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  • Reply to: The Water of Life: Alcohol as Medicine Through the Ages   7 years 11 months ago
    Comment Author: Rudi Kramp

    It is said that if the only alcohol one drinks is a teaspoon of brandy a day, it's very healthy.

  • Reply to: A Brief History of a Dutch Island - Manhattan   7 years 11 months ago
    Comment Author: Rudi Kramp

    It is like here in the Western Cape, South Africa, which was also a Dutch and then British colony. It was Dutch from 1652 until 1795, and again from 1803 until 1805. So, longer than in New York area. One can for instance compare the influences of two places. The USA and South African have also overall had similar histories.

  • Reply to: Atlantis: Examining the Legendary Tale of Plato   7 years 11 months ago
    Comment Author: Patrick vallée

    There is some wealthy man who wants/can put some funding in an underwater expedition?

    This could rewrite our acknowledged history.

    Just to put that in the face of the mainstream historian, i would do this if i had the money lol.

     

  • Reply to: Atlantis: Examining the Legendary Tale of Plato   7 years 11 months ago
    Comment Author: sam2000

    Yes I agree we got the def of Civilization a little mixed up. I am sure they weren't all the same 'Nation' but had the same understanding of technology, whatever that technology happened to be.

    And thats where the mystery begins. What was their technology? It sure wasn't electricity as we understand it today? Seems like things were different then.

    Many of the structures are based on things like Golden Ratio and Sacred Geometry, which makes one think that maybe their technology was of the Earth. They worshiped the earth, they used the energy of the earth. They harnessed nature to do their biding. THEY WERE TRULY ADVANCED...and intuned with the nature around them. How exactly they accomplished some of the feats (Pyramids etc) remains mystery. But definite seems like pyramid was somehow harnessing the energy of the earth. For what? whooooo knowwwss

  • Reply to: Atlantis: Examining the Legendary Tale of Plato   7 years 11 months ago
    Comment Author: sam2000

    But the intial meteor impacts were in North America from what I have found and read.

  • Reply to: Atlantis: Examining the Legendary Tale of Plato   7 years 11 months ago
    Comment Author: Perr

    I'm completely convinced some global disaster hit life on earth big time. In my head that's a given certainty.

  • Reply to: Atlantis: Examining the Legendary Tale of Plato   7 years 11 months ago
    Comment Author: sam2000

    I dont think so. Meteor impacts 13000 years ago started the initial wave of disasters along with a 1000 years in huge drops in global temperature than followed by rapid warming causing huge global floods. Basically a 1000 years of Ash, earthquakes and disaster followed by HUGE HUGE FLOODS (NOHAS FLOOD).

  • Reply to: A Brief History of a Dutch Island - Manhattan   7 years 11 months ago
    Comment Author: Geuz

    Manhattan was bought, and also where other colonies, from the locals.
    The Dutch culture back than was Reformation. The New Netherlands project discovered that freed slaves would live there also. The Netherlands had the Dutch United East India Company as a military tool during the 80-Year war against Roman Catholics, that controlled Spain and Portugal back than. In that way, is can not be compared to current Multinationals, because the United East India Company was working on orders of a government, that had freed itself from a multinational Tyranny by romanists.

  • Reply to: Atlantis: Examining the Legendary Tale of Plato   7 years 11 months ago
    Comment Author: sam2000

    Also, remember that Plato is recounting events from 9000 years before his own time, so his stories cant be taken as literal as they are History Passed Down through Word unlike written history. Pluto just happened to write what he heard. But one has to think in bigger context to understand what happened on earth 12-13000 years ago. Thanks to new discoveries in science evidence of GLOBAL cataclysmic 12-13000 years is becoming reality and not only did it wipe of many animals it also wiped out a past advanced civilization that spread across the planet.

  • Reply to: Atlantis: Examining the Legendary Tale of Plato   7 years 11 months ago
    Comment Author: Perr

    Isn't it already proven that the rapid rise of the world's sealevels was because two extremely huge lakes in the what's now called North America's broke through their basis borders? Dumping most of their water into the seas?

  • Reply to: Atlantis: Examining the Legendary Tale of Plato   7 years 11 months ago
    Comment Author: Perr

    I get that you would point out Gobleki Tepe, Baalbek, Gizeh, etc :)
    Although I don't think it was one and the same civilization.

    It's like today. We all (Americans, Europeans, Asians, etc) have more or less the same technology at our disposal, but we are not all and the same civilization. (Maybe we have a different interpretation of label 'civilization' here I just realized, but bare with me..)

    So is it too far fetched that ~12.000 BC the then ruling civilizationS were at their pinnacle (or close to) of development? Making it so that all the different civilizations had the same technological background (like we have today) which resulted in the same kind of building techniques used in different area's of the world? I mean, like today we all build skyscrapers. Although they look different from the outside, the way we build these structures is more or less the same.
    This could also go for the structures made all that time ago.
    Raises the question how those people actually managed to relay their knowledge to eachother, but that's a story for a different time ;)

    I DO believe though that at least the great Pyramid of Gizeh pre-dates the Egyptians quite a while, as well as the Sphinx. Both being a remnant of the advanced civilizations the Atlanteans were a example of.
    I could it be that the Atlanteans (in this case the civilization that lived on the now-submerged island) were even the ones who put both there! *mindboggling*

    Now, the 1st thing to do imho is to get a submersible to that 'sunken' island and start digging!
    Who know's what we'll find :D

  • Reply to: Atlantis: Examining the Legendary Tale of Plato   7 years 11 months ago
    Comment Author: sam2000

    Keep in mind that this cataclysm between 13000-1200 years ago (younger Dryus) was basically caused by meteor impacts followed by one thousand years of nuclear winter followed by huge global floods due to rapid warming after the nuclear winter, being that earth was already at the end of an ice age. Therefor what or whomever humans survived the initial impact and than the floods went into pure survival mode and history was reset and forgotten and than civilization resettled itself in the plains of Mesopotamia some 5-6000 years later (4000BC) in what we think is the cradle of civilization

  • Reply to: Atlantis: Examining the Legendary Tale of Plato   7 years 11 months ago
    Comment Author: sam2000

    It fits perfectly actually. Pluto learned about Atlantis from his grandfather which in turned learned about it from the Mystery Schools of Egypt. There he learned that Egyptian King list goes back like 100 thousand years. One doesn't have to look to far....Just look at the ruins of Balbek in Lebanon or Peru or Pyramids in China or Bosnia, or underwater ruins all around the world, newly discovered megaliths in Turkey dating back to 10000 years as well as ruins found in Russia and south America....these ruins show Structures that we can barley build today spread across the planet with the same building techniques....which shows a Pr-Cataclysmic Atalantian Civilization with Advanced Building techniques in some cases evidence of Electrical Saws to Cut Granite.....Unfortunately this article about Atlantis just SUCKS and would be good for a super beginner in this field.

  • Reply to: Atlantis: Examining the Legendary Tale of Plato   7 years 11 months ago
    Comment Author: Perr

    Atlantis as a Global civilization is a interesting premise! But doesn't really fit though.
    Fun thought nevertheless! :)

  • Reply to: Atlantis: Examining the Legendary Tale of Plato   7 years 11 months ago
    Comment Author: sam2000

    Atlantis was not an island, it was a global civilization and its evidence is clear by the remains of megalithic structures found all around the world, from Peru to Egypt to Japan and Turkey and many many other sites. This Global 'Atlantian' Civilization seems to have been wiped of the planet by a huge cataclysm about 12-13000 years ago, the same event that made the saber tooth tiger and mammoth elephant extinct. It seems that this civilization could have thrived for thousands of years before this cataclysmic.

  • Reply to: Atlantis: Examining the Legendary Tale of Plato   7 years 11 months ago
    Comment Author: Perr

    So.. when are they sending a sub down there to do some (re)searching? :D

  • Reply to: Chronicles from the future: Northam’s circle and their social code   7 years 11 months ago
    Comment Author: Campeão da Prim...

    I think you just nailed it!
    I spent the last two hours going through all pages already translated and, despite the psychological contextualization, it lacks the awesomeness of someone trying to describe unknown things, hesitating with advanced concepts.
    I do feel some behavioural pattern of his age the author transfers incounsciently to characters from the 4th Millennium.
    Not a bad reading. Interesting for lovers of sci-fi literature. Not convincing at all.
    And that's my opinion.

  • Reply to: A Brief History of a Dutch Island - Manhattan   7 years 11 months ago
    Comment Author: Amsterdamse Jantje

    "... In the late 1960s, an archivist in the New York State Library made an astounding discovery: 12,000 pages of centuries-old correspondence, court cases, legal contracts, and reports from a forgotten society: the Dutch colony centered on Manhattan, which predated the thirteen “original” American colonies. For the past thirty years scholar Charles Gehring has been translating this trove, which was recently declared a national treasure. Now, Russell Shorto has made use of this vital material to construct a sweeping narrative of Manhattan’s founding that gives a startling, fresh perspective on how America began.

    In an account that blends a novelist’s grasp of storytelling with cutting-edge scholarship, The Island at the Center of the World strips Manhattan of its asphalt, bringing us back to a wilderness island—a hunting ground for Indians, populated by wolves and bears—that became a prize in the global power struggle between the English and the Dutch. Indeed, Russell Shorto shows that America’s founding was not the work of English settlers alone but a result of the clashing of these two seventeenth century powers. In fact, it was Amsterdam—Europe’s most liberal city, with an unusual policy of tolerance and a polyglot society dedicated to free trade—that became the model for the city of New Amsterdam on Manhattan. While the Puritans of New England were founding a society based on intolerance, on Manhattan the Dutch created a free-trade, upwardly-mobile melting pot that would help shape not only New York, but America. ..."

    From: Russel Shorto: The island at the center of the World.

    More about the Dutch origins of New York (and the US for that matter): newnetherlandinstitute .org

  • Reply to: Unexpected and Gruesome Battle of 1250 BC Involved 4,000 Men from Across Northern Europe   7 years 11 months ago
    Comment Author: kerryl.adams@ya...

    Fascinating... will have to explore this hypothesis

  • Reply to: Unexpected and Gruesome Battle of 1250 BC Involved 4,000 Men from Across Northern Europe   7 years 11 months ago
    Comment Author: peter bridge

    The evidence is in Homer's books. The best historians have always commented on their northern origin.
    A Club Med Troy is the result of pseudo archaeologists and later geopolitics of British Greeceballs. If you use the books as travel guides in the Med you will get wrecked. But they are extremely accurate and detailed locators for the Baltic area. Our ultimate cultural origins are in the north. Ancient Greece inherited this and passed it to us. Read Felice Vinci's 'The Baltic Origins of Homer's Epic Tales.

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