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  • Reply to: Pre-Columbian Murals and Norse Sagas Suggest Vikings Met the Aztecs, and the Outcome Was Not Pretty   7 years 5 months ago
    Comment Author: Willy

    LOL! Tsk, tsk...more Ad Hominems?

    Seems your Famous or at least infamous on this subject.

    http://ancientaliensdebunked.com/mystery-solved-olmecs-and-transoceanic-...

    Further supporting the isolation of the Olmecs from other people groups was a comparative study in “Tissue Antigens” 2000: 56:” of Mazatecans (Descendents of the Olmecs/Mayans), other Indians and other world populations. Titled “HLA genes in Mexican Mazatecans, the peopling of the Americas and the uniqueness of Amerindians,” and written by several authors including A. Arnaiz-Villena , the study conluded:
    “Significant genetic input from outside is not noticed in Meso and South American Amerindians according to the phylogenetic analyses; while all world populations (including Africans, Europeans, Asians, Australians, Polynesians, North American Na-Dene Indians and Eskimos) are genetically related. Meso and South American Amerindians tend to remain isolated in the Neighbor-Joining.”
    Further,
    “Amerindians do not show relationships with Polynesians, Australians (almost discounting a massive Pacific colonization…), Caucasoids or African blacks.” (Arnaiz-Villena; pg 413)
    Within the article the genetic make up and similarity of a number of populations and a comparison of genetic “closeness” is conducted. In short, the Mazatecans (Olmecs) stand pretty much apart from all of the other surveyed ethnicities. Other conclusions are that the Olmecs are the likely progenitors of the Mayans, the peopling of the Americas was a lot more complicated than a simple emigration from Asia, and genetic evidence may suggest that people moved from South America, to North America, and into Asia. To make a long story short, the Olmecs did not originate in Africa, nor intermix with Africans at any point making it seem unlikely that the Africans visited the Olmecs.

    Well, I guess that puts paid to your claim we have no Olmec DNA.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11144288

    From the above article:

    "Abstract
    The HLA allele frequency distribution of the Mexican Mazatecan Indians (Olmec culture) has been studied and compared with those of other First American Natives and worldwide populations (a total of 12,100 chromosomes; 6,050 individuals from 59 different populations). The main conclusions are: 1) An indirect evidence of Olmec and Mayan relatedness is suggested, further supporting the notion that Olmecs may have been the precursors of Mayans; 2) Language and genetics do not completely correlate in microenvironmental studies; and 3) Peopling of the Americas was probably more complex than postulated by Greenberg and others (three peopling waves). Significant genetic input from outside is not noticed in Meso and South American Amerindians according to the phylogenetic analyses; while all world populations (including Africans, Europeans, Asians, Australians, Polynesians, North American Na-Dene Indians and Eskimos) are genetically related. Meso and South American Amerindians tend to remain isolated in the Neighbor-Joining, correspondence and plane genetic distance analyses"

    Again, genetics i.e. genotype trump "looks like" i.e. phenotype every time. Your claim flies into the face of the FACTS. Your theory doesn't have a leg to stand on.

  • Reply to: Stay Out of the Water: Does a Prehistoric Shark Still Live in the Ocean?   7 years 5 months ago
    Comment Author: Tsurugi

    Maybe what is needed is for the idiots running the world to be given a lot less power and control over everything. It seems to me that they've done a piss-poor job of it and yet everywhere you look there are people who seem to think government is the solution to everything. Even in this article it is there! Someone asked the marine biologist about ancient giant sharks, and she can't answer the question without tying it in to "government policy" and controlling ocean environments.

    Other than that, I enjoyed this article. I imagine Megalodon was probably involved in some of the most epic one-on-one battles-to-the-death ever fought in the history of this planet. Conjures some crazy imagery....80 ft shark vs 100 ft squid. Would make a fortune on PPV.

    As for the possibility ol' M could still be around, lurking in the depths...well, we know that sometimes, when large predators appear near the coast, fish will purposefully swim onto the beach trying to get away. And you have to wonder, what is big enough to make whales beach themselves....

  • Reply to: Set of 70 Metal Tablets May Have the Earliest Written Account and Depiction of Jesus   7 years 5 months ago
    Comment Author: Tsurugi

    I'm saying it warrants consideration, precisely because here we are, book in hand, exactly as JS described the book he claimed to have found, long before anyone had any inkling books like this existed. You don't find that curious?

    I love being accused of confirmation bias. "The mere fact that you are suggesting this means you want it to be true which means you're biased!"
    Yes. And the fact that you responded negatively means you want it not to be true, which means you're also biased. This is normal. What's new is that more and more often it has to be explained as such.

    I should add, for clarification's sake, that I am no LDS. I'm not a great fan of organized religion. Thus the nature of my interest/bias is purely archaeological, in the possibility there exists what purports to be an authentic ancient text containing details about the history of civilizations in the Americas.

  • Reply to: The Disturbing True Story of the Pied Piper of Hamelin   7 years 5 months ago
    Comment Author: Tsurugi

    Huh. We must not be reading same article then.

    Either that or your definition of "evidence" is radically different from mine, perhaps closer to what I would normally refer to as "proof" or "conclusive evidence".

  • Reply to: Exposing the Secret History of Giants and the Underground Hyperborean Gallery in Romania   7 years 5 months ago
    Comment Author: Tsurugi

    I agree with your criticisms re: Darwinism, age of the Universe, etc., in the sense that we really don't know how old the Universe is, and the best estimates are based on a lot of assumptions that may not be true.

    What I was attempting to illustrate was that it is their own preferred model of the Universe which implies that they can't possibly know what is or is not "likely".

  • Reply to: Greed and Decline: The Treasure of the Knights Templar and Their Downfall   7 years 5 months ago
    Comment Author: Claire Nahmad

    An interesting comment, John. I will read your book. The man you speak of must be Sir Francis Bacon? I've researched the subjects you outline for many years and what seems to be sound evidence confirms that Lord Enki first conceived of the New World Order, as set out on the cuneiform Mesopotamian clay tablets. Groups serving him have advanced down the ages with his honourable purpose as their goal, but a mirror group came into existence at their outset, determined always to wrong-foot the good groups. They infiltrated and in some cases corrupted them. Their dark aim was to uphold the sinister power of the evil cabal that sits behind the scenes at the potent centre of global control. It is very ancient indeed and it is this dark cabal that holds sway today. However, the good groups are very much still in existence and are about to play a major trump card! This will be revealed in the coming weeks and months and will astonish everybody. It will succeed in throwing the dark cabal into utter confusion, and from then on the good groups will emerge once more to help humanity to claim its true status and heritage. Now this is a prophecy, so we will have to see if it holds water.

  • Reply to: The Lost Tribe of Clover Hollow – Oldest Civilization in the World Found in Appalachian Mountains?   7 years 5 months ago
    Comment Author: Ken Akers

    Does anyone really believe Darwin was that smart? The fish, ape, birds are all related so is dirt. DNA shows it. God said so. Magic soup and such? Ha Ha!

  • Reply to: Ancient Travelers or Local Artists? Who Made the Enigmatic Hemet Maze Stone?   7 years 5 months ago
    Comment Author: J.R. Bentley

    There has been study done on these. Apparently there are several found in the area around San Diego and east to the Salton Sea. It has been determined that they are the work of the indigenous tribes there.

    Something very interesting though… It is believed that all of the “Maze” style Glyphs like this might have all been pecked or painted during a fairly short time span. This has lead to a theory that they may actually have all been created by one individual artist.

    So the chance one seafaring visitor could have done all these cannot be thrown out the window!

  • Reply to: The Great Salt Lake Enigma: Science Shows Anomalies – Evidence of a Global Flood?   7 years 5 months ago
    Comment Author: J.R. Bentley

    The answer to this is both sources are actually the origin of the salts in Salt Lake. Salt Lake was once the North Eastern shore of the Gulf of California. The whole Great Basin was a huge extension of the Gulf of Ca and under Sea. One peek at this area on Google earth shows this as very obvious. Do a search on the Great Basin.

    The Great Basin was shaped like a bowl underwater so when the water level stared to drop there became a huge landlocked sea of salt water. As the level dropped even more they became concentrated futher and futher into the lower areas like the Salt Lake and in scores of other smaller bowls that dried up to become dry salt lakes and flats where it concentrated the most.

    And of course Salts were also deposited in lesser concentrations into all the hills and mountains throughout the whole great basin. Initially it was seawater as a source and then later it started to be rinsed out of the hills into the bottoms of these bowls which are still adding to the concentration even more today.

    So both theories are actually correct, but the original source for both was indeed seawater when it was the northern most reaches of the Gulf of California.

  • Reply to: Set of 70 Metal Tablets May Have the Earliest Written Account and Depiction of Jesus   7 years 5 months ago
    Comment Author: A Grateful Guest

    The only issue I have with this is the fact Joseph Smith was a member of the Freemasons in Palmyra New York who was thrown out of the Lodge for being an undesirable. The tablets he dug up belonged to the Freemasons as part of the cache of The Knights Templar after the treachery of King Philippe of France and his lackey pope, Innocent III, in 1307 CE forced them to flee with whatever treasures they could take with them. They were handed to the Freemasons who then deposited them in the New World long before Columbus arrived as lost as he could be. In effect, Joseph Smith stole the tablets that should have been returned long ago. Eventually, it cost him his life, but not before a false religion was born. The only thing left for the Mormons to do is reveal the tablets at the right time, coming soon enough.

  • Reply to: Set of 70 Metal Tablets May Have the Earliest Written Account and Depiction of Jesus   7 years 5 months ago
    Comment Author: Rob MN

    Here we have the book in hand, an object that can be determined to be one thing or the other... What you speak of is purely speculative based on hearsay from a dubious religious text. Those golden tablets that "JS" supposedly found haven't turned up as far as I've heard. You seem to have a confirmation bias, a desire to prove what you already think to be true.

  • Reply to: Set of 70 Metal Tablets May Have the Earliest Written Account and Depiction of Jesus   7 years 5 months ago
    Comment Author: Rob MN

    Here we have the book in hand, an object that can be determined to be one thing or the other... What you speak of is purely speculative based on hearsay from a dubious religious text. Those golden tablets that "JS" supposedly found haven't turned up as far as I've heard. You seem to have a confirmation bias, a desire to prove what you already think to be true.

  • Reply to: The Controversial Dashka Stone: 120 Million-Year-Old Map?   7 years 5 months ago
    Comment Author: Tsurugi

    This object should be considered in context with the many other anomalous objects found in the Urals.
    As for the age given of 120 million years, until Uniformitarians get around to factoring catastrophic events into their stratigraphy dating models, the numbers they use should be considered more as common placemarks than as actual spans of time.

  • Reply to: The Truth Behind the Christ Myth: Ancient Origins of the Often Used Legend – Part I   7 years 5 months ago
    Comment Author: Proffesor M.D. ...

    Actually Jesus of Nazareth was born on September 11th in a town called Bethlehem . A far as Him being The Actual Son of God incarnate . ....I Honestly Believe He Came here to earth ,walked among mortal man ,was Crucified and indeed resurected from the dead after taking away satans crown of authority and breaking the power of Sin upon mankind forevermore !!! Archeaological evidence is to Great to ignore or contest!! As far as mans worship of Astoreth , Isis ,urma, Venus ,jupiter, and Diana or any female deity of old,its evident that mans desires proved that worship of the Goddess's were more in order than worship of Jehovah the Creator or Giving of adoration to The True And Living God !! Man has always been rebellious in his choice of gods!!! The natural Sin nature testifies to that!! Man shoul seek the Obvious choice to spiritual freedom !! As i recall from history,there is No grave or seplecure, or tombstone for this teacher named " Jesus of Nazareth " !!!

  • Reply to: Pre-Columbian Murals and Norse Sagas Suggest Vikings Met the Aztecs, and the Outcome Was Not Pretty   7 years 5 months ago
    Comment Author: Doug Currie

    I agree with Joe Trinakrian that although the Aztecs were later than the Vikings there were people related to the Aztecs in Mexico back to 500 or 600 AD. These were the Nahua or Nahuatl people and one branch of them that the Aztecs said they descended from were the Toltec people. The Toltecs mostly lived in what is now Hidalgo state in Mexico close to Mexico City. However, according to the book The Maya by Michael D. Coe on the chronological table on page 10 he says that Toltecs arrived in the Yucatan around 925 AD and came to a position of power there until about 1200 AD. This could have overlapped some of the Viking sailing time and some of the late Mayan civilization. This could have enabled black Toltec/later Aztec people to imprison or kill white (Viking) people and then the brown (Mayan) people to assist in welcoming white people (the Spanish) to overthrow the black (Aztec) people in the 16th century. However I am not sure who the white people who were mentioned in 600 to 900 AD were or what evidence there is for them or for black people, even Toltecs, being in the Yucatan that early so I would want some more information on that point.

  • Reply to: Greed and Decline: The Treasure of the Knights Templar and Their Downfall   7 years 5 months ago
    Comment Author: J.R. Bentley

    I found the link and translation interesting Mike.

  • Reply to: From Barter to Bitcoins: The 5,000 Year History of Money   7 years 5 months ago
    Comment Author: J.R. Bentley

    I logged in to hopefully participate in some discussion about "Portable Assets". Coining or promissory notes came about because it was more portable and less assets were lost during transit.

    First Coining was hard to smelt, forge and duplicate with fraud in mind. But imagine that you are an uneducated Sheep or Goat herder and decided to move to another location. All you owned was a herd and a piece of property.

    But all the potential buyers were also herders like yourself and had nothing to trade but like kind assets. Property cannot be moved and there are great risks in moving not only your own herd...but the additional stock you just received in barter for the property you just sold long distances.

    To move stock long distances unfortunately will result in normal losses of stock. anywhere from 25% to 100% was not uncommon depending on seasonal weather that year. To transfer these assets into coin was much more portable and was at less risk of any losses while in transit to purchase a new herd and property at the new location.

    At first only the elite rich and educated were able to take advantage of Promissory notes as portable assets because most times it required a seal that was also very hard to duplicate. But more importantly education was strictly regulated with even death as a penalty for practicing education without proper bloodline or cleric permission granted.

    So to write or honor a Note could cost you your life and assets both. Portable coins were soon accepted as the preferred safe portable public exchange in this scenario. But here is the important thing we have now forgotten. Metal coining was only as valuable as the human effort and costs involved in coining it.

    A great example of coining that went haywire and lost value because of exploitation and devaluation would be huge stone disks "Fey" or also called "Rai" from the island of yap that represented assets and credit to be borrowed against. It was valuable at first because of how dangerous the journey and effort was to personally go quarry it and bring it back to Yap.

    Then someone came along who could mass produce it and bring it back to yap in mass. This immediately devalued it and made it worthless. This is exactly what our governments are allowing banks to do on every continent. This coinage absolutely needs to once again be backed by precious metals which requires actual effort and risks to create..

    http://economistsview.typepad.com/economistsview/2005/09/yapping_about_m...

    My father bought a brand new 1966 Chevell Super Sport for $3,600. It would now be compared to a car that costs $50,000. The difference? The car was not cheap at the time but the Dollar was backed by hard tangible metals and the Dollar it's self could purchase more product per Dollar.

    Thank you for the great Topic!

     

  • Reply to: The human skull that challenges the Out of Africa theory   7 years 5 months ago
    Comment Author: Zakir

    After the flood, Noah's 3 sons split up and went in different directions; Ham who was black to the South, Sham who was white to the West and Yafes who was Asian to the East. Just sayin'.

  • Reply to: Did Egyptian Mummification Descend from a More Ancient and, Perhaps, Reversible Preservation Technique?   7 years 5 months ago
    Comment Author: Gilbert Avila

    This was explored in 1979's "SUM VII" by T.W. Hard

  • Reply to: Set of 70 Metal Tablets May Have the Earliest Written Account and Depiction of Jesus   7 years 5 months ago
    Comment Author: Tsurugi

    This is somewhat off topic, but the fact these texts are in the form of a sort of "spiral notebook" of metal plates, which were found ensconced in a metal box....well.

    Suffice to say, certain parts of the story of Joseph Smith and his alleged discovery of ancient texts from the Old World, hidden here in the new world, have always struck me as seemingly having some core of truth behind them. Now this. JS also claimed the metal pages of the text were incredibly thin but well preserved, and that they had been hidden away in a very heavy metal box.

    What is even more fascinating is that the text claimed to have been taken from these metal books has the appearance of a biblical-style account of the goings-on in the Americas during biblical times. Many large urban population centers are detailed in the accounts, almost all of which were utterly eradicated by the waters of the Deluge. Those that weren't were buried in huge silt and sediment deposits carried by floodwaters(again, this is according to the text supposedly taken from the metal pages found by Smith).
    The sections of text which purport to be taken from the metal pages Smith found are contained in the books of "Nephi" in the Book of Mormon.

    The locations of each of the antediluvial cities is described reasonably well. There are at least two that were buried but not destroyed.

    Now, seeing a metal book almost exactly as described by Smith, I have to wonder if he really did find something. We ought to try to decode the locations of buried cities so we can at least make some preliminary inspections of the areas...?

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