What’s that got to do with it? It is a simple fact that literally all of the ancients revered planets as gods, and various other astronomical constructs and phenomena as heavens, angels, devils, etc. That’s just fact. It is undeniable. Worse still, for any wishing to jetison any such ideas is that the ancients saw those spheres up close and personal to the point that they described them in great detail, with no satellites or even telescopes.
Take, for example, the Santa Claus myth. It’s religion, actually, and not a children’s fairy tale. And it’s no accident that it comes from the northern hemisphere only; it was intimately tied to the north ‘pole’ … back when the north pole was visible as the pillar of heaven. Santa Claus was Mars, red coloring, rotund physique, white trimming, and all. Even the (two) lumps of coal, or two black Petes (in Holland and Belgium), come from the moons of Mars, the two blackest bodies in our solar system. And Mars was once prominently positioned off our north pole, until it began to descend to earth. And then returned to its northernmost position again. And it repeated this. How often? We don’t know, but, clearly, often enought that it became a pattern, and the myth of Sissyphus.
And then, one day, Mars didn’t stop. It kept right on going. Giving us the myth of the dying god, Santa coming down to the ‘children’ of men to give them a gift. Hercules, Heracles, Sussanoo, and many others are this god.
Ultimately, Christ would associate himself with Mars during and after his life, and Paul the apostle would seal that association on the Areopagus in Athens. Look up a picture of Mars. See the red robes? See the marks of the nails? See the wound in its side? Yeah. How would any ancient, earthbound observer have known any of that? The knew it because Mars was once much closer to the earth. And now it isn’t.
Just throwing this out there, but. Could Atlantis NOT have been from another planet, as in a UFO.
I don’t need any BS crap coming from anyone who thinks they know more than anyone else. This is a discussion after all.
Is the story Plato told of the Atlantis tale not part of a Socratic dialogue, where he asks to meet a few guys and tell his story of the ideal state?
Why should everyone take this as being historically accurate?
I’m only asking this as the the story is preceded by an account of Helios son tying horses to his father's chariot and then driving them through the sky and scorching the earth. (another UFO type analogy) I mean rather than exact reporting of past events, the Atlantis story describes an impossible set of circumstances at the time which were designed by Plato to represent how a miniature utopia failed and became a lesson to us defining the proper behavior of a state. Which at the time was Athens, and it you look at the spelling of Athens the first 2 letters are AT, then we could have [ land is] ie. Atlandis, (Atlantis) Again this is just MY theory that Atlantis just didn’t exist, or if it did it was alien technology as in a UFO and was here maybe for a few months and dissappeared.
Yes, it seems in my opinion that Plato's story, or was it Solon's story, picked up in Egypt that has a lot of truth in it.
However, we are so focused on one specific place, but in my opinion there could be more than one place in the World we can call remnants of Atlantis. Or probably, and of course, just an hypothesis, couldn't it be a high civilised civilization parallel with a far more primitive civilisation.?
The real Atlantis ?? Remnants too, could be the Eye of Africa, Guelb Dr Richat, near the small village of Ouadane in Mauritania, West Africa. (visiting Atlantis.com)
The destruction of those civilisations, due to Eart Crust displacement almost 12000 years ago as described by the late Charles Hapgood ? (Interesting new book; Deep History and the Ages of Man by Mark H Gaffney) The Black Sea Flood, probably happened the same time.
It is clear that We, our current Humanity is one of amnesia, as said by Immanuel Velikovsky. Furthermore We have the tendency to ignore, suppress, even destroy information, ideas and more when it doesn't fit in our "believe" or ideas. That's on a personal level and on an administrative, government level as well.
I saw Heinrich Schliemann mentioned, but there is a very interesting and convincing book of Iman Wilkens; Where Troy once Stood. ! And not in Turkey, but somewhere near, what's now is Cambridge in England. But that story is not well known. Amnesia ? It's not peer reviewed, so it doesn"t count !
Mount Sinai, where according to the Bible Moses got the 10 commandments. I visited the place, but while traveling, there is another story, that the real mount is Jebel el Laws and that's in Saudi Arabia not to far from the Red Sea. The area is fenced of. The Saudi's have already Mecca. They are not waiting for Christians too.
The "Atlantans", have they "tweaked" our DNA an 40000 years ago? And where did they came from and when ? Far further deep. In history. But how far ?
There has been much confusion about the location of Atlantis, simply because the geography of Eurasia has changed due to deglaciation since the last Ice Age, and because there was a cataclysmic flood across Eurasia possibly around 10,000 years ago.
While the cause of the flood remains a mystery, I believe this resulted in survivors migrating to the predynastic Nile Valley, ( and elsewhere). Hence the Egyptian knowledge of Atlantis which was passed on to Solan then Plato.
These two papers are of interest in this regard and provide physical evidence as strandlines and erosion features on a mud volcano to testify to a catastrophic flood:
Ref- The Ice Age Rise and Fall of the Ponto Caspian by Ronnie Gallagher in Academia.edu
Ref – Observations of Caspian strandlines, their use as highstand indicators with consideration for their implications with regard to regional geomorphology, paleodrainage, and biodiversity, by Ronnie Gallagher in Academia.edu
Ancient Origins researchers ought to focus their attention on the flooded Caucasus territories as the location of Atlantis. Reginald Fessenden went into this in great detail. Sir William Flinders Petrie, also commented on this in the article below. Unfortunately, both Fessenden and Petrie were unaware of the catastrophic flood, otherwise their sceptics might have listened more closely.
While the strandline evidence proves there was a flood, to an incredible 222m / 730 ft above mean sea level, this has yet to be dated. Dating can be done using optical stimulated luminescence (OSL) of sediments below two candidate mud volcanoes, - Boyuk Kanizadagh and Davilidagh. I suggest that any serious researchers into Atlantis might wish to encourage an OSL investigation to date the flood. This could advance the debate about the territories of Atlantis being the Cucasian isthmus.
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An interesting observation is made with regard to Oceanus. Referring to Plato he states ‘For he makes the sun to rise out of Oceanus and to set in Oceanus….from the deep stream of gently-flowing Oceanus’. Here the Sea of Atlantis is connected by the Manych (Manytsch) strait. Plato also states that Atlantis is between the Pillars of Hercules which is between the Kerch Strait at the Sea of Azov, and the enterance to the Caspian Sea. Interestingly at an elevation of 26m asl the Caspian flows through a corridor to the Sea of Azov. This gateway or harbour at the edge of the swollen Caspian is today called Terekli Mehtab. On older maps and an echo of the past it is described as Stavka Terekli (Stave of Hercules] ). This can be read as a pillar of Hercules. This cannot be a coincidence and suggests the flooded territory around the Caucasus Mountain range including the Caspian, Black and Sea of Azov was the Sea of Atlantis where the sun rises and sets in the same body of water. The gently flowing Manych corridor has to be Oceanus. Note. The location of Terekli Mehteb today is 44° 9'42.51"N 45°52'26.33"E.
There are also many other comparators to support the Caucasus as Atlantis.
Here is what Petrie (the father of Egyptology) has to say on Fessenden’s Atlantis opinion.
Flinders Petrie September 1924
NOTE
Flinders Petrie was one of the most famous Egyptologists of his time, and he was one of the founders of modern archaeological field methods. In this September 1924 book review, he embraced the strange ideas of Reginald Fessenden, a pioneering radio engineer and inventor, who had come to believe that he had found proof that Atlantis was located along the Black Sea and had been destroyed at the end of the Ice Age in Noah's Flood. In the 1950s, J. O. Kinnaman, one of the archaeologists who helped excavate Tutankhamun's tomb, claimed that Petrie had made an agreement with the Egyptian government to suppress the evidence he had found of Atlantis in Egypt. While that story was false but widely repeated in fringe circles, the text below represents proof of Petrie's actual, if slight, interest in Atlantis. This article first appeared in the journal Ancient Egypt in 1924, and a search of U.S. copyright renewals found no evidence that its copyright was renewed as required by U.S. law.
THE CAUCASIAN ATLANTIS AND EGYPT.
The tales about Atlantis have a perpetual fascination for those who love to speculate on the riddles of the past. The latest theory is that of Mr. Reginald Fessenden, which he has put forward in The Deluged Civilization of the Caucasian Isthmus, and with additions bearing more on Egypt in the Christian Science Monthly, 18th March, 1924. The writer is competent to handle the questions from a scientific point of view, and he has certainly stated some positions which are worth considering independently of his main proposition. It is desirable, therefore, to notice various parts of the theories separately, so as to see how much can be accepted. There can be no doubt that the Caucasus had a larger place in ancient geography and beliefs than in modern thought. That region was the background of Greek myths—Prometheus, Herakles, Jason; Herodotus knew the general condition of it, and Strabo gives a detailed account of the geography and the tribes. It is not unreasonable, then, to consider if it may be referred to as the region of other half-mythical accounts.
In the legend of the Hesperides there are two opposite accounts confused. According to one source, Herakles advances to Mount Caucasus, kills the vulture which fed on Prometheus, and arrives at Mount Atlas among the Hyperboreans. Here is an entirely different localisation of the myth to that in the western ocean. Mr. Fessenden, after tabulating the various myths, follows the Asiatic clue as the earlier, and considers that the Greeks lost the original view owing to geographical changes; then the myth was transferred to lands which had later come into prominence in the West. He notes that Homer and Hesiod had no knowledge of Spain or the Atlantic, that the description of the ocean of Atlantis will not agree with the later Atlantic, and that there is no submerged area to be traced there belonging to traditional times.
This view that Mount Atlas was Asiatic brings us to the geological standpoint of an “Asiatic Mediterranean” of the early Pleistocene, stretching from the Arctic Ocean to include the Black Sea and the Caspian. This region would be all flooded by the last great submersion to 600-feet level. The connection of the Caspian with the Black Sea lasted much later, and would only require less than 50-feet rise of sea-level to renew their unity. A tradition of this seems shown when Strabo mentions that some persons still believed in a connection of the Caspian with the lake Maiotis (Sea of Azov), the northern branch of the Black Sea. Various legends of Herakles, Atlas, and the Pillars of Herakles, are all, then, taken as belonging to the Black Sea region, and having been later transferred to the West, when the Greeks were familiar with their colonial expansion in Sicily, Italy, Spain and France. The various traditions of the Deluge are next compared, from five different sources, and all refer to the Black Sea or lands adjacent. The nature of the catastrophe involves a sudden rise of sea-level, of amounts up to 125 feet. The conclusion is that a tidal wave in the Atlantis Sea north of the Black Sea caused a rush of water, which flooded all the shores of the Caucasus and destroyed a civilisation in that region. Such was the source of the legends of Atlantis.
An entirely separate course of the new theories is the proposed Egyptian connection with the Caucasus. Until this year anyone viewing such theories from the Egyptian side would have felt them to be outside of reasonable consideration. But a fundamental change has come over Egyptian archaeology with the discovery of the earliest civilisation yet known, which appears to be akin to the Solutrean. The remote district of Badari has now entered into archaeological literature, as the seat of the Badarian culture, of a high type in its pottery and ability to glaze, and well advanced in figure working. Moreover, this is clearly the basis of all the following prehistoric civilisation of Egypt; it forms part of the continuity of civilisation in that land. If—as appears—this is derived from the same stock as the Solutrean culture of Europe, it must have travelled down from the Caucasus region, for the Solutrean work passed north of the Black Sea into Austria, Poland and northern France, without developing on the Mediterranean. Hence the groundwork of Egyptian civilisation—planted on an African people— is from the Caucasus; with it, presumably, arrived a strong stock of the people who brought it, as a mere trade influence could not be supposed to travel so far with such fundamental effect on most arts.
This entirely new outlook finds strong support in ancient statements. Herodotus insists on the resemblances between the Colchians—south of the Caucasus—and the Egyptians in appearance, in customs, and in products. The Colchians are said to be dark by Herodotus, Pindar and Euripides, and Homer and Hesiod speak of Ethiopians in Colchis. Unhappily no research is possible in that region of Georgia, as it is now tortured politically by the Soviet.
The earliest civilisation of Egypt being thus linked to the Caucasus region, we cannot disregard some resemblances of names which Mr. Fessenden brings forward, and which may be further extended. In the Book of the Dead the sun is said to rise over the mountain of Bakhau, and the modern Baku is at the eastern extremity of the Caucasus. The sun is said to set in Tamanu, and the Taman peninsula is at the western end of the Caucasus. Close by that is the lake of Maiotis (Sea of Azov), and the lake Maoti was close to Tamanu in the west (ch. xvii). The gate to the Eastern horizon is called Haukar (Nebseni, ch. xvii), “behind the head of Kar,” and from Colchis the pass to the east is behind the head of the river Kur (Gr. Kuros), which descends to the Caspian, past Tiflis.
Such resemblances of names are sufficiently consistent in their position and in their relation to the probable source of the Egyptians to require full consideration, although we know how easily verbal resemblances may mislead. Any such names brought into Egypt with the first civilisation would necessarily undergo localisation in new positions in and around Egypt. In the Caucasus region the natural fires of petroleum springs, both in the west at Batoum, in Colchis, and in the east at Baku on the Caspian, are claimed as the original idea of the lakes of fire in the Book of the Dead. Further, these fiery streams and marshes are taken to be the origin of the Greek Pyri-phlegethon; the rich valley of the river Alazon is taken to be the origin of Elysion, and Erebus is the dark defile of the pass through the Caucasus. The Odyssey contains a sort of guidebook to the petroleum region, and many other connections are claimed. Whatever may be rejected, there seems to be good ground for seriously considering what has been noted above and seeing how far legends and traditions can be substantiated by research.
FLINDERS PETRIE.
Readers should also familiarise themselves with Petrie’s paper on the Origins of the Book of the Dead reported in my Academia.edu page.
There has been much confusion about the location of Atlantis, simply because the geography of Eurasia has changed due to deglaciation since the last Ice Age, and because there was a cataclysmic flood across Eurasia possibly around 10,000 years ago.
While the cause of the flood remains a mystery, I believe this resulted in survivors migrating to the predynastic Nile Valley, ( and elsewhere). Hence the Egyptian knowledge of Atlantis which was passed on to Solan then Plato.
These two papers are of interest in this regard and provide physical evidence as strandlines and erosion features on a mud volcano to testify to a catastrophic flood:
Ref- The Ice Age Rise and Fall of the Ponto Caspian by Ronnie Gallagher in Academia.edu
Ref – Observations of Caspian strandlines, their use as highstand indicators with consideration for their implications with regard to regional geomorphology, paleodrainage, and biodiversity, by Ronnie Gallagher in Academia.edu
Ancient Origins researchers ought to focus their attention on the flooded Caucasus territories as the location of Atlantis. Reginald Fessenden went into this in great detail. Sir William Flinders Petrie, also commented on this in the article below. Unfortunately, both Fessenden and Petrie were unaware of the catastrophic flood, otherwise their sceptics might have listened more closely.
While the strandline evidence proves there was a flood, to an incredible 222m / 730 ft above mean sea level, this has yet to be dated. Dating can be done using optical stimulated luminescence (OSL) of sediments below two candidate mud volcanoes, - Boyuk Kanizadagh and Davilidagh. I suggest that any serious researchers into Atlantis might wish to encourage an OSL investigation to date the flood. This could advance the debate about the territories of Atlantis being the Cucasian isthmus.
Note – Links do not seem to upload and create an error message.
An interesting observation is made with regard to Oceanus. Referring to Plato he states ‘For he makes the sun to rise out of Oceanus and to set in Oceanus….from the deep stream of gently-flowing Oceanus’. Here the Sea of Atlantis is connected by the Manych (Manytsch) strait. Plato also states that Atlantis is between the Pillars of Hercules which is between the Kerch Strait at the Sea of Azov, and the enterance to the Caspian Sea. Interestingly at an elevation of 26m asl the Caspian flows through a corridor to the Sea of Azov. This gateway or harbour at the edge of the swollen Caspian is today called Terekli Mehtab. On older maps and an echo of the past it is described as Stavka Terekli (Stave of Hercules] ). This can be read as a pillar of Hercules. This cannot be a coincidence and suggests the flooded territory around the Caucasus Mountain range including the Caspian, Black and Sea of Azov was the Sea of Atlantis where the sun rises and sets in the same body of water. The gently flowing Manych corridor has to be Oceanus. Note. The location of Terekli Mehteb today is 44° 9'42.51"N 45°52'26.33"E.
There are also many other comparators to support the Caucasus as Atlantis.
Here is what Petrie (the father of Egyptology) has to say on Fessenden’s Atlantis opinion.
Flinders Petrie September 1924
NOTE
Flinders Petrie was one of the most famous Egyptologists of his time, and he was one of the founders of modern archaeological field methods. In this September 1924 book review, he embraced the strange ideas of Reginald Fessenden, a pioneering radio engineer and inventor, who had come to believe that he had found proof that Atlantis was located along the Black Sea and had been destroyed at the end of the Ice Age in Noah's Flood. In the 1950s, J. O. Kinnaman, one of the archaeologists who helped excavate Tutankhamun's tomb, claimed that Petrie had made an agreement with the Egyptian government to suppress the evidence he had found of Atlantis in Egypt. While that story was false but widely repeated in fringe circles, the text below represents proof of Petrie's actual, if slight, interest in Atlantis. This article first appeared in the journal Ancient Egypt in 1924, and a search of U.S. copyright renewals found no evidence that its copyright was renewed as required by U.S. law.
THE CAUCASIAN ATLANTIS AND EGYPT.
The tales about Atlantis have a perpetual fascination for those who love to speculate on the riddles of the past. The latest theory is that of Mr. Reginald Fessenden, which he has put forward in The Deluged Civilization of the Caucasian Isthmus, and with additions bearing more on Egypt in the Christian Science Monthly, 18th March, 1924. The writer is competent to handle the questions from a scientific point of view, and he has certainly stated some positions which are worth considering independently of his main proposition. It is desirable, therefore, to notice various parts of the theories separately, so as to see how much can be accepted. There can be no doubt that the Caucasus had a larger place in ancient geography and beliefs than in modern thought. That region was the background of Greek myths—Prometheus, Herakles, Jason; Herodotus knew the general condition of it, and Strabo gives a detailed account of the geography and the tribes. It is not unreasonable, then, to consider if it may be referred to as the region of other half-mythical accounts.
In the legend of the Hesperides there are two opposite accounts confused. According to one source, Herakles advances to Mount Caucasus, kills the vulture which fed on Prometheus, and arrives at Mount Atlas among the Hyperboreans. Here is an entirely different localisation of the myth to that in the western ocean. Mr. Fessenden, after tabulating the various myths, follows the Asiatic clue as the earlier, and considers that the Greeks lost the original view owing to geographical changes; then the myth was transferred to lands which had later come into prominence in the West. He notes that Homer and Hesiod had no knowledge of Spain or the Atlantic, that the description of the ocean of Atlantis will not agree with the later Atlantic, and that there is no submerged area to be traced there belonging to traditional times.
This view that Mount Atlas was Asiatic brings us to the geological standpoint of an “Asiatic Mediterranean” of the early Pleistocene, stretching from the Arctic Ocean to include the Black Sea and the Caspian. This region would be all flooded by the last great submersion to 600-feet level. The connection of the Caspian with the Black Sea lasted much later, and would only require less than 50-feet rise of sea-level to renew their unity. A tradition of this seems shown when Strabo mentions that some persons still believed in a connection of the Caspian with the lake Maiotis (Sea of Azov), the northern branch of the Black Sea. Various legends of Herakles, Atlas, and the Pillars of Herakles, are all, then, taken as belonging to the Black Sea region, and having been later transferred to the West, when the Greeks were familiar with their colonial expansion in Sicily, Italy, Spain and France. The various traditions of the Deluge are next compared, from five different sources, and all refer to the Black Sea or lands adjacent. The nature of the catastrophe involves a sudden rise of sea-level, of amounts up to 125 feet. The conclusion is that a tidal wave in the Atlantis Sea north of the Black Sea caused a rush of water, which flooded all the shores of the Caucasus and destroyed a civilisation in that region. Such was the source of the legends of Atlantis.
An entirely separate course of the new theories is the proposed Egyptian connection with the Caucasus. Until this year anyone viewing such theories from the Egyptian side would have felt them to be outside of reasonable consideration. But a fundamental change has come over Egyptian archaeology with the discovery of the earliest civilisation yet known, which appears to be akin to the Solutrean. The remote district of Badari has now entered into archaeological literature, as the seat of the Badarian culture, of a high type in its pottery and ability to glaze, and well advanced in figure working. Moreover, this is clearly the basis of all the following prehistoric civilisation of Egypt; it forms part of the continuity of civilisation in that land. If—as appears—this is derived from the same stock as the Solutrean culture of Europe, it must have travelled down from the Caucasus region, for the Solutrean work passed north of the Black Sea into Austria, Poland and northern France, without developing on the Mediterranean. Hence the groundwork of Egyptian civilisation—planted on an African people— is from the Caucasus; with it, presumably, arrived a strong stock of the people who brought it, as a mere trade influence could not be supposed to travel so far with such fundamental effect on most arts.
This entirely new outlook finds strong support in ancient statements. Herodotus insists on the resemblances between the Colchians—south of the Caucasus—and the Egyptians in appearance, in customs, and in products. The Colchians are said to be dark by Herodotus, Pindar and Euripides, and Homer and Hesiod speak of Ethiopians in Colchis. Unhappily no research is possible in that region of Georgia, as it is now tortured politically by the Soviet.
The earliest civilisation of Egypt being thus linked to the Caucasus region, we cannot disregard some resemblances of names which Mr. Fessenden brings forward, and which may be further extended. In the Book of the Dead the sun is said to rise over the mountain of Bakhau, and the modern Baku is at the eastern extremity of the Caucasus. The sun is said to set in Tamanu, and the Taman peninsula is at the western end of the Caucasus. Close by that is the lake of Maiotis (Sea of Azov), and the lake Maoti was close to Tamanu in the west (ch. xvii). The gate to the Eastern horizon is called Haukar (Nebseni, ch. xvii), “behind the head of Kar,” and from Colchis the pass to the east is behind the head of the river Kur (Gr. Kuros), which descends to the Caspian, past Tiflis.
Such resemblances of names are sufficiently consistent in their position and in their relation to the probable source of the Egyptians to require full consideration, although we know how easily verbal resemblances may mislead. Any such names brought into Egypt with the first civilisation would necessarily undergo localisation in new positions in and around Egypt. In the Caucasus region the natural fires of petroleum springs, both in the west at Batoum, in Colchis, and in the east at Baku on the Caspian, are claimed as the original idea of the lakes of fire in the Book of the Dead. Further, these fiery streams and marshes are taken to be the origin of the Greek Pyri-phlegethon; the rich valley of the river Alazon is taken to be the origin of Elysion, and Erebus is the dark defile of the pass through the Caucasus. The Odyssey contains a sort of guidebook to the petroleum region, and many other connections are claimed. Whatever may be rejected, there seems to be good ground for seriously considering what has been noted above and seeing how far legends and traditions can be substantiated by research.
FLINDERS PETRIE.
Readers should also familiarise themselves with Petrie’s paper on the Origins of the Book of the Dead reported in my Academia.edu page.
The Eye of the Sahara is south and east of Gibraltar in Mauritania – negated. Such Jupiter or Saturn crappola as no one lives anywhere within the extreme geomagnetism and atmospheric pressurof those planets – negated. Such storylines of celestial events related to terrestrial events is beyond sanity – negated.
It is readily proven that when you reverse the paleomagnetic lines of the mid-ocean ridges, it DEMANDS that the planet was smaller in volume (not necessarily in mass). The planet’s core is not some iron and nickel core. It is a true piece of (super)nova core fragment that then accreted its own planetary asthenosphere and lithosphere. Just reducing the volume (and size) of the earth does not have to correlate to a planetary mass. With such a massive gravity core, that is then covered by a literal plasmatic uranium and radioactive actinides and lanthanides sphere, surrounded by plasmatic lead sphere, THEN surround that with your iron and nickel ferromagnetic SPHERE, etc asthenosphere and lithosphere, the planet CAN GROW and EXPAND with the same mass intact.
As such, the lithosphere has been the lithosphere and in context, is not part of the expanding asthenosphere. This planet has been far more small with the same mass of a plasmatic core and spheres in the paleo-past. Such expansion with a rock-solid lithosphere, even with shattered plate tectonics and any subsiding zones, the lithosphere remains the lithosphere. The smaller planet, with less oceans, and greater atmospheric waters (biblical “upper heavens”) would be these portions of waters NOT on the lithosphere and asthenosphere. Only after the greatest of a super solar or cosmic CME impacting the earth, and frying documented parts of the equatorial and temperate zones ancient contructions of vitrified stones in Egypt, Peru, Anatolia, … in the 12,000s/10,000s BCE, such massive volumes of waters were evaporated and condensed in the upper atmosphere. Only with the capture of the Moon, could any such upper atmospheres be disrupted and fall entirely onto the planet, filling up any and all regions of ocanic asthenospheric depths.
Atlantis can only be in the Thera/European theater or that of Central America, supported by biblical statements, ancient historians, and mythistory and legends that were stated by literal comments in their documents.
Clearly, the islands of the Azores are the mountain tops of Atlantis. The ocean floor dropped about 5000’ in 9600 BCE, as Lake Agassiz dumped its meltwaters into the Caribbean. The New England seamounts were dropped down at the same time, about the same amount. They were the islands that Plato said were the way to the main continent (America) beyond.
The Atlanteans migrated to Europe in 5 great waves: Aurignacian, Gravettian, Solutrean, Magdalenian and Azilian. They are the Cro-Magnon tribes whose origin has never been investigated by archaeology.
Atlantis at the Azores was close to the Great Meteor Seamount, an active volcanic system that has left a trail of seamounts and eruptions all the way to Hudson Bay. Every time that Great Meteor rumbled and shook, another Cro-Magnon tribe left Atlantis for the mainland. On average, the seismic activities happened about every 5500 years, accounting for the regular timescale of Cro-Magnon immigration.
Yes, you are essentially correct, but I’d lose that Lemuria stuff, especially because, while it was once, briefly, a synonym of Atlantis (and for no good reason), it became the mythical home of the lemurs. Time to toss that term.
You fail to understand the concept of reality. If things as patently absurd as subduction zones and land-masses sliding around on an asthenosphere are acceptable ‘science’ (not that either can be tested or even observed), then so is the expanding earth hypothesis. And so, for that matter, is the geode earth.
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What’s that got to do with it? It is a simple fact that literally all of the ancients revered planets as gods, and various other astronomical constructs and phenomena as heavens, angels, devils, etc. That’s just fact. It is undeniable. Worse still, for any wishing to jetison any such ideas is that the ancients saw those spheres up close and personal to the point that they described them in great detail, with no satellites or even telescopes.
Take, for example, the Santa Claus myth. It’s religion, actually, and not a children’s fairy tale. And it’s no accident that it comes from the northern hemisphere only; it was intimately tied to the north ‘pole’ … back when the north pole was visible as the pillar of heaven. Santa Claus was Mars, red coloring, rotund physique, white trimming, and all. Even the (two) lumps of coal, or two black Petes (in Holland and Belgium), come from the moons of Mars, the two blackest bodies in our solar system. And Mars was once prominently positioned off our north pole, until it began to descend to earth. And then returned to its northernmost position again. And it repeated this. How often? We don’t know, but, clearly, often enought that it became a pattern, and the myth of Sissyphus.
And then, one day, Mars didn’t stop. It kept right on going. Giving us the myth of the dying god, Santa coming down to the ‘children’ of men to give them a gift. Hercules, Heracles, Sussanoo, and many others are this god.
Ultimately, Christ would associate himself with Mars during and after his life, and Paul the apostle would seal that association on the Areopagus in Athens. Look up a picture of Mars. See the red robes? See the marks of the nails? See the wound in its side? Yeah. How would any ancient, earthbound observer have known any of that? The knew it because Mars was once much closer to the earth. And now it isn’t.
Just throwing this out there, but. Could Atlantis NOT have been from another planet, as in a UFO.
I don’t need any BS crap coming from anyone who thinks they know more than anyone else. This is a discussion after all.
Is the story Plato told of the Atlantis tale not part of a Socratic dialogue, where he asks to meet a few guys and tell his story of the ideal state?
Why should everyone take this as being historically accurate?
I’m only asking this as the the story is preceded by an account of Helios son tying horses to his father's chariot and then driving them through the sky and scorching the earth. (another UFO type analogy) I mean rather than exact reporting of past events, the Atlantis story describes an impossible set of circumstances at the time which were designed by Plato to represent how a miniature utopia failed and became a lesson to us defining the proper behavior of a state. Which at the time was Athens, and it you look at the spelling of Athens the first 2 letters are AT, then we could have [ land is] ie. Atlandis, (Atlantis) Again this is just MY theory that Atlantis just didn’t exist, or if it did it was alien technology as in a UFO and was here maybe for a few months and dissappeared.
Our oceans came from Tiamat.
Yes, it seems in my opinion that Plato's story, or was it Solon's story, picked up in Egypt that has a lot of truth in it.
However, we are so focused on one specific place, but in my opinion there could be more than one place in the World we can call remnants of Atlantis. Or probably, and of course, just an hypothesis, couldn't it be a high civilised civilization parallel with a far more primitive civilisation.?
The real Atlantis ?? Remnants too, could be the Eye of Africa, Guelb Dr Richat, near the small village of Ouadane in Mauritania, West Africa. (visiting Atlantis.com)
The destruction of those civilisations, due to Eart Crust displacement almost 12000 years ago as described by the late Charles Hapgood ? (Interesting new book; Deep History and the Ages of Man by Mark H Gaffney) The Black Sea Flood, probably happened the same time.
It is clear that We, our current Humanity is one of amnesia, as said by Immanuel Velikovsky. Furthermore We have the tendency to ignore, suppress, even destroy information, ideas and more when it doesn't fit in our "believe" or ideas. That's on a personal level and on an administrative, government level as well.
I saw Heinrich Schliemann mentioned, but there is a very interesting and convincing book of Iman Wilkens; Where Troy once Stood. ! And not in Turkey, but somewhere near, what's now is Cambridge in England. But that story is not well known. Amnesia ? It's not peer reviewed, so it doesn"t count !
Mount Sinai, where according to the Bible Moses got the 10 commandments. I visited the place, but while traveling, there is another story, that the real mount is Jebel el Laws and that's in Saudi Arabia not to far from the Red Sea. The area is fenced of. The Saudi's have already Mecca. They are not waiting for Christians too.
The "Atlantans", have they "tweaked" our DNA an 40000 years ago? And where did they came from and when ? Far further deep. In history. But how far ?
None of the theories are correct.
There has been much confusion about the location of Atlantis, simply because the geography of Eurasia has changed due to deglaciation since the last Ice Age, and because there was a cataclysmic flood across Eurasia possibly around 10,000 years ago.
While the cause of the flood remains a mystery, I believe this resulted in survivors migrating to the predynastic Nile Valley, ( and elsewhere). Hence the Egyptian knowledge of Atlantis which was passed on to Solan then Plato.
These two papers are of interest in this regard and provide physical evidence as strandlines and erosion features on a mud volcano to testify to a catastrophic flood:
Ref- The Ice Age Rise and Fall of the Ponto Caspian by Ronnie Gallagher in Academia.edu
Ref – Observations of Caspian strandlines, their use as highstand indicators with consideration for their implications with regard to regional geomorphology, paleodrainage, and biodiversity, by Ronnie Gallagher in Academia.edu
Ancient Origins researchers ought to focus their attention on the flooded Caucasus territories as the location of Atlantis. Reginald Fessenden went into this in great detail. Sir William Flinders Petrie, also commented on this in the article below. Unfortunately, both Fessenden and Petrie were unaware of the catastrophic flood, otherwise their sceptics might have listened more closely.
While the strandline evidence proves there was a flood, to an incredible 222m / 730 ft above mean sea level, this has yet to be dated. Dating can be done using optical stimulated luminescence (OSL) of sediments below two candidate mud volcanoes, - Boyuk Kanizadagh and Davilidagh. I suggest that any serious researchers into Atlantis might wish to encourage an OSL investigation to date the flood. This could advance the debate about the territories of Atlantis being the Cucasian isthmus.
Researchers should also investigate Fessenden’s work here: Ref, www.radiocom.net/Deluge/Deluge1-6.htm.
Note – Links do not seem to upload and create an error message.
An interesting observation is made with regard to Oceanus. Referring to Plato he states ‘For he makes the sun to rise out of Oceanus and to set in Oceanus….from the deep stream of gently-flowing Oceanus’. Here the Sea of Atlantis is connected by the Manych (Manytsch) strait. Plato also states that Atlantis is between the Pillars of Hercules which is between the Kerch Strait at the Sea of Azov, and the enterance to the Caspian Sea. Interestingly at an elevation of 26m asl the Caspian flows through a corridor to the Sea of Azov. This gateway or harbour at the edge of the swollen Caspian is today called Terekli Mehtab. On older maps and an echo of the past it is described as Stavka Terekli (Stave of Hercules] ). This can be read as a pillar of Hercules. This cannot be a coincidence and suggests the flooded territory around the Caucasus Mountain range including the Caspian, Black and Sea of Azov was the Sea of Atlantis where the sun rises and sets in the same body of water. The gently flowing Manych corridor has to be Oceanus. Note. The location of Terekli Mehteb today is 44° 9'42.51"N 45°52'26.33"E.
There are also many other comparators to support the Caucasus as Atlantis.
Here is what Petrie (the father of Egyptology) has to say on Fessenden’s Atlantis opinion.
Flinders Petrie
September 1924
NOTE
Flinders Petrie was one of the most famous Egyptologists of his time, and he was one of the founders of modern archaeological field methods. In this September 1924 book review, he embraced the strange ideas of Reginald Fessenden, a pioneering radio engineer and inventor, who had come to believe that he had found proof that Atlantis was located along the Black Sea and had been destroyed at the end of the Ice Age in Noah's Flood. In the 1950s, J. O. Kinnaman, one of the archaeologists who helped excavate Tutankhamun's tomb, claimed that Petrie had made an agreement with the Egyptian government to suppress the evidence he had found of Atlantis in Egypt. While that story was false but widely repeated in fringe circles, the text below represents proof of Petrie's actual, if slight, interest in Atlantis. This article first appeared in the journal Ancient Egypt in 1924, and a search of U.S. copyright renewals found no evidence that its copyright was renewed as required by U.S. law.
THE CAUCASIAN ATLANTIS AND EGYPT.
The tales about Atlantis have a perpetual fascination for those who love to speculate on the riddles of the past. The latest theory is that of Mr. Reginald Fessenden, which he has put forward in The Deluged Civilization of the Caucasian Isthmus, and with additions bearing more on Egypt in the Christian Science Monthly, 18th March, 1924. The writer is competent to handle the questions from a scientific point of view, and he has certainly stated some positions which are worth considering independently of his main proposition. It is desirable, therefore, to notice various parts of the theories separately, so as to see how much can be accepted.
There can be no doubt that the Caucasus had a larger place in ancient geography and beliefs than in modern thought. That region was the background of Greek myths—Prometheus, Herakles, Jason; Herodotus knew the general condition of it, and Strabo gives a detailed account of the geography and the tribes. It is not unreasonable, then, to consider if it may be referred to as the region of other half-mythical accounts.
In the legend of the Hesperides there are two opposite accounts confused. According to one source, Herakles advances to Mount Caucasus, kills the vulture which fed on Prometheus, and arrives at Mount Atlas among the Hyperboreans. Here is an entirely different localisation of the myth to that in the western ocean. Mr. Fessenden, after tabulating the various myths, follows the Asiatic clue as the earlier, and considers that the Greeks lost the original view owing to geographical changes; then the myth was transferred to lands which had later come into prominence in the West. He notes that Homer and Hesiod had no knowledge of Spain or the Atlantic, that the description of the ocean of Atlantis will not agree with the later Atlantic, and that there is no submerged area to be traced there belonging to traditional times.
This view that Mount Atlas was Asiatic brings us to the geological standpoint of an “Asiatic Mediterranean” of the early Pleistocene, stretching from the Arctic Ocean to include the Black Sea and the Caspian. This region would be all flooded by the last great submersion to 600-feet level. The connection of the Caspian with the Black Sea lasted much later, and would only require less than 50-feet rise of sea-level to renew their unity. A tradition of this seems shown when Strabo mentions that some persons still believed in a connection of the Caspian with the lake Maiotis (Sea of Azov), the northern branch of the Black Sea. Various legends of Herakles, Atlas, and the Pillars of Herakles, are all, then, taken as belonging to the Black Sea region, and having been later transferred to the West, when the Greeks were familiar with their colonial expansion in Sicily, Italy, Spain and France. The various traditions of the Deluge are next compared, from five different sources, and all refer to the Black Sea or lands adjacent. The nature of the catastrophe involves a sudden rise of sea-level, of amounts up to 125 feet. The conclusion is that a tidal wave in the Atlantis Sea north of the Black Sea caused a rush of water, which flooded all the shores of the Caucasus and destroyed a civilisation in that region. Such was the source of the legends of Atlantis.
An entirely separate course of the new theories is the proposed Egyptian connection with the Caucasus. Until this year anyone viewing such theories from the Egyptian side would have felt them to be outside of reasonable consideration. But a fundamental change has come over Egyptian archaeology with the discovery of the earliest civilisation yet known, which appears to be akin to the Solutrean. The remote district of Badari has now entered into archaeological literature, as the seat of the Badarian culture, of a high type in its pottery and ability to glaze, and well advanced in figure working. Moreover, this is clearly the basis of all the following prehistoric civilisation of Egypt; it forms part of the continuity of civilisation in that land. If—as appears—this is derived from the same stock as the Solutrean culture of Europe, it must have travelled down from the Caucasus region, for the Solutrean work passed north of the Black Sea into Austria, Poland and northern France, without developing on the Mediterranean. Hence the groundwork of Egyptian civilisation—planted on an African people— is from the Caucasus; with it, presumably, arrived a strong stock of the people who brought it, as a mere trade influence could not be supposed to travel so far with such fundamental effect on most arts.
This entirely new outlook finds strong support in ancient statements. Herodotus insists on the resemblances between the Colchians—south of the Caucasus—and the Egyptians in appearance, in customs, and in products. The Colchians are said to be dark by Herodotus, Pindar and Euripides, and Homer and Hesiod speak of Ethiopians in Colchis. Unhappily no research is possible in that region of Georgia, as it is now tortured politically by the Soviet.
The earliest civilisation of Egypt being thus linked to the Caucasus region, we cannot disregard some resemblances of names which Mr. Fessenden brings forward, and which may be further extended. In the Book of the Dead the sun is said to rise over the mountain of Bakhau, and the modern Baku is at the eastern extremity of the Caucasus. The sun is said to set in Tamanu, and the Taman peninsula is at the western end of the Caucasus. Close by that is the lake of Maiotis (Sea of Azov), and the lake Maoti was close to Tamanu in the west (ch. xvii). The gate to the Eastern horizon is called Haukar (Nebseni, ch. xvii), “behind the head of Kar,” and from Colchis the pass to the east is behind the head of the river Kur (Gr. Kuros), which descends to the Caspian, past Tiflis.
Such resemblances of names are sufficiently consistent in their position and in their relation to the probable source of the Egyptians to require full consideration, although we know how easily verbal resemblances may mislead. Any such names brought into Egypt with the first civilisation would necessarily undergo localisation in new positions in and around Egypt. In the Caucasus region the natural fires of petroleum springs, both in the west at Batoum, in Colchis, and in the east at Baku on the Caspian, are claimed as the original idea of the lakes of fire in the Book of the Dead. Further, these fiery streams and marshes are taken to be the origin of the Greek Pyri-phlegethon; the rich valley of the river Alazon is taken to be the origin of Elysion, and Erebus is the dark defile of the pass through the Caucasus. The Odyssey contains a sort of guidebook to the petroleum region, and many other connections are claimed. Whatever may be rejected, there seems to be good ground for seriously considering what has been noted above and seeing how far legends and traditions can be substantiated by research.
FLINDERS PETRIE.
Readers should also familiarise themselves with Petrie’s paper on the Origins of the Book of the Dead reported in my Academia.edu page.
Ronnie Gallagher
I think none of the theories are correct.
There has been much confusion about the location of Atlantis, simply because the geography of Eurasia has changed due to deglaciation since the last Ice Age, and because there was a cataclysmic flood across Eurasia possibly around 10,000 years ago.
While the cause of the flood remains a mystery, I believe this resulted in survivors migrating to the predynastic Nile Valley, ( and elsewhere). Hence the Egyptian knowledge of Atlantis which was passed on to Solan then Plato.
These two papers are of interest in this regard and provide physical evidence as strandlines and erosion features on a mud volcano to testify to a catastrophic flood:
Ref- The Ice Age Rise and Fall of the Ponto Caspian by Ronnie Gallagher in Academia.edu
Ref – Observations of Caspian strandlines, their use as highstand indicators with consideration for their implications with regard to regional geomorphology, paleodrainage, and biodiversity, by Ronnie Gallagher in Academia.edu
Ancient Origins researchers ought to focus their attention on the flooded Caucasus territories as the location of Atlantis. Reginald Fessenden went into this in great detail. Sir William Flinders Petrie, also commented on this in the article below. Unfortunately, both Fessenden and Petrie were unaware of the catastrophic flood, otherwise their sceptics might have listened more closely.
While the strandline evidence proves there was a flood, to an incredible 222m / 730 ft above mean sea level, this has yet to be dated. Dating can be done using optical stimulated luminescence (OSL) of sediments below two candidate mud volcanoes, - Boyuk Kanizadagh and Davilidagh. I suggest that any serious researchers into Atlantis might wish to encourage an OSL investigation to date the flood. This could advance the debate about the territories of Atlantis being the Cucasian isthmus.
Researchers should also investigate Fessenden’s work here: Ref, www.radiocom.net/Deluge/Deluge1-6.htm.
Note – Links do not seem to upload and create an error message.
An interesting observation is made with regard to Oceanus. Referring to Plato he states ‘For he makes the sun to rise out of Oceanus and to set in Oceanus….from the deep stream of gently-flowing Oceanus’. Here the Sea of Atlantis is connected by the Manych (Manytsch) strait. Plato also states that Atlantis is between the Pillars of Hercules which is between the Kerch Strait at the Sea of Azov, and the enterance to the Caspian Sea. Interestingly at an elevation of 26m asl the Caspian flows through a corridor to the Sea of Azov. This gateway or harbour at the edge of the swollen Caspian is today called Terekli Mehtab. On older maps and an echo of the past it is described as Stavka Terekli (Stave of Hercules] ). This can be read as a pillar of Hercules. This cannot be a coincidence and suggests the flooded territory around the Caucasus Mountain range including the Caspian, Black and Sea of Azov was the Sea of Atlantis where the sun rises and sets in the same body of water. The gently flowing Manych corridor has to be Oceanus. Note. The location of Terekli Mehteb today is 44° 9'42.51"N 45°52'26.33"E.
There are also many other comparators to support the Caucasus as Atlantis.
Here is what Petrie (the father of Egyptology) has to say on Fessenden’s Atlantis opinion.
Flinders Petrie
September 1924
NOTE
Flinders Petrie was one of the most famous Egyptologists of his time, and he was one of the founders of modern archaeological field methods. In this September 1924 book review, he embraced the strange ideas of Reginald Fessenden, a pioneering radio engineer and inventor, who had come to believe that he had found proof that Atlantis was located along the Black Sea and had been destroyed at the end of the Ice Age in Noah's Flood. In the 1950s, J. O. Kinnaman, one of the archaeologists who helped excavate Tutankhamun's tomb, claimed that Petrie had made an agreement with the Egyptian government to suppress the evidence he had found of Atlantis in Egypt. While that story was false but widely repeated in fringe circles, the text below represents proof of Petrie's actual, if slight, interest in Atlantis. This article first appeared in the journal Ancient Egypt in 1924, and a search of U.S. copyright renewals found no evidence that its copyright was renewed as required by U.S. law.
THE CAUCASIAN ATLANTIS AND EGYPT.
The tales about Atlantis have a perpetual fascination for those who love to speculate on the riddles of the past. The latest theory is that of Mr. Reginald Fessenden, which he has put forward in The Deluged Civilization of the Caucasian Isthmus, and with additions bearing more on Egypt in the Christian Science Monthly, 18th March, 1924. The writer is competent to handle the questions from a scientific point of view, and he has certainly stated some positions which are worth considering independently of his main proposition. It is desirable, therefore, to notice various parts of the theories separately, so as to see how much can be accepted.
There can be no doubt that the Caucasus had a larger place in ancient geography and beliefs than in modern thought. That region was the background of Greek myths—Prometheus, Herakles, Jason; Herodotus knew the general condition of it, and Strabo gives a detailed account of the geography and the tribes. It is not unreasonable, then, to consider if it may be referred to as the region of other half-mythical accounts.
In the legend of the Hesperides there are two opposite accounts confused. According to one source, Herakles advances to Mount Caucasus, kills the vulture which fed on Prometheus, and arrives at Mount Atlas among the Hyperboreans. Here is an entirely different localisation of the myth to that in the western ocean. Mr. Fessenden, after tabulating the various myths, follows the Asiatic clue as the earlier, and considers that the Greeks lost the original view owing to geographical changes; then the myth was transferred to lands which had later come into prominence in the West. He notes that Homer and Hesiod had no knowledge of Spain or the Atlantic, that the description of the ocean of Atlantis will not agree with the later Atlantic, and that there is no submerged area to be traced there belonging to traditional times.
This view that Mount Atlas was Asiatic brings us to the geological standpoint of an “Asiatic Mediterranean” of the early Pleistocene, stretching from the Arctic Ocean to include the Black Sea and the Caspian. This region would be all flooded by the last great submersion to 600-feet level. The connection of the Caspian with the Black Sea lasted much later, and would only require less than 50-feet rise of sea-level to renew their unity. A tradition of this seems shown when Strabo mentions that some persons still believed in a connection of the Caspian with the lake Maiotis (Sea of Azov), the northern branch of the Black Sea. Various legends of Herakles, Atlas, and the Pillars of Herakles, are all, then, taken as belonging to the Black Sea region, and having been later transferred to the West, when the Greeks were familiar with their colonial expansion in Sicily, Italy, Spain and France. The various traditions of the Deluge are next compared, from five different sources, and all refer to the Black Sea or lands adjacent. The nature of the catastrophe involves a sudden rise of sea-level, of amounts up to 125 feet. The conclusion is that a tidal wave in the Atlantis Sea north of the Black Sea caused a rush of water, which flooded all the shores of the Caucasus and destroyed a civilisation in that region. Such was the source of the legends of Atlantis.
An entirely separate course of the new theories is the proposed Egyptian connection with the Caucasus. Until this year anyone viewing such theories from the Egyptian side would have felt them to be outside of reasonable consideration. But a fundamental change has come over Egyptian archaeology with the discovery of the earliest civilisation yet known, which appears to be akin to the Solutrean. The remote district of Badari has now entered into archaeological literature, as the seat of the Badarian culture, of a high type in its pottery and ability to glaze, and well advanced in figure working. Moreover, this is clearly the basis of all the following prehistoric civilisation of Egypt; it forms part of the continuity of civilisation in that land. If—as appears—this is derived from the same stock as the Solutrean culture of Europe, it must have travelled down from the Caucasus region, for the Solutrean work passed north of the Black Sea into Austria, Poland and northern France, without developing on the Mediterranean. Hence the groundwork of Egyptian civilisation—planted on an African people— is from the Caucasus; with it, presumably, arrived a strong stock of the people who brought it, as a mere trade influence could not be supposed to travel so far with such fundamental effect on most arts.
This entirely new outlook finds strong support in ancient statements. Herodotus insists on the resemblances between the Colchians—south of the Caucasus—and the Egyptians in appearance, in customs, and in products. The Colchians are said to be dark by Herodotus, Pindar and Euripides, and Homer and Hesiod speak of Ethiopians in Colchis. Unhappily no research is possible in that region of Georgia, as it is now tortured politically by the Soviet.
The earliest civilisation of Egypt being thus linked to the Caucasus region, we cannot disregard some resemblances of names which Mr. Fessenden brings forward, and which may be further extended. In the Book of the Dead the sun is said to rise over the mountain of Bakhau, and the modern Baku is at the eastern extremity of the Caucasus. The sun is said to set in Tamanu, and the Taman peninsula is at the western end of the Caucasus. Close by that is the lake of Maiotis (Sea of Azov), and the lake Maoti was close to Tamanu in the west (ch. xvii). The gate to the Eastern horizon is called Haukar (Nebseni, ch. xvii), “behind the head of Kar,” and from Colchis the pass to the east is behind the head of the river Kur (Gr. Kuros), which descends to the Caspian, past Tiflis.
Such resemblances of names are sufficiently consistent in their position and in their relation to the probable source of the Egyptians to require full consideration, although we know how easily verbal resemblances may mislead. Any such names brought into Egypt with the first civilisation would necessarily undergo localisation in new positions in and around Egypt. In the Caucasus region the natural fires of petroleum springs, both in the west at Batoum, in Colchis, and in the east at Baku on the Caspian, are claimed as the original idea of the lakes of fire in the Book of the Dead. Further, these fiery streams and marshes are taken to be the origin of the Greek Pyri-phlegethon; the rich valley of the river Alazon is taken to be the origin of Elysion, and Erebus is the dark defile of the pass through the Caucasus. The Odyssey contains a sort of guidebook to the petroleum region, and many other connections are claimed. Whatever may be rejected, there seems to be good ground for seriously considering what has been noted above and seeing how far legends and traditions can be substantiated by research.
FLINDERS PETRIE.
Readers should also familiarise themselves with Petrie’s paper on the Origins of the Book of the Dead reported in my Academia.edu page.
Ronnie Gallagher
With respect, the Uyghur child in the picture is a girl, not a boy.
https://tr.pinterest.com/pin/461759768028092344/
The Eye of the Sahara is south and east of Gibraltar in Mauritania – negated. Such Jupiter or Saturn crappola as no one lives anywhere within the extreme geomagnetism and atmospheric pressurof those planets – negated. Such storylines of celestial events related to terrestrial events is beyond sanity – negated.
It is readily proven that when you reverse the paleomagnetic lines of the mid-ocean ridges, it DEMANDS that the planet was smaller in volume (not necessarily in mass). The planet’s core is not some iron and nickel core. It is a true piece of (super)nova core fragment that then accreted its own planetary asthenosphere and lithosphere. Just reducing the volume (and size) of the earth does not have to correlate to a planetary mass. With such a massive gravity core, that is then covered by a literal plasmatic uranium and radioactive actinides and lanthanides sphere, surrounded by plasmatic lead sphere, THEN surround that with your iron and nickel ferromagnetic SPHERE, etc asthenosphere and lithosphere, the planet CAN GROW and EXPAND with the same mass intact.
As such, the lithosphere has been the lithosphere and in context, is not part of the expanding asthenosphere. This planet has been far more small with the same mass of a plasmatic core and spheres in the paleo-past. Such expansion with a rock-solid lithosphere, even with shattered plate tectonics and any subsiding zones, the lithosphere remains the lithosphere. The smaller planet, with less oceans, and greater atmospheric waters (biblical “upper heavens”) would be these portions of waters NOT on the lithosphere and asthenosphere. Only after the greatest of a super solar or cosmic CME impacting the earth, and frying documented parts of the equatorial and temperate zones ancient contructions of vitrified stones in Egypt, Peru, Anatolia, … in the 12,000s/10,000s BCE, such massive volumes of waters were evaporated and condensed in the upper atmosphere. Only with the capture of the Moon, could any such upper atmospheres be disrupted and fall entirely onto the planet, filling up any and all regions of ocanic asthenospheric depths.
Atlantis can only be in the Thera/European theater or that of Central America, supported by biblical statements, ancient historians, and mythistory and legends that were stated by literal comments in their documents.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asgard#/media/File:Asgard_and_Bifrost_in_i...
http://www.endthedrugwartoday.com/images/1-naram-sin.jpg
Clearly, the islands of the Azores are the mountain tops of Atlantis. The ocean floor dropped about 5000’ in 9600 BCE, as Lake Agassiz dumped its meltwaters into the Caribbean. The New England seamounts were dropped down at the same time, about the same amount. They were the islands that Plato said were the way to the main continent (America) beyond.
The Atlanteans migrated to Europe in 5 great waves: Aurignacian, Gravettian, Solutrean, Magdalenian and Azilian. They are the Cro-Magnon tribes whose origin has never been investigated by archaeology.
Atlantis at the Azores was close to the Great Meteor Seamount, an active volcanic system that has left a trail of seamounts and eruptions all the way to Hudson Bay. Every time that Great Meteor rumbled and shook, another Cro-Magnon tribe left Atlantis for the mainland. On average, the seismic activities happened about every 5500 years, accounting for the regular timescale of Cro-Magnon immigration.
https://www.ancient-origins.net/sites/default/files/Artistic-depiction-o...
https://c8.alamy.com/comp/A8G5M2/aztec-stone-of-the-sun-calendar-maya-mayan-mexico-museum-A8G5M2.jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtic_cross#/media/File:Sant_Saeran_Llany...
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b0/Dharmachakra_on_Pill...
Ridiculous!
Yes, you are essentially correct, but I’d lose that Lemuria stuff, especially because, while it was once, briefly, a synonym of Atlantis (and for no good reason), it became the mythical home of the lemurs. Time to toss that term.
You meant the utterly fictional Naacal people?
This is the kind of thing that gets us laughed at by even the most casual of observers. Don’t you guys have any grasp on reality at all?
You fail to understand the concept of reality. If things as patently absurd as subduction zones and land-masses sliding around on an asthenosphere are acceptable ‘science’ (not that either can be tested or even observed), then so is the expanding earth hypothesis. And so, for that matter, is the geode earth.
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