There was no belief that dead Egyptians needed their old bodies in their old form, they needed a body that was going to last FOREVER. Those shriveled up, blackened bodies that you see as a failure of mortuary engineering are actually exactly what their religion called for: a vessel in this world for an immortal soul to have permanent access to should it need anything.
The facts are just a few of the lost history that is brushed over or overlooked. History is not taught as a pre-cursor to avoid mistakes of the past. the truth is not even taught
Also, could it be that this catastrophc flood that is laid into almost 3000 different cultures and languages actually happened and that this is what truly killed off everything instead of just an ice age? If you had a global flood as told in the story of gilgamesh or even the chinese flood accounts mayan etc it would cause the earth to cool tremendously.I mean the fact that they have found hundreds of frozen alive animals with fresh vegitation in their mouths and digestive tracts would point towards something far quicker than a crazy climate change from a single volcano or meteor impact? Just speculating.
Why is it that the most powerful entity and all religion around the world is based on this? The masons , who can arguably be the most powerful orginization in the whole world have a very astute and profound belief in Nimord, the grandmaster mason, who built the tower of Babel as well as assyria ninevah , babylon UR Egypt etc... All religions both pagan and christian polytheistic and monotheistic have roots back to this event. Do any of you really believe that man was dumb enough or not smart enough to know better than to make up stories and spend billions of dollars in gold silver and precious stone, as well as enslaving thousands to build these monuments for them to be fake? What alot of you are saying doesnt add up.Maybe look into the ancient mystery religion of Zoroaster and compare the details of all of these religions from around the world, both modern and ancient and tell me that its all fairy tales... The fact that not only the bible but many important ancient cuneiforms an tablets as well as monuments all point to the same things and events there has to be some genuiness to the documentation of this. Also, the fact that all of the worlds religions have about the same starting times around the start of the bronze age and have massive simularities and heirachy of gods all are almost identical. Maybe there is some truth to this tower and languages hence the mass migration of peoples around the world with similar cultures and religions even with 1000's of miles between. Its hard to tell the exact same story in multiple languages. Maybe this was the true intent of the Rosetta stone to try and unite the major nations tongues to get this once great mass of people together in defiance? Just food for thought..
sir, first phote of five panels which period and the inscription on it which language kannada or telugu. (it is a fort war (kota kalagam) hero stone) . please inform
Djonis says: "Essentially, and contrary to a common belief that Plato’s Atlantis may have been somewhere in the Atlantic Ocean, a recent study shows that Plato's island of Atlantis was in the Mediterranean Sea and just few kilometers north of the island of Santorini."
This is rubbish. Plato, in Timaeus, explicitly says that Atlantis was a power that "came forth out of the Atlantic Ocean." He distinguishes the Atlantic Ocean, which he refers to as "the real sea," and "the true ocean," from the Mediterranean Sea, which he describes as "the sea which is within the Straits of Heracles," and as being "only a harbor, having a narrow entrance."
So the only way that someone can claim that the "island of Atlantis" was inside the Mediterranean Sea is to claim that "The Straits of Heracles" was not what referring to what we now call the Straits of Gibraltar, but some other strait within the Mediterranean Sea. There is absolutely no evidence in support of such a notion.
Also, the plain of Atlantis, as described by Plato, was much bigger than the Cyclades Plateau ever was. Its dimensions were said to be 2000 by 3000 stadia, or 230 miles by 340 miles (No, it is not controversial that 1 mile = 8.8 Greek stadia). Other scholars have tried to argue that all of the numbers in Plato's dialogues were off by a factor of 10. The problem with this hypothesis is that if the measurements of length were off by a factor of 10, so should all of the other numbers, including how long ago Atlantis supposedly existed. But Djonis maintains that his "Atlantis" sank when Plato said it did - about 9000 years before his time. To suggest that Plato got the time measurements right but the length measurements wrong is absurd.
Djonis also makes the egregious error of conflating Athens with Atlantis at the end of his article. He says: "Poetically once more, he compared these small islets to the 'bones of the wasted body' of the 'country' that once was there," with a quote that follows. But this quote is actually referring to not Atlantis, but the ancient Athens that existed contemporaneously with Atlantis and was supposedly destroyed in the same cataclysm.
Here is the context of the quote: "Even the remnant of Attica which now exists may compare with any region in the world for the variety and excellence of its fruits and the suitableness of its pastures to every sort of animal, which proves what I am saying; but in those days the country was fair as now and yielded far more abundant produce. How shall I establish my words? and what part of it can be truly called a remnant of the land that then was? The whole country is only a long promontory extending far into the sea away from the rest of the continent, while the surrounding basin of the sea is everywhere deep in the neighbourhood of the shore. Many great deluges have taken place during the nine thousand years, for that is the number of years which have elapsed since the time of which I am speaking; and during all this time and through so many changes, there has never been any considerable accumulation of the soil coming down from the mountains, as in other places, but the earth has fallen away all round and sunk out of sight. The consequence is, that in comparison of what then was, there are remaining only the bones of the wasted body, as they may be called, as in the case of small islands, all the richer and softer parts of the soil having fallen away, and the mere skeleton of the land being left."
Clearly, Plato is referring to ancient Athens, which he calls Attica, in this passage, and not Atlantis.
While this is just a single mistake, it is one that demonstrates that the author has a superficial understanding of Plato's dialogues, whether in English or the original Greek.
This recent evaluation of Plato's text revealed that simple errors and flawed interpretations by early translators led many researchers in the past to look for Atlantis in all the wrong places. Consequently, unlike all past “discoveries,” including recent ones that led to more speculation rather than real evidence, for the first time, there is a tangible site where all the physical characteristics perfectly match Plato’s account.
This is so stupid it beggars belief. Here is a person who cannot understand the basic facts about the text he is reading, making the amateurish mistake of conflating Athens and Atlantis...and he is bold enough to suggest that there have been translation errors? No, no. The errors are in the author's interpretation and understanding of the dialogues, not in the translations. The scholars who translated these works from Greek to English were first class scholars. This is just a rhetorical trick that the author of the article is using to make his point. Shameful.
Djonis' article and book have done a tremendous disservice to Atlantis research.
The Sphinx is thought to predate the Great Pyramid by 3000 to 4000 years. The Sphinx shows signs that it went through a massive Flood.
The peoples we consider as being Ancient Egyptians (about the time of construction of the Great Pyramid) have references in their records to the "First Time" or a civilization more advanced than they.
"Civilization One" and "Before the Pyramids". - Christopher Knight and Alan Butler. There is some overlap in the content, but I recommend reading both books in that order. "Before the Pyramids" has the authors claiming the architect who created the pattern for the Great Pyramid and the 2 lesser pyramids had to have visited Northern England to learn about that pattern. The pattern is the same as the 3 stars in the Belt of Orion, where the Pharaohs spent their afterlife. The pattern could not be determined in Egypt. {I need to check the title of the first book}
The location of Atlantis has kept scholars busy for decades and they are no closer now than they began their search.
Civilization has not been one of progress. Between centuries of progress have been numerous dark ages. Everyone knows about the Dark Ages that engulfed Europe following the collapse of the Western Roman Empire. A dark age engulfed the Greece and the Aegean world following the Trojan War in which the Greeks forgot how to read and write. Mesopotamia underwent a dark age between 2200 and 2500BC when it languished through a 300 year drought. Greece's loss of literacy presents one of the problems with understanding Atlantis.
There were several Pillar's of Hercules, the most misleading is the Strait of Gibraltar, a relative newcomer to the list. By misleading, I mean that forced researchers to head into the Atlantic Ocean. Another one is on an island west of Santorini. The Hellespont was another P of H. There was another P of H situated that Malta could have been Atlantis. A Mediterranean Sea with substantially less water would have enlarged Malta and allowed other near by areas to become islands.
An often overlooked part of the story is the war between Atlantis and Athens. Would there be a pretext for war if Atlantis was located for example in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean? I think not. The Atlanteans were supposed to have fielded a massive fleet and army of a combined strength of 1.2 million men. To me, the logistics moves the location into the Mediterranean Sea area. Malta, the surrounding islands and part of Libya becomes a likely candidate. Malta has some submerged large structures, another plus.
Most of my information comes from the book below.
"Meet Me In Atlantis: My Obsessive Quest To Find The Sunken City". - Mark Adams. In his book, Adams interviews several scientists, each having a different prospective location for Atlantis. Adams does not actually search for the city.
I am going to make a couple other comments as replies to other posters to end my comments here.
You talk like you know me. You don't. Yes, bones do disintegrate rapidly in wet climates like this one. But bones are still found. Remember how the bones of a certain serial killer were found months later? Some evidence would occur. Also, Sasquatch is reported in the eastern part of the state. That's dry country. So, great explorer, I still say evidence would be found. It hasn't. If it happens in my lifetime I'll say "oops!".
The book of Josephus goes into great detail on the Tower of Babel. He writes that it took a man over a year to walk around the base. If a man fell during the construction it was expected but if a brick fell everyone mourned.
I found a dead deer just about 40 yards from my front door. In three days there wasn't one bone left or piece of flesh or skin. All gone in three days. But you expect to come across sasquatch bones on the corner of a street in the city you never leave. Arm chair explorers, gee they get the job done. It's nice that your entire investment in discovery can be done on your chair in front of a computer screen. Your the man. rev.
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Thank you for your balanced, common-sense post.
Very Interesting
There was no belief that dead Egyptians needed their old bodies in their old form, they needed a body that was going to last FOREVER. Those shriveled up, blackened bodies that you see as a failure of mortuary engineering are actually exactly what their religion called for: a vessel in this world for an immortal soul to have permanent access to should it need anything.
The facts are just a few of the lost history that is brushed over or overlooked. History is not taught as a pre-cursor to avoid mistakes of the past. the truth is not even taught
I enjoy reading your articles
I am a medical doctor, a photographer, amateur astronomist and an avid Ancient History reader, I enjoy your page and blogs.
Quick update
Well I had a really interesting time the last few weeks.
Posted my results on the Hall of Maat site and my post explaining my results was immediiately deleted. This is the second time this has happened.
Then I was invited to Unexplained Mysteries, and another poster falsified data to try to discredit my work.
Very interesting….
It's great that modern science gives us a possibility to learn more about the historic personalities and their life.
Who is they? and who did you suppose might pay?
Also, could it be that this catastrophc flood that is laid into almost 3000 different cultures and languages actually happened and that this is what truly killed off everything instead of just an ice age? If you had a global flood as told in the story of gilgamesh or even the chinese flood accounts mayan etc it would cause the earth to cool tremendously.I mean the fact that they have found hundreds of frozen alive animals with fresh vegitation in their mouths and digestive tracts would point towards something far quicker than a crazy climate change from a single volcano or meteor impact? Just speculating.
Also, one might be interested in the story of gilgamesh as well as the white stag if this interests anyone.
Why is it that the most powerful entity and all religion around the world is based on this? The masons , who can arguably be the most powerful orginization in the whole world have a very astute and profound belief in Nimord, the grandmaster mason, who built the tower of Babel as well as assyria ninevah , babylon UR Egypt etc... All religions both pagan and christian polytheistic and monotheistic have roots back to this event. Do any of you really believe that man was dumb enough or not smart enough to know better than to make up stories and spend billions of dollars in gold silver and precious stone, as well as enslaving thousands to build these monuments for them to be fake? What alot of you are saying doesnt add up.Maybe look into the ancient mystery religion of Zoroaster and compare the details of all of these religions from around the world, both modern and ancient and tell me that its all fairy tales... The fact that not only the bible but many important ancient cuneiforms an tablets as well as monuments all point to the same things and events there has to be some genuiness to the documentation of this. Also, the fact that all of the worlds religions have about the same starting times around the start of the bronze age and have massive simularities and heirachy of gods all are almost identical. Maybe there is some truth to this tower and languages hence the mass migration of peoples around the world with similar cultures and religions even with 1000's of miles between. Its hard to tell the exact same story in multiple languages. Maybe this was the true intent of the Rosetta stone to try and unite the major nations tongues to get this once great mass of people together in defiance? Just food for thought..
sir, first phote of five panels which period and the inscription on it which language kannada or telugu. (it is a fort war (kota kalagam) hero stone) . please inform
Djonis says: "Essentially, and contrary to a common belief that Plato’s Atlantis may have been somewhere in the Atlantic Ocean, a recent study shows that Plato's island of Atlantis was in the Mediterranean Sea and just few kilometers north of the island of Santorini."
This is rubbish. Plato, in Timaeus, explicitly says that Atlantis was a power that "came forth out of the Atlantic Ocean." He distinguishes the Atlantic Ocean, which he refers to as "the real sea," and "the true ocean," from the Mediterranean Sea, which he describes as "the sea which is within the Straits of Heracles," and as being "only a harbor, having a narrow entrance."
So the only way that someone can claim that the "island of Atlantis" was inside the Mediterranean Sea is to claim that "The Straits of Heracles" was not what referring to what we now call the Straits of Gibraltar, but some other strait within the Mediterranean Sea. There is absolutely no evidence in support of such a notion.
Also, the plain of Atlantis, as described by Plato, was much bigger than the Cyclades Plateau ever was. Its dimensions were said to be 2000 by 3000 stadia, or 230 miles by 340 miles (No, it is not controversial that 1 mile = 8.8 Greek stadia). Other scholars have tried to argue that all of the numbers in Plato's dialogues were off by a factor of 10. The problem with this hypothesis is that if the measurements of length were off by a factor of 10, so should all of the other numbers, including how long ago Atlantis supposedly existed. But Djonis maintains that his "Atlantis" sank when Plato said it did - about 9000 years before his time. To suggest that Plato got the time measurements right but the length measurements wrong is absurd.
Djonis also makes the egregious error of conflating Athens with Atlantis at the end of his article. He says: "Poetically once more, he compared these small islets to the 'bones of the wasted body' of the 'country' that once was there," with a quote that follows. But this quote is actually referring to not Atlantis, but the ancient Athens that existed contemporaneously with Atlantis and was supposedly destroyed in the same cataclysm.
Here is the context of the quote: "Even the remnant of Attica which now exists may compare with any region in the world for the variety and excellence of its fruits and the suitableness of its pastures to every sort of animal, which proves what I am saying; but in those days the country was fair as now and yielded far more abundant produce. How shall I establish my words? and what part of it can be truly called a remnant of the land that then was? The whole country is only a long promontory extending far into the sea away from the rest of the continent, while the surrounding basin of the sea is everywhere deep in the neighbourhood of the shore. Many great deluges have taken place during the nine thousand years, for that is the number of years which have elapsed since the time of which I am speaking; and during all this time and through so many changes, there has never been any considerable accumulation of the soil coming down from the mountains, as in other places, but the earth has fallen away all round and sunk out of sight. The consequence is, that in comparison of what then was, there are remaining only the bones of the wasted body, as they may be called, as in the case of small islands, all the richer and softer parts of the soil having fallen away, and the mere skeleton of the land being left."
Clearly, Plato is referring to ancient Athens, which he calls Attica, in this passage, and not Atlantis.
While this is just a single mistake, it is one that demonstrates that the author has a superficial understanding of Plato's dialogues, whether in English or the original Greek.
This recent evaluation of Plato's text revealed that simple errors and flawed interpretations by early translators led many researchers in the past to look for Atlantis in all the wrong places. Consequently, unlike all past “discoveries,” including recent ones that led to more speculation rather than real evidence, for the first time, there is a tangible site where all the physical characteristics perfectly match Plato’s account.
This is so stupid it beggars belief. Here is a person who cannot understand the basic facts about the text he is reading, making the amateurish mistake of conflating Athens and Atlantis...and he is bold enough to suggest that there have been translation errors? No, no. The errors are in the author's interpretation and understanding of the dialogues, not in the translations. The scholars who translated these works from Greek to English were first class scholars. This is just a rhetorical trick that the author of the article is using to make his point. Shameful.
Djonis' article and book have done a tremendous disservice to Atlantis research.
The Sphinx is thought to predate the Great Pyramid by 3000 to 4000 years. The Sphinx shows signs that it went through a massive Flood.
The peoples we consider as being Ancient Egyptians (about the time of construction of the Great Pyramid) have references in their records to the "First Time" or a civilization more advanced than they.
"Civilization One" and "Before the Pyramids". - Christopher Knight and Alan Butler. There is some overlap in the content, but I recommend reading both books in that order. "Before the Pyramids" has the authors claiming the architect who created the pattern for the Great Pyramid and the 2 lesser pyramids had to have visited Northern England to learn about that pattern. The pattern is the same as the 3 stars in the Belt of Orion, where the Pharaohs spent their afterlife. The pattern could not be determined in Egypt. {I need to check the title of the first book}
The location of Atlantis has kept scholars busy for decades and they are no closer now than they began their search.
Civilization has not been one of progress. Between centuries of progress have been numerous dark ages. Everyone knows about the Dark Ages that engulfed Europe following the collapse of the Western Roman Empire. A dark age engulfed the Greece and the Aegean world following the Trojan War in which the Greeks forgot how to read and write. Mesopotamia underwent a dark age between 2200 and 2500BC when it languished through a 300 year drought. Greece's loss of literacy presents one of the problems with understanding Atlantis.
There were several Pillar's of Hercules, the most misleading is the Strait of Gibraltar, a relative newcomer to the list. By misleading, I mean that forced researchers to head into the Atlantic Ocean. Another one is on an island west of Santorini. The Hellespont was another P of H. There was another P of H situated that Malta could have been Atlantis. A Mediterranean Sea with substantially less water would have enlarged Malta and allowed other near by areas to become islands.
An often overlooked part of the story is the war between Atlantis and Athens. Would there be a pretext for war if Atlantis was located for example in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean? I think not. The Atlanteans were supposed to have fielded a massive fleet and army of a combined strength of 1.2 million men. To me, the logistics moves the location into the Mediterranean Sea area. Malta, the surrounding islands and part of Libya becomes a likely candidate. Malta has some submerged large structures, another plus.
Most of my information comes from the book below.
"Meet Me In Atlantis: My Obsessive Quest To Find The Sunken City". - Mark Adams. In his book, Adams interviews several scientists, each having a different prospective location for Atlantis. Adams does not actually search for the city.
I am going to make a couple other comments as replies to other posters to end my comments here.
You talk like you know me. You don't. Yes, bones do disintegrate rapidly in wet climates like this one. But bones are still found. Remember how the bones of a certain serial killer were found months later? Some evidence would occur. Also, Sasquatch is reported in the eastern part of the state. That's dry country. So, great explorer, I still say evidence would be found. It hasn't. If it happens in my lifetime I'll say "oops!".
If it were a die, then it would have been worn on the balls.
The book of Josephus goes into great detail on the Tower of Babel. He writes that it took a man over a year to walk around the base. If a man fell during the construction it was expected but if a brick fell everyone mourned.
I found a dead deer just about 40 yards from my front door. In three days there wasn't one bone left or piece of flesh or skin. All gone in three days. But you expect to come across sasquatch bones on the corner of a street in the city you never leave. Arm chair explorers, gee they get the job done. It's nice that your entire investment in discovery can be done on your chair in front of a computer screen. Your the man. rev.
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