For centuries and due to Alexander the Great's conquests Hellenic Thought and Art became known to people further east of Persia. Thus the Hellenic influence in formulating Buddhism cannot be denied and it is not a "British colonial" trick. From very early times Europeans would travel and settle deep into Asia-the mummies of Taklamakan desert in Xinjiang ( north of Tibet) being an unquestionable proof. (on the contrary there are no recorded opposite movements that is why "Indo-Europeans" are a fiction-even the Indians mention an "Aryan" invasion west from the sea...) It is from Chinese sources that we know of their earliest contacts with the inhabitants of the Kingdom of Bactria at their eastern borders and I am sure Ms Li Xiuzhen is aware of them.The Kingdom of Greco-Bactria with its "one thousand glorious cities-Strabo" (!) that had become independent by the middle of the 3rd century originally based in today's Afghanistan, would expand to include parts of Pakistan and its important for trade coastline plus north India and was to lasted in various forms till the 2nd century AD.( Nomadic invaders finally destroyed the watering canals of the kingdom and the winds did the rest-there is nothing left standing up anymore! ) In order for Alexander to cross further east from Afghanistan he had to get married there himself and all his army and live peacefully for over a year before continuing. Nobody has ever subdued the proud inhabitants of these lands including Alexander-war stopped only because they became relatives!
Chinese expeditions were able to collect enough impressive information to convince their First Emperor
that official relations should be established with the neighbors as they were many things to learn from them. Thus the Chinese made a pact in order to send scholars to learn Greek and be able to translate their texts kept in libraries about arts and sciences, machinery,construction etc. They offered in return the monopoly of silk cloth, bamboo canes and stainless alloys (merchandise previously bought by the Bactrians at Indian bazaars.( The First Emperor's main burial chamber is protected still by a stainless booby trapped system ) The Greeks were more than happy to agree and they would reload the Chinese goods at "Pakistani" ports and ship them to Ptolemeus's Egypt ( land routes wee blocked by Seleucid Syrians). Never before this period of GrecoBactrian- Chinese relations, and never afterwards human sized statues appear in Chinese art. Needless to say, in order to make in a kiln human sized clay statues of the Imperial Guards-something you have never done before in China-you would indeed need the help of "advisers", right? The Chinese also provide us with a few intriguing details about those GrecoBactrians; about their magnificently zoned villas in their cities, temples and theaters, that they were not afraid of any enemies, owned thousands of beautiful horses- their favorite sport being galloping archery shooting on set targets ; that they were annoying bargain hunters and when finally an agreement was reached there could be no final deal...unless their wives also agreed! The Chinese had already asked about the distant origins of their neighbors and they had explained they came from "ΣΕΛΛΑΣ-SELLAS" ( today ΕΛΛΑΣ-HELLAS) the "Country of Light" (360 days sunshine at least). Since then the Chinese call Greece " Xi-La" (pronounced Si-La) with the ideograms meaning also 'Candlelight of Hope"...And following their advise their expeditions eventually reached the coastline of Syria...
Of many people that lived in "Palestine", Jews were also guests. The clan of Abraham originating from
Ur in Mesopotamia were welcomed to stay with their malnutritioned herd. Their gratitude to their hosts was formulated into their basic doctrine that they were "God's people of choise" and that the land of their hosts belonged to them-the guests! Regardless of the initial inhabitants of these lands, settlers from Crete, Achaia and Cyprus were the well established rulers. The Khazars were people of mixed Central Asian origin that adopted the Jewish religion by choise. Their partly mongolic roots have given to many right wing extremists the erroneous argument that all Jews have such roots-they do not! Hebrew people were guest city dwellers to the ancient Greeks already in classic antiquity ( Evreos in Greek comes from Gefyreos-the "Bridge Crosser" ) clearly indicating people crossing over from the island scattered sea eastwards. Dionyssus' theater at the foott of Acropolis still has the marble seat of honor-first row-for their religious leader. While all inhabitants of coastal Syria ( there was no "Palestine" then were free to practice their own religion, by the time of Alexander the Great and afterwards most all of them worshiped Greek, Egyptian and Anatolian deities communicating with each other in Greek but not the Jews there. Eventually they revolted in a macabre way when later were forced to abandon their distinct worldview and way of life and thus ended up being expelled to the four corners of the Roman empire (also Hellenized by then). The rest of the Syrians will eventually become Christians albeit mostly of heretic and not Orthodox "main stream" versions and having close contact with Arabs they
could communicate in both Greek and Arabic. When the Muslim Arabs brake their isolation and by war conquer Syria from the Eastern Roman Empire ,those double language speakers will become the precious translators for every Kaliph from Damascus to Bagdad and Kairo so that the then illiterate and uncivilized arab muslim worriors could learn about the priceless Hellenic Knowledge. Afterwards many local Syrians convert to Islam and many muslim arabs settle there. Many Jews had already returned but the ratio was clear: Muslims first (arabs and non arabs ),Christians second, Jews third. "Palestine" is indeed a rather modern word for part of the area as well as "Lebanon" reflecting colonial interests of the Turks, the English , the French, etc. Finally, before and after World War II a planned and concerted effort redirects and settles selected Jews from Europe to Palestine thus establishing the modern state of Israel that continues old Abrahamic policy : the land is ours given to us by God and whoever disagrees better get out! History has a tragic way of repeating itself and by closing I could only repeat the old advice : "Sword you used, sword will be used against you"! Nevertheless, your article about the Druze people does offer new and intriguing data about their origins and travels.The Syrian coast and its adjacent lands do witness a continuous movement of human settlers as eventually it became the largest olive and olive oil producer in the eastern Mediterranean-a precious commodity used as lamp oil , in order to make medicines and as food for Kings , Emperors and their Courts of the times...Druze people originating from mountainous areas chose again to settle up on the mountains-there is always a very basic ethnological divider-sea people and not.
For years I have peeved people off because whenever *they* point at some Mayan temple or other nonChristian artifact and go on and on and on about 'why would do their Gods aren't real' I point out that they were vesting the same resources into their gods that our Eurocentric culture did towards our god ... and if we didn't see hundreds of years building some pile of rocks and statues as a waste, why would they have considered their heaps of rocks and statues a waste. Both are equally valid expressions of faith [for lack of a better word, IMHO] and humans are the same world over, so pretty much anything can randomly be discovered anywhere - there were astrologers looking into the sky everywhere, people building everywhere [and there are only so many ways to pile crap up and have it stay in place that it is no wonder the pyramid shape is found everywhere.] and they are now discovering that trade moved items all over the place from their points of origin that I would not be surprised if some time tehy dug up a tomb in China and *did* find some Greek - either a trader, or soldier or even a woman that was hauled all the way East to get married to cement a trade agreement.
I think there is an unintended typo in the article - I have never heard of snakes being symbols of mortality, but rather symbols of Immortality, due to their shedding of their skin and seeming renewal/youthening.
(If you have ever seen a snake before and after it sheds its skin, it really does look like it went from crone to maid!)
Axel.... It is sad that your comment shows your lack of knowledge.......Christianity is not a form of begging your maker. but caring loving helping our brothers , giving thanks s and being grateful the son of God was sent into the world to rescue sinners.. Have you ever thought to study it? simple enough for a child to understand it is all in the teachings of Jesus Christ...
Mrs Ida Snow
Am I the only one who has always been annoyed by marvel comics getting the hair colors wrong on the only two Norse deities where their hair color is specified in the surviving myths? They depicted Thor (described as having red hair and a curly red beard that emitted sparks when he got angry) as a clean-shaven blonde, and golden-haired Sif as having black hair!
It doesn't bother me today as much as it did 40+ years ago when I was not yet ten, but it still annoys...
How odd that there was no mention of the toy company that invented the Ouija board under a different name as a party game, but changed the name to Ouija and added the claim that you could communicate with spirits to get it to sell better...
" A hyroglyphic library codex can be used for Comparison of the etching and any knowledge of known pre-existing meaning or representative carvings isolated,recorded ,photographed and studied for authenticity . Im sorry to say fake stones dont make good archeological treasures !! However ,once you establish a plausible find and get experts to confirm they have real probability and cause to undetake further exploits , we can only speculate! ***Recently ,scientist and spelunker cave hunters found massive underground city dwelling structures beneath the "Death valley desert" once deemed a folklore fantasy tale ,now well documented to view on youtube .
I'm sorry. There are no such things as faeries. Megaliths are built in visually arresting and viewable areas not on "electro-magnetic alignments". Ringforts, including Cashels, are not megaliths. Megaliths, as the name implies are structures made from Large stones or boulders such as standing stones. stone alignments or stone rings. To address some errors in the article itself - there are 45000 known ringforts in Ireland alone, not Northern Europe, with many more forgotten as they have been ploughed under. Most ringforts are within view of others, in clusters, presumably for mutual support. Univallate ringforst (single circle) are lowest on the hierarchy. Bivallate and multivallate ringforts are seen as royal or important. Large ringforts which are univallate are not seen as more important - importance is denoted by number of rings the exception being cashels. But, yeah, deons, devls, fairys - far more believable than farmers and cattle.
Unless they've been enhanced during a conservation process (which would be unacceptable as verification in most archaeological colleges) the carvings on the stones shown in the top couple of images appear to be remarkably fresh for a site that is claimed to have been in use at the time of the Roman Empire's demise.
The authenticity of this site, bearing in mind that there have been hoaxes perpetrated in this part of the world before, should remain questionable until independent dating of stone relics can be carried out. There's a method available, that uses zircon counting I believe...?
Palestine and Palestinians are known since ancient history. The Ashkenazi people who were brought to Palestine by the British army during their occupation of Palestine are not related to Palestine and are not the descendants of Moses or Abraham. The origins of Ashkenazi people are the Khazarian Empire. (See the book of Arthur Koestler “The Thirteenth Tribe”). Israel is the biggest hoax in history.
Regardless of left or right brain with enough work with tools.. It would be very easy for Paleolithic peoples to have carved stone.. Because they used so many natural materials it is hard to track but make no mistake they were very right brained.
I, too, can see these as dwellings.
These structures also could have been used for storage, hence the "corks". Like squirrels, I'm sure they had to store up for the harsh winters.
If the 9th century BC datation is correct, it can hardly be roman ! A more believable origin would be phoenician, who were already great navigators at that time.
They were also doing terracotta artefacts for religious purposes, including some of bearded men quite similar to that one !
Anyway, that wouldn't even prove that there has been any direct contact between precolombian people and phoenicians, the artefact could very well have been lost at sea in a shipwreck and then transported to Mexico by sea current.
I so enjoyed the article and comments on Tintagel, Arthur, and the history of early England. I am an 81 year old English major who never tires of reading these kinds of theories. Thanks
Yes fairies are Demonic Spirits impersonating anything you will believe in support of Satan's religion. Megalithic sites are built on electromagnetic alignments in the earth where Demons manifest themselves. Crop Circles, haunted houses, Pagan burial sites/sacred grounds, and UFO events happen in these places.
_.... The stone record hewed upon the selected glyphes can only tell the tales of past deities ,human exploits,hunts,tribalism ,or even teaching from gods they were influenced by dictating a realm of wisdom begotten due to influenced lores and expression of details they retained as a thematic custom derived from living out thier attempt to be all they dreamed in the seasonal path given them as Time allowed . Decipherment must intiated and researched thoroughly to gather a total pictographic / graphical scenario of time,events,customs , traditional themes,weaponry ,tools, feeding trends,migration ,habits ,and workmanship . This discovery needs much attention !!
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For centuries and due to Alexander the Great's conquests Hellenic Thought and Art became known to people further east of Persia. Thus the Hellenic influence in formulating Buddhism cannot be denied and it is not a "British colonial" trick. From very early times Europeans would travel and settle deep into Asia-the mummies of Taklamakan desert in Xinjiang ( north of Tibet) being an unquestionable proof. (on the contrary there are no recorded opposite movements that is why "Indo-Europeans" are a fiction-even the Indians mention an "Aryan" invasion west from the sea...) It is from Chinese sources that we know of their earliest contacts with the inhabitants of the Kingdom of Bactria at their eastern borders and I am sure Ms Li Xiuzhen is aware of them.The Kingdom of Greco-Bactria with its "one thousand glorious cities-Strabo" (!) that had become independent by the middle of the 3rd century originally based in today's Afghanistan, would expand to include parts of Pakistan and its important for trade coastline plus north India and was to lasted in various forms till the 2nd century AD.( Nomadic invaders finally destroyed the watering canals of the kingdom and the winds did the rest-there is nothing left standing up anymore! ) In order for Alexander to cross further east from Afghanistan he had to get married there himself and all his army and live peacefully for over a year before continuing. Nobody has ever subdued the proud inhabitants of these lands including Alexander-war stopped only because they became relatives!
Chinese expeditions were able to collect enough impressive information to convince their First Emperor
that official relations should be established with the neighbors as they were many things to learn from them. Thus the Chinese made a pact in order to send scholars to learn Greek and be able to translate their texts kept in libraries about arts and sciences, machinery,construction etc. They offered in return the monopoly of silk cloth, bamboo canes and stainless alloys (merchandise previously bought by the Bactrians at Indian bazaars.( The First Emperor's main burial chamber is protected still by a stainless booby trapped system ) The Greeks were more than happy to agree and they would reload the Chinese goods at "Pakistani" ports and ship them to Ptolemeus's Egypt ( land routes wee blocked by Seleucid Syrians). Never before this period of GrecoBactrian- Chinese relations, and never afterwards human sized statues appear in Chinese art. Needless to say, in order to make in a kiln human sized clay statues of the Imperial Guards-something you have never done before in China-you would indeed need the help of "advisers", right? The Chinese also provide us with a few intriguing details about those GrecoBactrians; about their magnificently zoned villas in their cities, temples and theaters, that they were not afraid of any enemies, owned thousands of beautiful horses- their favorite sport being galloping archery shooting on set targets ; that they were annoying bargain hunters and when finally an agreement was reached there could be no final deal...unless their wives also agreed! The Chinese had already asked about the distant origins of their neighbors and they had explained they came from "ΣΕΛΛΑΣ-SELLAS" ( today ΕΛΛΑΣ-HELLAS) the "Country of Light" (360 days sunshine at least). Since then the Chinese call Greece " Xi-La" (pronounced Si-La) with the ideograms meaning also 'Candlelight of Hope"...And following their advise their expeditions eventually reached the coastline of Syria...
Of many people that lived in "Palestine", Jews were also guests. The clan of Abraham originating from
Ur in Mesopotamia were welcomed to stay with their malnutritioned herd. Their gratitude to their hosts was formulated into their basic doctrine that they were "God's people of choise" and that the land of their hosts belonged to them-the guests! Regardless of the initial inhabitants of these lands, settlers from Crete, Achaia and Cyprus were the well established rulers. The Khazars were people of mixed Central Asian origin that adopted the Jewish religion by choise. Their partly mongolic roots have given to many right wing extremists the erroneous argument that all Jews have such roots-they do not! Hebrew people were guest city dwellers to the ancient Greeks already in classic antiquity ( Evreos in Greek comes from Gefyreos-the "Bridge Crosser" ) clearly indicating people crossing over from the island scattered sea eastwards. Dionyssus' theater at the foott of Acropolis still has the marble seat of honor-first row-for their religious leader. While all inhabitants of coastal Syria ( there was no "Palestine" then were free to practice their own religion, by the time of Alexander the Great and afterwards most all of them worshiped Greek, Egyptian and Anatolian deities communicating with each other in Greek but not the Jews there. Eventually they revolted in a macabre way when later were forced to abandon their distinct worldview and way of life and thus ended up being expelled to the four corners of the Roman empire (also Hellenized by then). The rest of the Syrians will eventually become Christians albeit mostly of heretic and not Orthodox "main stream" versions and having close contact with Arabs they
could communicate in both Greek and Arabic. When the Muslim Arabs brake their isolation and by war conquer Syria from the Eastern Roman Empire ,those double language speakers will become the precious translators for every Kaliph from Damascus to Bagdad and Kairo so that the then illiterate and uncivilized arab muslim worriors could learn about the priceless Hellenic Knowledge. Afterwards many local Syrians convert to Islam and many muslim arabs settle there. Many Jews had already returned but the ratio was clear: Muslims first (arabs and non arabs ),Christians second, Jews third. "Palestine" is indeed a rather modern word for part of the area as well as "Lebanon" reflecting colonial interests of the Turks, the English , the French, etc. Finally, before and after World War II a planned and concerted effort redirects and settles selected Jews from Europe to Palestine thus establishing the modern state of Israel that continues old Abrahamic policy : the land is ours given to us by God and whoever disagrees better get out! History has a tragic way of repeating itself and by closing I could only repeat the old advice : "Sword you used, sword will be used against you"! Nevertheless, your article about the Druze people does offer new and intriguing data about their origins and travels.The Syrian coast and its adjacent lands do witness a continuous movement of human settlers as eventually it became the largest olive and olive oil producer in the eastern Mediterranean-a precious commodity used as lamp oil , in order to make medicines and as food for Kings , Emperors and their Courts of the times...Druze people originating from mountainous areas chose again to settle up on the mountains-there is always a very basic ethnological divider-sea people and not.
For years I have peeved people off because whenever *they* point at some Mayan temple or other nonChristian artifact and go on and on and on about 'why would do their Gods aren't real' I point out that they were vesting the same resources into their gods that our Eurocentric culture did towards our god ... and if we didn't see hundreds of years building some pile of rocks and statues as a waste, why would they have considered their heaps of rocks and statues a waste. Both are equally valid expressions of faith [for lack of a better word, IMHO] and humans are the same world over, so pretty much anything can randomly be discovered anywhere - there were astrologers looking into the sky everywhere, people building everywhere [and there are only so many ways to pile crap up and have it stay in place that it is no wonder the pyramid shape is found everywhere.] and they are now discovering that trade moved items all over the place from their points of origin that I would not be surprised if some time tehy dug up a tomb in China and *did* find some Greek - either a trader, or soldier or even a woman that was hauled all the way East to get married to cement a trade agreement.
I think there is an unintended typo in the article - I have never heard of snakes being symbols of mortality, but rather symbols of Immortality, due to their shedding of their skin and seeming renewal/youthening.
(If you have ever seen a snake before and after it sheds its skin, it really does look like it went from crone to maid!)
Why the babilonian image of the world is far from ours?
I feel the same way, i hate to see the characters changed up so much. I cant believe that Sifhas Black hair..
Axel.... It is sad that your comment shows your lack of knowledge.......Christianity is not a form of begging your maker. but caring loving helping our brothers , giving thanks s and being grateful the son of God was sent into the world to rescue sinners.. Have you ever thought to study it? simple enough for a child to understand it is all in the teachings of Jesus Christ...
Mrs Ida Snow
Am I the only one who has always been annoyed by marvel comics getting the hair colors wrong on the only two Norse deities where their hair color is specified in the surviving myths? They depicted Thor (described as having red hair and a curly red beard that emitted sparks when he got angry) as a clean-shaven blonde, and golden-haired Sif as having black hair!
It doesn't bother me today as much as it did 40+ years ago when I was not yet ten, but it still annoys...
How odd that there was no mention of the toy company that invented the Ouija board under a different name as a party game, but changed the name to Ouija and added the claim that you could communicate with spirits to get it to sell better...
" A hyroglyphic library codex can be used for Comparison of the etching and any knowledge of known pre-existing meaning or representative carvings isolated,recorded ,photographed and studied for authenticity . Im sorry to say fake stones dont make good archeological treasures !! However ,once you establish a plausible find and get experts to confirm they have real probability and cause to undetake further exploits , we can only speculate! ***Recently ,scientist and spelunker cave hunters found massive underground city dwelling structures beneath the "Death valley desert" once deemed a folklore fantasy tale ,now well documented to view on youtube .
I'm sorry. There are no such things as faeries. Megaliths are built in visually arresting and viewable areas not on "electro-magnetic alignments". Ringforts, including Cashels, are not megaliths. Megaliths, as the name implies are structures made from Large stones or boulders such as standing stones. stone alignments or stone rings. To address some errors in the article itself - there are 45000 known ringforts in Ireland alone, not Northern Europe, with many more forgotten as they have been ploughed under. Most ringforts are within view of others, in clusters, presumably for mutual support. Univallate ringforst (single circle) are lowest on the hierarchy. Bivallate and multivallate ringforts are seen as royal or important. Large ringforts which are univallate are not seen as more important - importance is denoted by number of rings the exception being cashels. But, yeah, deons, devls, fairys - far more believable than farmers and cattle.
Unless they've been enhanced during a conservation process (which would be unacceptable as verification in most archaeological colleges) the carvings on the stones shown in the top couple of images appear to be remarkably fresh for a site that is claimed to have been in use at the time of the Roman Empire's demise.
The authenticity of this site, bearing in mind that there have been hoaxes perpetrated in this part of the world before, should remain questionable until independent dating of stone relics can be carried out. There's a method available, that uses zircon counting I believe...?
Palestine and Palestinians are known since ancient history. The Ashkenazi people who were brought to Palestine by the British army during their occupation of Palestine are not related to Palestine and are not the descendants of Moses or Abraham. The origins of Ashkenazi people are the Khazarian Empire. (See the book of Arthur Koestler “The Thirteenth Tribe”). Israel is the biggest hoax in history.
the articles are great and enriching
Regardless of left or right brain with enough work with tools.. It would be very easy for Paleolithic peoples to have carved stone.. Because they used so many natural materials it is hard to track but make no mistake they were very right brained.
I, too, can see these as dwellings.
These structures also could have been used for storage, hence the "corks". Like squirrels, I'm sure they had to store up for the harsh winters.
If the 9th century BC datation is correct, it can hardly be roman ! A more believable origin would be phoenician, who were already great navigators at that time.
They were also doing terracotta artefacts for religious purposes, including some of bearded men quite similar to that one !
Anyway, that wouldn't even prove that there has been any direct contact between precolombian people and phoenicians, the artefact could very well have been lost at sea in a shipwreck and then transported to Mexico by sea current.
I so enjoyed the article and comments on Tintagel, Arthur, and the history of early England. I am an 81 year old English major who never tires of reading these kinds of theories. Thanks
Yes fairies are Demonic Spirits impersonating anything you will believe in support of Satan's religion. Megalithic sites are built on electromagnetic alignments in the earth where Demons manifest themselves. Crop Circles, haunted houses, Pagan burial sites/sacred grounds, and UFO events happen in these places.
_.... The stone record hewed upon the selected glyphes can only tell the tales of past deities ,human exploits,hunts,tribalism ,or even teaching from gods they were influenced by dictating a realm of wisdom begotten due to influenced lores and expression of details they retained as a thematic custom derived from living out thier attempt to be all they dreamed in the seasonal path given them as Time allowed . Decipherment must intiated and researched thoroughly to gather a total pictographic / graphical scenario of time,events,customs , traditional themes,weaponry ,tools, feeding trends,migration ,habits ,and workmanship . This discovery needs much attention !!
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