Although I'm convinced this is a hoax, I do have to say that bronze lasts in salt water quite a long time. Bronze is a very corrosion resistant material, as it accumulates a microscopically thin layer of oxidation and eventually copper carbonate which protects the rest of the metal, unlike iron or steel which must me oiled to prevent rust.
That being said, bronze was replaced by iron 1000 years before the supposed age of this "site", and Romans used steel swords and iron for most other things - bronze was not a military material for the Romans. Additionally, this bronze "sword" is too short for a gladius or a typical bronze leaf-blade but 10-20 cm, so it's more of a dagger. A crappy dagger that's not even sharp. I suspect it's even tip-cast not hilt cast because it has such a fancy hilt (which would have to have been carved into stone in that shape first). Tip-cast swords are weaker and it's an early bronze age technique (3000 years ago!!!) - it allowed for fancy handles (not THAT fancy, though, as it still had to be functional when you swung it at someone's head or the likes) which were then covered in wood.
It's entirely flat, not even sharp (bronze can actually hold a decent edge if unused for hundreds of years - but this one wasn't even sharpened to begin with), and poorly made on the blade. For "ceremonial" it's pretty poor quality.
Also, bronze does hold up pretty well, but rarely *that* well. Most bronze blades are found in fragments.
So, to sum it all up, this makes no sense. Why would Romans come all this way? Why would they send legionnaires (without shields if you believe the dubious pictograph) all the way across prior to any good established contact, conquer nothing, and leave a sword as old to them as they are to us? They simply wouldn't.
True.. Proof of God then? A book isn't proof. What's stunning is that there are millions of tales worldwide of Alien visitors, yet not one of God. God didn't hand out copies of the 10 Commandments.
From an analysis of my X chromosome DNA, it appears that my direct maternal line of descent goes back in time to the Kalahari (or perhaps the Drakensberg escarpment from where the Bantu drove out earlier inhabitants as evidenced by rock paintings they left behind). My known European ancestry goes to six generations in the Northern Cape - Griqualand region. I expected the "Ëve" in my family tree to be Dutch or German but the report on the DNA analysis said that the early ancestor in Africa was of a group that was statistically too small to define. In the interests of science, and for my personal interest I would be happy to collaborate with genuine researchers by contributing the data on my DNA.
From an analysis of my X chromosome DNA, it appears that my direct maternal line of descent goes back in time to the Kalahari (or perhaps the Drakensberg escarpment from where the Bantu drove out earlier inhabitants as evidenced by rock paintings they left behind). My known European ancestry goes to six generations in the Northern Cape - Griqualand region. I expected the "Ëve" in my family tree to be Dutch or German but the report on the DNA analysis said that the early ancestor in Africa was of a group that was statistically too small to define. In the interests of science, and for my personal interest I would be happy to collaborate with genuine researchers by contributing the data on my DNA.
Please do not let this wackadoodle dig up our beautiful province. He is riding on Mr Blankenship and the Lagina Boys coat strings ....he is looking for his big break and money.... if you read up about J. Hutton Pulitzer or as i call him Mr. Wackadoodle....he is money hungry and just wants to exploit Nova Scotia nay way he can. He cares not for history just money. So please please please do not allow him to use Nova Scotia. Leave the shipwreck site alone let it be a grave yard like so many others around Nova Scotia.I don't see him wanting to explore the SS Atlantic site. He is just money hunger and wants fame.
Angkor is much older than currently believed. My research indicates an age of at least 12,000 years and possibly very much more.
This very old age is consistent with my findings for the extreme age of intelligent life on Earth, upwards of one billion years. See my black2tell blog for my research. Mr. Black.
I dove for 5 months on a 1601 Spanish shipwreck. We recovered lots of bronze artifacts that were in great shape for being on the bottom of the ocean for 400 years. Smaller iron pieces were completely corroded away. Gold was unblemished.
I wonder if there is a metaphorical meaning to this which maybe being re visited today with the influx of Muslim refugees. The children all but completely vanishing points to the future of the town or region that may have been under attack or invasion from the ottoman empire losing it's Christian heritage(children all being born to Muslim invaders) or used like Janusaries to eliminate the previous Christian heritage of the town or region invaded by The Ottoman Muslims.
What happens to metal in salt water? It all depends on the metal. Bronze (which the sword is obviously made of) is highly resistant to salt water corrosion:
"Bronze was especially suitable for use in boat and ship fittings prior to the wide employment of stainless steel owing to its combination of toughness and resistance to salt water corrosion" ( http://www.diffen.com/difference/Brass_vs_Bronze ).
Regardless of the potential authenticity of the sword, the fact that it was removed from the site with no archaeologicial surveying or documentation has already tainted any information it could have contained. It's now out of context.
Regardless of the potential authenticity of the sword, the fact that it was removed from the site with no archaeologicial surveying or documentation has already tainted any information it could have contained. It's now out of context.
To be blunt, if historical fact was never mixed with historical fiction then to pursue the former without the latter no facts would ever be scientifically proven. Let's all be honest, theoretically proven digs with all the archeological evidence in the world have been proven otherwise and so is the nature of evidencuary compilation. Will there ever be a definitave explanation for the first exploration of North America? Speculation abounds for one reason, we are a society of FIRSTS, first to buy silk, first to mint monetary coinage, first to build an atomic bomb, first to use it, first to go to the moon and so on....When the journey exceeds the excitement of the destination we are all entertained momentarily until the next 'best thing' comes along...we are all to blame for things like the History channel tries to provide...if you get your historical data from a tv show then I've some swampland in Florida for you!!!...if nothing else there is some entertainment for the more historical intelligent community as long as we all agree its like watching The Rock and Hulk Hogan attempt to beguile of us our plight hurtling through space if for only a moment.
Um...we KNOW North America was not "discovered" in 1492. And it's not "suggested" that Vikings made it here before Columbus. It's been proven. L'anse aux meadows in Newfoundland is a confirmed viking settlement dating to 1000 A.D. It was discovered in 1960 and is recognized as a UNESCO world heritage site. DOI!!
Sure, it is the work of Dr. Allan Mills. So? Let's accept that, that could happen to "stain" or "discolor" a cloth-- seems OK for all I know*. But that's not the problem is it?
They think that they try to get around the draping/distortion problem by having the means of image-making rising vertically. That does not solve the problem at all. Cloth touching your cheek near your ear accepting some stain or image vertically would be in only a few threads less distorted.
Again, it brings up even more problems besides not solving the width distortion problem (that the authors also noted plus the cloth fold issues which I haven't even bothered to bring up.) Cloth draped at even a modist 45 degrees, falling over the sides of the face, if the image making 'gas' was rising virtically, would be at an angle to the cloth and you'd see staining on the sides of threads more than on the higher sides whereas staining from the nose/chin/forhead would be evenly distributed left/right on the threads. But... who cares? The 'face' would look comically wide, which it does not. So I don't mean that as "another nail" I mean it to point out the lack of rigor of anyone proposing this 'virtical' solution--it hardly strikes me as a sincere proposition.
* I'm well aware of singlet oxygen--it's always looking for an electron to steal, and when it does, it causes damage to whatever it took the electron from. That's great if it's your immune system killing a bad guy--not so good when it's healthy tissue. Using anti-oxidant for anti-aging has been around in popular/layman health literature for decades, popularized in the Dirk Person/Sany Shaw book "Life Extension."
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Although I'm convinced this is a hoax, I do have to say that bronze lasts in salt water quite a long time. Bronze is a very corrosion resistant material, as it accumulates a microscopically thin layer of oxidation and eventually copper carbonate which protects the rest of the metal, unlike iron or steel which must me oiled to prevent rust.
That being said, bronze was replaced by iron 1000 years before the supposed age of this "site", and Romans used steel swords and iron for most other things - bronze was not a military material for the Romans. Additionally, this bronze "sword" is too short for a gladius or a typical bronze leaf-blade but 10-20 cm, so it's more of a dagger. A crappy dagger that's not even sharp. I suspect it's even tip-cast not hilt cast because it has such a fancy hilt (which would have to have been carved into stone in that shape first). Tip-cast swords are weaker and it's an early bronze age technique (3000 years ago!!!) - it allowed for fancy handles (not THAT fancy, though, as it still had to be functional when you swung it at someone's head or the likes) which were then covered in wood.
It's entirely flat, not even sharp (bronze can actually hold a decent edge if unused for hundreds of years - but this one wasn't even sharpened to begin with), and poorly made on the blade. For "ceremonial" it's pretty poor quality.
Also, bronze does hold up pretty well, but rarely *that* well. Most bronze blades are found in fragments.
So, to sum it all up, this makes no sense. Why would Romans come all this way? Why would they send legionnaires (without shields if you believe the dubious pictograph) all the way across prior to any good established contact, conquer nothing, and leave a sword as old to them as they are to us? They simply wouldn't.
True.. Proof of God then? A book isn't proof. What's stunning is that there are millions of tales worldwide of Alien visitors, yet not one of God. God didn't hand out copies of the 10 Commandments.
Aliens? I mean, just because there is no proof that Aliens were involved, does not necessarily mean that they were not involved.
They were correct in realizing the timeline is off, and that forty is symbolic. It means many.
They were right about the Egyptian Moses. He was a pharoah/high priest at Heliopolis.
They were wrong about the rest, because they were looking in the wrong place and time for the first exodus.
From an analysis of my X chromosome DNA, it appears that my direct maternal line of descent goes back in time to the Kalahari (or perhaps the Drakensberg escarpment from where the Bantu drove out earlier inhabitants as evidenced by rock paintings they left behind). My known European ancestry goes to six generations in the Northern Cape - Griqualand region. I expected the "Ëve" in my family tree to be Dutch or German but the report on the DNA analysis said that the early ancestor in Africa was of a group that was statistically too small to define. In the interests of science, and for my personal interest I would be happy to collaborate with genuine researchers by contributing the data on my DNA.
From an analysis of my X chromosome DNA, it appears that my direct maternal line of descent goes back in time to the Kalahari (or perhaps the Drakensberg escarpment from where the Bantu drove out earlier inhabitants as evidenced by rock paintings they left behind). My known European ancestry goes to six generations in the Northern Cape - Griqualand region. I expected the "Ëve" in my family tree to be Dutch or German but the report on the DNA analysis said that the early ancestor in Africa was of a group that was statistically too small to define. In the interests of science, and for my personal interest I would be happy to collaborate with genuine researchers by contributing the data on my DNA.
Please do not let this wackadoodle dig up our beautiful province. He is riding on Mr Blankenship and the Lagina Boys coat strings ....he is looking for his big break and money.... if you read up about J. Hutton Pulitzer or as i call him Mr. Wackadoodle....he is money hungry and just wants to exploit Nova Scotia nay way he can. He cares not for history just money. So please please please do not allow him to use Nova Scotia. Leave the shipwreck site alone let it be a grave yard like so many others around Nova Scotia.I don't see him wanting to explore the SS Atlantic site. He is just money hunger and wants fame.
Angkor is much older than currently believed. My research indicates an age of at least 12,000 years and possibly very much more.
This very old age is consistent with my findings for the extreme age of intelligent life on Earth, upwards of one billion years. See my black2tell blog for my research. Mr. Black.
I dove for 5 months on a 1601 Spanish shipwreck. We recovered lots of bronze artifacts that were in great shape for being on the bottom of the ocean for 400 years. Smaller iron pieces were completely corroded away. Gold was unblemished.
A Dutch kids program for television taught kids about some folklore about the Irish fairies. Quite entertaining. Nice article.
I wonder if there is a metaphorical meaning to this which maybe being re visited today with the influx of Muslim refugees. The children all but completely vanishing points to the future of the town or region that may have been under attack or invasion from the ottoman empire losing it's Christian heritage(children all being born to Muslim invaders) or used like Janusaries to eliminate the previous Christian heritage of the town or region invaded by The Ottoman Muslims.
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It found off the coast of Oak Island. What makes you think it was freshwater?
What happens to metal in salt water? It all depends on the metal. Bronze (which the sword is obviously made of) is highly resistant to salt water corrosion:
"Bronze was especially suitable for use in boat and ship fittings prior to the wide employment of stainless steel owing to its combination of toughness and resistance to salt water corrosion" ( http://www.diffen.com/difference/Brass_vs_Bronze ).
Regardless of the potential authenticity of the sword, the fact that it was removed from the site with no archaeologicial surveying or documentation has already tainted any information it could have contained. It's now out of context.
Regardless of the potential authenticity of the sword, the fact that it was removed from the site with no archaeologicial surveying or documentation has already tainted any information it could have contained. It's now out of context.
To be blunt, if historical fact was never mixed with historical fiction then to pursue the former without the latter no facts would ever be scientifically proven. Let's all be honest, theoretically proven digs with all the archeological evidence in the world have been proven otherwise and so is the nature of evidencuary compilation. Will there ever be a definitave explanation for the first exploration of North America? Speculation abounds for one reason, we are a society of FIRSTS, first to buy silk, first to mint monetary coinage, first to build an atomic bomb, first to use it, first to go to the moon and so on....When the journey exceeds the excitement of the destination we are all entertained momentarily until the next 'best thing' comes along...we are all to blame for things like the History channel tries to provide...if you get your historical data from a tv show then I've some swampland in Florida for you!!!...if nothing else there is some entertainment for the more historical intelligent community as long as we all agree its like watching The Rock and Hulk Hogan attempt to beguile of us our plight hurtling through space if for only a moment.
this isn't in salt water this is freshwater !
Um...we KNOW North America was not "discovered" in 1492. And it's not "suggested" that Vikings made it here before Columbus. It's been proven. L'anse aux meadows in Newfoundland is a confirmed viking settlement dating to 1000 A.D. It was discovered in 1960 and is recognized as a UNESCO world heritage site. DOI!!
Sure, it is the work of Dr. Allan Mills. So? Let's accept that, that could happen to "stain" or "discolor" a cloth-- seems OK for all I know*. But that's not the problem is it?
They think that they try to get around the draping/distortion problem by having the means of image-making rising vertically. That does not solve the problem at all. Cloth touching your cheek near your ear accepting some stain or image vertically would be in only a few threads less distorted.
Again, it brings up even more problems besides not solving the width distortion problem (that the authors also noted plus the cloth fold issues which I haven't even bothered to bring up.) Cloth draped at even a modist 45 degrees, falling over the sides of the face, if the image making 'gas' was rising virtically, would be at an angle to the cloth and you'd see staining on the sides of threads more than on the higher sides whereas staining from the nose/chin/forhead would be evenly distributed left/right on the threads. But... who cares? The 'face' would look comically wide, which it does not. So I don't mean that as "another nail" I mean it to point out the lack of rigor of anyone proposing this 'virtical' solution--it hardly strikes me as a sincere proposition.
* I'm well aware of singlet oxygen--it's always looking for an electron to steal, and when it does, it causes damage to whatever it took the electron from. That's great if it's your immune system killing a bad guy--not so good when it's healthy tissue. Using anti-oxidant for anti-aging has been around in popular/layman health literature for decades, popularized in the Dirk Person/Sany Shaw book "Life Extension."
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