Actually, you are in fact wrong which is only normal since you assume a common fallacy that the climate of Europe, or Greece for that matter, was the same as it was today.
In reality, the climate of Greece back then was alien to now... It was harshly super-cold and ruthless and Africa was the promise land of fruits, milk and honey where humans could evolve, not an arid hot savanna as today. Climate changed VERY much from then.
Heck, Poulianos was actually never been exposed to scientific method and all he does is downplaying FACT with idiotically and illogically ridiculous PSEUDOSCIENCE he farted from top of his head while using a very very undoubtfully incorrect and factually flawed method.
As for the gentleman here who is gigantically omni-retarded to confuse that the other highly intelligent gentleman is making "allegations" I actually remind him that negative claims CAN'T be assumed or be allegations in any shape or form and that he needs to realize that throwing words from a thesaurus or a dictionary is not enough... Unfortunently, nothing he claimed makes any sense whatsoever.
Actually, the man in fact ADMITTED the fact that Poulianos is in fact a delusional pathetic pseudoscientist who is too dumb to differ between evidence and myths. Poulianos was "educated" by the early 20th century Modern Greek system... therefore he was predetermined to be an utterly delusional pseudoscientist.
Even my mother's books from 80's are filled with flaws and deluded blithering pseudoscience... Greece didn't follow the Western method of education and went pissing on her legos and messing with them until recently like it was their own world.
Prior to farming, the peoples of the norther latitudes were dark skinned because they were getting enough vitamin D from plants and animals who, in turn, synthesized vitamin D directly. When peoples from the south and east arrived, and brought with them farming (and their DNA), the hunters and gatherers of the region became farmers; as a result,- and over time - eastern and southern DNA and farming replace the old way of living. Peoples now in the norther latitude (Europe, for instance) became exclusively farmers (no Vitamin D from plants and animals) and the alleles for white skin became dominant to extract as much vitamin D from the sun as possible.
Original purpose of religion is the easist for me to do, its present purpose I would need to write a book… or ten. You have to go as far back in time as we have been able to peer to catch the odd glimpse of religion in its formative state. The first words we can refer to come in cuneiform, hieroglyphics, Mayan glyphs, Shang dragon bones, etc. Otherwise, it’s from prehistory archaeologists answers to this deep, primal question are forth coming.
Right now the thinking is, roughly; Tribes of hunter/gatherers turned to farming and stopped following game. They stayed in one area and built permanent structures in small villages. Towns formed for self protection. (part of warfare hypothesis) Safety and excess food production allowed free time to create. Shamans turned into priests, chiefs to kings. Towns grew into cities, small temples into componds… etc.
Religion evolved with the cities. Many argue it was the genus of cities. When digging under the Ziggurat of Ur a much more ancient sacred building was found. This structure was left in place as the Ziggurat grew over it. Over the next millennia it was built over many times. As the city grew bigger so did its religious component. What was first in Ur… religious structure or a small village?
Gobekli Tempi and Stonehenge archaeology is starting to suggest another path for early cultural complexity. That is; people got together in large groups to socialize, feast/party, and trade. Permanent structures to mark a ceremonial, sacred area were built. Hunter/gatherers started farming around these areas to support the big events of the year. (seeded the ground for harvest when they returned) People stayed to care for the plants, towns developed… I call this the “Party Hypothesis”.
A shaman was present from the first. Zoning problem, go see the chief. Problem with your wife, go see the shaman. When others come to you for help/advice it gives you status, influence, power. The chief and the shaman become the king and priest, two poles of a now familiar power structure. These two grew up from infancy together. Both held onto their power as cities grew into states and empires. Kingship is easy to understand but why religion? Is it a cultural matrix? For humanity, can complex society be stable enough to begin without it? If so is this still true today? (Kingship is now greatly diminished and society can easily survive without it)
No matter where they were located the first cities had organized religion. Was a first city possible without it? If not then, originally, religion’s purpose was to hold the group together, group cohesion, unity.
The native north americans have similar legends of small humanoids called the Pukwudgies. However, I believe the Puks weren't spirits, but were actual flesh and blood little creatures.
Actually the concept of "End Times" isn't anything new. But the Ragnarok may be really a christian spin. We don't know how much of the Ragnarok is invented by the christains and how much of it is original nordic belief content.
I've always wondered if the Lyonesse Legend is a dim memory handed down of the sinking of Doggerland or the flooding of a lot of land in what is now the English Channel both happened after the last Ice Age some 6 to 6500 years ago.
An archaeological site free of typical items of everyday life or ritualistic activities is usually associated with looting, but that's probably not the case here. In fact, even swift abandonment would likely leave evidence in terms of things left behind. This leads me to think that this place was deliberately maintain in a clean, minimal circumstance: after periodic use—whether for religious ceremonies or political meetings—everything portable to make the establishment habitable, comfortable, and functional was taken away on the same boats that brought it for whatever purpose. That would make the compound worthless to looters or even squatters since it would require quite a bit of ambition by the occasional intruders to get there.
I recommend a look at the works of Svante Pääbo.
Lastest studies have given proof of Neanderthal-DNA being part of today's people's gene-pool - at least all people outside africa. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svante_Pääbo
Actually the most ancient veneration of the serpent as a symbol of human godliness and enlightenment was done by Ancient Bulgarian zhretsi / priests of God SebAzi of the human soul. Ancient Bulgarian zhretsi used to hold snakes with bear hands during their spiritual rituals and they also used to throw those snakes up, to rotate them and dance with snakes in their hands. Snakes are believd attributes of God Sebazi, ancient Bulgarian God whose name means exactly this: God of the Internal Light the Human Soul. Ancient Bulgarian zhretsi were wise men and women who knew how to master animals and to control them. In addition to that they used to wear snakes heads, skins as well as other animal masks, wings while performing their spiritual rituals. From then spread the cult to the feathered serpent, the sphinx and other gods with animals and birds attributes. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=680686468717646&set=a.313566...
That is right and it goes further back, Ralph. I see Karla in the comments on part two has some good points. The oldest record is in the cuneiform texts with Ishtar going through the seven gates of hell to get Tammuz back. It is in the Old Testament also with the women crying for Tammuz. I'm positive this goes back to when the comet hit the Earth 13Kyrs. ago and killed off the mammoth and blotted out the Sun. The comet came out of the constellation of Taurus and is still known as the Taurid Stream which is commemorated as Halloween and the Festival of the Dead (as in the death from the Deluge), this is why the bull is represented in the story as far back as Gobekli Tepe. The seven gates, the grapes (as Karla points out), and the mistletoe that kills Baldr (the Sun) are the small cluster of the Pleiades on the Apis Bulls back for example which is how the constellation is and the radiant point of the Taurid Stream emanates from this point to this day. Some say that this radiant point processes, but Mankind's traditions say otherwise. I wrote a book about this subject, at the moment I'm trying to redo the whole thing in html so that it will become an ebook, but don't hold your breath the learning curve is terrible. Anyone willing to give me some pointers would be greatly appreciated.
Please provide the ‘proof’ that Science has provided that these blocks were quarried and laid by the Romans. I’ve researched arguments for and against, as in Hancock’s latest work on the matter, and I’m afraid to say that the proofs and logical assessment he provides far outweighs that of current accepted archeaological dogma. Have you actually read any of his work Canuck? The only proof academia provides to support Roman excavation of these blocks is that it ‘fits’ in their immoveable and infallable construct of ancient history. Zero additional enquiry required apparently – No YDB global cataclysm that could have wiped out an advanced civilisation capable of working with rocks like this.
The reason Hancock, Bauval, West etc will never be accepted by the scientific community has nothing to do with the scientific method and everything to do with years and years of dogmatic spoon-feeding in certain scholarly circles that academics have been forced to endure. In a time when the true scientific method of calculated enquiry is required, it is sorely missed. There are many, many examples where ‘fringe science’ has become real science. I’ll happily summarise Hancock’s findings at Baalbek here for you (and others commenting here) if you haven’t actually read his full hypothesis.
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The stone shown in the first diagram is not the largest.
The largest stone is figure 4, which has me standing on it. And the diagram is mislabeled too, because the two stones are not in the same quarry and the Stone of the Pregnant Woman is the smaller of the two. This is why you should visit the areas you are writing about. (Nobody seems to visit the second quarry.)
Incidentally, I think the name is derived from Mother Earth and her lithic child. The stone is only attached to the Earth by an 'umbilical cord', as if it is a child of Mother Earth.
And we know that these massive stones are not Roman, because there are clearly two building eras at Baalbek. Take a look at the following image, which is in one of the tunnels under the temple platform. There is a megalithic era at the bottom, and Roman stonework above. So how long did it take to erode the megalithic structure down, before the Romans built a new layer above? Thousands of years, obviously. See K2, Quest of the Gods.
The Green Man was an image of Osiris, who was always green. And often green with vegetation (the Osiris bed). But they could not portray Osiris in a Christian church, so they made the Green Man imagery. ..... There are more secrets within Christianity, than within Masonry.
You write:
"Her real name was Mayor Fernández de Cámara y Pita but for unknown reasons she's known as Maria. There are a few theories connected with her name; but the most probable explanation is that she’s remembered by her sister’s name".
His name is "María Mayor" which refers to the first church built in the world in honor of St. Mary, in Rome. In Spanish is so right call "Mayor", as call "María".
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Actually, you are in fact wrong which is only normal since you assume a common fallacy that the climate of Europe, or Greece for that matter, was the same as it was today.
In reality, the climate of Greece back then was alien to now... It was harshly super-cold and ruthless and Africa was the promise land of fruits, milk and honey where humans could evolve, not an arid hot savanna as today. Climate changed VERY much from then.
Heck, Poulianos was actually never been exposed to scientific method and all he does is downplaying FACT with idiotically and illogically ridiculous PSEUDOSCIENCE he farted from top of his head while using a very very undoubtfully incorrect and factually flawed method.
As for the gentleman here who is gigantically omni-retarded to confuse that the other highly intelligent gentleman is making "allegations" I actually remind him that negative claims CAN'T be assumed or be allegations in any shape or form and that he needs to realize that throwing words from a thesaurus or a dictionary is not enough... Unfortunently, nothing he claimed makes any sense whatsoever.
Actually, the man in fact ADMITTED the fact that Poulianos is in fact a delusional pathetic pseudoscientist who is too dumb to differ between evidence and myths. Poulianos was "educated" by the early 20th century Modern Greek system... therefore he was predetermined to be an utterly delusional pseudoscientist.
Even my mother's books from 80's are filled with flaws and deluded blithering pseudoscience... Greece didn't follow the Western method of education and went pissing on her legos and messing with them until recently like it was their own world.
I know cuz I am Greek.
Prior to farming, the peoples of the norther latitudes were dark skinned because they were getting enough vitamin D from plants and animals who, in turn, synthesized vitamin D directly. When peoples from the south and east arrived, and brought with them farming (and their DNA), the hunters and gatherers of the region became farmers; as a result,- and over time - eastern and southern DNA and farming replace the old way of living. Peoples now in the norther latitude (Europe, for instance) became exclusively farmers (no Vitamin D from plants and animals) and the alleles for white skin became dominant to extract as much vitamin D from the sun as possible.
Original purpose of religion is the easist for me to do, its present purpose I would need to write a book… or ten. You have to go as far back in time as we have been able to peer to catch the odd glimpse of religion in its formative state. The first words we can refer to come in cuneiform, hieroglyphics, Mayan glyphs, Shang dragon bones, etc. Otherwise, it’s from prehistory archaeologists answers to this deep, primal question are forth coming.
Right now the thinking is, roughly; Tribes of hunter/gatherers turned to farming and stopped following game. They stayed in one area and built permanent structures in small villages. Towns formed for self protection. (part of warfare hypothesis) Safety and excess food production allowed free time to create. Shamans turned into priests, chiefs to kings. Towns grew into cities, small temples into componds… etc.
Religion evolved with the cities. Many argue it was the genus of cities. When digging under the Ziggurat of Ur a much more ancient sacred building was found. This structure was left in place as the Ziggurat grew over it. Over the next millennia it was built over many times. As the city grew bigger so did its religious component. What was first in Ur… religious structure or a small village?
Gobekli Tempi and Stonehenge archaeology is starting to suggest another path for early cultural complexity. That is; people got together in large groups to socialize, feast/party, and trade. Permanent structures to mark a ceremonial, sacred area were built. Hunter/gatherers started farming around these areas to support the big events of the year. (seeded the ground for harvest when they returned) People stayed to care for the plants, towns developed… I call this the “Party Hypothesis”.
A shaman was present from the first. Zoning problem, go see the chief. Problem with your wife, go see the shaman. When others come to you for help/advice it gives you status, influence, power. The chief and the shaman become the king and priest, two poles of a now familiar power structure. These two grew up from infancy together. Both held onto their power as cities grew into states and empires. Kingship is easy to understand but why religion? Is it a cultural matrix? For humanity, can complex society be stable enough to begin without it? If so is this still true today? (Kingship is now greatly diminished and society can easily survive without it)
No matter where they were located the first cities had organized religion. Was a first city possible without it? If not then, originally, religion’s purpose was to hold the group together, group cohesion, unity.
The native north americans have similar legends of small humanoids called the Pukwudgies. However, I believe the Puks weren't spirits, but were actual flesh and blood little creatures.
Actually the concept of "End Times" isn't anything new. But the Ragnarok may be really a christian spin. We don't know how much of the Ragnarok is invented by the christains and how much of it is original nordic belief content.
I've always wondered if the Lyonesse Legend is a dim memory handed down of the sinking of Doggerland or the flooding of a lot of land in what is now the English Channel both happened after the last Ice Age some 6 to 6500 years ago.
Am interested in any ET archaeology and any quite-old 100,000 + BCE Earth archaeology & anthropology
An archaeological site free of typical items of everyday life or ritualistic activities is usually associated with looting, but that's probably not the case here. In fact, even swift abandonment would likely leave evidence in terms of things left behind. This leads me to think that this place was deliberately maintain in a clean, minimal circumstance: after periodic use—whether for religious ceremonies or political meetings—everything portable to make the establishment habitable, comfortable, and functional was taken away on the same boats that brought it for whatever purpose. That would make the compound worthless to looters or even squatters since it would require quite a bit of ambition by the occasional intruders to get there.
I recommend a look at the works of Svante Pääbo.
Lastest studies have given proof of Neanderthal-DNA being part of today's people's gene-pool - at least all people outside africa.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svante_Pääbo
Actually the most ancient veneration of the serpent as a symbol of human godliness and enlightenment was done by Ancient Bulgarian zhretsi / priests of God SebAzi of the human soul. Ancient Bulgarian zhretsi used to hold snakes with bear hands during their spiritual rituals and they also used to throw those snakes up, to rotate them and dance with snakes in their hands. Snakes are believd attributes of God Sebazi, ancient Bulgarian God whose name means exactly this: God of the Internal Light the Human Soul. Ancient Bulgarian zhretsi were wise men and women who knew how to master animals and to control them. In addition to that they used to wear snakes heads, skins as well as other animal masks, wings while performing their spiritual rituals. From then spread the cult to the feathered serpent, the sphinx and other gods with animals and birds attributes. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=680686468717646&set=a.313566...
That is right and it goes further back, Ralph. I see Karla in the comments on part two has some good points. The oldest record is in the cuneiform texts with Ishtar going through the seven gates of hell to get Tammuz back. It is in the Old Testament also with the women crying for Tammuz. I'm positive this goes back to when the comet hit the Earth 13Kyrs. ago and killed off the mammoth and blotted out the Sun. The comet came out of the constellation of Taurus and is still known as the Taurid Stream which is commemorated as Halloween and the Festival of the Dead (as in the death from the Deluge), this is why the bull is represented in the story as far back as Gobekli Tepe. The seven gates, the grapes (as Karla points out), and the mistletoe that kills Baldr (the Sun) are the small cluster of the Pleiades on the Apis Bulls back for example which is how the constellation is and the radiant point of the Taurid Stream emanates from this point to this day. Some say that this radiant point processes, but Mankind's traditions say otherwise. I wrote a book about this subject, at the moment I'm trying to redo the whole thing in html so that it will become an ebook, but don't hold your breath the learning curve is terrible. Anyone willing to give me some pointers would be greatly appreciated.
I wish there was an upvote function on the commentary here at Ancient Origins
Please provide the ‘proof’ that Science has provided that these blocks were quarried and laid by the Romans. I’ve researched arguments for and against, as in Hancock’s latest work on the matter, and I’m afraid to say that the proofs and logical assessment he provides far outweighs that of current accepted archeaological dogma. Have you actually read any of his work Canuck? The only proof academia provides to support Roman excavation of these blocks is that it ‘fits’ in their immoveable and infallable construct of ancient history. Zero additional enquiry required apparently – No YDB global cataclysm that could have wiped out an advanced civilisation capable of working with rocks like this.
The reason Hancock, Bauval, West etc will never be accepted by the scientific community has nothing to do with the scientific method and everything to do with years and years of dogmatic spoon-feeding in certain scholarly circles that academics have been forced to endure. In a time when the true scientific method of calculated enquiry is required, it is sorely missed. There are many, many examples where ‘fringe science’ has become real science. I’ll happily summarise Hancock’s findings at Baalbek here for you (and others commenting here) if you haven’t actually read his full hypothesis.
.
The stone shown in the first diagram is not the largest.
The largest stone is figure 4, which has me standing on it. And the diagram is mislabeled too, because the two stones are not in the same quarry and the Stone of the Pregnant Woman is the smaller of the two. This is why you should visit the areas you are writing about. (Nobody seems to visit the second quarry.)
Incidentally, I think the name is derived from Mother Earth and her lithic child. The stone is only attached to the Earth by an 'umbilical cord', as if it is a child of Mother Earth.
And we know that these massive stones are not Roman, because there are clearly two building eras at Baalbek. Take a look at the following image, which is in one of the tunnels under the temple platform. There is a megalithic era at the bottom, and Roman stonework above. So how long did it take to erode the megalithic structure down, before the Romans built a new layer above? Thousands of years, obviously. See K2, Quest of the Gods.
See the image of the tunnel on the facebook page.
https://www.facebook.com/ancientoriginsweb/posts/1146503478723928
Ralph
this was soopoopy it was unrealistic
The Green Man was an image of Osiris, who was always green. And often green with vegetation (the Osiris bed). But they could not portray Osiris in a Christian church, so they made the Green Man imagery. ..... There are more secrets within Christianity, than within Masonry.
https://magazinecrew.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/osiris-tomb-of-nefertar...
Sorry: ¡Her name...! :)
You write:
"Her real name was Mayor Fernández de Cámara y Pita but for unknown reasons she's known as Maria. There are a few theories connected with her name; but the most probable explanation is that she’s remembered by her sister’s name".
His name is "María Mayor" which refers to the first church built in the world in honor of St. Mary, in Rome. In Spanish is so right call "Mayor", as call "María".
I think it may be a date palm
Thanks Liz. Didn’t see your message until after I Googled it which led me back to the AO page! I also posted the link.
Mike
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