire.
Simply not true.
The timeframe you gave for the Aztecs Empire is for just that....their empire, not their existence. That time period is for when they dominated. The Aztecs are Nahua peoples who migrated south into the region in the 6th century. So the Aztecs have technically been there since the 6th century. At least 100 years before the Viking AGE.
The Viking Age is a time period when Vikings were most active, not the time period when they existed.
Maybe, try not to be so eager to be snarky an arrogant next time.
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