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  • Reply to: Eye of Horus: The True Meaning of an Ancient, Powerful Symbol   2 years 10 months ago
    Comment Author: Bruce N.

    The Eye of Horus = The Eye of Odin?  All mythological histories are different interpretations of the same events.

  • Reply to: What Do You Think About Atlantis?   2 years 10 months ago
    Comment Author: Ancient Sunflower

    Plato states his information came from notes taken by the great Greek statesman Solon when he visited Egypt and heard the story of Atlantis.  I think the key here is “notes” suggesting a few brief comments and not a historical document.  It makes perfect sense that Plato took the basic information that a mighty civilization sank overnight 10,000 years ago (I don’t recall the exact figure he gave).  That time period is right when the sea level rose 400 feet as the glaciers of the ice age melted.   There’s also a theory that there was a comet impact around then that caused the Younger Dryas.   All in all, a bad time for cities built on an island or a sea shore.  But Plato needed to tell an interesting story and give details so he took the Minoan Civilization and the eruption of Santorini that was only 1000 years before Plato’s time (approximately) so more information would be available.  So he described Atlantis using Minoan references .  I think the key is he says Atlantis sinned in planning to attack Athens!  It would make sense there had been war between the Minoans and Athens.  There are Greek myths that suggest that.   So my point is that I think there are two parts to finding the truth about Atlantis.  First dismiss all the description that fits Santorini and the Minoans.  Then focus on the basic claim about a mighty civilization that sank into the ocean (or got flooded by a rising sea0 10,000 years ago.  If we can prove it existed, that will rewrite ancient history.

  • Reply to: New Megalithic Site Could Steal Title for Oldest Stone Monument   2 years 10 months ago
    Comment Author: Ancient Sunflower

    Yes, here is the link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_g34w96yA9k   It’s strange there’s been no other follow up.

  • Reply to: Popular Atlantis Theories   2 years 10 months ago
    Comment Author: Step
    Mu

    That’s a fair question Sonya. Judging by all the other replies on this thread there are many theories as to what Atlantis was and where it was located. It is interesting that some people are quite adamant that their solution to the question is the correct one however it is obvious that Plato was not exactly sure himself where the legendary continent was. Nobody knows for sure where the place he was referring to is located.

    The ancient continent of Mu has also been called Whaga and Pan in different historical texts. It may or may not have been called Atlantis in later myths and legends (by later I mean at the time of Plato). The entire continent of Mu, Whaga or Pan did not disappear below the ocean, parts of it are still above water. Many of the smaller Pacific islands are individual mountains (mostly volcanoes) and the larger islands are mountain ranges of the continent. It was huge and covered much of the middle and northern Pacific Ocean. The coastline at it’s western extremity included Sulawesi in Indonesia then heading north it included the Philipines, Taiwan, Japan and the Aleutians. From there the coast headed south to Rapanui or Easter Island, meaning that what is know known as Hawaii was about 1,000 miles or 1,600 km inland. From Rapanui the south coast encompassed Fiji, New Caledonia and Vanuatu and the huge island of Papua new Guinea, extending to Sulawesi in the west. The continent of Australia was separated from Pan by the Torres Strait and the Arafura sea.

    Remnants of an ancient high culture have been discovered on most of the Pacific islands and Sulawesi. Indeed some very large temple structures have been discovered underwater: Nan Madol in the ocean adjacent to the island of Phonpei and Yonaguni in the Japanese prefecture of Okinawa. There are also extensive canals on the island of Papua New Guinea that have been overgrown by forest.

    Being such a large continent the people who did escape the submersion would have gone to North and South America, and places that are now known as Siberia, China, Vietnam, Borneo, Java and Australia. In all of these places the indigenous people have legends of the great flood. As people migrated throughout the world the story or the cultural memory would have been carried with them.

    Whether that is the continent later referred to by the Greeks as Atlantis we will never know because Plato himself did not know where it was.

  • Reply to: The Langeid Viking Battle Axe and a Warrior Who Singlehandedly Held Off the Entire English Army   2 years 10 months ago
    Comment Author: Meshkiangkasher

    The whole “Super Viking of Stamford Bridge” bit is likely a work of complete fiction. It’s pretty much humanly impossible for one person to hold off/kill 50 other able bodied fighting men in the midst of a battle.

  • Reply to: Popular Atlantis Theories   2 years 10 months ago
    Comment Author: TinklePit

    “Atlantis the Andes Solution” by J. M. Allen appears to have solved it.  Atlantis is right where Plato said it was.

    1. “Atlantis” refers to both the continent and the capitol city.  If we assume that it was the city which sank and not the whole continent, then South America fits the description.
    2. Plato said that a mountain range crossed the continent.  The Andes fit this description.
    3. Plato said that half way down the mountain range there was a large plane of a certain size.  Such a plane of that size exists on the eastern side of the Andes just south of where the west coast takes a bend to the south.  Just south of Sajama National Park.
    4. Plato said that the plane was criss crossed with canals which irigated the land and storing water from the rainy season for use in the dry season.  Remains of canals can be seen in arial photos of the plane.
    5. Plato said that Atlantis was located in the sea next to the plane.  Lake “Lago Poopo” is just to the south east of the plane.
    6. Plato said that the sea is no longer navigatable because the earthquakes which sank Atlantis caused it to fill with silt.  Lago Poopo can not be navigated because earthquakes in its history filled it with silt.
    7. The Egyption Priest said that the remains of Atlantis can be found in the many temples in the mountains which still existed.  The Andes are filled with temples whose builders are uncertain.

    The book goes on with many references and details.

  • Reply to: Medieval Wales: 200 Skeletons Unearthed At Forgotten Coastal Chapel   2 years 10 months ago
    Comment Author: Nicko4404

    People still do that in Tassie where I'm from. Small pebble on a tombstone, usually white. It's a moment mori sort of thing. I was quite surprised that nobody knows about it in Wales, because I thought it was a Celtic thing

  • Reply to: Stunning Medieval Treasures Discovered in Wales By Metal Detectorists   2 years 10 months ago
    Comment Author: Nicko4404

    The Lord of the Rings ring was like a plain gold wedding band. Just sayin..

  • Reply to: The Younger Dryas Impact Debate - Is It Settled Yet?   2 years 10 months ago
    Comment Author: Crasslee

    I've been following this story, and the resulting developments for a few years now. This is a fantastic update, and shows great progress.
    Thank you.

  • Reply to: Popular Atlantis Theories   2 years 10 months ago
    Comment Author: Sideral7

    It is now very well known that the Atlantis island/continent existed and it was situated in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean.Its final destruction took place around 13,500 years ago.Those who are lucky enough to have access to the Akashic Records could tell a lot about this subject.

     

  • Reply to: Medieval Cooking Pots Reveal Rural People Under Muslim Rule Ate Pork!   2 years 10 months ago
    Comment Author: Crasslee

    Were all Sicilians Muslim at this time? The older Muslim world is famous at times for their tolerance of people that practice other faiths in their societies. So maybe much of the rural population of Sicily weren't Muslim?

  • Reply to: Popular Atlantis Theories   2 years 10 months ago
    Comment Author: Gaius_Maximus

    If you want to understand anything like Atlantis, your search must be both BROAD and deep.  But you all keep digging deeper into dry wells.  Stop it.  None of that stuff leads anywhere at all.  You won’t find anything there.  Most of the stuff you parrot is just literally fiction pulled straight out of someone’s imagination anyway.  Mu indeed.  You’ll NEVER get anywhere that way.

    So, for example, look up the Voynich manuscript.  See that fold-out with the nine circles?  Recognize it?  Those are the nine worlds of Yggdrasil, the nine heads of the 9-headed Naga, the 9 lights of the Hanukiah menorah, the nine figures of the Mount Nimrud ‘chess set’.  They are, in fact, the nine worlds of the post-diluvian solar system.

    Now, how does that apply?  Because there were actually ten, and everybody knew it.  It was just rarely mentioned.  Enoch, for example explains the ten HEAVENS, as planets and their orbits, from the innermost (in his time) to the outermost.  Of the outermost, though, he says ‘we don’t discuss that because that is the face of God’.  And, no, it’s not a tenth planet.  What he means by the tenth sphere is the rest of the stars in the universe.  And this is entirely appropriate and correct because, to the ancients, the universe WAS God, and God was the universe.  It’s the age-old dichotomy in perspectives: Pantheism vs. Panentheism.  And it’s the answer to the ten kingdoms of Atlantis.

    Y’all are making the same mistake our nuclear physicists AND our astro physicists keep making in that you keep looking down instead of up.  The source of the atom is not in the atom.  The power of the sun is not in the sun.  And Atlantis is no mere island, mountain, or obscure and remote formation on the earth.  But it’s not gone either.  You just don’t recognize it anymore.  The Atlantis you all are looking for *IS* the earth.  (Although the full truth is that the earth is just the reflection of the real, origital Atlantis, just as Egypt was, according to Herodotus, the reflection of heaven.)

    You all look silly chasing your tails, only ever adding further confusion to the matter.

    And you can stow that ‘thinks they know more than everyone else’ stuff.  Y’all are taking charlatans and fiction writers as gospel.  UFOs, aliens, magic, … what’s next?  Black holes?  The fifth dimension?

    YES!  I DO know more than those who spread manure like that.

  • Reply to: Popular Atlantis Theories   2 years 10 months ago
    Comment Author: Prince

    For anybody wanting to see what the world (potentially) looked like at the Ice Age, one can get a bathymetric map, and then outline the margin of the ocean’s continental shelf, and that of the vastly sloping continental slope down to the abyssal floor.  That would show you (at maximum extreme) what the sea level was before any glaciers and ice melt happened (and a solar/cosmic CME happened that would have scorched and burned the equatorial regions of those areas.  One must also remove the Aral Sea, Caspian Sea, Sea of Azov, Black Sea, Mediterranean, Red Sea, Persian Gulf, the Baltic, the Caribbean, as these were oncle land locked and (as Robert Ballard has shown) there were multiple villages at the bottom of the Mediterranean, and other places.  One must also revisit the shorelines of Cardiff and the ocean shoreline forest that has SUNK (glaciers gone … island masses slowly rise UP !), and the English Channel that once was Doggerland, connecting both England and the continent.  That, amongst other smaller peninsulas and subsided regions around the world, would have been the source for where any pre-Flood, Ice Age existing Atlantis would have been found – below the glacial margin in the tropics and temperate zones.

  • Reply to: Popular Atlantis Theories   2 years 10 months ago
    Comment Author: DavidK
    1. 1. The Richat structure. It has the correct colours concentric bands of rock. I think it could have been filled with water. Its longitude is literally beyond Gibraltar. Being beyond the Pillars of Hercules may refer to the route of access. North Western Africa may have been separated from the rest of Africa by the Trans-Saharan Seaway, and would have been a huge island about the size of Australia, though this may have been too long. ago.
    2. 2. Tenochtitlan, Mexico CIty. The pattern of artificial canals may have been redesigned by the time of the conquistadors. 
    3. 3. Some islands in the Atlantic ocean have mountains that could have been said to be amongst the tallest in the known classical world. These include: Pico, Azores and Teide, Tenerife. We would be looking for mountains about as tall as Mount Olympos. Other islands with tall mountains include La Palma, Gran Canaria, and Madeira. There are several submerged seamounts in the Atlantic Ocean, some of which appear as islands on old maps. Off the coast of Portugal in particular.
    4. 4. Erlingsson proposed Ireland as Atlantis. Notably, the island has a central plain and perimeter mountains. It is possible that the island could have been inundated, perhaps by glacial melt water.
    5. 5. Rockall Plateau. Perhaps depression and rebound of the crust from glacial ice sheet weight could have had an influence. It seems to have an elevated perimeter.
    6. 6. Porcupine Bank, possible location of Hy Brasil.
    7. 7. The Dogger Bank could have been submerged by a tsunami after the Storegga Slides off the coast of Norway.
    8. 8. The bursting of Lake Agassiz is also worth mentioning as a possibly catastrophic flood event.
    9. 9. Parts of the Caribbean, Antilles, or Bahamas, now under the sea.
  • Reply to: Popular Atlantis Theories   2 years 10 months ago
    Comment Author: Step

    Hi Danny, I like your idea to use a digital sea floor map to virtually lower the oceans and see what landforms are revealed. I am not sure how much of the earth below sea level has been accurately mapped, do you know Danny? I am certain there are many cities below the seas and oceans of the world yet to be discovered. They may be even better preserved than the ancient cities on dry land.

  • Reply to: Popular Atlantis Theories   2 years 10 months ago
    Comment Author: Peterpanther

    In regard to the ancient civilization of Mu; A while ago, I was talking to Jason Phillips a Taumoko artist of Whakarewarewa and he was telling me how a friend had been to Tibet and found a real connection with the people. What caught his attention was being greeted with the Pukana - a Maori (and Tibetan) tradition of sticking out ones tongue to show off ones virility. He also noticed how similar the priest’s garb was to Hawaiian chiefs. The orange crescent crest hats and red robes were uncannily similar. He thought there had to be some sort of priestly connection - but how could there be a commonality to two cultures 10,000 kilometres apart - how could a mountain dwelling culture and a seafaring nation be related? I was perplexed, then one day I saw this paper by; Katsushi Tokunaga etal. ’A Genetic link between Asians and Native Americans; ‘HLA’s A24-Cw8-B48, A24-Cw10-B60 and A24-Cw9-B61 were all commonly observed in Taiwan indigenous populations (pre Chinese), Tibetans, Thais, Tlingit, Maori, Pima, Maya, Japanese, Orochon, Buryat, Man, Yakut and Inuit.’ These findings indicated that East Asia was the dispersal point for both the Tibetans and the Polynesians, not to mention certain Native American groups. Studies by Mark Stoneking indicate this dispersal occurred approximately 6,000 years ago, before the Chinese expanded down onto the East Coast from the interior.
    A little research revealed that the Tibetans believe they are descended from Avalokitesvara and ancestress GuanYin, who were from an island off the coast of China - Putuo Shan - The Sanscrit equivelant of Putuo is Potalaka. The palace of Dalai Lama in Lhasa is called `Potala Palace' - also the residence of Avalokitesvara. Although Buddha only goes back to 600AD, earlier forms of the Buddhist religion go back much further than that. When one sees the megalithic entrance rocks on Putuo Shan, one can imagine this island has a very deep history of great importance to the origins of the East Asian people.
    Looking on a map, one finds Putuo Shan is on the south side of the Yellow Sea - the home sea of Hawai’i Loa - the discoverer of Hawai’i and not far from the centre of the Hemudu culture - a culture that some believe was the birth place of the Austronesian culture. Further into the Yellow Sea, one finds the Hongshan culture which produced Jade carvings not unlike the Jade carving of the Maori. On the North side of the Yellow sea can be found petroglyphs not unlike the ones in the Bella Coola Valley - also attributed to a proto Polynesian culture.
    When I first heard the names Potala and Putuo, I immediately thought of Pulotu - the Samoan ancestral homeland.
    In Tongan mythology, Pulotu is presided over by ancestral figure Havea Hikuleʻo. In Tongan cosmology the sky, the sea, and Pulotu existed from the beginning, and the gods lived there. There are suggestions that for Tonga and Samoa, Pulotu refers to a real country that went underwater - a place where there was a civilization for which they held great reverence.
    It is not hard to imagine that Putuo Shan may hold the key to the origins of the Polynesian nation. A remnant of a lost civilization that once inhabited the flooded continental shelf off East Asia. One can imagine this great civilization being ruled by kings and Queens in red robes and orange crescent crests with processions adorned with rows of Kahili.
    Hawai’i is most definitely a nation connected to the North Pacific - the Hawai'ian language uses L instead of R as in East Asian languages, they use the Glottal Stop the same as the Tlingit and Haida and they make stone tools similar to Both East Asia and the Canadian NW - This is the area people need to be looking to find the origins of the Polynesian culture - not New Guinea or Indonesia. It has the right mix of DNA, the right stone technologies, culture and oral histories that all agree with the science. Why are there no scientific studies being done regarding these obvious connections?
     

  • Reply to: Spectacular Caerlaverock Castle Is Under The Climate Microscope   2 years 10 months ago
    Comment Author: Cataibh

    For the record, the imposter I refer to is AGW.

    I have not been able to save any edit to a comment on this site for months.

  • Reply to: Spectacular Caerlaverock Castle Is Under The Climate Microscope   2 years 10 months ago
    Comment Author: Cataibh

    We have as much chance of evolving into marine creatures as there is of us seeing anthropogenic climate change a la the BBC's perpetual position.The medieval Maxwells both faced and delivered real threats. They didn't need to make them up.

    However, if one wishes to further one's career an appearance on the BBC is a step forward and there is nought the Beeb love better than adding an anthropogenic climate change angle to just about any story involving actual science. It's almost as if they understand that imposters need to mingle with the real thing to really be accepted.

    In that sense, today's no different to medieval times.

  • Reply to: Popular Atlantis Theories   2 years 10 months ago
    Comment Author: Prince

    The Mystery Schools of the Lesser Mysteries and the Greater Mysteries talk about the past civilizations on the planet.  What then appears is:

    (1)  Lemuria/Mu-I (400,000s – 100,000s BCE) destroyed by some greater unstated event

    (2)  Lemuria/Mu-II and Atlantis-I (100,000s – 40,000s BCE) destroyed by some greater unstated event

    (3)  Lemuria/Mu-III, Atlantis-II, and Egypt-I (40,000s – 12,000s/10,000s BCE) this would be that period of a cosmic CME, massive vitrification of rocks around the planet, instant glacial ice into steam into the upper atmosphere, and any later cooling effects of condensed upper atmospheric waters in the heavens coming down onto the planet (not the Flood).

    (4)  Lemuria/Mu-IV, Atlantis-III, Egypt-II, and Greece-I (and the possibility of other places not mentioned in other fertile crescent locations) (12,000s/10,000s – ~1987 BCE) rogue moon captured, disruption of the atmospheric waters, the biblical Flood, and rising oceans

    (5)  Lemuria/Mu-V, Atlantis-IV, Egypt-III, Greece-II (and other locations) post-Flood era (~1987 - 1207/1206 BCE)  rogue planet Venus flybys and eventual solar capture.  Humanity survives through this event.  Scattering of the American Noahics to Europe and other fertile crescent locations.

    (6) Current era (1207/1206 BCE – today CE) … what civilizations and locations demised or survived in lesser status became our modern textbooks of ancient history and archaeology.

    If the Atlantis destruction fits anywhere into these statements, then it is Atlantis-II that is talked about, with the same collateral foundation of Egypt-I and all such constructions of ancient pyramids, mega-statuary et al constructed in this time period.  Any foundations of Atlantis surviving down to the period of the biblical Flood – and probable demise therein.

     

     

  • Reply to: Popular Atlantis Theories   2 years 10 months ago
    Comment Author: Peterpanther

    Yes I agree. I have no reason to doubt the story provided by Plato, but I believe it has been misinterpreted by some. He said there were ten kingdoms of Atlantis. The ringed harbour was merely the capital and was on an island – not a continent – possibly the Azores – Atlantis was clearly a seafaring nation, basing its economy on sea trade. The description that it was as large as Libya and Asia – can only mean one place – The Americas. Andrew Collin’s book on Atlantis in the Caribbean and Jim Allen’s book Atlantis Lost Kingdom in the Andes are both right – they have placed two out of the ten locations of Atlantis. I can imagine another three kingdoms would have been the Amazon, Central America and The Mississippi region of North America. So that is 4 including the Caribbean. Another in the Azores – the capital, then North West Africa (Lixus and Morocco), also Egypt, Spain and the British Isles (Doggerland)  –  so thats 9 out of ten. Greece was an enemy of the state of Atlantis. I do believe the mid Atlantic ridge was out of the water during the time of Atlantis – due to isostatic rebalancing of the ice at the poles depressing the earth’s crust and causing a distention of the ocean floor where it is the most flexible – such as the mid Atlantic ridge. The Woods Hole Geological expedition did find beach sand lines either side of the ridge that were 25,000 years old proving that the ridge was out of the water 25,000 years ago. The Azores is part of that ridge and would have been 1-2 km above sea level during the ice age. Trying to blend legend with the facts, the Atlanteans were most likely the Solutreans of France/Spain who have the same tool types as the Clovis Hunters 15,000 years ago - they would have been Cro Magnon man – taller than modern man and would have been the foundation for Lakota and Mayan stories of the blonde haired bearded giants from 18,000 years ago. Hairy and big were both traits common to many animals during the Ice Age due to natural selection adapting to the cold conditions. Pale skin, blue/green eyes and blonde hair are also adaptive traits as the body dumps Melanin from the system as it tries to absorb Vitamin D from the weaker sun. Basque DNA is also a remnant of these early people of Europe who stopped interacting with Europe 13,000 years ago – the time when the comet hit the Canadian Ice Shield 12,900 years ago, destroying the Kingdom of Atlantis and severing contact between Europe and the Americas. Remnants of these people in the Americas can be seen in the DNA of the golden haired Araucano of Chile and the DNA of the red haired Easter Islanders – who have DNA closer to the cro magnon man of early Europe than the Basques themselves. Their tallness, red hair, green eyes and very broad chins are all traits of these cro magnon people of Atlantis. The Waitaha and Ngati Hotu people of New Zealand are also a remnant of these early people of who connect with the ancient people of Tulan (the name for Atlantis in the Americas). Mu is a different story. That is most likely the seafaring kingdom of the Pacific – which included the now submerged continental shelf of East Asia, Sunderland, New Guinea, Hawaii and with trade contact with the Atlanteans in Central  America. If you look at the seafloor around Hawai’i, the old coastline is quite obvious – you can see for a significant time it was much higher out of the water – to the tune of 900 metres! Possibly during the last Ice age – the time of Mu. The Jomon culture was quite sophistocated 15,000 years ago and there are sites in Indonesia (Gunung Padang)  and New Guinea (irrigation channels) that also go back 12-15,000 years. Each sub kingdom had its own character. These early seatraders did not have the arrogant mentality of the Spanish and English – how they systematically destroyed the cultures of the Americas under the dubious banner of the Christian cross. Instead, it was a live and let live – fair trade with sovereign states. The Hawaiian and the Tibetan cultures are probably the best remnant of this ancient culture of Mu. Kings with golden or red robes with crescent crests, a culture where intuition was valued as well as compassion, honour and dignity.   

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