Manhattan was bought, and also where other colonies, from the locals.
The Dutch culture back than was Reformation. The New Netherlands project discovered that freed slaves would live there also. The Netherlands had the Dutch United East India Company as a military tool during the 80-Year war against Roman Catholics, that controlled Spain and Portugal back than. In that way, is can not be compared to current Multinationals, because the United East India Company was working on orders of a government, that had freed itself from a multinational Tyranny by romanists.
Also, remember that Plato is recounting events from 9000 years before his own time, so his stories cant be taken as literal as they are History Passed Down through Word unlike written history. Pluto just happened to write what he heard. But one has to think in bigger context to understand what happened on earth 12-13000 years ago. Thanks to new discoveries in science evidence of GLOBAL cataclysmic 12-13000 years is becoming reality and not only did it wipe of many animals it also wiped out a past advanced civilization that spread across the planet.
Isn't it already proven that the rapid rise of the world's sealevels was because two extremely huge lakes in the what's now called North America's broke through their basis borders? Dumping most of their water into the seas?
I get that you would point out Gobleki Tepe, Baalbek, Gizeh, etc :)
Although I don't think it was one and the same civilization.
It's like today. We all (Americans, Europeans, Asians, etc) have more or less the same technology at our disposal, but we are not all and the same civilization. (Maybe we have a different interpretation of label 'civilization' here I just realized, but bare with me..)
So is it too far fetched that ~12.000 BC the then ruling civilizationS were at their pinnacle (or close to) of development? Making it so that all the different civilizations had the same technological background (like we have today) which resulted in the same kind of building techniques used in different area's of the world? I mean, like today we all build skyscrapers. Although they look different from the outside, the way we build these structures is more or less the same.
This could also go for the structures made all that time ago.
Raises the question how those people actually managed to relay their knowledge to eachother, but that's a story for a different time ;)
I DO believe though that at least the great Pyramid of Gizeh pre-dates the Egyptians quite a while, as well as the Sphinx. Both being a remnant of the advanced civilizations the Atlanteans were a example of.
I could it be that the Atlanteans (in this case the civilization that lived on the now-submerged island) were even the ones who put both there! *mindboggling*
Now, the 1st thing to do imho is to get a submersible to that 'sunken' island and start digging!
Who know's what we'll find :D
Keep in mind that this cataclysm between 13000-1200 years ago (younger Dryus) was basically caused by meteor impacts followed by one thousand years of nuclear winter followed by huge global floods due to rapid warming after the nuclear winter, being that earth was already at the end of an ice age. Therefor what or whomever humans survived the initial impact and than the floods went into pure survival mode and history was reset and forgotten and than civilization resettled itself in the plains of Mesopotamia some 5-6000 years later (4000BC) in what we think is the cradle of civilization
It fits perfectly actually. Pluto learned about Atlantis from his grandfather which in turned learned about it from the Mystery Schools of Egypt. There he learned that Egyptian King list goes back like 100 thousand years. One doesn't have to look to far....Just look at the ruins of Balbek in Lebanon or Peru or Pyramids in China or Bosnia, or underwater ruins all around the world, newly discovered megaliths in Turkey dating back to 10000 years as well as ruins found in Russia and south America....these ruins show Structures that we can barley build today spread across the planet with the same building techniques....which shows a Pr-Cataclysmic Atalantian Civilization with Advanced Building techniques in some cases evidence of Electrical Saws to Cut Granite.....Unfortunately this article about Atlantis just SUCKS and would be good for a super beginner in this field.
Atlantis was not an island, it was a global civilization and its evidence is clear by the remains of megalithic structures found all around the world, from Peru to Egypt to Japan and Turkey and many many other sites. This Global 'Atlantian' Civilization seems to have been wiped of the planet by a huge cataclysm about 12-13000 years ago, the same event that made the saber tooth tiger and mammoth elephant extinct. It seems that this civilization could have thrived for thousands of years before this cataclysmic.
I think you just nailed it!
I spent the last two hours going through all pages already translated and, despite the psychological contextualization, it lacks the awesomeness of someone trying to describe unknown things, hesitating with advanced concepts.
I do feel some behavioural pattern of his age the author transfers incounsciently to characters from the 4th Millennium.
Not a bad reading. Interesting for lovers of sci-fi literature. Not convincing at all.
And that's my opinion.
"... In the late 1960s, an archivist in the New York State Library made an astounding discovery: 12,000 pages of centuries-old correspondence, court cases, legal contracts, and reports from a forgotten society: the Dutch colony centered on Manhattan, which predated the thirteen “original” American colonies. For the past thirty years scholar Charles Gehring has been translating this trove, which was recently declared a national treasure. Now, Russell Shorto has made use of this vital material to construct a sweeping narrative of Manhattan’s founding that gives a startling, fresh perspective on how America began.
In an account that blends a novelist’s grasp of storytelling with cutting-edge scholarship, The Island at the Center of the World strips Manhattan of its asphalt, bringing us back to a wilderness island—a hunting ground for Indians, populated by wolves and bears—that became a prize in the global power struggle between the English and the Dutch. Indeed, Russell Shorto shows that America’s founding was not the work of English settlers alone but a result of the clashing of these two seventeenth century powers. In fact, it was Amsterdam—Europe’s most liberal city, with an unusual policy of tolerance and a polyglot society dedicated to free trade—that became the model for the city of New Amsterdam on Manhattan. While the Puritans of New England were founding a society based on intolerance, on Manhattan the Dutch created a free-trade, upwardly-mobile melting pot that would help shape not only New York, but America. ..."
From: Russel Shorto: The island at the center of the World.
More about the Dutch origins of New York (and the US for that matter): newnetherlandinstitute .org
The evidence is in Homer's books. The best historians have always commented on their northern origin.
A Club Med Troy is the result of pseudo archaeologists and later geopolitics of British Greeceballs. If you use the books as travel guides in the Med you will get wrecked. But they are extremely accurate and detailed locators for the Baltic area. Our ultimate cultural origins are in the north. Ancient Greece inherited this and passed it to us. Read Felice Vinci's 'The Baltic Origins of Homer's Epic Tales.
Are there pics on line of this tapestry ? would like to see the whole thing. Is it displayed longated out, so one can walk along and view whole thing ? if so, where ? there a web site ?
Does it show the crab nebula explosion ? of 1054. Is it's material made of silk ?
I personally believe that Ay was a convenient villain to blame for Tutankhamen's death. Looking at all the inbreeding that was going on in Egyptian royal families, it is the more likely and logical explanation for the young king's early demise.
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Oh please don't use as fact that you know giant don't exist because it is a belief not a fact by the way.
There is some good photography and report in well established journal and there was no photoshop program in 1850 that I know about. Even Some renowned scholar signed the report, which gives some credibility to them.
Pls Explain to me, what is so obvious in that regard? I would myself more likely use dubious, but, they cannot deny that the story is there and they are an interesting case.
I have a question for the specialist, it is often said in those reports that the bone crumble after unearthing them, it is really convenient for a hoaxer but the reality, bone crumbles often after unearthing them ?
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Manhattan was bought, and also where other colonies, from the locals.
The Dutch culture back than was Reformation. The New Netherlands project discovered that freed slaves would live there also. The Netherlands had the Dutch United East India Company as a military tool during the 80-Year war against Roman Catholics, that controlled Spain and Portugal back than. In that way, is can not be compared to current Multinationals, because the United East India Company was working on orders of a government, that had freed itself from a multinational Tyranny by romanists.
Also, remember that Plato is recounting events from 9000 years before his own time, so his stories cant be taken as literal as they are History Passed Down through Word unlike written history. Pluto just happened to write what he heard. But one has to think in bigger context to understand what happened on earth 12-13000 years ago. Thanks to new discoveries in science evidence of GLOBAL cataclysmic 12-13000 years is becoming reality and not only did it wipe of many animals it also wiped out a past advanced civilization that spread across the planet.
Isn't it already proven that the rapid rise of the world's sealevels was because two extremely huge lakes in the what's now called North America's broke through their basis borders? Dumping most of their water into the seas?
I get that you would point out Gobleki Tepe, Baalbek, Gizeh, etc :)
Although I don't think it was one and the same civilization.
It's like today. We all (Americans, Europeans, Asians, etc) have more or less the same technology at our disposal, but we are not all and the same civilization. (Maybe we have a different interpretation of label 'civilization' here I just realized, but bare with me..)
So is it too far fetched that ~12.000 BC the then ruling civilizationS were at their pinnacle (or close to) of development? Making it so that all the different civilizations had the same technological background (like we have today) which resulted in the same kind of building techniques used in different area's of the world? I mean, like today we all build skyscrapers. Although they look different from the outside, the way we build these structures is more or less the same.
This could also go for the structures made all that time ago.
Raises the question how those people actually managed to relay their knowledge to eachother, but that's a story for a different time ;)
I DO believe though that at least the great Pyramid of Gizeh pre-dates the Egyptians quite a while, as well as the Sphinx. Both being a remnant of the advanced civilizations the Atlanteans were a example of.
I could it be that the Atlanteans (in this case the civilization that lived on the now-submerged island) were even the ones who put both there! *mindboggling*
Now, the 1st thing to do imho is to get a submersible to that 'sunken' island and start digging!
Who know's what we'll find :D
Keep in mind that this cataclysm between 13000-1200 years ago (younger Dryus) was basically caused by meteor impacts followed by one thousand years of nuclear winter followed by huge global floods due to rapid warming after the nuclear winter, being that earth was already at the end of an ice age. Therefor what or whomever humans survived the initial impact and than the floods went into pure survival mode and history was reset and forgotten and than civilization resettled itself in the plains of Mesopotamia some 5-6000 years later (4000BC) in what we think is the cradle of civilization
It fits perfectly actually. Pluto learned about Atlantis from his grandfather which in turned learned about it from the Mystery Schools of Egypt. There he learned that Egyptian King list goes back like 100 thousand years. One doesn't have to look to far....Just look at the ruins of Balbek in Lebanon or Peru or Pyramids in China or Bosnia, or underwater ruins all around the world, newly discovered megaliths in Turkey dating back to 10000 years as well as ruins found in Russia and south America....these ruins show Structures that we can barley build today spread across the planet with the same building techniques....which shows a Pr-Cataclysmic Atalantian Civilization with Advanced Building techniques in some cases evidence of Electrical Saws to Cut Granite.....Unfortunately this article about Atlantis just SUCKS and would be good for a super beginner in this field.
Atlantis as a Global civilization is a interesting premise! But doesn't really fit though.
Fun thought nevertheless! :)
Atlantis was not an island, it was a global civilization and its evidence is clear by the remains of megalithic structures found all around the world, from Peru to Egypt to Japan and Turkey and many many other sites. This Global 'Atlantian' Civilization seems to have been wiped of the planet by a huge cataclysm about 12-13000 years ago, the same event that made the saber tooth tiger and mammoth elephant extinct. It seems that this civilization could have thrived for thousands of years before this cataclysmic.
So.. when are they sending a sub down there to do some (re)searching? :D
I think you just nailed it!
I spent the last two hours going through all pages already translated and, despite the psychological contextualization, it lacks the awesomeness of someone trying to describe unknown things, hesitating with advanced concepts.
I do feel some behavioural pattern of his age the author transfers incounsciently to characters from the 4th Millennium.
Not a bad reading. Interesting for lovers of sci-fi literature. Not convincing at all.
And that's my opinion.
"... In the late 1960s, an archivist in the New York State Library made an astounding discovery: 12,000 pages of centuries-old correspondence, court cases, legal contracts, and reports from a forgotten society: the Dutch colony centered on Manhattan, which predated the thirteen “original” American colonies. For the past thirty years scholar Charles Gehring has been translating this trove, which was recently declared a national treasure. Now, Russell Shorto has made use of this vital material to construct a sweeping narrative of Manhattan’s founding that gives a startling, fresh perspective on how America began.
In an account that blends a novelist’s grasp of storytelling with cutting-edge scholarship, The Island at the Center of the World strips Manhattan of its asphalt, bringing us back to a wilderness island—a hunting ground for Indians, populated by wolves and bears—that became a prize in the global power struggle between the English and the Dutch. Indeed, Russell Shorto shows that America’s founding was not the work of English settlers alone but a result of the clashing of these two seventeenth century powers. In fact, it was Amsterdam—Europe’s most liberal city, with an unusual policy of tolerance and a polyglot society dedicated to free trade—that became the model for the city of New Amsterdam on Manhattan. While the Puritans of New England were founding a society based on intolerance, on Manhattan the Dutch created a free-trade, upwardly-mobile melting pot that would help shape not only New York, but America. ..."
From: Russel Shorto: The island at the center of the World.
More about the Dutch origins of New York (and the US for that matter): newnetherlandinstitute .org
Fascinating... will have to explore this hypothesis
The evidence is in Homer's books. The best historians have always commented on their northern origin.
A Club Med Troy is the result of pseudo archaeologists and later geopolitics of British Greeceballs. If you use the books as travel guides in the Med you will get wrecked. But they are extremely accurate and detailed locators for the Baltic area. Our ultimate cultural origins are in the north. Ancient Greece inherited this and passed it to us. Read Felice Vinci's 'The Baltic Origins of Homer's Epic Tales.
In response to Peter Bridge’s comment on 27 March 2016:
I always understood that Troy lay to the east of Greece not to the northwest...
Are there pics on line of this tapestry ? would like to see the whole thing. Is it displayed longated out, so one can walk along and view whole thing ? if so, where ? there a web site ?
Does it show the crab nebula explosion ? of 1054. Is it's material made of silk ?
I personally believe that Ay was a convenient villain to blame for Tutankhamen's death. Looking at all the inbreeding that was going on in Egyptian royal families, it is the more likely and logical explanation for the young king's early demise.
Beit Guvrin-Maresha National Park is a national park in central Israel, 13 kilometers from Kiryat Gat
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Oh please don't use as fact that you know giant don't exist because it is a belief not a fact by the way.
There is some good photography and report in well established journal and there was no photoshop program in 1850 that I know about. Even Some renowned scholar signed the report, which gives some credibility to them.
Pls Explain to me, what is so obvious in that regard? I would myself more likely use dubious, but, they cannot deny that the story is there and they are an interesting case.
I have a question for the specialist, it is often said in those reports that the bone crumble after unearthing them, it is really convenient for a hoaxer but the reality, bone crumbles often after unearthing them ?
like the dinosaur bones found worldwide and ancient Egyptian stuff and all of that jazz
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