....if this dating is correct and the skull is an ancestor of neanderthals, then it could still be an ancestor - or cousin to an ancestor - of modern humans since many DNA tests reveal modern humans today are walking around with between 1 and 3 percent of their DNA being neanderthal, and some people even a marginally higher percentage. So still important in discussion of what part of us is out of africa and how much of us originates from elsewhere, like, say, caves in ancient greece or france or russia... still a find to note as important to the evolution of humans and evolution of DNA theory.
I am an amateur and a member of a team who have been working on the Indus script for almost 30 years. We are using a homemade tool to study the Indus signs, we do not use the computer except for power-point presentation. We have studied the 'fish; sign in the Indus script and found that it does not represent the fish, but represents WOMEN of various social status in the Indus script. The similarity between the two is striking. After reading TV Mcdowell's comments I was shocked at his observation that who ever had written the rongorongo script were in dire mortal distress and according to me were going to be killed. This is amazing! Our observation of the Indus script hardly expresses violence and the signs inscribed appears to be those of a homely people involved in productivity and a peaceful way of life. It is not impossible that the Indus people when they were at the height of their achievements were attacked by unknown races who destroyed the Indus civilization and annihilated it. Those who escaped recorded the ghastly events and left it for posterity unaware that no one would be able to read it. T V Mcdowell could be right in his observation that the impression of impending doom and domination by unknown people is portrayed by the rongorongo script. The texts of the Indus script hardly portray any kind of violence. The Sumerians who were referred to as the 'black -headed ones' or the 'watchers' or people from a faraway land in the east or 'heaven' or the 'nephilims' were undoubtedly the migrants from the Indus valley after it was destroyed. A small group escaped southward and finally reached the Easter Island.This may be the truth. Thank you T V Mcdowell for your excellent view.
I am an amateur and a member of a team who have been working on the Indus script for almost 30 years. We are using a homemade tool to study the Indus signs, we do not use the computer except for power-point presentation. We have studied the 'fish; sign in the Indus script and found that it does not represent the fish, but represents WOMEN of various social status in the Indus script. The similarity between the two is striking. After reading TV Mcdowell's comments I was shocked at his observation that who ever had written the rongorongo script were in dire mortal distress and according to me were going to be killed. This is amazing! Our observation of the Indus script hardly expresses violence and the signs inscribed appears to be those of a homely people involved in productivity and a peaceful way of life. It is not impossible that the Indus people when they were at the height of their achievements were attacked by unknown races who destroyed the Indus civilization and annihilated it. Those who escaped recorded the ghastly events and left it for posterity unaware that no one would be able to read it. T V Mcdowell could be right in his observation that the impression of impending doom and domination by unknown people is portrayed by the rongorongo script. The texts of the Indus script hardly portray any kind of violence. The Sumerians who were referred to as the 'black -headed ones' or the 'watchers' or people from a faraway land in the east or 'heaven' or the 'nephilims' were undoubtedly the migrants from the Indus valley after it was destroyed. A small group escaped southward and finally reached the Easter Island.This may be the truth. Thank you T V Mcdowell for your excellent view.
The iron was sourced from Germany according to isotope tests. Not middle eastern technology.
The Ulberht sword was probably made by Christians. It has a Frankish name engraved on it in Latin alphabet with a cross.
Wootz steel and "Damascus steel" predate Islam by centuries, but there seems to be an unwritten rule that nobody give Hindus credit for anything.
"Their discovery, which will be published this week in the Journal of Archeology Science Reports, sheds new light on the oldest, most northern Spanish settlement in the Americas, built to thwart French exploration into the New World."
On the East Coast perhaps but see as Spain's territory in the west went hundreds of miles north of Parris Island, SC this is an outrageously false statement. Even Los Angeles is north of Parris Island. A wildly inaccurate claim. Get an editor for Pete's sake.
THere is an old Daniel Boone tv show showing an elephant boneyard in context with a story about the Underground Tailroad. SLaves hid out there. The bone and ivory was exported abroad, especially to China, and went to local industries like button making as well.
@Amjad Hussain,
I think you are quite right on this. The Milky Way is mythically mentioned as The Celestial River in the night Sky, and the Milky Way arms represents the celestial 4 rivers of creation, which are connected to the Milky Way center = The central Garden of Eden = The Creation.
From this center, everything in the MIlk yWay is created and pushed out in the galactic surroundings = The biblical Expulsion from the Eden center of Creation.
That is: Our Solar System was once created in the Milky Way center as one huge glowing and spinning sphere which divided out into planets from where the moons again divided out from their mother planets, hence their locked orbital motions. All this can be deduced from the numerous cultural Stories of Creation.
Probably this symbol could represent the 4 rivers as mentioned in the genesis about the eden? It could be the 4 stages of yugas as mentioned in vedas, the symbol can be placed on the image of our milkyway and youll find that the center point of intersection is where all suns are swallowed by the black hole, but the remaining 4 lines on that images you can presume to be 4 ages in one cycle. And it can also be a symbol of the first civilization who created earth? The actual knowledge of this symbol was already destroyed by the crusaders by burning books in 11th century. So all we can do is mear speculation and count all probabilities for our understanding purpose.
Is there any way this could be used as some sort of gauge for some type of rod / pipe? Possibly used by the "plumbers", or builders of the many aqueduct systems from that time
1.Yes, all of those verses seem to be saying “actions have consequences”. Is that all that karma is? I thought it was rather more specific than that...i.e., that what you sow in this life will be reaped in the next, in the “eye-for-an-eye” type of low justice.
1. - It is both "all it is," and also specific to the extremity, i.e. both are one and the same thing if you take the overall interpretations from the various spiritual paths that have karma and reincarnation. And make no mistake, both ARE tied inextricably together, there cannot be one that is in any way effective without the other also existing in tandem with the previous. What you sow in this life is NOT necessarily reaped in the next however, it can only be said that it WILL be reaped at some point, and when that might occur is very dependent on that Soul's spiritual progress. This idea is also found in the paths that contain karma/reincarnation in them. The purpose for both is to eventually learn and expand the state of consciousness or being into the Eternal state, that NOT being or becoming a god or God, but rather Soul realizing Its own Godlike natural state, It being an "atom" of that supreme Being if you will. Of course any who refuse to carry that idea as even a possibility will not be forced to accept it, but at the same time not utilizing it can be a wall that can be very hard to experience the other side of without first letting go of the mental and emotional states that exist within each of us. Also the " 'eye for an eye' type of low justice," is a misnomer. The term justice is another one of those mental limits. While it is a form of justice, it is not one that is forced upon any individual, because the fact remains that that original choice the individual made, created the karma in question, and the fact that it even exists at all creates the necessity of it being eventually brought to a balanced state, meaning a state where it no longer exists as an imbalance. Regardless of any beings within any spiritual hierarchy existing and causing it to manifest in the individual's life, there is the fact that they made a free willed choice to create it for themselves, and by doing that also created the need for that particular lesson to be learned so as to bring about that balanced state. It is no "low" justice, it is the literal choice the individual made for themselves. By their own choosing, they required themselves to learn a lesson by the "eye for an eye" low justice, either unknowingly, which clearly demonstrates the need for that type of lesson, or fully knowingly, which in most cases causes that lesson to be ever mar harsh when the time comes for that price to be collected. Within all systems of karma/reincarnation, the negative and painful experiences that any has to go through, they have chosen to go through willingly. It is as simple as that.
2.Either way, you make a good argument. Like I said, I do not dispute that early Christians believed in reincarnation of some kind. I do have my doubts about karma, but that does not mean early Christians didn't believe in it. And I do not think a belief in reincarnation automatically means a belief in karma. The Gnostics seemed to believe we reincarnate here over and over because we're trapped in a crappy wannabe universe made by the Demiurge, a being who falsely claims to be the universal soul or God. The Karmic system implies a hierarchy of spirit, where the definitions of what is good and bad come from the top in some way, for the betterment of all. The Demiurge is not a good guy and doesn't want betterment, he wants us to stay trapped in his clockwork universe. (That’s my rough summary of Gnostic cosmology, anyway, lol)
2. - I outlined the reason for karma/reincarnation being attached to each other, and while you may disagree about that (which is fine) I will not belabor the point ad nauseum having covered it in the previous paragraph. As for the Gnostic's beliefs, we would have need of being more specific than that, as there have been many differing groups that considered themselves to be Gnostics, so we cannot use that term without also specifying which group is meant, because they did not necessarily all agree on the same points between groups in differing countries or geographic areas. The Demiurge is the Negative pole called by many names around the world. To the Jews Satan is the Adversary, to the Christians he is a fallen angel....I view both as very much the same concept. To Muslims he is Iblis. To Zoroastrians he is Ahriman (and it is notable that the Jews got their religion FROM the Zoroastrians while enslaved for many generations in Babylon) and to the Hindus there is no one evil being, and Jainism sees things the same way while Buddhism calls it Māra, sometimes speaking of that as an individual being, but etymologically speaking it has its roots in life, death, and worldly living. The Sikhs name it as Kal Niranjan defining that as being the Universal Mind, which claims to be God but is merely of the mind and therefore not a Divinity. The way they define it is very similar to the Demiurge to the Jews and Gnostics as a being that has the job of testing Souls and teaching them to aspire to ever higher levels of beingness. It is for this reason that the idea of karma/reincarnation are able to fit so well into the Abrahamic faiths, despite the fact that all of them have in the current age completely denied any connection as ever having existed and making any who believe in it a heretic, which btw is simply another mental distinction or box to separate people into which proves it impossible to be an idea that any Supreme Being would lower Itself into having exist. It is a distinction of the human mind that brought that into being and it has nothing to do with any spiritual systems or religions other than to say that human created it and placed it within those systems.
3.Also, don't some of the eastern beliefs in reincarnation say you might reincarnate as any kind of life form? And this is also connected to karma in some way...like if I was just generally a sh**ty person in this life, I might be reincarnated as a dung beetle the next couple of times, or something like that.
3. - Eastern religions DO include the possibility that one CAN reincarnate as something other than a human, however, generally speaking they set it out in such a way that it becomes self-evident that the Soul began as a mineral i.e. the lowest and most basic form of being that a Soul can inhabit, that then goes through existences as being microorganisms, germs, plants, fish, birds and animals eventually arriving into a human body it being supposedly the highest form of life, BUT, it is important to mention that while they all see humanity as being the highest form, it is still nothing more than a potential of greatness and spirituality until any individual does the work to actually attain it and be able to live in balance WITH the rest of humanity, which is no small task being that humanity often wars over differing beliefs and spiritual systems. Now, a sh*tty human doing sh*tty things repeatedly WOULD create karma for them, however, it would NOT cause them to be born as a dung beetle because how can a dung beetle be aware of the state of its life and also the better state of the former life that they chose to give up? It can't. Thus human offenses have the necessity of being brought as life circumstances to human beings, because they can become aware of why it is happening to them, and that they literally chose it for themselves, and only then can any degree of learning happen that that individual can then make changes in the way they see things and the ways that they interact with other life forms on earth. Understand? Of course I am saying all of this for the benefit of you understanding what I mean, and am not insisting that you change your spiritual beliefs or anything, as such matters are yours alone to decide what to do with. I have only tried to explain these ideas in a way that is easy to understand, and hopefully I have succeeded...ty for asking and giving me this opportunity to have this discussion!
Thanks for your comment. The article has been updated to reflect the several sources which cite the early Christian Biblical references to reincarnation. Please see references at the end of the article.
No ones got close enough to see chisel marks or other fine details that need to get close to see them.
I believe it is man made, yet why there ? I again bet it is a marker for a burial or treasure. What else would its purpose be ? Ancients always did things for reasons, unlike us today who do all kinds of things for the hell of it. Someone could be lowered in with a helicopter to at least get up close once...
Yes, all of those verses seem to be saying “actions have consequences”. Is that all that karma is? I thought it was rather more specific than that...i.e., that what you sow in this life will be reaped in the next, in the “eye-for-an-eye” type of low justice.
Either way, you make a good argument. Like I said, I do not dispute that early christians believed in reincarnation of some kind. I do have my doubts about karma, but that does not mean early christians didn't believe in it. And I do not think a belief in reincarnation automatically means a belief in karma. The gnostics seemed to believe we reincarnate here over and over because we're trapped in a crappy wannabe universe made by the Demiurge, a being who falsely claims to be the universal soul or God. The Karmic system implies a hierarchy of spirit, where the definitions of what is good and bad come from the top in some way, for the betterment of all. The Demiurge is not a good guy and doesn't want betterment, he wants us to stay trapped in his clockwork universe. (That’s my rough summary of Gnostic cosmology, anyway, lol)
Also, don't some of the eastern beliefs in reincarnation say you might reincarnate as any kind of life form? And this is also connected to karma in some way...like if I was just generally a sh**ty person in this life, I might be reincarnated as a dung beetle the next couple of times, or something like that.
I like Ancient Origins, I read the articles here with a good amount of skepticism, but I still enjoy it. However, this article has significantly undermined my confidence in Ancient Origins’ articles overall. I expect some minimal amount of accountability and professionalism in Ancient Origin’s articles and this one is severely lacking.
On most articles I can’t speak, since I am not an expert in the field – but on this topic I am familiar (not an expert) – and this article is unconscionably misleading. :-(
I don’t have a problem with Ancient Origins posting articles that criticize Christianity or that provide information on “hidden” Christianity – but I do hope and expect that these articles will mention sources…
For example, this statement, “According to many specialists in the Bible, there are many examples which promote the belief that reincarnation was well known and a fully accepted fact for early Christians.” is completely unsourced. I am sure there are a few experts who have suggested such, but there certainly are not many.
Ms. Klimczak – I hope you will consider rewriting your article. If you truly have these many expert sources, show us them. Also, please do some more work on the way you are interpreting Scriptures as supporting reincarnation – I don’t think they mean what you think they mean. :-(
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....if this dating is correct and the skull is an ancestor of neanderthals, then it could still be an ancestor - or cousin to an ancestor - of modern humans since many DNA tests reveal modern humans today are walking around with between 1 and 3 percent of their DNA being neanderthal, and some people even a marginally higher percentage. So still important in discussion of what part of us is out of africa and how much of us originates from elsewhere, like, say, caves in ancient greece or france or russia... still a find to note as important to the evolution of humans and evolution of DNA theory.
I am an amateur and a member of a team who have been working on the Indus script for almost 30 years. We are using a homemade tool to study the Indus signs, we do not use the computer except for power-point presentation. We have studied the 'fish; sign in the Indus script and found that it does not represent the fish, but represents WOMEN of various social status in the Indus script. The similarity between the two is striking. After reading TV Mcdowell's comments I was shocked at his observation that who ever had written the rongorongo script were in dire mortal distress and according to me were going to be killed. This is amazing! Our observation of the Indus script hardly expresses violence and the signs inscribed appears to be those of a homely people involved in productivity and a peaceful way of life. It is not impossible that the Indus people when they were at the height of their achievements were attacked by unknown races who destroyed the Indus civilization and annihilated it. Those who escaped recorded the ghastly events and left it for posterity unaware that no one would be able to read it. T V Mcdowell could be right in his observation that the impression of impending doom and domination by unknown people is portrayed by the rongorongo script. The texts of the Indus script hardly portray any kind of violence. The Sumerians who were referred to as the 'black -headed ones' or the 'watchers' or people from a faraway land in the east or 'heaven' or the 'nephilims' were undoubtedly the migrants from the Indus valley after it was destroyed. A small group escaped southward and finally reached the Easter Island.This may be the truth. Thank you T V Mcdowell for your excellent view.
I am an amateur and a member of a team who have been working on the Indus script for almost 30 years. We are using a homemade tool to study the Indus signs, we do not use the computer except for power-point presentation. We have studied the 'fish; sign in the Indus script and found that it does not represent the fish, but represents WOMEN of various social status in the Indus script. The similarity between the two is striking. After reading TV Mcdowell's comments I was shocked at his observation that who ever had written the rongorongo script were in dire mortal distress and according to me were going to be killed. This is amazing! Our observation of the Indus script hardly expresses violence and the signs inscribed appears to be those of a homely people involved in productivity and a peaceful way of life. It is not impossible that the Indus people when they were at the height of their achievements were attacked by unknown races who destroyed the Indus civilization and annihilated it. Those who escaped recorded the ghastly events and left it for posterity unaware that no one would be able to read it. T V Mcdowell could be right in his observation that the impression of impending doom and domination by unknown people is portrayed by the rongorongo script. The texts of the Indus script hardly portray any kind of violence. The Sumerians who were referred to as the 'black -headed ones' or the 'watchers' or people from a faraway land in the east or 'heaven' or the 'nephilims' were undoubtedly the migrants from the Indus valley after it was destroyed. A small group escaped southward and finally reached the Easter Island.This may be the truth. Thank you T V Mcdowell for your excellent view.
Why doesn't anyone take videos or even document with pictures from these dig sites. It's frustrating.
The iron was sourced from Germany according to isotope tests. Not middle eastern technology.
The Ulberht sword was probably made by Christians. It has a Frankish name engraved on it in Latin alphabet with a cross.
Wootz steel and "Damascus steel" predate Islam by centuries, but there seems to be an unwritten rule that nobody give Hindus credit for anything.
"Their discovery, which will be published this week in the Journal of Archeology Science Reports, sheds new light on the oldest, most northern Spanish settlement in the Americas, built to thwart French exploration into the New World."
On the East Coast perhaps but see as Spain's territory in the west went hundreds of miles north of Parris Island, SC this is an outrageously false statement. Even Los Angeles is north of Parris Island. A wildly inaccurate claim. Get an editor for Pete's sake.
I read one of Mr. Sitchin's books. It was so full of scientific errors that I wrote him off completely as an authority on anything.
Googlesearch french cathedrals images
To believe that early humans could not build boats and colonize along the coast as they traveled is blind to what humans have always done.
THere is an old Daniel Boone tv show showing an elephant boneyard in context with a story about the Underground Tailroad. SLaves hid out there. The bone and ivory was exported abroad, especially to China, and went to local industries like button making as well.
@Amjad Hussain,
I think you are quite right on this. The Milky Way is mythically mentioned as The Celestial River in the night Sky, and the Milky Way arms represents the celestial 4 rivers of creation, which are connected to the Milky Way center = The central Garden of Eden = The Creation.
From this center, everything in the MIlk yWay is created and pushed out in the galactic surroundings = The biblical Expulsion from the Eden center of Creation.
That is: Our Solar System was once created in the Milky Way center as one huge glowing and spinning sphere which divided out into planets from where the moons again divided out from their mother planets, hence their locked orbital motions. All this can be deduced from the numerous cultural Stories of Creation.
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Probably this symbol could represent the 4 rivers as mentioned in the genesis about the eden? It could be the 4 stages of yugas as mentioned in vedas, the symbol can be placed on the image of our milkyway and youll find that the center point of intersection is where all suns are swallowed by the black hole, but the remaining 4 lines on that images you can presume to be 4 ages in one cycle. And it can also be a symbol of the first civilization who created earth? The actual knowledge of this symbol was already destroyed by the crusaders by burning books in 11th century. So all we can do is mear speculation and count all probabilities for our understanding purpose.
Is there any way this could be used as some sort of gauge for some type of rod / pipe? Possibly used by the "plumbers", or builders of the many aqueduct systems from that time
The glyphs are proably from the ice age.
1.Yes, all of those verses seem to be saying “actions have consequences”. Is that all that karma is? I thought it was rather more specific than that...i.e., that what you sow in this life will be reaped in the next, in the “eye-for-an-eye” type of low justice.
1. - It is both "all it is," and also specific to the extremity, i.e. both are one and the same thing if you take the overall interpretations from the various spiritual paths that have karma and reincarnation. And make no mistake, both ARE tied inextricably together, there cannot be one that is in any way effective without the other also existing in tandem with the previous. What you sow in this life is NOT necessarily reaped in the next however, it can only be said that it WILL be reaped at some point, and when that might occur is very dependent on that Soul's spiritual progress. This idea is also found in the paths that contain karma/reincarnation in them. The purpose for both is to eventually learn and expand the state of consciousness or being into the Eternal state, that NOT being or becoming a god or God, but rather Soul realizing Its own Godlike natural state, It being an "atom" of that supreme Being if you will. Of course any who refuse to carry that idea as even a possibility will not be forced to accept it, but at the same time not utilizing it can be a wall that can be very hard to experience the other side of without first letting go of the mental and emotional states that exist within each of us. Also the " 'eye for an eye' type of low justice," is a misnomer. The term justice is another one of those mental limits. While it is a form of justice, it is not one that is forced upon any individual, because the fact remains that that original choice the individual made, created the karma in question, and the fact that it even exists at all creates the necessity of it being eventually brought to a balanced state, meaning a state where it no longer exists as an imbalance. Regardless of any beings within any spiritual hierarchy existing and causing it to manifest in the individual's life, there is the fact that they made a free willed choice to create it for themselves, and by doing that also created the need for that particular lesson to be learned so as to bring about that balanced state. It is no "low" justice, it is the literal choice the individual made for themselves. By their own choosing, they required themselves to learn a lesson by the "eye for an eye" low justice, either unknowingly, which clearly demonstrates the need for that type of lesson, or fully knowingly, which in most cases causes that lesson to be ever mar harsh when the time comes for that price to be collected. Within all systems of karma/reincarnation, the negative and painful experiences that any has to go through, they have chosen to go through willingly. It is as simple as that.
2.Either way, you make a good argument. Like I said, I do not dispute that early Christians believed in reincarnation of some kind. I do have my doubts about karma, but that does not mean early Christians didn't believe in it. And I do not think a belief in reincarnation automatically means a belief in karma. The Gnostics seemed to believe we reincarnate here over and over because we're trapped in a crappy wannabe universe made by the Demiurge, a being who falsely claims to be the universal soul or God. The Karmic system implies a hierarchy of spirit, where the definitions of what is good and bad come from the top in some way, for the betterment of all. The Demiurge is not a good guy and doesn't want betterment, he wants us to stay trapped in his clockwork universe. (That’s my rough summary of Gnostic cosmology, anyway, lol)
2. - I outlined the reason for karma/reincarnation being attached to each other, and while you may disagree about that (which is fine) I will not belabor the point ad nauseum having covered it in the previous paragraph. As for the Gnostic's beliefs, we would have need of being more specific than that, as there have been many differing groups that considered themselves to be Gnostics, so we cannot use that term without also specifying which group is meant, because they did not necessarily all agree on the same points between groups in differing countries or geographic areas. The Demiurge is the Negative pole called by many names around the world. To the Jews Satan is the Adversary, to the Christians he is a fallen angel....I view both as very much the same concept. To Muslims he is Iblis. To Zoroastrians he is Ahriman (and it is notable that the Jews got their religion FROM the Zoroastrians while enslaved for many generations in Babylon) and to the Hindus there is no one evil being, and Jainism sees things the same way while Buddhism calls it Māra, sometimes speaking of that as an individual being, but etymologically speaking it has its roots in life, death, and worldly living. The Sikhs name it as Kal Niranjan defining that as being the Universal Mind, which claims to be God but is merely of the mind and therefore not a Divinity. The way they define it is very similar to the Demiurge to the Jews and Gnostics as a being that has the job of testing Souls and teaching them to aspire to ever higher levels of beingness. It is for this reason that the idea of karma/reincarnation are able to fit so well into the Abrahamic faiths, despite the fact that all of them have in the current age completely denied any connection as ever having existed and making any who believe in it a heretic, which btw is simply another mental distinction or box to separate people into which proves it impossible to be an idea that any Supreme Being would lower Itself into having exist. It is a distinction of the human mind that brought that into being and it has nothing to do with any spiritual systems or religions other than to say that human created it and placed it within those systems.
3.Also, don't some of the eastern beliefs in reincarnation say you might reincarnate as any kind of life form? And this is also connected to karma in some way...like if I was just generally a sh**ty person in this life, I might be reincarnated as a dung beetle the next couple of times, or something like that.
3. - Eastern religions DO include the possibility that one CAN reincarnate as something other than a human, however, generally speaking they set it out in such a way that it becomes self-evident that the Soul began as a mineral i.e. the lowest and most basic form of being that a Soul can inhabit, that then goes through existences as being microorganisms, germs, plants, fish, birds and animals eventually arriving into a human body it being supposedly the highest form of life, BUT, it is important to mention that while they all see humanity as being the highest form, it is still nothing more than a potential of greatness and spirituality until any individual does the work to actually attain it and be able to live in balance WITH the rest of humanity, which is no small task being that humanity often wars over differing beliefs and spiritual systems. Now, a sh*tty human doing sh*tty things repeatedly WOULD create karma for them, however, it would NOT cause them to be born as a dung beetle because how can a dung beetle be aware of the state of its life and also the better state of the former life that they chose to give up? It can't. Thus human offenses have the necessity of being brought as life circumstances to human beings, because they can become aware of why it is happening to them, and that they literally chose it for themselves, and only then can any degree of learning happen that that individual can then make changes in the way they see things and the ways that they interact with other life forms on earth. Understand? Of course I am saying all of this for the benefit of you understanding what I mean, and am not insisting that you change your spiritual beliefs or anything, as such matters are yours alone to decide what to do with. I have only tried to explain these ideas in a way that is easy to understand, and hopefully I have succeeded...ty for asking and giving me this opportunity to have this discussion!
This is all very interesting.
I very much agree about that!
Thanks for your comment. The article has been updated to reflect the several sources which cite the early Christian Biblical references to reincarnation. Please see references at the end of the article.
No ones got close enough to see chisel marks or other fine details that need to get close to see them.
I believe it is man made, yet why there ? I again bet it is a marker for a burial or treasure. What else would its purpose be ? Ancients always did things for reasons, unlike us today who do all kinds of things for the hell of it. Someone could be lowered in with a helicopter to at least get up close once...
Yes, all of those verses seem to be saying “actions have consequences”. Is that all that karma is? I thought it was rather more specific than that...i.e., that what you sow in this life will be reaped in the next, in the “eye-for-an-eye” type of low justice.
Either way, you make a good argument. Like I said, I do not dispute that early christians believed in reincarnation of some kind. I do have my doubts about karma, but that does not mean early christians didn't believe in it. And I do not think a belief in reincarnation automatically means a belief in karma. The gnostics seemed to believe we reincarnate here over and over because we're trapped in a crappy wannabe universe made by the Demiurge, a being who falsely claims to be the universal soul or God. The Karmic system implies a hierarchy of spirit, where the definitions of what is good and bad come from the top in some way, for the betterment of all. The Demiurge is not a good guy and doesn't want betterment, he wants us to stay trapped in his clockwork universe. (That’s my rough summary of Gnostic cosmology, anyway, lol)
Also, don't some of the eastern beliefs in reincarnation say you might reincarnate as any kind of life form? And this is also connected to karma in some way...like if I was just generally a sh**ty person in this life, I might be reincarnated as a dung beetle the next couple of times, or something like that.
This is all very interesting.
Anyone build this pigeon to see if it would fly ? Like to see it :)
I like Ancient Origins, I read the articles here with a good amount of skepticism, but I still enjoy it. However, this article has significantly undermined my confidence in Ancient Origins’ articles overall. I expect some minimal amount of accountability and professionalism in Ancient Origin’s articles and this one is severely lacking.
On most articles I can’t speak, since I am not an expert in the field – but on this topic I am familiar (not an expert) – and this article is unconscionably misleading. :-(
I don’t have a problem with Ancient Origins posting articles that criticize Christianity or that provide information on “hidden” Christianity – but I do hope and expect that these articles will mention sources…
For example, this statement, “According to many specialists in the Bible, there are many examples which promote the belief that reincarnation was well known and a fully accepted fact for early Christians.” is completely unsourced. I am sure there are a few experts who have suggested such, but there certainly are not many.
Ms. Klimczak – I hope you will consider rewriting your article. If you truly have these many expert sources, show us them. Also, please do some more work on the way you are interpreting Scriptures as supporting reincarnation – I don’t think they mean what you think they mean. :-(
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