Looking at various sites that deal with other 'pipes' in sandstone, there appears to be a natural explanation for these I am afraid...
Navajo "Pipes"
Natural concretionary pipe-like features, which are quite similar to the Baigong Pipes, occur in the Navajo Sandstone and other sandstones of Southwestern United States in the form of hematite "pipes". Hematite also occurs as other masses of diagenetic "ironstone" that exhibit a wide and amazing range of bizarre shapes, which can be described as both "strangely shaped stones" and "rusty scraps". For example, strangely shaped stones, pipe-like features, and other concretionary masses have been observed and described from the Navajo and other Jurassic sandstones within Utah and adjacent states. Brenda Beitler notes the presence of hollow "subhorizontal planar strata-bound pipes" and "vertical pipes", which have been created by the precipitation of hematite within the Navajo Sandstone. In addition, the bleached sandstone seen in the picture of the cave entrance is typical of sandstones, in which natural pipe-like features have been found. The pipe-like features are the result of natural self-organization processes, which occur during the precipitation of iron oxides within sedimentary rocks.
The reported composition of the rusty scraps, 30 percent ferric oxide and large amounts of silicon dioxide and calcium oxide, is consistent with the hematite masses found in the Navajo and other Jurassic sandstones in Utah and elsewhere in the Southwestern United States. The ferric oxide and large amounts of silicon dioxide is what a person would expect iron oxide cemented sandstone to consist of. Calcite and other carbonate cements and concretions are typically associated with the hematite masses in the Navajo and other sandstones and sedimentary rocks.
Louisiana "Cylinders"
Cylindrical structures very similar to the Baigong Pipes have also been found protruding from outcrops of Pliocene Citronelle Formation in the Florida parishes of Louisiana and in older Pleistocene fluvial sediments within South-central Louisiana. These structures are as much as 70 cm in diameter and 100 cm in depth. Detailed studies of these cylindrical structures found that they were created by the formation of ironstone rims around tap roots of pine trees by soil forming processes.
I don't mean to come across as rude and do enjoy a good debate, but extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and you really are not presenting any...
Even the 'young creation' claims made by extreme christian 'thinkers' (which many are obviously not doing very effectively) have some writings they can point to as 'evidence' supporting their case, although the writings are not contemporary to the time they speak of (and are probably borrowed from other far older religions in many cases, e.g. the flood story may well have been taught to early jews who attended 'school' in Sumeria) and they choose to ignore other written/verbal works, monuments, fossils and most of modern science (to the point where their use of a PC to type their comments seems hypocritical).
The most likely explanation ought to be the starting point. Rule out that one then explore the next most likely. Once you have ruled out the probable, then you are left with the improbable - all the way from 150,000 year old human culture irrigating an area through to visiting aliens who, despite having spacecraft, feel the need to build primitive pipes.
You seem to be starting with some of the least likely explanations and presenting no evidence, saying in 'it all got lost under the continental plates' when in fact there is far older evidence in plain sight (e.g. dinosaur bones falling out of cliff sides or scattered in deserts that are 150 - 300m years old) that did not end up under a continental plate?
All I see in the photo is a cross section which shows varied wall thickness, hinting at a natural origin. The fact that these all vary in thickness rather than being uniform again suggests a natural origin, as that is exactly how tree roots from. I don't see a photo that shows long lengths of regular thickness (both wall thickness and overall circumference) pipe. Nature does straight lines (e.g. fractures in rock, laying down of sediment and even tunnelling animals can do fairly straight lines) and tree roots would follow this line of least resistance. Any minerals that later wash into the area would also follow the course of least resistance and fill in the gaps around the tree roots.
All the evidence, going back millions and even billions of years, shows evolution of life on earth (sometimes steady, sometimes over a few generations due to certain events/mutations, sometimes coming to dead ends or extinction events) and mankind being the most technologically advanced by a long long way. Some apes bash nuts with rocks, some birds build complex nests, some fish set stones and shells in complex patterns, termites build (on their scale) huge skyscrapers, wasps make paper pulp etc etc but modern man is different. We have changed the face of the planet so much that we even have a geological 'era' named after us. We seem to be the apex in terms of technology. We are not the most successful by a long way - e.g. dinosaurs were around longer, insects are more numerous etc. In fact we might be ones of 'natures' great failures as we seem to be destroying the very ecosystem we depend on and are likely to take most other complex life down with us! Or, we might reach the stars and find we are not alone?
The story of Moses and the Exodus is a fabricated story. At best this story may contain elements of events that really happened but as a whole it's fiction. An event like the 'parting of waters' could be witnessed by people in history for instance in a tsunami. But in 'Exodus' it's only put there to add to the drama and 'metafisicallity' of the story. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moses#Historicity
Forgot to say: what made it even more impressive was that some 15 or 20 degrees to the left of the moon was the star sign Osiris, again, in a christal clear night. And actually I can't remember seeing Osiris in its totallity; whith his bough on the right side more or less aiming at the moon which looked like a planet.......
R-e-a-l-l-y B-i-z-a-r-!!!
So we can trace life back through fossils hundreds of millions of years, even to before dinosaurs, but you are claiming the evidence of advanced human civilisations (fossilised remains, buildings, artefacts having a greater potential legacy than plant eating animals) were erased by plate tectonics, leaving stuff both before and after preserved? Life on Earth has certainly evolved complexity then had knock backs and taken different routes (e.g. Mammals replacing dinosaurs as dominant large land animals) and there are gaps in the evolutionary history of man, but there is just no evidence for your theory (and even a theory should have evidence supporting it, or it is just fantasy). Everything suggests man has been 'modern' for a few hundred thousand years, with the potential to be as he is now in terms of achievements, and started showing signs of being a smart ape maybe a few million years ago (e.g. Cave burials just found in Africa)
I saw it tonight or this morning at appr. 4.40 hrs., it was a crystal clear night. Looked very bizar; the moon, cupper reddish but not 'shining' brightly. (It's amazing that you can see the moon in the first place when it's in the shade of the earth; where does the light come from?). It looked a little as if there was another planet or something. Very strange and pretty impressive.
I think you'll find that GOD is generally used for 'The Almighty' where for varying reasons the translator or publisher doesn't want to use the usually accepted Jehovah for the 'Tetragrammaton' YHWH. I believe that the 'Kings James' has now published a new addition where GOD is now printed as Jehovah throughout. I haven't taken the time yet, but will do so as it would be interesting to compare old and new versions. I do however take this new circular version of the Ark with a pinch if salt, as it would have been impractical. The current Biblical description has been accredited by ship builders to be of sound structural dimensions, and easier to build than the circular one.
I really enjoy your knowledge of the Summerian texts, it’s fantastic!
However, I disagree with “Gold” being a reason for anyone to “terra form” a planet! It would be much simpler to mine a local asteroid or planet rather than completely change an entire planet just to mine it’s...GOLD!
OUR planet was created (or terra formed) specifically to support life as “we” know it!
NOW, as to whether or not the human race was created as a slave race or not, that’s another question. Perhaps we were supposed to be nothing more than a type of animal but, “they” messed-up by giving us more of their DNA than they anticipated? In other words...a SOUL?
Human scientist have an idea of the evolutionary progression of Homo Sapiens but this only includes fossil remains in present geological strata. There have been many changes the surface strata due to complete upheavals and subductions of tectonic continental plates. Even the sea floors are acting as conveyors due the subduction carrying artifacts into the molten interior of the planet. Just because there is no longer evidence of million plus year old artifacts does not mean they never existed
I was referring to roots not growing in straight lines. The pipes shown were straight, as shown in the cave picture. Indeed, the pipes were of varying in diameter and thickness. This is further proof they were of very ancient origins and intended purpose. I never said the Earth was around before or at the time of the Big Bang (Act of Creation)
Why is it that when something is "out of the ordinary"...it is immediately relegated to "Mythical???"
Case-in-point: In the article above, it states that 2 Kings ruled for 64,800 years...right! And, because this is NOT in keeping with OUR standards of life, then they must be "Mythical...!!!"
WHAT IF, "we" were to accept these abnormal, things at face value? Perhaps if we did, we would not succoumb to the lies of our modern-day ...Pharisees???
This is an interesting article, which talks about something I've been saying all along. Our memories/experiences are passed down to our offspring through DNA in a form more like a gut feeling or instinct. I believe the body and soul are two different living symbiotic entities each relying on the other to exist in the physical world. And when one dies, the other, which is pure energy and cannot die (our soul) moves on to host another body. Reincarnation is the most logical explanation of afterlife in my opinion. I have a VERY strong feeling that one of my past lives was a sailor on a schooner in the 1600's. I can't explain the overwhelming feeling I get whenever I see one whether in real life or in a photograph.
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Taken from my book "Tempest & Exodus", written 15 years ago. Of course we know this was Thera-Santorini because Moses says:
Quote:
"And they took ashes of the furnace, and stood before Pharaoh; and Moses sprinkled it up toward heaven; and it became a boil breaking forth with blains upon man, and upon beast." (Exodus 9:10)
There could be no better description of the long-range fallout from a volcanic eruption.
Simcha Jacobovici has already linked the destruction of Santorini with the parting of the Reed Sea, and for that matter, every plague listed in the Book of Exodus.
Let answer the questions: who did it? How ? what is the purpose ? Who human will see it on the desert ? What message wants he mentioning and for whom ? Definitely, it is not a human of this planet, and he appear like the “bird man” found into Magdalen’s caves in Europe of the time of Neanderthals arts. Only compare them so similar.
Actually, data is considered as a collective whole and is, therefore, singular. Example: a herd of horses is galloping across the plain. Herd is singular. A gaggle of geese is following her around the yard.
Actually, data is considered as a collective whole and is, therefore, singular. Example: a herd of horses is galloping across the plain. Herd is singular. A gaggle of geese is following her around the yard.
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Looking at various sites that deal with other 'pipes' in sandstone, there appears to be a natural explanation for these I am afraid...
Navajo "Pipes"
Natural concretionary pipe-like features, which are quite similar to the Baigong Pipes, occur in the Navajo Sandstone and other sandstones of Southwestern United States in the form of hematite "pipes". Hematite also occurs as other masses of diagenetic "ironstone" that exhibit a wide and amazing range of bizarre shapes, which can be described as both "strangely shaped stones" and "rusty scraps". For example, strangely shaped stones, pipe-like features, and other concretionary masses have been observed and described from the Navajo and other Jurassic sandstones within Utah and adjacent states. Brenda Beitler notes the presence of hollow "subhorizontal planar strata-bound pipes" and "vertical pipes", which have been created by the precipitation of hematite within the Navajo Sandstone. In addition, the bleached sandstone seen in the picture of the cave entrance is typical of sandstones, in which natural pipe-like features have been found. The pipe-like features are the result of natural self-organization processes, which occur during the precipitation of iron oxides within sedimentary rocks.
The reported composition of the rusty scraps, 30 percent ferric oxide and large amounts of silicon dioxide and calcium oxide, is consistent with the hematite masses found in the Navajo and other Jurassic sandstones in Utah and elsewhere in the Southwestern United States. The ferric oxide and large amounts of silicon dioxide is what a person would expect iron oxide cemented sandstone to consist of. Calcite and other carbonate cements and concretions are typically associated with the hematite masses in the Navajo and other sandstones and sedimentary rocks.
Louisiana "Cylinders"
Cylindrical structures very similar to the Baigong Pipes have also been found protruding from outcrops of Pliocene Citronelle Formation in the Florida parishes of Louisiana and in older Pleistocene fluvial sediments within South-central Louisiana. These structures are as much as 70 cm in diameter and 100 cm in depth. Detailed studies of these cylindrical structures found that they were created by the formation of ironstone rims around tap roots of pine trees by soil forming processes.
I don't mean to come across as rude and do enjoy a good debate, but extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and you really are not presenting any...
Even the 'young creation' claims made by extreme christian 'thinkers' (which many are obviously not doing very effectively) have some writings they can point to as 'evidence' supporting their case, although the writings are not contemporary to the time they speak of (and are probably borrowed from other far older religions in many cases, e.g. the flood story may well have been taught to early jews who attended 'school' in Sumeria) and they choose to ignore other written/verbal works, monuments, fossils and most of modern science (to the point where their use of a PC to type their comments seems hypocritical).
The most likely explanation ought to be the starting point. Rule out that one then explore the next most likely. Once you have ruled out the probable, then you are left with the improbable - all the way from 150,000 year old human culture irrigating an area through to visiting aliens who, despite having spacecraft, feel the need to build primitive pipes.
You seem to be starting with some of the least likely explanations and presenting no evidence, saying in 'it all got lost under the continental plates' when in fact there is far older evidence in plain sight (e.g. dinosaur bones falling out of cliff sides or scattered in deserts that are 150 - 300m years old) that did not end up under a continental plate?
All I see in the photo is a cross section which shows varied wall thickness, hinting at a natural origin. The fact that these all vary in thickness rather than being uniform again suggests a natural origin, as that is exactly how tree roots from. I don't see a photo that shows long lengths of regular thickness (both wall thickness and overall circumference) pipe. Nature does straight lines (e.g. fractures in rock, laying down of sediment and even tunnelling animals can do fairly straight lines) and tree roots would follow this line of least resistance. Any minerals that later wash into the area would also follow the course of least resistance and fill in the gaps around the tree roots.
All the evidence, going back millions and even billions of years, shows evolution of life on earth (sometimes steady, sometimes over a few generations due to certain events/mutations, sometimes coming to dead ends or extinction events) and mankind being the most technologically advanced by a long long way. Some apes bash nuts with rocks, some birds build complex nests, some fish set stones and shells in complex patterns, termites build (on their scale) huge skyscrapers, wasps make paper pulp etc etc but modern man is different. We have changed the face of the planet so much that we even have a geological 'era' named after us. We seem to be the apex in terms of technology. We are not the most successful by a long way - e.g. dinosaurs were around longer, insects are more numerous etc. In fact we might be ones of 'natures' great failures as we seem to be destroying the very ecosystem we depend on and are likely to take most other complex life down with us! Or, we might reach the stars and find we are not alone?
The story of Moses and the Exodus is a fabricated story. At best this story may contain elements of events that really happened but as a whole it's fiction. An event like the 'parting of waters' could be witnessed by people in history for instance in a tsunami. But in 'Exodus' it's only put there to add to the drama and 'metafisicallity' of the story.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moses#Historicity
"... I can't remember seeing Osiris in its totallity ..." =
"... I can't remember seeing Osiris in its totallity BEFORE ..."
Forgot to say: what made it even more impressive was that some 15 or 20 degrees to the left of the moon was the star sign Osiris, again, in a christal clear night. And actually I can't remember seeing Osiris in its totallity; whith his bough on the right side more or less aiming at the moon which looked like a planet.......
R-e-a-l-l-y B-i-z-a-r-!!!
So we can trace life back through fossils hundreds of millions of years, even to before dinosaurs, but you are claiming the evidence of advanced human civilisations (fossilised remains, buildings, artefacts having a greater potential legacy than plant eating animals) were erased by plate tectonics, leaving stuff both before and after preserved? Life on Earth has certainly evolved complexity then had knock backs and taken different routes (e.g. Mammals replacing dinosaurs as dominant large land animals) and there are gaps in the evolutionary history of man, but there is just no evidence for your theory (and even a theory should have evidence supporting it, or it is just fantasy). Everything suggests man has been 'modern' for a few hundred thousand years, with the potential to be as he is now in terms of achievements, and started showing signs of being a smart ape maybe a few million years ago (e.g. Cave burials just found in Africa)
I saw it tonight or this morning at appr. 4.40 hrs., it was a crystal clear night. Looked very bizar; the moon, cupper reddish but not 'shining' brightly. (It's amazing that you can see the moon in the first place when it's in the shade of the earth; where does the light come from?). It looked a little as if there was another planet or something. Very strange and pretty impressive.
Sadly too misty and light poluted to see it where I was, but some great photos circulating.
Thanks for an interesting article!
I think you'll find that GOD is generally used for 'The Almighty' where for varying reasons the translator or publisher doesn't want to use the usually accepted Jehovah for the 'Tetragrammaton' YHWH. I believe that the 'Kings James' has now published a new addition where GOD is now printed as Jehovah throughout. I haven't taken the time yet, but will do so as it would be interesting to compare old and new versions. I do however take this new circular version of the Ark with a pinch if salt, as it would have been impractical. The current Biblical description has been accredited by ship builders to be of sound structural dimensions, and easier to build than the circular one.
Hi Garry Raynor!
I really enjoy your knowledge of the Summerian texts, it’s fantastic!
However, I disagree with “Gold” being a reason for anyone to “terra form” a planet! It would be much simpler to mine a local asteroid or planet rather than completely change an entire planet just to mine it’s...GOLD!
OUR planet was created (or terra formed) specifically to support life as “we” know it!
NOW, as to whether or not the human race was created as a slave race or not, that’s another question. Perhaps we were supposed to be nothing more than a type of animal but, “they” messed-up by giving us more of their DNA than they anticipated? In other words...a SOUL?
Human scientist have an idea of the evolutionary progression of Homo Sapiens but this only includes fossil remains in present geological strata. There have been many changes the surface strata due to complete upheavals and subductions of tectonic continental plates. Even the sea floors are acting as conveyors due the subduction carrying artifacts into the molten interior of the planet. Just because there is no longer evidence of million plus year old artifacts does not mean they never existed
I was referring to roots not growing in straight lines. The pipes shown were straight, as shown in the cave picture. Indeed, the pipes were of varying in diameter and thickness. This is further proof they were of very ancient origins and intended purpose. I never said the Earth was around before or at the time of the Big Bang (Act of Creation)
Why is it that when something is "out of the ordinary"...it is immediately relegated to "Mythical???"
Case-in-point: In the article above, it states that 2 Kings ruled for 64,800 years...right! And, because this is NOT in keeping with OUR standards of life, then they must be "Mythical...!!!"
WHAT IF, "we" were to accept these abnormal, things at face value? Perhaps if we did, we would not succoumb to the lies of our modern-day ...Pharisees???
Im with Ron R on this. It certainly does look like glacial erosion.
This is an interesting article, which talks about something I've been saying all along. Our memories/experiences are passed down to our offspring through DNA in a form more like a gut feeling or instinct. I believe the body and soul are two different living symbiotic entities each relying on the other to exist in the physical world. And when one dies, the other, which is pure energy and cannot die (our soul) moves on to host another body. Reincarnation is the most logical explanation of afterlife in my opinion. I have a VERY strong feeling that one of my past lives was a sailor on a schooner in the 1600's. I can't explain the overwhelming feeling I get whenever I see one whether in real life or in a photograph.
.
Taken from my book "Tempest & Exodus", written 15 years ago. Of course we know this was Thera-Santorini because Moses says:
Quote:
"And they took ashes of the furnace, and stood before Pharaoh; and Moses sprinkled it up toward heaven; and it became a boil breaking forth with blains upon man, and upon beast." (Exodus 9:10)
There could be no better description of the long-range fallout from a volcanic eruption.
https://www.createspace.com/5319338
Simcha Jacobovici has already linked the destruction of Santorini with the parting of the Reed Sea, and for that matter, every plague listed in the Book of Exodus.
Let answer the questions: who did it? How ? what is the purpose ? Who human will see it on the desert ? What message wants he mentioning and for whom ? Definitely, it is not a human of this planet, and he appear like the “bird man” found into Magdalen’s caves in Europe of the time of Neanderthals arts. Only compare them so similar.
Actually, data is considered as a collective whole and is, therefore, singular. Example: a herd of horses is galloping across the plain. Herd is singular. A gaggle of geese is following her around the yard.
Actually, data is considered as a collective whole and is, therefore, singular. Example: a herd of horses is galloping across the plain. Herd is singular. A gaggle of geese is following her around the yard.
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