Using a misreading of classic literature to maintain some form of white male dominance in contemporary society is really a desparate ‘grasping at straws’. It’s just pitiful & sad. Toxic-masculinity is just Petty Power-Grubing to hide an Insecurity Void in a that man's soul.
In many cultures War & Combat seems to demand rules of courtesy lest the conflict desend into depraved butchery which somehow defeats the goal of the conflict. And there are Heros both Mythical & Historical that try to bring some Humanity to bloody conflict. Homer’s Hector is one example of the Mythical & the semi-mythical El Cid is a historical example. It’s all quite a tight-rope to walk on & we keep falling onto the net of Beastiality.
What an amazing, beautiful find, the woman who found it must have been so thrilled. I like the fact that Mrs. Leventouris was named, and credited. In the past, sometimes the “big egos” of the lead archeologist overshadowed all, so it’s nice to see a bit of “democratisation”…...well, after all, this is Greece!
Sadly, you are right, I fear that this amazing planet is heading for total melt-down. I think our species might just manage to reach Mars……..then go extinct.
I’ve heard the idea that nuclear war could actually be weirdly beneficial to our survival, as a sort of “reset”.
In my youth, the analogy by some scientists used to be “rats fighting in a cage”. I don’t understand the politics of the situation, but I think that, in other opinions, the phrase was frowned upon, (“humans are better than that”) or scientifically contested. The phrase fell out of use.
There’s another subject, on which I’d like your comment: in the science arena, “way out” theories are sometimes dismissed out of hand by the “establishment”. The “way-out theorist” is sometimes subjected to ridicule and humiliation, before further research proves them correct. It’s a fascinating social process. If someone produced solid mathematical proof that dark matter doesn’t exist, they’d have a hard time!
I sometimes read the silly stuff in Ancient Origins, and it’s understandable why the establishment gets a bit closed-minded!
But it makes me wonder if there have been serious ideas, in the past, that were simply not pursued.
Note to the editor of this website: Some of the recent comments are disturbing and politically charged and shouldn’t be allowed. This is a website for scientific information and study.
I've kind of decided not too put Old Stories in History on the shelf with the label Myth & Legends for me the lesson in my quest is working.
So the story of the Patron Saint Patrick is he drove away Snakes which is why I wondered if perhaps over the centuries behind St. Patrick's story could have been originally Lake Monster's but, somewhere it got changed too Snakes. An as the story teaches maybe St. Patrick really did drive away Snakes.
My reason for considering the possibility the Historical Narrative Changed? I've brought this Subject up before in previous articles but, I'll mention it again since the current Topic of this article is focused on a Patron Saint in Catholicism. I'll utilize it as an example.
Sometime In 1885, The American Bible Society changed The Translation of Old King James that had always been in the manner and style dating back too 1611, The King James Bible.
It seems there were 35 instances when the Old Testament referenced Dragon's & Water Dragon's inside the Scriptures.
Some Versus talked about Dragons and Owls, so in 1885, it was changed too Serpents and Ostriches, (doesn't make since Ostriches can't Fly, Owls can), going back to St. Patrick's History once more did St. Patrick perhaps drive away Lake Monster's like Champy in Lake Champlain & Nessie Loch Ness, and then much later the story switched too St. Patrick driving away Snakes?
Basically I don't think it is a Myth.
I'll stop here for now so until next time, Denis & Everyone, Goodbye!
Greetings! I wanted to ask, concerning your comment, if there are in essence TWO different seeds or flowers of life then? The newer version being used for evil intenttions and the ancient one that is not. Can you possibly provide a link to what the ancient one looked like? Thank you kindly
You may want to calm your racism down and do research. Egypt was a cosmopolitian MEDETERANEAN nation. As such the folks there looked similar to those in the MEDETERANEAN region, including the Grecco-Italian region. They actually pointed that out, and also mentioned the DNA. The fact of the matter is Egyptians in that era looked very much like the folks in Greece and Southern Italy. Only a bigot like you would be complaining about this with racist comments.
Very interesting. I propose another scenerio in which, in lieu of Ankhenaten who seemed to throw only girls, another close male relative stepped in to try to gain a son. Please keep us informed as more information developes.
SO THE PSEUDO ITALIAN SCIENTIST HAS IDENTIFIED THE ANCIENT BLACK EGYPTIAN PHARAOH AKHENATEN TO LOOK LIKE A PRESENT DAY ITALIAN. FROM SICILY. I GUESS THAT AN IRISH PSEUDO SCIENTIST WILL BUILD A COMPUTER STRUCTURE OF HIM LOOKING LIKE A REDHEADED FRECKLED FACE IRISHMAN..
This is fascinating. I do, however, worry about a kind of transferance when those attempting to reproduce this skull and face are looking at pictures or statues of their potential subjects. From looking at these images, both reconstructions and statues of various pharohs, the identity of this person is still in question. There are similarities for sure to Akhenaten, but it’s not a definite match. Please keep working to identify this mummy.
Just one brief clarification. According to the Medieval Irish document the Lebor Gabála Érenn the Fir Bolg were one of several waves of settlers who came to Ireland before the arrival of the Tuatha Dé Danann. They were actually defeated by the Tuatha at the 1st Battle of Cath Maige Tuired. They were then offered a quarter of their own homeland, which became the province of Connaught.
Controversy surrounds the Tuatha Dé Danann. Were they a technically advanced Bronze Age people who were able to dazzle the native Hibernians with new ideas and superior weaponry? Or were they commensurate with the ancient Gods of the Celts and essentially mythological?
The true defeaters of the Tuatha were a further wave of invaders, the Milesians. A Gaelic speaking people, probably using iron weapons, they arrived in Ireland via north-west Spain. Having arrived in Ireland the more numerous Milesians agreed with the Tuatha Dé to split the Ireland in two. Given the pick of territory the Sons of Mil chose the land above the ground, thus consigning the Tuatha Dé Danann to the land below, or Otherworld, accessed through numerous megalithic grave entrances that dot the Irish countryside. The Tuatha thus became the Aos Sí or simply Sídhe (pronounced Shee), the Fairy Folk of Ireland.
In human history language has changed a lot for example, The English language a majority of People speak (apparently derived from German) would not be recognized in 433 A.D. by the Anglo-Saxons, Britons, and Wales.
My point going back to the snakes in Ireland that St. Patrick drove away they wouldn't happen to have Loch Ness Monster's of their own living there in Ireland?
I'm not making a joke I found out from a documentary a lake in England has their version of a Loch Ness Monster called; I believe Old Bess, maybe Bessie.
That's why I asked about Ireland maybe having Loch Ness Monster's of their own an perhaps that's what St. Patrick drove away although, I did read a children's fish book, I once owned mentioned Eels were born in Lake's and River's.
Again, I am not making fun of St. Patrick's driving away Snakes I was thinking of possibilities what might he driven away.
This is where I'll leave St. Patrick's discussion about the Subject the Patron Saint of driving creepy crawlie creatures from Ireland. Until next time, Everyone, Goodbye!
Another of histories psychopaths, but revered for 'learning' the people of the island that they are all one people called the Japanese then, with, I expect taxes and laws to follow for 'the benefit of all' as far as I can tell.
I am so sad to hear that. I wish I could be of more help, but I really have no idea. I think the best thing to do would be to contact the Idleb Antiquities Center. They have a facebook page. I am sure they could at least direct you to someone who could help. Good luck!
I enjoyed your article; but what I find strange is that there were no grave markers for these skeletonal remains. If they were members of a royal family buried in the family castle with valuable items why no ‘tombstone’ or effigy stating exactly who these men were?
Wow! I’m really enjoying this discussion! There’s so many fascinating ideas that are coming up to delve into deeper and a great range of perspectives – the nature of the machines, how they moved, magic, illusion, reality, finding truth hidden in ‘myth’...
I hope we can keep the discussion going further, but I also want to take a moment to mention here that you may be interested in attending the upcoming conference, Ancient Hi Tech Uncovered.
Dr. Benjamin B Olshin’s presentation in particular may be of interest to many of you since he’s going to talk about a variety of stories regarding flight and flying machines which appear in a wide range of ancient cultures. Seeing this topic sparked my interest and inspired me to post my original question. It would be cool to hear you share your ideas and engage with him and the other presenters too.
I love reading the comments here and watching the intertwining of different themes, seeing how many ideas and topics are interconnected – all generating a bigger picture.
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Using a misreading of classic literature to maintain some form of white male dominance in contemporary society is really a desparate ‘grasping at straws’. It’s just pitiful & sad. Toxic-masculinity is just Petty Power-Grubing to hide an Insecurity Void in a that man's soul.
In many cultures War & Combat seems to demand rules of courtesy lest the conflict desend into depraved butchery which somehow defeats the goal of the conflict. And there are Heros both Mythical & Historical that try to bring some Humanity to bloody conflict. Homer’s Hector is one example of the Mythical & the semi-mythical El Cid is a historical example. It’s all quite a tight-rope to walk on & we keep falling onto the net of Beastiality.
Thanks for the write-up, Gary.
What an amazing, beautiful find, the woman who found it must have been so thrilled. I like the fact that Mrs. Leventouris was named, and credited. In the past, sometimes the “big egos” of the lead archeologist overshadowed all, so it’s nice to see a bit of “democratisation”…...well, after all, this is Greece!
Thanks, Ashley, for your precis, on this research.
Wondering; when the Romans resurrected the town, had the aquifer re-established itself, or did they import water via clever engineering?
Hi GMik,
Sadly, you are right, I fear that this amazing planet is heading for total melt-down. I think our species might just manage to reach Mars……..then go extinct.
I’ve heard the idea that nuclear war could actually be weirdly beneficial to our survival, as a sort of “reset”.
In my youth, the analogy by some scientists used to be “rats fighting in a cage”. I don’t understand the politics of the situation, but I think that, in other opinions, the phrase was frowned upon, (“humans are better than that”) or scientifically contested. The phrase fell out of use.
There’s another subject, on which I’d like your comment: in the science arena, “way out” theories are sometimes dismissed out of hand by the “establishment”. The “way-out theorist” is sometimes subjected to ridicule and humiliation, before further research proves them correct. It’s a fascinating social process. If someone produced solid mathematical proof that dark matter doesn’t exist, they’d have a hard time!
I sometimes read the silly stuff in Ancient Origins, and it’s understandable why the establishment gets a bit closed-minded!
But it makes me wonder if there have been serious ideas, in the past, that were simply not pursued.
Regards
Note to the editor of this website: Some of the recent comments are disturbing and politically charged and shouldn’t be allowed. This is a website for scientific information and study.
Hi Denis,
I've kind of decided not too put Old Stories in History on the shelf with the label Myth & Legends for me the lesson in my quest is working.
So the story of the Patron Saint Patrick is he drove away Snakes which is why I wondered if perhaps over the centuries behind St. Patrick's story could have been originally Lake Monster's but, somewhere it got changed too Snakes. An as the story teaches maybe St. Patrick really did drive away Snakes.
My reason for considering the possibility the Historical Narrative Changed? I've brought this Subject up before in previous articles but, I'll mention it again since the current Topic of this article is focused on a Patron Saint in Catholicism. I'll utilize it as an example.
Sometime In 1885, The American Bible Society changed The Translation of Old King James that had always been in the manner and style dating back too 1611, The King James Bible.
It seems there were 35 instances when the Old Testament referenced Dragon's & Water Dragon's inside the Scriptures.
Some Versus talked about Dragons and Owls, so in 1885, it was changed too Serpents and Ostriches, (doesn't make since Ostriches can't Fly, Owls can), going back to St. Patrick's History once more did St. Patrick perhaps drive away Lake Monster's like Champy in Lake Champlain & Nessie Loch Ness, and then much later the story switched too St. Patrick driving away Snakes?
Basically I don't think it is a Myth.
I'll stop here for now so until next time, Denis & Everyone, Goodbye!
Well, we all cultures like exaggerated myths and legends. Humans are the only animals with a liking for wild claims and fantasy.
Greetings! I wanted to ask, concerning your comment, if there are in essence TWO different seeds or flowers of life then? The newer version being used for evil intenttions and the ancient one that is not. Can you possibly provide a link to what the ancient one looked like? Thank you kindly
You may want to calm your racism down and do research. Egypt was a cosmopolitian MEDETERANEAN nation. As such the folks there looked similar to those in the MEDETERANEAN region, including the Grecco-Italian region. They actually pointed that out, and also mentioned the DNA. The fact of the matter is Egyptians in that era looked very much like the folks in Greece and Southern Italy. Only a bigot like you would be complaining about this with racist comments.
Very interesting. I propose another scenerio in which, in lieu of Ankhenaten who seemed to throw only girls, another close male relative stepped in to try to gain a son. Please keep us informed as more information developes.
SO THE PSEUDO ITALIAN SCIENTIST HAS IDENTIFIED THE ANCIENT BLACK EGYPTIAN PHARAOH AKHENATEN TO LOOK LIKE A PRESENT DAY ITALIAN. FROM SICILY. I GUESS THAT AN IRISH PSEUDO SCIENTIST WILL BUILD A COMPUTER STRUCTURE OF HIM LOOKING LIKE A REDHEADED FRECKLED FACE IRISHMAN..
May he and his heritage flourish.
We use the word 'poverty' to describe the socioeconomic situation of these people but we as westerners are well on our way there.
The accumulation of money to describe wealth is absurd, these people are wealthy, it is us that are poor.
This is fascinating. I do, however, worry about a kind of transferance when those attempting to reproduce this skull and face are looking at pictures or statues of their potential subjects. From looking at these images, both reconstructions and statues of various pharohs, the identity of this person is still in question. There are similarities for sure to Akhenaten, but it’s not a definite match. Please keep working to identify this mummy.
Just one brief clarification. According to the Medieval Irish document the Lebor Gabála Érenn the Fir Bolg were one of several waves of settlers who came to Ireland before the arrival of the Tuatha Dé Danann. They were actually defeated by the Tuatha at the 1st Battle of Cath Maige Tuired. They were then offered a quarter of their own homeland, which became the province of Connaught.
Controversy surrounds the Tuatha Dé Danann. Were they a technically advanced Bronze Age people who were able to dazzle the native Hibernians with new ideas and superior weaponry? Or were they commensurate with the ancient Gods of the Celts and essentially mythological?
The true defeaters of the Tuatha were a further wave of invaders, the Milesians. A Gaelic speaking people, probably using iron weapons, they arrived in Ireland via north-west Spain. Having arrived in Ireland the more numerous Milesians agreed with the Tuatha Dé to split the Ireland in two. Given the pick of territory the Sons of Mil chose the land above the ground, thus consigning the Tuatha Dé Danann to the land below, or Otherworld, accessed through numerous megalithic grave entrances that dot the Irish countryside. The Tuatha thus became the Aos Sí or simply Sídhe (pronounced Shee), the Fairy Folk of Ireland.
Hi All,
In human history language has changed a lot for example, The English language a majority of People speak (apparently derived from German) would not be recognized in 433 A.D. by the Anglo-Saxons, Britons, and Wales.
My point going back to the snakes in Ireland that St. Patrick drove away they wouldn't happen to have Loch Ness Monster's of their own living there in Ireland?
I'm not making a joke I found out from a documentary a lake in England has their version of a Loch Ness Monster called; I believe Old Bess, maybe Bessie.
That's why I asked about Ireland maybe having Loch Ness Monster's of their own an perhaps that's what St. Patrick drove away although, I did read a children's fish book, I once owned mentioned Eels were born in Lake's and River's.
Again, I am not making fun of St. Patrick's driving away Snakes I was thinking of possibilities what might he driven away.
This is where I'll leave St. Patrick's discussion about the Subject the Patron Saint of driving creepy crawlie creatures from Ireland. Until next time, Everyone, Goodbye!
Another of histories psychopaths, but revered for 'learning' the people of the island that they are all one people called the Japanese then, with, I expect taxes and laws to follow for 'the benefit of all' as far as I can tell.
I am so sad to hear that. I wish I could be of more help, but I really have no idea. I think the best thing to do would be to contact the Idleb Antiquities Center. They have a facebook page. I am sure they could at least direct you to someone who could help. Good luck!
I enjoyed your article; but what I find strange is that there were no grave markers for these skeletonal remains. If they were members of a royal family buried in the family castle with valuable items why no ‘tombstone’ or effigy stating exactly who these men were?
Wow! I’m really enjoying this discussion! There’s so many fascinating ideas that are coming up to delve into deeper and a great range of perspectives – the nature of the machines, how they moved, magic, illusion, reality, finding truth hidden in ‘myth’...
I hope we can keep the discussion going further, but I also want to take a moment to mention here that you may be interested in attending the upcoming conference, Ancient Hi Tech Uncovered.
Dr. Benjamin B Olshin’s presentation in particular may be of interest to many of you since he’s going to talk about a variety of stories regarding flight and flying machines which appear in a wide range of ancient cultures. Seeing this topic sparked my interest and inspired me to post my original question. It would be cool to hear you share your ideas and engage with him and the other presenters too.
I love reading the comments here and watching the intertwining of different themes, seeing how many ideas and topics are interconnected – all generating a bigger picture.
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