The ship carrying the beeswax put aground just south of Manzanita, Oregon and is well known in the area. Several books have been written about it. It was heading for the Philippines when a storm put it aground. It is rumored to have had some treasure and there have been plenty of searches for it. The blocks of beeswax have been found up until about 1930. It is likely that the ship was the one depicted in the movie "Goonies".
sorry but the reliability of C14 like that last guy said is only good to 50k years ago.
so this whole idea of it being a triceratops from 32k Years ago is vanquished. done.
the idea that somehow BIG science has and is trying to pull anything over anyones eyes is pure CT drivel and anyone who thinks logically should depart from these types of craziness
Ofcourse you don't hide it and of course most people won't understand.It is a book written for Freemasons and mysts.It describes your paradise would be my guess but who knows
This isn’t super surprising to me….I think modern humans were most definitely out of Africa 100,000 years ago. There was recently a tooth from a Homo sapien discovered at a cave in China that dated over 100,000 years. I tend to think that would also make more sense at the amount of time given for the first people to arrive in Australia. Very very cool stuff!
Two years ago or so, I would have agreed with you Stuart that the image on the TS was NOT that of the crucified Jesus, but an artist's portrayal of the barbecued Jacques de Molay.
But it was necessary to account for the crucifixion paraphernalia (yes, clearly visible have to say, as do others) on the Lirey medallion, despite its small size (6cm x 4cm). I got round that by supposing that the body image was imprinted first, using a hot metal template - the so-called "scorch hypothesis" - target I might add for much ill-informed and frankly hostile, mainly pseudoscientific criticism- and displayed secretivelly in Templar initiation rites etc as described in somewhat vague terms by Barbara Frale.
Later, maybe a few decades, the potential of the image was realized as a lucrative draw for pilgrims to de Charny's 'private' chapel at his Lirey country seat, read cash cow for a chivalrous knight with a predilection for getting captured and ransomed by the English foe (twice!). Yes, It may have been displayed initially by de Charny himself, maybe without deception as a 'liturgical prop' in conjunction with something else - like a wooden statue of the crucified Jesus, as suggested recently on the lapsed shroudstory site by BSTS Editor Hugh Farey OR maybe by his widow, immediately following her hubby's death at the Battle of Poitiers in 1356.
The re-invention required addition of blood including those 372 scourge marks in all the right places - while noting the Adler/Heller claim that blood was imprinted BEFORE body image - but there's a possible flaw in their interpretation of the experimental observations under the microscope that can wait for now.
In other words, I was suggesting that a Mark 1 Templar exhibit was re-invented and Christianized so to speak, it being handy that Jacques de Molay and Jesus were both reputed to have facial hair (we'll gloss over the age difference, and/or whether the faint negative image allows one to estimate age at time of death).
So what suddenly caused me to drop the Templar connection altogether, and with it the idea that the image was a simple contact scorch from a hot metal template? Answer: the Machy mould for a Lirey medallion that followed ( or possibly preceded) the one that is in the Cluny Museum in Paris.
Are you au fait with Ian Wilson's two monograph (pdf) articles in BSTS newsletters on the Machy mould? I expect you are, being well-informed, but I'd be happy to provide a short summary and overview on my previous postings on the subjec if you wish.
The key feature, replacing the crucifixion paraphernalia on the Cluny badge is the addition of what Wilson describes as a "disembodied face" above the word SUAIRE ("shroud"). Curiously he fails to link the two, despite being next to each other, but I think I know why they were added.
Think another contact imprint, arguably more legend than history, a supposed "holy relic", immediate smaller-scale antecedent of the TS, one that was drawing huge numbers of cure-seeking, indulgence-paying pilgrims to Rome in the 1350s, the subject of a posting on this very site in December last year, one to which I'm presently composing a belated response!
Best stop here. Now back to that other 'holy relic'.
Myth is related to the greek word root MN (Mystic, Mystery, etc). So Myth initially meant ‘word’, ‘advice’, ‘command’ but also ‘opinion’ , ‘suggestion’. Initially ‘Myth’ was anything that was said through speech and wasn’t writen. But later on ‘Logos’ or ‘Speech’ replaced the word ‘Myth’.
After that , Herodotus and others, used myth as a religious story that existed before History – just because it wasn't writen probably.
Here is a site in Greek that gives a very good history of the word:
You lost your credibility when you started talking about 'millions of years ago'.
I'm all for the theory that advanced civilisations were around more than 10 thousand years ago, but millions? Nope.
Even IF they existed that long ago, we wouldn't be able to find remnants on the surface or just below.
So yeah, Uxmal, Giza, Pumu Punku and all those megalithic sites date (in my opinion) from more than 10 thousand years ago, but millions is just to far fetched.
The word ‘ Myth’ originates from the Greek word mythos, meaning ‘word’ or ‘tale’ or ‘true narrative’, referring not only to the means by which it was transmitted but also to its being rooted in truth. Mythos was also closely related to the word myo, meaning ‘to teach’, or ‘to initiate into the mysteries’.
John,
Can you provide more info on mythos=myo=teach. Myo, from what I can find is muscle. Can you pls tell me your source. I need if for a myth presentation of my own. Thanks, Mike
With all due respect, I can’t see the justification in your Elvis allegory to answer my question. Here’s why: In c 1355 when those first public expositions were held, and described only in the "D'Arcis Memorandum", written more than thirty years later, it would appear to me that neither de Charny nor his wife Jeanne de Vergy ever made mention that the shroud had anything to do with Jesus Christ. And if so, surely the medallion would have reference to Jesus/Christianity by means of some form of Christian symbolism on it. Even the name Jesus? The reference of a cross on the medallion is merely a reference to a crucification surely? Crucifixions or practices like it (nailing to doors) were of course in fashion around that time by The Church. The coats of arms of the owners, tomb and depiction of the shroud on the medallion are just that. As far as I can see, it was only in 1389, after de Charny had passed, that Bishop Pierre d'Arcis of Troyes appealed to anti-pope Clement VII at Avignon concerning the exhibiting of the Shroud at Lirey. He described the cloth as bearing the double imprint of a crucified man and that it was being claimed (by who?) as the true Shroud in which Jesus' body was wrapped. So the connection with Jesus is made years later devoid of any confirmation from the original owners. You yourself state on your blog: “De Charny is considered by some to be the nephew of Geoffroi de Charney, one of the Knights Templar burned at the stake in Paris on the same day in 1314 as Jacques de Molay, last Grand Master. Any objective evaluation of the Shroud of Turin has to consider the possibility that the figure represented was a Knight Templar, undergoing torture and/or death by burning.” You’ll forgive my enquiry and perhaps it’s de Molay who I want as my Elvis! ;-)
The reason for Leiv Erikson to name Amerika vinland was not that he discovered winegrapes.
"Vin" in ancient norwegian means "open spaces"
Like the city of Bergen. In the viking Age the name was "bjørgvin" its many other examples to.
This great cycle brings great to down the greatest morel tamil people become something else searching for answer went down and now we searching for someone question witch is already questioned by us . this may be meant to happen as said in kalyugam the top secrete research,space research,and other research happening and happend that knowledge came from secret Sanskrit ancient secret language live and developed in KUMARI kandam whatever world know about secret its not even one 1% of what it is they just know the story they have and people remember the many scientist conformed that the english,othe european language,aferican language,greek and latin mostly contain way of Sanskrit ....we already have greatest way to live we great life in this planet we left that and now we confused and trying to get fit in..
On the Atlantic coast, the Spanish had seen the Chesapeake Bay in the early 1500s which they named Bahia de Santa Maria. North of St. Augustine, they tried settlements in the Carolinas. In 1561 the Spanish captured a Virginia Indian, took to him Spain and baptised him as Don Luis de Velasco. In 1570 the Spanish attempted a colony in Virginia, called Ajacán in "North Florida." All the colonists were killed but one, who was rescued the following year.
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As if/when they find Atlantis in South Spain. Or when they uncover that 1000 ft sleeping Buddha in Afghanistan.
Just saying.
The ship carrying the beeswax put aground just south of Manzanita, Oregon and is well known in the area. Several books have been written about it. It was heading for the Philippines when a storm put it aground. It is rumored to have had some treasure and there have been plenty of searches for it. The blocks of beeswax have been found up until about 1930. It is likely that the ship was the one depicted in the movie "Goonies".
sorry but the reliability of C14 like that last guy said is only good to 50k years ago.
so this whole idea of it being a triceratops from 32k Years ago is vanquished. done.
the idea that somehow BIG science has and is trying to pull anything over anyones eyes is pure CT drivel and anyone who thinks logically should depart from these types of craziness
There you are..!!Couldn't agree more
Ofcourse you don't hide it and of course most people won't understand.It is a book written for Freemasons and mysts.It describes your paradise would be my guess but who knows
This isn’t super surprising to me….I think modern humans were most definitely out of Africa 100,000 years ago. There was recently a tooth from a Homo sapien discovered at a cave in China that dated over 100,000 years. I tend to think that would also make more sense at the amount of time given for the first people to arrive in Australia. Very very cool stuff!
We must just wait. And what about Jean-Pierre Houdin’s theory? https://vimeo.com/26769564 Maybe in Khufu pyramid we have another great mystery to explain. And behind that stone: http://oi68.tinypic.com/fu2a3b.jpg we have hidden tunnel.
Two years ago or so, I would have agreed with you Stuart that the image on the TS was NOT that of the crucified Jesus, but an artist's portrayal of the barbecued Jacques de Molay.
But it was necessary to account for the crucifixion paraphernalia (yes, clearly visible have to say, as do others) on the Lirey medallion, despite its small size (6cm x 4cm). I got round that by supposing that the body image was imprinted first, using a hot metal template - the so-called "scorch hypothesis" - target I might add for much ill-informed and frankly hostile, mainly pseudoscientific criticism- and displayed secretivelly in Templar initiation rites etc as described in somewhat vague terms by Barbara Frale.
Later, maybe a few decades, the potential of the image was realized as a lucrative draw for pilgrims to de Charny's 'private' chapel at his Lirey country seat, read cash cow for a chivalrous knight with a predilection for getting captured and ransomed by the English foe (twice!). Yes, It may have been displayed initially by de Charny himself, maybe without deception as a 'liturgical prop' in conjunction with something else - like a wooden statue of the crucified Jesus, as suggested recently on the lapsed shroudstory site by BSTS Editor Hugh Farey OR maybe by his widow, immediately following her hubby's death at the Battle of Poitiers in 1356.
The re-invention required addition of blood including those 372 scourge marks in all the right places - while noting the Adler/Heller claim that blood was imprinted BEFORE body image - but there's a possible flaw in their interpretation of the experimental observations under the microscope that can wait for now.
In other words, I was suggesting that a Mark 1 Templar exhibit was re-invented and Christianized so to speak, it being handy that Jacques de Molay and Jesus were both reputed to have facial hair (we'll gloss over the age difference, and/or whether the faint negative image allows one to estimate age at time of death).
So what suddenly caused me to drop the Templar connection altogether, and with it the idea that the image was a simple contact scorch from a hot metal template? Answer: the Machy mould for a Lirey medallion that followed ( or possibly preceded) the one that is in the Cluny Museum in Paris.
Are you au fait with Ian Wilson's two monograph (pdf) articles in BSTS newsletters on the Machy mould? I expect you are, being well-informed, but I'd be happy to provide a short summary and overview on my previous postings on the subjec if you wish.
The key feature, replacing the crucifixion paraphernalia on the Cluny badge is the addition of what Wilson describes as a "disembodied face" above the word SUAIRE ("shroud"). Curiously he fails to link the two, despite being next to each other, but I think I know why they were added.
Think another contact imprint, arguably more legend than history, a supposed "holy relic", immediate smaller-scale antecedent of the TS, one that was drawing huge numbers of cure-seeking, indulgence-paying pilgrims to Rome in the 1350s, the subject of a posting on this very site in December last year, one to which I'm presently composing a belated response!
Best stop here. Now back to that other 'holy relic'.
This page doesn't say how Ramses ll died.
This page doesn't say how Ramses ll died.
This page doesn't say how Ramses ll died.
Hi Mike,
Myth is related to the greek word root MN (Mystic, Mystery, etc). So Myth initially meant ‘word’, ‘advice’, ‘command’ but also ‘opinion’ , ‘suggestion’. Initially ‘Myth’ was anything that was said through speech and wasn’t writen. But later on ‘Logos’ or ‘Speech’ replaced the word ‘Myth’.
After that , Herodotus and others, used myth as a religious story that existed before History – just because it wasn't writen probably.
Here is a site in Greek that gives a very good history of the word:
http://www.diadrastika.com/2013/06/blog-post_721-6.html
John
You lost your credibility when you started talking about 'millions of years ago'.
I'm all for the theory that advanced civilisations were around more than 10 thousand years ago, but millions? Nope.
Even IF they existed that long ago, we wouldn't be able to find remnants on the surface or just below.
So yeah, Uxmal, Giza, Pumu Punku and all those megalithic sites date (in my opinion) from more than 10 thousand years ago, but millions is just to far fetched.
This! So true.
"...a prince of the Himyarite dynasty named Amir Shebib el Tubba’i el Himyari, who ruled Transjordan before the advent of Islam."
My recollection is that the Byzantine Empire ruled this area prior to the Muslim invasion. Did this Himyari dude work for them?
The word ‘ Myth’ originates from the Greek word mythos, meaning ‘word’ or ‘tale’ or ‘true narrative’, referring not only to the means by which it was transmitted but also to its being rooted in truth. Mythos was also closely related to the word myo, meaning ‘to teach’, or ‘to initiate into the mysteries’.
John,
Can you provide more info on mythos=myo=teach. Myo, from what I can find is muscle. Can you pls tell me your source. I need if for a myth presentation of my own. Thanks, Mike
With all due respect, I can’t see the justification in your Elvis allegory to answer my question. Here’s why: In c 1355 when those first public expositions were held, and described only in the "D'Arcis Memorandum", written more than thirty years later, it would appear to me that neither de Charny nor his wife Jeanne de Vergy ever made mention that the shroud had anything to do with Jesus Christ. And if so, surely the medallion would have reference to Jesus/Christianity by means of some form of Christian symbolism on it. Even the name Jesus? The reference of a cross on the medallion is merely a reference to a crucification surely? Crucifixions or practices like it (nailing to doors) were of course in fashion around that time by The Church. The coats of arms of the owners, tomb and depiction of the shroud on the medallion are just that. As far as I can see, it was only in 1389, after de Charny had passed, that Bishop Pierre d'Arcis of Troyes appealed to anti-pope Clement VII at Avignon concerning the exhibiting of the Shroud at Lirey. He described the cloth as bearing the double imprint of a crucified man and that it was being claimed (by who?) as the true Shroud in which Jesus' body was wrapped. So the connection with Jesus is made years later devoid of any confirmation from the original owners. You yourself state on your blog: “De Charny is considered by some to be the nephew of Geoffroi de Charney, one of the Knights Templar burned at the stake in Paris on the same day in 1314 as Jacques de Molay, last Grand Master. Any objective evaluation of the Shroud of Turin has to consider the possibility that the figure represented was a Knight Templar, undergoing torture and/or death by burning.” You’ll forgive my enquiry and perhaps it’s de Molay who I want as my Elvis! ;-)
The reason for Leiv Erikson to name Amerika vinland was not that he discovered winegrapes.
"Vin" in ancient norwegian means "open spaces"
Like the city of Bergen. In the viking Age the name was "bjørgvin" its many other examples to.
This great cycle brings great to down the greatest morel tamil people become something else searching for answer went down and now we searching for someone question witch is already questioned by us . this may be meant to happen as said in kalyugam the top secrete research,space research,and other research happening and happend that knowledge came from secret Sanskrit ancient secret language live and developed in KUMARI kandam whatever world know about secret its not even one 1% of what it is they just know the story they have and people remember the many scientist conformed that the english,othe european language,aferican language,greek and latin mostly contain way of Sanskrit ....we already have greatest way to live we great life in this planet we left that and now we confused and trying to get fit in..
On the Atlantic coast, the Spanish had seen the Chesapeake Bay in the early 1500s which they named Bahia de Santa Maria. North of St. Augustine, they tried settlements in the Carolinas. In 1561 the Spanish captured a Virginia Indian, took to him Spain and baptised him as Don Luis de Velasco. In 1570 the Spanish attempted a colony in Virginia, called Ajacán in "North Florida." All the colonists were killed but one, who was rescued the following year.
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