No, he's actually right - not only that the Aztecs could not meet the Vikings (because of the time periods), these paintings aren't Aztec either. Chichen Itzá is a MAYAN city, not Aztec! And not only that - the temple was built about 1200 AD, so pretty long after the end of the Viking age. OK, they existed later too, but the times of those great expetidion were long gone - but let's put that aside, because:
The largest argument against that the painting represents Vikings captured by Mayans is the style of the depiction itself - the Vikings, European in origin (as you all know), would have been an absolutely fascinating sight for the Mayans and the depictions would feature that - beards, blond hair (at least by some of them), strange clothes, weapons and maybe even some heavy stylized horses would have been there, but no - there are just captured people with (peculiarly) un-European hairstyles, faces and ear shapes. Just remember how the Japanese depicted the first Portuguese and other Europeans they saw - almost ape like. Wouldn't the Mayans do something similar? The ships have no masts and sails either. You could argue that this is a depiction of an older conflict that none of the artists remembered personally - so wouldn't the depicted "enemies" be even more stylized? A drakkar or knarr would become a dragon or giant snake on the water, a Viking with metal sword and mail armour a monster. And here we see just some captured naked people - most likely just other native tribes or people from a village of another Mayan city state.
The only reason someone identifies those men as Vikings is their colour. That's nonsense! By that logic, the Mayan warriors should be brownish, not black! And Vikings weren’t red striped either! There are even Mayas depicted as white. What you see here, is just a method of either distinction of the warring parties (we are black, they are striped and those behind the corner would be blue or so), of different clothes or battle paints.
You are discussing age and empires - which is a dishonest or ignorant answer. You are trying to make the case that these peoples ONLY existed during their age and empire.
Simply not true.
The timeframe you gave for the Aztecs Empire is for just that....their empire, not their existence. That time period is for when they dominated. The Aztecs are Nahua peoples who migrated south into the region in the 6th century. So the Aztecs have technically been there since the 6th century. At least 100 years before the Viking AGE.
The Viking Age is a time period when Vikings were most active, not the time period when they existed.
Maybe, try not to be so eager to be snarky an arrogant next time.
As long as there are Green Lanterns in the universe I don't worry about giant purple space octopuses. Nor should you. I will sleep well tonight. Thank you.
The fact that what we call the Aztec empire only existed between the dates you stated is at best nit picking and in my opinion actually completely irrelevant. The people and groups that formed that empire and their culture existed long before those dates.
Unless you are suggesting that in 1427 these people, their culture and their history didn't exist and then in 1428 they magically appeared out of thin air with an empire.
I have covered this subject in a related set of comments regarding the second Ark, the Ark of teh Covenant. In point of fact the 'vessel' described in the Genes is account is the same length as the geological anomaly, a boat shaped section of rock [of diverse types] that was thought to be a ship which is located at the exact location described in the Chaldean version of the flood tale that was inserted into later versions of the Gilgamesh Epic.
For an accurate, logical and fully supported analysis of the flood tale please see the book:- Deluge:From Genesis to Atlantis at http://independent.academia.edu/HarrySivertsen/ This is free to read online or download and is well illustrated and fully referenced.
The first thing that comes to my mind is that he was using theatrical skills. Makeup, lumpy props to change his body shape, costumes, etc. would qualify as shape shifting. Take a hard look at John Travolta and his work and it seems easy to draw comparisons. If you're a wanted man it makes sense to have a series of disguises.
“uncivilized white blue eyed savages” – ah let me guess - you do NOT have white skin & blue eyes – thought so – funny how that works ! Your reverse Germanic prejudice is hilarious to read ! Good grief what is your problem – you read all history with this view in mind to prove Hitler wrong ??? Poor person – that kind of deep loathing must make you very, very insecure. Well at least it makes a change from the opposite view of pushing the blonde, blue-eyed ‘thingy’ that so many Europeans seem unable to put down ! We humans are a motly crew of all colors & eye-colors, mainly we ALL understand what we really admire in humanity & it has nothing to do with the color of your hair or eyes – it is called CHARACTER - of which there are samples in every peoples on this planet – and I seriously suspect you are lacking a little in that streak of human ‘intelligence’ !!!!
It is a good idea to differentiate between the skulls that were obviously extended deliberately – which have all the normal fissures, and those which are obviously NOT those of a normal human – ie have NO central fissure – there are some shown on most of the articles on this subject. SO – unless they are fake, ie deliberately constructed, or all had the known disease that can cause this condition, these are skulls from an UNKNOWN type of human – make sure we note which ones are looked at – only those with the missing fissure should be investigated & discussed to keep things understandable. There is one of those skulls’ pictures that looks as tho the image is ‘doctored’ – ie it appears to have a blurry mark around the top of the skull as tho someone created the picture or the skull. So we need to make sure there is not just a big ‘story’ being concocted to keep us amused. Please do not make things up, there are quite enough myseteries without fake nonsense intruding into the picture !!!
"It also makes people who spend time near it sick, and is believed to be radioactive." How does the guard not get radioactive contamination as well since he is around it for life???
It is my opinion that modern humans have great difficulties with the interpretation bit because we don´t observe the celestial motion as much as our ancestors did.
It is fairly easy to carve lines in the bedrock and knock and grind round holes, all though it will take some time.
Some natural and logical interpretations could be: Concentric Rings = The Celestial Pole area and orbiting stars. Grouped Cup Marks = Specific Star Constellations. Cupmark Holes in lines = The Milky Way Band or a part of it. Spirals = Galactic Swirls
The many figures also could represent star constellations and even the contours of the Milky Way and the entire imagery is most likely a part of the local Story of Creation.
So, in this way the symbols really have a connection to “outer space”.
As a Comparative Mythologist and Natural Philosopher, I´ve been working with Mytho-Cosmology for some 35 years and you can study my work on my personal website here – http://www.native-science.net/index.html
I´m looking forward to your response on the thoughts and contents.
The Egyptians have defined the cosmological aspect of life in great detail. Where most cultures talk about the heavenly or Celestial realm as an influential energy system and how the World is also considered a living organism both usually represented as human forms getting larger in scale, the Egyptians broke this relationship down into anatomical divisions. The larger supernatural Celestial energy system divided into 12 parts connected to the World structure, divided into twelve parts, connected to the human body with the corresponding 12 anatomical divisions.
The Earth travels around the sun and is in twelve different zones one for each month of the year. If these zones each had a different colour the influence of this energy system would be easier to realise. As the Earth is tilted each region of the World is subject to the different colours of the Celestial regions and so each has a maximum exposure and connection to the different colours. The Egyptians studied the World regions to learn more about the energy systems of our Celestial surroundings.
This is how they recorded it for us. The Earth moves through a Celestial body known as Nut. Each part of the Celestial body influences different regions of the World structure. The zodiac signs were used to indicate the anatomical parts and these were taken from the 12 zones around the World. The top of the head has the horns and so the animal with horns was used to represent this point, likewise the tail or base was represented by the tail fin.
Nut the full body of the Celestial form connects to the twelve regions of the Earth. The lungs of Leo the Sphinx records this point of the anatomy of the World and by the Egyptians. The zone next to Egypt is known as the land of Virgo as confirmed by Mr Christ and the Virgin Mary. Each World zone has great monuments from the heads of Easter Island to Stonehenge the sign of Cancer.
Nut the Celestial map is the energy system that influence live on Earth. Earth can be seen as a body from the head of America, Canada, Alaska to tail of Antarctica. Historical monuments are linked by this recognition and so is all of life and our evolutionary process. The animal feature from the top of the head have the biggest, most prominent antlers, the moose...from the thigh of the World comes the springy kangaroo, from the tail our bird sits on it's base, the penguin.
Can you explain Lake Seville having a salinity of 86,400 ppm is inconsistent with Lake Boneville having been formed by a global flood? By the way, in my article, when I say that the salt profiles of the Great Salt Lake and seawater are very similar, I'm not saying that the TOTAL salinity is similar, but rather the relative percentages of their respective dissolved salts.
BCE means "Before Common Era", the common era starting in the year 1. We are in year 2016 of the common era. 5316 plus 2016 makes 7332, therefore the site is over 7000 years old as the article claims.
I was oml 12 years old when Dr. Dipesso began work in the Paquime region in Northern Mexico, next to Casas Grandes. I was very much interested in arqueology and livinng in Colonia Juarez,and used to walk 30K to the excavations every sunday. I was surprised when I was told that "they bury their dead in the kitchen". Paquime was influenced by both, the Aztec and the Anasazi. After lookin at the remains I found "Cut marks, fractures, and other stone-tool scars were present on the bones, and the light color of some suggests stewing. Patterns of burning indicate that many were exposed to flame while still covered with flesh, which is what would be expected after cooking over a fire.” (Walker, 1997). My conclusion was that they ate humans too. I even took a skeleton home to further analyze the remains. I think that the Anasazi adopted cannibalism from peoplel like de Aztecs, since it was common among them. But never was it mentioned by anybody else.
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No, he's actually right - not only that the Aztecs could not meet the Vikings (because of the time periods), these paintings aren't Aztec either. Chichen Itzá is a MAYAN city, not Aztec! And not only that - the temple was built about 1200 AD, so pretty long after the end of the Viking age. OK, they existed later too, but the times of those great expetidion were long gone - but let's put that aside, because:
The largest argument against that the painting represents Vikings captured by Mayans is the style of the depiction itself - the Vikings, European in origin (as you all know), would have been an absolutely fascinating sight for the Mayans and the depictions would feature that - beards, blond hair (at least by some of them), strange clothes, weapons and maybe even some heavy stylized horses would have been there, but no - there are just captured people with (peculiarly) un-European hairstyles, faces and ear shapes. Just remember how the Japanese depicted the first Portuguese and other Europeans they saw - almost ape like. Wouldn't the Mayans do something similar? The ships have no masts and sails either. You could argue that this is a depiction of an older conflict that none of the artists remembered personally - so wouldn't the depicted "enemies" be even more stylized? A drakkar or knarr would become a dragon or giant snake on the water, a Viking with metal sword and mail armour a monster. And here we see just some captured naked people - most likely just other native tribes or people from a village of another Mayan city state.
The only reason someone identifies those men as Vikings is their colour. That's nonsense! By that logic, the Mayan warriors should be brownish, not black! And Vikings weren’t red striped either! There are even Mayas depicted as white. What you see here, is just a method of either distinction of the warring parties (we are black, they are striped and those behind the corner would be blue or so), of different clothes or battle paints.
Just use logic...
Yes...
You are discussing age and empires - which is a dishonest or ignorant answer. You are trying to make the case that these peoples ONLY existed during their age and empire.
Simply not true.
The timeframe you gave for the Aztecs Empire is for just that....their empire, not their existence. That time period is for when they dominated. The Aztecs are Nahua peoples who migrated south into the region in the 6th century. So the Aztecs have technically been there since the 6th century. At least 100 years before the Viking AGE.
The Viking Age is a time period when Vikings were most active, not the time period when they existed.
Maybe, try not to be so eager to be snarky an arrogant next time.
As long as there are Green Lanterns in the universe I don't worry about giant purple space octopuses. Nor should you. I will sleep well tonight. Thank you.
The fact that what we call the Aztec empire only existed between the dates you stated is at best nit picking and in my opinion actually completely irrelevant. The people and groups that formed that empire and their culture existed long before those dates.
Unless you are suggesting that in 1427 these people, their culture and their history didn't exist and then in 1428 they magically appeared out of thin air with an empire.
I have covered this subject in a related set of comments regarding the second Ark, the Ark of teh Covenant. In point of fact the 'vessel' described in the Genes is account is the same length as the geological anomaly, a boat shaped section of rock [of diverse types] that was thought to be a ship which is located at the exact location described in the Chaldean version of the flood tale that was inserted into later versions of the Gilgamesh Epic.
For an accurate, logical and fully supported analysis of the flood tale please see the book:- Deluge:From Genesis to Atlantis at http://independent.academia.edu/HarrySivertsen/ This is free to read online or download and is well illustrated and fully referenced.
I Like Perogies.
The first thing that comes to my mind is that he was using theatrical skills. Makeup, lumpy props to change his body shape, costumes, etc. would qualify as shape shifting. Take a hard look at John Travolta and his work and it seems easy to draw comparisons. If you're a wanted man it makes sense to have a series of disguises.
No...
Viking Age 789-1071
Aztec Empire 1428–1521
Unless Vikings travel through time, never happened.
Now this is a clash of cultures I'd like to see on screen. Both interesting and such contrast between the two.
Thank you for this opportunity to learn more about this interesting subject. I was hooked when the Sphinx lined up with the constellation of Leo.
“uncivilized white blue eyed savages” – ah let me guess - you do NOT have white skin & blue eyes – thought so – funny how that works ! Your reverse Germanic prejudice is hilarious to read ! Good grief what is your problem – you read all history with this view in mind to prove Hitler wrong ??? Poor person – that kind of deep loathing must make you very, very insecure. Well at least it makes a change from the opposite view of pushing the blonde, blue-eyed ‘thingy’ that so many Europeans seem unable to put down ! We humans are a motly crew of all colors & eye-colors, mainly we ALL understand what we really admire in humanity & it has nothing to do with the color of your hair or eyes – it is called CHARACTER - of which there are samples in every peoples on this planet – and I seriously suspect you are lacking a little in that streak of human ‘intelligence’ !!!!
It is a good idea to differentiate between the skulls that were obviously extended deliberately – which have all the normal fissures, and those which are obviously NOT those of a normal human – ie have NO central fissure – there are some shown on most of the articles on this subject. SO – unless they are fake, ie deliberately constructed, or all had the known disease that can cause this condition, these are skulls from an UNKNOWN type of human – make sure we note which ones are looked at – only those with the missing fissure should be investigated & discussed to keep things understandable. There is one of those skulls’ pictures that looks as tho the image is ‘doctored’ – ie it appears to have a blurry mark around the top of the skull as tho someone created the picture or the skull. So we need to make sure there is not just a big ‘story’ being concocted to keep us amused. Please do not make things up, there are quite enough myseteries without fake nonsense intruding into the picture !!!
"It also makes people who spend time near it sick, and is believed to be radioactive." How does the guard not get radioactive contamination as well since he is around it for life???
It is my opinion that modern humans have great difficulties with the interpretation bit because we don´t observe the celestial motion as much as our ancestors did.
It is fairly easy to carve lines in the bedrock and knock and grind round holes, all though it will take some time.
Some natural and logical interpretations could be:
Concentric Rings = The Celestial Pole area and orbiting stars.
Grouped Cup Marks = Specific Star Constellations.
Cupmark Holes in lines = The Milky Way Band or a part of it.
Spirals = Galactic Swirls
The many figures also could represent star constellations and even the contours of the Milky Way and the entire imagery is most likely a part of the local Story of Creation.
So, in this way the symbols really have a connection to “outer space”.
As a Comparative Mythologist and Natural Philosopher, I´ve been working with Mytho-Cosmology for some 35 years and you can study my work on my personal website here – http://www.native-science.net/index.html
I´m looking forward to your response on the thoughts and contents.
Regards
Ivar Nielsen
The Egyptians have defined the cosmological aspect of life in great detail. Where most cultures talk about the heavenly or Celestial realm as an influential energy system and how the World is also considered a living organism both usually represented as human forms getting larger in scale, the Egyptians broke this relationship down into anatomical divisions. The larger supernatural Celestial energy system divided into 12 parts connected to the World structure, divided into twelve parts, connected to the human body with the corresponding 12 anatomical divisions.
The Earth travels around the sun and is in twelve different zones one for each month of the year. If these zones each had a different colour the influence of this energy system would be easier to realise. As the Earth is tilted each region of the World is subject to the different colours of the Celestial regions and so each has a maximum exposure and connection to the different colours. The Egyptians studied the World regions to learn more about the energy systems of our Celestial surroundings.
This is how they recorded it for us. The Earth moves through a Celestial body known as Nut. Each part of the Celestial body influences different regions of the World structure. The zodiac signs were used to indicate the anatomical parts and these were taken from the 12 zones around the World. The top of the head has the horns and so the animal with horns was used to represent this point, likewise the tail or base was represented by the tail fin.
Nut the full body of the Celestial form connects to the twelve regions of the Earth. The lungs of Leo the Sphinx records this point of the anatomy of the World and by the Egyptians. The zone next to Egypt is known as the land of Virgo as confirmed by Mr Christ and the Virgin Mary. Each World zone has great monuments from the heads of Easter Island to Stonehenge the sign of Cancer.
Nut the Celestial map is the energy system that influence live on Earth. Earth can be seen as a body from the head of America, Canada, Alaska to tail of Antarctica. Historical monuments are linked by this recognition and so is all of life and our evolutionary process. The animal feature from the top of the head have the biggest, most prominent antlers, the moose...from the thigh of the World comes the springy kangaroo, from the tail our bird sits on it's base, the penguin.
To see the full body of the World connected to the full body of Nut in detail please read http://thenewperspective21.wix.com/anewworld
Alas, the article addressing the Pied Piper story does not present any evidence that the fairy tale is based in or arising from a real event.
Thanks for the comment.
Can you explain Lake Seville having a salinity of 86,400 ppm is inconsistent with Lake Boneville having been formed by a global flood? By the way, in my article, when I say that the salt profiles of the Great Salt Lake and seawater are very similar, I'm not saying that the TOTAL salinity is similar, but rather the relative percentages of their respective dissolved salts.
BCE means "Before Common Era", the common era starting in the year 1. We are in year 2016 of the common era. 5316 plus 2016 makes 7332, therefore the site is over 7000 years old as the article claims.
I was oml 12 years old when Dr. Dipesso began work in the Paquime region in Northern Mexico, next to Casas Grandes. I was very much interested in arqueology and livinng in Colonia Juarez,and used to walk 30K to the excavations every sunday. I was surprised when I was told that "they bury their dead in the kitchen". Paquime was influenced by both, the Aztec and the Anasazi. After lookin at the remains I found "Cut marks, fractures, and other stone-tool scars were present on the bones, and the light color of some suggests stewing. Patterns of burning indicate that many were exposed to flame while still covered with flesh, which is what would be expected after cooking over a fire.” (Walker, 1997). My conclusion was that they ate humans too. I even took a skeleton home to further analyze the remains. I think that the Anasazi adopted cannibalism from peoplel like de Aztecs, since it was common among them. But never was it mentioned by anybody else.
Just reading out of curiosity.
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