I'm no expert but first impressions, it looks very similar to Egyptian Hieroglyphs. Nb: note the upside down Pyramid?? So, suggesting it could be a board game looks feasible or perhaps a story. Interesting artifact.
"the tombs actually have nothing to do with the burial of anyone other than regular sized people from the Nuragic civilization"
Just wondering if you have ever visited Sardinia. If so, you will learn much by getting to know local people outside the regular guided tours. You will learn that the Catholic church has been involved for generations of removing the skeletons found in the graves and have built churches over many other graves. It is illegal to dig down over two meters before you are arrested if found doing so.
If you have solid evidence that only "regular" sized people (i.e.pictures) have been discovered in these graves, please provide. However, no pictures provided by the Catholic church will be acceptable.
Was that rightous outrage or are you being cheeky? I didn’t say anything about equality. I was stating that men and women are, in ways and by nature, well suited to different roles in the family and in the community.
It also shouldn't be a surprise that humans used to come in many more varieties than exist today, because the last global climate cataclysm, which marked the end of the most recent ice age, also coincided with the extinctions of over half the large mammal species living at that time. Humans qualify as large mammals, no doubt a lot of us were wiped out as well.
What did you just say...?? There are no distinctions or differences marring the shining uniform equality that exists between members of the proletariat.
Agreed! Along with a bunch of other "world-tree" mythologies from disparate cultures:
the Mongolian Modun, the Hindu Ashvattha, the Hungarian Világfa, the Turkic Ağaç Ana, and so on....
The article doesn’t imply the women contributed less than the men, but that their roles differed. The concept of typical gender roles is not sexist, it’s reality. It’s only neofeminism which has convinced some that there should be no distinction.
Probably an extinct lineage? No, I’d say most likely it is an assimilated lineage that still can be found in modern Africans. Why would it be exactly the same as a Neanderthal Skull or skulls found in other regions like Europe or Asia? I postulate that environment plays a much stronger role in development, behavior, culture, and evolution than we ever suspected! Of course there would be regional differences. Additionally, there were several species of proto-humans coexisting and we know that and we also know they were interbreeding so why such a surprise to find this skull? It should be no surprise at all. And as for yet unknown human species? Hey we’re still looking for the mystery parent of the Denisovans who mated with Neanderthals. To think we have all of our fishes together is laughable. We don’t! Basically what we have here is yet ANOTHER skull that doesn’t fit into our scheme of things. Another “mystery.”
Frankly, if I had to say what this skull was my first impression would be that it is the result of mating between a Homo sapien parent and a H. heidelbergensis parent as it has features of both and both species lived in Africa.
Why wouldn’t they help in hunting? I bet in hard times they surely did! These people had rituals, buried their dead, made jewelry, may have had language, and a host of many other signs of culture. They were far from being the club carrying bruts we once thought they were. This articles mentions tribes in Africa where women do “women’s work” but fails to mention all the tribes around the world in which women participate in hunting and even war. Neanderthals lived in a tough and demanding environment and I have no doubt that Neanderthal women contributed just as much as Neanderthal men to the well-being of the group. I’m sure the unwritten societal rule was that each must do what must be done regardless of gender, skin color, or hair color. It’s time to throw out the sexism and racism in our study of ancient humans! It doesn't fly!!
This seems more plausible to me than legions of craftsmen pounding away on giant blocks for decades. Regarding that, imagine the cost/benefit ratio when one factors in man-hours, resources (including providing for the workers), and the consequences of thousands of the best engineers and masons around diverting years of their life away from anything practical. Not to mention that same absurd scale of effort could be put toward building less handsome walls like a thousand feet high.
I think McCauley makes more assumptions than he realizes—that progress is linear, that we have full knowledge of the tools available, that said tools are primitive, and that it must follow that what they accomplished with little but time we could accomplish with relative ease today. And that the ancients were essentially a bunch of highly skilled idiots.
You pair are a perfect example of what is wrong with humanity.maybe I should 'stomp on' every seppo I come across, seeing as though they're so determined to bring the globe to the brink of ruin.
Most scientists don’t agree that life happened one time. The simple fact is that there’s no way of telling if it only happened one time or if it has happened millions of times. If life were to spontaneously come into existence at this very moment there would be no way for any of us to tell. It would be microscopic life and we probably would not be able to differentiate it from other life even if we happened to stumble across it. If we ever encounter an alien civilization they will probably look a lot different than us, but their primitive organisms might be very similar to ours. DNA/RNA could be the norm. Perhaps when life happens to come about, it comes with a similar makeup which would make it impossible to differentiate as NEW or as ALIEN.
It could be that it has happened several times in the past but was killed off by existing life or simply evolved to blend in with existing life. There would be no physical evidence available in the fossil record...and besides, you can’t determine if life is new or alien based off a fossil. Fossils don’t show genetic coding(or lack of). It could be that the first organisms to use DNA were actually new life rather than having evolved from previous life. It could be that at one point in time life died off from an impact but the planet was reseeded with new life.
We simply don’t know if life happened once and any scientist that claims to know this is simply not well informed.
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I'm no expert but first impressions, it looks very similar to Egyptian Hieroglyphs. Nb: note the upside down Pyramid?? So, suggesting it could be a board game looks feasible or perhaps a story. Interesting artifact.
Being a few drinks into my Saturday, I replied without noticing the author of that reply was you Tsurugi, brandishing your signature wit.
Would be awesome to win!!!
Absolutely correct Michael! I have changed the category to the correct one now.
"the tombs actually have nothing to do with the burial of anyone other than regular sized people from the Nuragic civilization"
Just wondering if you have ever visited Sardinia. If so, you will learn much by getting to know local people outside the regular guided tours. You will learn that the Catholic church has been involved for generations of removing the skeletons found in the graves and have built churches over many other graves. It is illegal to dig down over two meters before you are arrested if found doing so.
If you have solid evidence that only "regular" sized people (i.e.pictures) have been discovered in these graves, please provide. However, no pictures provided by the Catholic church will be acceptable.
Was that rightous outrage or are you being cheeky? I didn’t say anything about equality. I was stating that men and women are, in ways and by nature, well suited to different roles in the family and in the community.
by the way this news should be added to the 'Evolution & Human Origins' section, not 'History & Archaeology'
Well said!
It also shouldn't be a surprise that humans used to come in many more varieties than exist today, because the last global climate cataclysm, which marked the end of the most recent ice age, also coincided with the extinctions of over half the large mammal species living at that time. Humans qualify as large mammals, no doubt a lot of us were wiped out as well.
What did you just say...?? There are no distinctions or differences marring the shining uniform equality that exists between members of the proletariat.
Off to the gulag with you.
Agreed! Along with a bunch of other "world-tree" mythologies from disparate cultures:
the Mongolian Modun, the Hindu Ashvattha, the Hungarian Világfa, the Turkic Ağaç Ana, and so on....
I've heard of the Zohar, but I don't know anything about it, sadly...could you elaborate a bit? You've peaked my interest, hehe....
The article doesn’t imply the women contributed less than the men, but that their roles differed. The concept of typical gender roles is not sexist, it’s reality. It’s only neofeminism which has convinced some that there should be no distinction.
Probably an extinct lineage? No, I’d say most likely it is an assimilated lineage that still can be found in modern Africans. Why would it be exactly the same as a Neanderthal Skull or skulls found in other regions like Europe or Asia? I postulate that environment plays a much stronger role in development, behavior, culture, and evolution than we ever suspected! Of course there would be regional differences. Additionally, there were several species of proto-humans coexisting and we know that and we also know they were interbreeding so why such a surprise to find this skull? It should be no surprise at all. And as for yet unknown human species? Hey we’re still looking for the mystery parent of the Denisovans who mated with Neanderthals. To think we have all of our fishes together is laughable. We don’t! Basically what we have here is yet ANOTHER skull that doesn’t fit into our scheme of things. Another “mystery.”
Frankly, if I had to say what this skull was my first impression would be that it is the result of mating between a Homo sapien parent and a H. heidelbergensis parent as it has features of both and both species lived in Africa.
Why wouldn’t they help in hunting? I bet in hard times they surely did! These people had rituals, buried their dead, made jewelry, may have had language, and a host of many other signs of culture. They were far from being the club carrying bruts we once thought they were. This articles mentions tribes in Africa where women do “women’s work” but fails to mention all the tribes around the world in which women participate in hunting and even war. Neanderthals lived in a tough and demanding environment and I have no doubt that Neanderthal women contributed just as much as Neanderthal men to the well-being of the group. I’m sure the unwritten societal rule was that each must do what must be done regardless of gender, skin color, or hair color. It’s time to throw out the sexism and racism in our study of ancient humans! It doesn't fly!!
How like the Kabbalah zohar...
The destruction breaks my heart; however, embrace the impermanace... All things pass
This seems more plausible to me than legions of craftsmen pounding away on giant blocks for decades. Regarding that, imagine the cost/benefit ratio when one factors in man-hours, resources (including providing for the workers), and the consequences of thousands of the best engineers and masons around diverting years of their life away from anything practical. Not to mention that same absurd scale of effort could be put toward building less handsome walls like a thousand feet high.
I think McCauley makes more assumptions than he realizes—that progress is linear, that we have full knowledge of the tools available, that said tools are primitive, and that it must follow that what they accomplished with little but time we could accomplish with relative ease today. And that the ancients were essentially a bunch of highly skilled idiots.
Great site ..... Thank You !
You pair are a perfect example of what is wrong with humanity.maybe I should 'stomp on' every seppo I come across, seeing as though they're so determined to bring the globe to the brink of ruin.
Most scientists don’t agree that life happened one time. The simple fact is that there’s no way of telling if it only happened one time or if it has happened millions of times. If life were to spontaneously come into existence at this very moment there would be no way for any of us to tell. It would be microscopic life and we probably would not be able to differentiate it from other life even if we happened to stumble across it. If we ever encounter an alien civilization they will probably look a lot different than us, but their primitive organisms might be very similar to ours. DNA/RNA could be the norm. Perhaps when life happens to come about, it comes with a similar makeup which would make it impossible to differentiate as NEW or as ALIEN.
It could be that it has happened several times in the past but was killed off by existing life or simply evolved to blend in with existing life. There would be no physical evidence available in the fossil record...and besides, you can’t determine if life is new or alien based off a fossil. Fossils don’t show genetic coding(or lack of). It could be that the first organisms to use DNA were actually new life rather than having evolved from previous life. It could be that at one point in time life died off from an impact but the planet was reseeded with new life.
We simply don’t know if life happened once and any scientist that claims to know this is simply not well informed.
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