North America was regularly visited in 3000 BCE by Akkadian and allied miners who worked the copper mines at Lake Superior. So a Roman ship is a late comer indeed.
Victor: "That's what separates the believers (religious) from the know-ers (spiritual)."
akinchana: To know not only implies the comprehension or awareness of something, but also involves the belief or conviction of the truth or falsity of that thing, so the 'know-ers' are also believers. Can you prove the monist (non-dualist) philosophy of which you speak? If not, then, by your definition, you are a religionist---a believer.
why are we talking about this ?? this is not interesting . what IS interesting is that secret room they found in tuts tomb.. why are we not having a DAILY watch on the progress being made there ?
AND -- the possible tunnels in the great pyramid they found with that latest scans of heat temperatures.
THESE are interesting . I WANT DAILY UPDATES. please get a contact of there and start doing some reporting .
STRONG evidence required...!
Is that "marble" what we now call "Pink" Marble?
I only ask because it doesn't seem to have the sheen of marble - though I accept it has been left open to dust gathering, which may have dulled its surface. But has no one tried wiping the dust off of it...???
“Quote: "It is not a coincidence that such active animal management programs coincided with the development of large monumental structures where animals were embedded into pyramids as key symbols of the Teotihuacan state".
No, this is not a coincidence at all since “ferocious animals” were imbedded in their Myths of Creation and NOT took part in any oferings at all.
It appears to me that the story was related to some serial abductor who may have used handy sound instruments (like a small organ, ratcheting or string etc) to lure children to lonely corners or any house and later abduct them (recall the word 'kid'-napping/nabbing). Children finds always such things attractive that have some strange sound or lights coming out of em. The indecent might have terrified the unsuspecting citizens so much that that they made a story out of it to WARN the future generations of such dangers. It could have been the 'crime of the century' back then. The piper was made 'pied' and his music 'hypnotic' to attract children's attention. Most advices for children go into deaf ears.
And that piper/charmer-cum-abductor was probably never caught he only vanished after nabbing a few kids in ONE day.
It appears to me that the story was related to some serial abductor who may have used handy sound instruments (like a small organ, ratcheting or string etc) to lure children to lonely corners or any house and later abduct them (recall the word 'kid'-napping/nabbing). Children finds always such things attractive that have some strange sound or lights coming out of em. The indecent might have terrified the unsuspecting citizens so much that that they made a story out of it to WARN the future generations of such dangers. It could have been the 'crime of the century' back then. The piper was made 'pied' and his music 'hypnotic' to attract children's attention. Most advices for children go into deaf ears.
And that piper/charmer-cum-abductor was probably never caught he only vanished after nabbing a few kids in ONE day.
As I had said in my post earlier was that linguistics, archaeology, anthropology and genetics all say the same thing, Europeans, Asians and Native Americans came from one man and his name was Japheth.
Spencer Wells and National Geographic proved it.
And they want to say that we are not academic or have not done enough research, but Biblical researchers have spent more years tracing history through all the historical sources extra-Biblical than the average BA in biology has spent in a lab to look at one DNA sample.
They won't even admit a flood, when the very definition of flood is "to cover previously dry land with water” and the evidence is glaringly evident on Google Earth. Yes, there was a flood even if they want to call it rising sea levels, which is a flood. All those areas now underwater, is seen on Google Earth. Not only that, Pangea is evident, the African Rift is still widening, the Himalayas are growing taller and even the Zagros Mountains are being pushed further.
The man that the Hebrews called Noah, when he came off the mountain he made wine, and at the foothills of Zagros is the oldest grape and wine making industry in history.
Seems to me the Bible writers knew what they were talking about. Nothing was borrowed, because it all came from the same source of origin, even the very language the critics use...it is simply a modern form of Sanskrit, which the Rig Vedas were written in. And wait, what is next door to that? Why of course, Harappa, and who was there? Oh yes, the original Sumerians. And who was from Sumer? Why yes, Abraham.
And why are they always saying that there is no way there could be an event such as the Tower of Babel when the very origin of Proto Indo European is from...guess where? You got it, the Central Asian Eurasian IndoEuropean SUMER, which is next door to...no, you’ll not get this one...Shinar. Wait, what was in Shinar? You got it, the Tower of Babel.
The next time they complain about the Bible not being true, I will remind them Proto Indo European….and it doesn't take a genius to figure out that Indo means…..from what part of the world? Asia...and Europe means..well, we all know that.
Central Asia, the birthplace of our English language and the Hebrew Bible. But maybe the critics speak a different language?
I have suspected for some time that Zagros is the mountain range. And there is a peak called Kuh-e Hami.
@JR,
Oh, but JR, you don’t know that it does.
Japheth, the eldest son, his name is found from India to Ireland, from Greece to Scandinavia and his children Gomer, Madai, Javan, Tubal, Mesheck, Tiras, Ashkenaz are all found in place names everywhere.
They were known to Herodotus, Strabo, Ptolemy, the Assyrians, Homer, Aristophanes, Josephus, Pliny, Eusebius, Romans, Vedic Indians, Babylonians and the writers of the Hebrew Bible.
Their names are found in villages, lakes, rivers and entire groups of people.
And Ham, let's not forget Ham, which is the father of Egyptians (Khem) and Cush.
And Shem, the father of the Hebrews through Eber, and the Arabians.
In fact, the vedic sages say that Japheth’s name was Djapatischta, and his brothers were Sharma and Charma.
Not only that, genetics also verify this in Central Asia, and Spencer Wells and National Geographic went to Kazahkstan to interview a man whose paternal ancestor was the father of Europeans, Asians and Native Americans. As all the ancient writers, historians, kings, rulers and sages all have pointed back to who the Greeks called Iopades, the Romans called Iouspater and the Indians called Djapatischta, I think that linguistically, anthropologically, archaeologically, historical records and genetics prove it.
Even Spencer Wells said the father of all of Europe, Asia and Native Americans came from one man, in Central Asia.
And the Bible said so almost 4,000 years ago when the sons of Shem sat down with their quills and recorded places that they had never visited, such as Armenia. And they knew Gaul was a descendant of Gomer, and that Javan was the Ionians. Really though, you could say it was all a myth, but then you would have to deny that all of these people live in places named for their patriarch Japheth knew what they were talking about, because even the Scythians couldn’t not have possibly been of Japheth, but they were.
I know you probably don’t believe the Bible but perhaps the actual geographic place names and descendants might be tangible enough to believe?
Half of the ancient Egyptian past will never be unveiled in my personal opinion due to the massive amounts of sand covering the Valley floor. There must be ways to scan below the depths of sand to reveal what lies beneath. There has to be temples and ruins elsewhere and long lost history.
.(~_^) No Surprise these valuable findings aren't talk about. For the same reason that the Vatican's Library holds so many of the worlds facts, truths and origins. Yet, for the sake of their religious empire we are not allowed access to this knowledge.
This is the History of Mankind .. what kind of person would feel we aren't worthy of the answers to our questions. For Money into their coffers, this would spoil the profits. So they keep us or try to .. thinking like Sheeple. SAD TIMES. in a world about communications. Which we are tied off from, the most important subject. Where do we come from ? Seems they don't want us to know.
I thought the same thing, Osiris, then I read this in the scholarly paper:
“In fact there is a long tradition associating wild carnivores to human sacrifice throughout Mesoamerica. At the post-Teotihuacan sites of Tula and Chichén Itzá, felids are depicted devouring human hearts on stone and stucco friezes in the ceremonial center. Ample iconographic evidence at Teotihuacan similarly depicts the active role of carnivores in human sacrificial rites. Carnivores are illustrated in procession holding large sacrificial knives, in military regalia and even devouring human hearts. The felids from the ritual deposits at Teotihuacan that were interred alongside beheaded human sacrificial victims may have been actively involved in state-ritualized activities beyond their roles as sacrificial victims.”
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North America was regularly visited in 3000 BCE by Akkadian and allied miners who worked the copper mines at Lake Superior. So a Roman ship is a late comer indeed.
Victor: "That's what separates the believers (religious) from the know-ers (spiritual)."
akinchana: To know not only implies the comprehension or awareness of something, but also involves the belief or conviction of the truth or falsity of that thing, so the 'know-ers' are also believers. Can you prove the monist (non-dualist) philosophy of which you speak? If not, then, by your definition, you are a religionist---a believer.
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why are we talking about this ?? this is not interesting . what IS interesting is that secret room they found in tuts tomb.. why are we not having a DAILY watch on the progress being made there ?
AND -- the possible tunnels in the great pyramid they found with that latest scans of heat temperatures.
THESE are interesting . I WANT DAILY UPDATES. please get a contact of there and start doing some reporting .
thanks
STRONG evidence required...!
Is that "marble" what we now call "Pink" Marble?
I only ask because it doesn't seem to have the sheen of marble - though I accept it has been left open to dust gathering, which may have dulled its surface. But has no one tried wiping the dust off of it...???
“Quote:
"It is not a coincidence that such active animal management programs coincided with the development of large monumental structures where animals were embedded into pyramids as key symbols of the Teotihuacan state".
No, this is not a coincidence at all since “ferocious animals” were imbedded in their Myths of Creation and NOT took part in any oferings at all.
It appears to me that the story was related to some serial abductor who may have used handy sound instruments (like a small organ, ratcheting or string etc) to lure children to lonely corners or any house and later abduct them (recall the word 'kid'-napping/nabbing). Children finds always such things attractive that have some strange sound or lights coming out of em. The indecent might have terrified the unsuspecting citizens so much that that they made a story out of it to WARN the future generations of such dangers. It could have been the 'crime of the century' back then. The piper was made 'pied' and his music 'hypnotic' to attract children's attention. Most advices for children go into deaf ears.
And that piper/charmer-cum-abductor was probably never caught he only vanished after nabbing a few kids in ONE day.
It appears to me that the story was related to some serial abductor who may have used handy sound instruments (like a small organ, ratcheting or string etc) to lure children to lonely corners or any house and later abduct them (recall the word 'kid'-napping/nabbing). Children finds always such things attractive that have some strange sound or lights coming out of em. The indecent might have terrified the unsuspecting citizens so much that that they made a story out of it to WARN the future generations of such dangers. It could have been the 'crime of the century' back then. The piper was made 'pied' and his music 'hypnotic' to attract children's attention. Most advices for children go into deaf ears.
And that piper/charmer-cum-abductor was probably never caught he only vanished after nabbing a few kids in ONE day.
Yet the physical descendants of Japheth, Shem and Ham are known by their patrynomic names.
As I had said in my post earlier was that linguistics, archaeology, anthropology and genetics all say the same thing, Europeans, Asians and Native Americans came from one man and his name was Japheth.
Spencer Wells and National Geographic proved it.
And they want to say that we are not academic or have not done enough research, but Biblical researchers have spent more years tracing history through all the historical sources extra-Biblical than the average BA in biology has spent in a lab to look at one DNA sample.
They won't even admit a flood, when the very definition of flood is "to cover previously dry land with water” and the evidence is glaringly evident on Google Earth. Yes, there was a flood even if they want to call it rising sea levels, which is a flood. All those areas now underwater, is seen on Google Earth. Not only that, Pangea is evident, the African Rift is still widening, the Himalayas are growing taller and even the Zagros Mountains are being pushed further.
The man that the Hebrews called Noah, when he came off the mountain he made wine, and at the foothills of Zagros is the oldest grape and wine making industry in history.
Seems to me the Bible writers knew what they were talking about. Nothing was borrowed, because it all came from the same source of origin, even the very language the critics use...it is simply a modern form of Sanskrit, which the Rig Vedas were written in. And wait, what is next door to that? Why of course, Harappa, and who was there? Oh yes, the original Sumerians. And who was from Sumer? Why yes, Abraham.
And why are they always saying that there is no way there could be an event such as the Tower of Babel when the very origin of Proto Indo European is from...guess where? You got it, the Central Asian Eurasian IndoEuropean SUMER, which is next door to...no, you’ll not get this one...Shinar. Wait, what was in Shinar? You got it, the Tower of Babel.
The next time they complain about the Bible not being true, I will remind them Proto Indo European….and it doesn't take a genius to figure out that Indo means…..from what part of the world? Asia...and Europe means..well, we all know that.
Central Asia, the birthplace of our English language and the Hebrew Bible. But maybe the critics speak a different language?
I have suspected for some time that Zagros is the mountain range. And there is a peak called Kuh-e Hami.
@JR,
Oh, but JR, you don’t know that it does.
Japheth, the eldest son, his name is found from India to Ireland, from Greece to Scandinavia and his children Gomer, Madai, Javan, Tubal, Mesheck, Tiras, Ashkenaz are all found in place names everywhere.
They were known to Herodotus, Strabo, Ptolemy, the Assyrians, Homer, Aristophanes, Josephus, Pliny, Eusebius, Romans, Vedic Indians, Babylonians and the writers of the Hebrew Bible.
Their names are found in villages, lakes, rivers and entire groups of people.
And Ham, let's not forget Ham, which is the father of Egyptians (Khem) and Cush.
And Shem, the father of the Hebrews through Eber, and the Arabians.
In fact, the vedic sages say that Japheth’s name was Djapatischta, and his brothers were Sharma and Charma.
Not only that, genetics also verify this in Central Asia, and Spencer Wells and National Geographic went to Kazahkstan to interview a man whose paternal ancestor was the father of Europeans, Asians and Native Americans. As all the ancient writers, historians, kings, rulers and sages all have pointed back to who the Greeks called Iopades, the Romans called Iouspater and the Indians called Djapatischta, I think that linguistically, anthropologically, archaeologically, historical records and genetics prove it.
Even Spencer Wells said the father of all of Europe, Asia and Native Americans came from one man, in Central Asia.
And the Bible said so almost 4,000 years ago when the sons of Shem sat down with their quills and recorded places that they had never visited, such as Armenia. And they knew Gaul was a descendant of Gomer, and that Javan was the Ionians. Really though, you could say it was all a myth, but then you would have to deny that all of these people live in places named for their patriarch Japheth knew what they were talking about, because even the Scythians couldn’t not have possibly been of Japheth, but they were.
I know you probably don’t believe the Bible but perhaps the actual geographic place names and descendants might be tangible enough to believe?
Your write up on Il Separatio is one of the most interesting pieces I have read in the last 10 years.
Half of the ancient Egyptian past will never be unveiled in my personal opinion due to the massive amounts of sand covering the Valley floor. There must be ways to scan below the depths of sand to reveal what lies beneath. There has to be temples and ruins elsewhere and long lost history.
You mean Titus who passed by the Sea of Galilee...
.(~_^) No Surprise these valuable findings aren't talk about. For the same reason that the Vatican's Library holds so many of the worlds facts, truths and origins. Yet, for the sake of their religious empire we are not allowed access to this knowledge.
This is the History of Mankind .. what kind of person would feel we aren't worthy of the answers to our questions. For Money into their coffers, this would spoil the profits. So they keep us or try to .. thinking like Sheeple. SAD TIMES. in a world about communications. Which we are tied off from, the most important subject. Where do we come from ? Seems they don't want us to know.
I thought the same thing, Osiris, then I read this in the scholarly paper:
“In fact there is a long tradition associating wild carnivores to human sacrifice throughout Mesoamerica. At the post-Teotihuacan sites of Tula and Chichén Itzá, felids are depicted devouring human hearts on stone and stucco friezes in the ceremonial center. Ample iconographic evidence at Teotihuacan similarly depicts the active role of carnivores in human sacrificial rites. Carnivores are illustrated in procession holding large sacrificial knives, in military regalia and even devouring human hearts. The felids from the ritual deposits at Teotihuacan that were interred alongside beheaded human sacrificial victims may have been actively involved in state-ritualized activities beyond their roles as sacrificial victims.”
Mark Miller
If anything is proves people haven't evolved since the carvings.
Well, I'm just glad my head was never bound.
Ahhhh, I see Don Pepe's post. What about anything else?
So, what's the status of the skulls?
This is one of the best discussions on any of the articles on this site I've ever seen!
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