Since we can’t date rock, these tunnels could have orginated thousands of years ago. People could have kept adding to them. And even in recent times, people could have added to them. Very hard to tell if you can only base the conclusions on rock.
We find all sorts of tunnels and massive underground systems in every part of the world.
Why did humans spend so much effort digging under the ground? I think people should think about the question. They didn’t do it for the fun of it. Would you spend generations burrowing holes today? They didn’t do it as protection against people, because militaries have the slogan, “A cave is a grave.”
Even Josephus Flavius said this, 2,000 years ago. Josephus said the Israelites were the Hyksos, and so the Israelite Exodus was the Hyksos Exodus, in 1570 BC.
But Velikovsky was wrong about Tuthmoses III. There is not correlation between those monarchs. But if you compare Pharaoh Psusennes and King David, the two dynasties are identical. And the date of these two monarchs is exactly the same.
[A little village surrounding the gigantic Moirah platform...?]
Yes - well you an I know that the platform was there long before the Romans. However, the big platform surrounded by a small city does have a precedent, because the great platform at Baalbek is exactly the same.
I remember reading a resent article on this subject, maybe here or at Mysterious Universe, that stated when Däniken was pressed about this story he admitted that he had not actually visited the cave or seen the metal books. He simply "embellished" the stories he was told. It was more a fictional account as opposed to fact.
Däniken is simply a con man who was out to sell books.
Reading tis article makes me lament the tragedy of Velikovsky's suppression by the establishment. As early as 1953 Velikovsky explained why archaeologists could find no evidence for the great events and persons recorded in the Old Testament: They were looking in the wrong strata. So, the Exodus, for example, was recorded by the Egyptians, but their record of the event, the Papyus Ipuwer, was dated to the start of the Middle Bronze Age, whereas the Exodus is normally dated to the Late Bronze Age. In the same way, Solomon's luxurious Jerusalem was the opulent and mighty Middle Bronze Age city - the city conquered and ruined by Thutmose III, not the miserable Iron Age village normally associated with Solomon.
In his "Ages in Chaos" Velkovsky explained in great detail howHatshepsut, who went on a great expedition to the "Divine Land", was the Queen of Sheba, who visited Solomon in the "Holy Land". Hatshepsut's successor, Thutmose III, was the "pharaoh Shishak", who plundered the temple in Jerualem (Al Kuds, the "Holy Place"). Thutmose conquered the land of Palestine in his first year and records the plunder he took from the great temple of the King of Kadesh (Kadesh and Kuds both being names for Jerusalem.
As long asVelikovsky is rejected by the establishment, no one will ever make sense of the archaeology.
Hi Lewis and thank you for your clarifications. Please note that I (nor I'm sure Gill) are calling your qualifications or experience into question. However, you are expounding theories. Not facts. Even within your clarification you use the term "Celtic artifacts" (sic) without blushing. Celtic artefacts can only be dated with precision from the mid 4th century BC as you must know. Any denoting of artefacts of any kind from prior to that date is pure speculation and underpins modern holistic use of the term "Celtic" for any wishy washy, swirly twirly ancient artform, driving an unattached quasi hippy/Druidic cultural that is by turns risible and incredibly annoying. In fact DNA analysis finds little in common between the peoples of Austria/Switzerland and those of, for example, Ireland. Ireland is often used as an example of a "Celtic" country. However the Celtic nature of Ireland from 150 BC onwards in purely cultural (art and language) and denotes no actual large scale presence of "Celts". To say otherwise is akin to saying that the French speaking aristocracy of Russian in the late 18th and early 19th Centuries wee French. they were anything but! They spoke French and aped French manners, style, food and dress because they admired French culture.
Indeed, the search for depth of meaning in the 3 contiguous swirls on the front kerbstone guarding the entrance to Newgrange has been interpreted quite simply by many local Irish archaeologists as representing the intertwined nature of the three main Megalithic passage tombs of Bru na Boinne - the Bend of the Boyne.
Once your theory has been fleshed out, hypothesised and is supported by facts I'll gladly eat my words. Until then however, the theories that you propound should come with a strong health warning. By the way, I've an MA and B.Sc. myself and am one of those local archaeologists.
Very interesting work, Ralph. Looking forward to part 2.
Incidentally, I have to wonder about the description of Jerusalem as a mere village. A little village surrounding the gigantic Moirah platform...?
Oh wait, I forgot...the Romans built that platform. So it wasn't there yet. Except for the part that once held Solomon's Temple....which is most of it. And neither Solomon nor David built that part; the texts indicate it was already there when they got there. So....
...yeah. A little village surrounding the huge platform.
[could the egyptian name (seba) has something to do with his wife Bathseba?]
Ha, yes, you have it in one.
David was called Sheba meaning Star. Bathsheba means Daughter of Sheba, and she was David's daughter, if you plough through the genealogy. And when she married David, she became the Malkha Sheba, or the Queen of Sheba.
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[How could you leave us hanging like that ..what proof ?]
I too am in agreement with much of what you say. Nothing in my earlier comments was meant to imply that I thought you were ignorant. T'was pontification for pontification's sake, old boy, nothing more.
All I would say is that I think I'm a bit more cynical than you are. You're asking "can we not do better?" My answer to that is yes, we can do better, of course. That seems obvious to me.
I think a more pertinent question, therefore, is will we do better? And to that, my answer is, not very likely. You're talking about conscious evolution there, and I'm not entirely sold on the unconscious kind yet.
But still...it would be nice to be able, once and for all, to decide "we ain't gonna study war no more" and turn our swords into plows, etc., but I just don't think that day will ever come. Not for humanity as it exists here in the physical universe, anyway. A big part of the reason for that is because, as we discussed earlier, the nature of life here is competition and consumption. It sucks, but them's the rules.
The other part of the reason is, there would be no way to know for sure that every human had truly rescinded violence forever. In fact, it seems almost a certainty that there would be those that didn't. All the rest of us, having given up violence for good, would thus basically be sheep for the slaughter.
So let me shift the discussion a bit by asking this: why focus on "peace" as the ultimate goal? What about "freedom"? Personally, I value freedom much more than peace...and often the two are mutually exclusive. Because tyranny never sleeps.
By the way, I wanted to address the issue of my chosen alias, "Tsurugi". Yes, it is often translated as "sword", but that is not the reason I chose it, I promise. Like most here, I am fascinated by mysteries and ancient myths and strange artifacts, and I named myself after one of my favorites. Google Kusanagi no Tsurugi if you're interested.
how could you leave us hanging like that ..what proof ? if any this is written and where ? ...i have a few people i need to discuss this with ...as this sounds so logical /some what / what about the story of Moses than we know he was in a basket sent to the Egyptian pharaohs
Moses, first appear at the beginning of the Hellenistic period, from 323 BCE to about 146 BCE
son of Amram grand father Kohath great grand father Levis.. and great great grandson of Jacob and Leah ..great.great great grandson son of Abraham and Sarah ...for king solomon to be a pharo these names would also be in play ....moses and david share brother ancestors with levis and Judah....oo and the big one for me would be abraham that would need to show some where .....but i don't think so!!!
Will be going for a holiday to Greece at the end of the month. Had already planned on going to see the Parthenon and reading this article has inspired me even more to do so! Would like to read more about it!
interesting article. could the second part of his eventually egypt name (seba) has something to do with his wife Bathseba? also written as bat scheva, scheva means wealth or vow in hebrew as far as wikipedia knows. what was the exact meaning of seba in egypt?
Quote - "Hey Jack, I appreciate the thoughtful response. Kind of a rarity these days" Of course Don. I always have the same respect as I am given. A flaw I do battle with is being sarcastic with people who attack me, or insult etc. But I am working on it! lol!
Quote - "I will definitely do my own research as I am not one to take the given narrative." That's the only way you'll ever be truly satisfied with the answers you discover.
Quote - "I like your comparison with Caesar, interesting" I found a site which compares several ancient sources compared to the Bible https://carm.org/manuscript-evidence
Quote - "I do have a couple of personal squabbles... For one, who is right? Catholics? Baptists? Methodists? Orthodox? Lutheran? Presbyterian? Evangelicals? Jews? Mormons?" Good question, and I get this one a lot. OK, as for the many denominations - I don't refer to myself in relation to any denomination. I am a Christian, and I have learned through many years and lots of research that the King James Version is the one Bible that I trust. It is virtually identical to the dead Sea Scrolls, as well as many of the over 28,000 other ancient, early Biblical manuscripts.
As for the Mormons, or Jehovah's Witnesses - it doesn't take long to read through their heretical books and you'll discover many serious problems, same with the Koran. read Revelation 22:19 - "And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."
The Holy Bible was circulated very shortly after the actual events described within. There were many people alive when the books were written, and circulated who were eyewitnesses to the actual events, and you can search until you are blue in the face, and you will NOT find any sources saying "Hey, I was there and this is not what happened" etc.
The heretical books were put together hundreds, or over a thousand years after the fact, which are very seriously against the Revelation 22 warning. It's very important whenever we're searching for information to research as many sources as you can.
So, to answer your question, I have personally found the Catholic church to be less than Godly. Now to be perfectly clear - I am NOT referring to the parishioners. The Catholic church blatantly disobey many of the warnings from scriptures. They have all kinds of "idols" which people bend in front of and pray to. They kiss the idols. Etc.
Also, the scriptures clearly warn us to NEVER refer to any man as "Father" in relation to Father God - what do we call every Catholic priest? We do NOT need a human to intercess on our behalf to God. We are taught by Jesus Christ to pray DIRECTLY to God "Our Father, whoa rt in Heaven..."
We are warned about praying to any human being - and yet the Catholic church are constantly praying to Mary. These examples go on and on. I am speaking from direct experience because I belonged to that church for many years.
The depravity goes very deep and you can do a Google search to research for yourself. Quote - "Just as long as the word Jesus is in your prayers, your good"? Hell no! Read Matthew 7:21-23 - 21"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity".
Quote - "What about good Buddhists or Muslims who believe in their heart of hearts their savior (or lack thereof) is the true God/Path? They believe just as strongly as you do." OK, another really good question brother. And again, I don't want to sound like a broken record, but the truth is not subjective. A thing is either true, or it is not true. The Koran was written about 500 years after the Gospels.
If you read in the Koran sura 615 - it says the Christians had the real word of "allah" And so you would ask a Muslim why do you reject the Bible when your own Koran says it is the true word of God, right? They will tell you because the Bible has been corrupted. Then ask them why does sura 615 say the words of "allah" cannot be corrupted? Many Muslims have come to Jesus Christ because of those two verses in the Koran alone. Because they understand the Koran legitimes the Holy Bible but the Holy Bible exposes the Koran, and all other so called "godly" books as frauds.
Jesus Christ told us the road to destruction is wide, but the road to salvation is narrow. Why? Because there is just one way to God, and many ways, such as placing your faith in Buddha or Allah etc. John 14:5 - "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."
Quote - "My best friend is probably the most Christ-like person i have ever met, yet he is a devout Buddhist and will never accept Jesus, just like you will never follow Buddha." Did Buddha claim to be God? Did he say you can get to Heaven through believing in him? Buddha was a man, and we really don't know much about him because the earliest manuscripts about him were almost 1,000 years after he died.
Jesus Christ died, and three days later He was resurrected, and was seen by 500 people at the same time. There are no examples of anyone saying it was all a lie, I was there! However, His enemies actually provided some of the most powerful evidence for him because they corroborate He did these miraculous things, including His death and resurrection, but instead of saying it was all a lie, which they would have loved to have done, they simply ascribed His abilities to the devil. Powerful hostile corroboration.
Quote - "How do you reconcile that or those folks who died, never hearing of Christ, let alone accepting him"? The reason anyone goes to hell is because they rejected Jesus Christ. How can you reject Jesus Christ if you never heard of Him right? God will judge any such people according to their hearts.
Quote - "I also take huge issue with the idea that all sin is equal. Pardon my language, but Bullshit if raping or torturing an innocent child is the same as saying Goddamnit." OK, so when the scriptures tell us all sins are equal to God - that doesn't mean child molestation and lying are the same level. It means that anyone with unrepentant sin cannot enter Heaven. Think of sin as a communicable disease. If a diseased person gets into Heaven, he/she will very quickly infect everyone and destroy Heaven. OK?
Many people who hated God, or did not believe in God have died and had very real horrific experiences where they swear they were very much alive, and found themselves in Hell. These testimonies are shocking in their details, because people who have never heard about anyone else having the same experience, have extremely similar experiences, seeing very similar things.
One of the shared experience details they describe are different level of torment in Hell, depending on what the life sin was. Child molesters and scamming ministers were very brutally suffering.
I'll post a link from a dear friend of mine who hated God before he found himself in the pit. Every one of these God haters and deniers came back instant converts.
People will say "well why do Muslims see Muhammad" why do other people see what they believe in? They don't. I haven't seen a single testimony where anyone saw anything other than Hell, and or Jesus Christ. They ALL became very faithful Christians, not Buddhists, or Islamists.
Quote - "I don't want to meet the God who made those rules. Lastly, I was raised in a God fearing family and tried really hard to speak to the Big Man to no avail. I personally can't just say words like, "I accept Jesus" unless I TRULY believe it, without a doubt, otherwise Im lying to myself and God. Maybe I'll have a revelation like you did, until then, I have to say Im agnostic, I don't know what the hell to believe." Brother, I feel for you I honestly do, because I was you many years ago. The thing is we cannot all have those kind of experiences. God gave us free choice to accept or deny Him, and so if He was to reveal Himself to everyone, that would destroy free choice. God did promise us that He would give us more than enough evidence to prove who He is. And there is lots and lots of amazing, awesome evidence out there brother, now go get it!
Here is my friend ,y brother Mario’s Hell testimony
If I can help, please visit my site and send me an e-mail. I will help you anytime brother, and anything I can do, I will. Take care brother. Jack www.theliteralbible.com
I appreciate the thoughtful response. Kind of a rarity these days. I will definitely do my own research as I am not one to take the given narrative. I like your comparison with Caesar, interesting. I do have a couple of personal squabbles... For one, who is right? Catholics? Baptists? Methodists? Orthodox? Lutheran? Presbyterian? Evangelicals? Jews? Mormons? Just as long as the word Jesus is in your prayers, your good? What about good Buddhists or Muslims who believe in their heart of hearts their savior (or lack thereof) is the true God/Path? They believe just as strongly as you do. My best friend is probably the most Christ-like person i have ever met, yet he is a devout Buddhist and will never accept Jesus, just like you will never follow Buddha. How do you reconcile that or those folks who died, never hearing of Christ, let alone accepting him? I also take huge issue with the idea that all sin is equal. Pardon my language, but Bullshit if raping or torturing an innocent child is the same as saying Goddamnit. I don't want to meet the God who made those rules. Lastly, I was raised in a God fearing family and tried really hard to speak to the Big Man to no avail. I personally can't just say words like, "I accept Jesus" unless I TRULY believe it, without a doubt, otherwise Im lying to myself and God. Maybe I'll have a revelation like you did, until then, I have to say Im agnostic, I don't know what the hell to believe.
Quote - "If elephants walked on their back legs maybe you'd have a point." I'm not sure how walking on back legs could be relevant. T-Rex then? Quote - "I'm not an evolutionist necessarily, assuming makes an ass out of you and me," Really? I wish that saying could be retired. Hey, I get it, I really do because I was there also. The thing I decided to do was to make an honest effort in researching things for myself. There are just too many agendas for me to accept the "truth" from others. Once I began to look into "evidence" to corroborate the scriptures, I very quickly discovered God has left an embarrassment of proof for us, and that is why He said there will be no excuses at judgement day. Some of the most "unbelievable" Biblical accounts have very, very powerful, and observational proof to corroborate these are the truth, and not just made up, or plagiarized from other ancient muth. Quite often someone will post how the Bible is just a bunch of stolen ancient Egyptian myth.
Well, it doesn't take very long to compare these so called stolen myths to the actual scriptures which are claimed to have been copied. There is absolutely, 100% no doubt that these ancient myths have nothing in common with the scriptures. I did the research for myself. You will see all kinds of specific scriptures posted, with the so called "proof" from the ancient myth, and on the face it does appear to be devastating. Trust me, if I found any real proof that the scriptures were plagiarized, I would be converted back to the "religion" I was practicing prior to becoming a born again Christian. What was my previous religion? Pure heathen. lol! I was lead singer and writer for three decades and yes I did live that lifestyle. I did not want to give it up, but the evidence for scriptures was so powerful, that I would be forced to suppress it so I could continue my drugging, drinking, and womanizing. I loved all that, and yet I did give it all up. If you need evidence, it's at your fingertips. Do a Google search on the following Exodus proof - giant skeletons discovered in North America, and the world - Elongated skulls - genetic testing on elongated skulls. Now if you are honestly seeking THE truth, as opposed to A truth, you will have very little doubt that the entire Bible is accurate, unadulterated, and true in every detail. Those who just cannot stand the thought of an interfering God will simply stamp HOAX on everything, regardless of the fact that there is real OBSERVATIONAL evidence, as opposed to evolution, which is 100% based on faith, and philosophy. A typical example is the complete lack of even one single real, series of graduated, transitional fossils. You will be called stupid, dumb, ignorant etc, etc, there will be all kinds of claims of these missing G.T.F. and yet whenever I ask for proof of these G.T.F. all I have EVER got back was "well, you can't directly observe it, because it happens way too slow" and so here's another way of articulating that faith - "hey kids, long ago and far away..." Quote - "I KNOW there is a higher power, something bigger than us all, but I require proof that other people can verify. Not stories... Though they are very entertaining. Honestly, I hope your right, but hope isn't proof. Until that time, I guess Im just a blind man who believes the propaganda." Believing in a "higher power" is not good enough for Jesus Christ brother. Satan, and Lucifer worshipers also believe in a "higher power" and they will not be entering Heaven. Being a "good" person and doing all kinds of charity work will not get you forgiven and will not get you into Heaven either. The scriptures say all our good work is like filthy rags to God. Brother, I would urge you to take a closer look for yourself, because the Holy Bible is God's word. Now I get the typical evolution/atheist rebuttals, where they state the Bible has been changed, and is full of mistakes, and yet again, whenever I ask for specifics, there's nothing but the sounds of crickets chirping away. The Dead Sea Scrolls corroborate the precise accuracy of the Holy Bible. There is more and more real, observational evidence for scriptures almost on a monthly basis. The Holy Bible is hands down vastly superior in the tiny gap from the actual events, and the oldest copies. Some of the Acts have been dated to a couple of years, and closer! There are over 28,000 ancient Bible copies, in several different languages, and these have all been used to cross reference the Bible, and the end result was that the Holy Bible we have today, is virtually identical to the oldest, ancient manuscripts. Compare that with any other "famous" person from history, such as Julius Caesar. The oldest copy of his biography is 900 years after the fact, and yet no one squawks about Caesar being a mythological character invented by the Romans. Check out any other ancient manuscripts and you'll discover the same issues. Anyway, if I can be of any assistance for you in your search for The truth, please feel free to send me an e-mail and I will get back to you within 24 hours maximum. You can contact me through my site, which I'll link at the bottom of this post. If you want to check out more proof, you can visit my site, which is almost complete after I did a complete rebuild. Still, you can find a lot of very good, solid evidence there. Take care brother. Jack www.theliteralbible.com
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Since we can’t date rock, these tunnels could have orginated thousands of years ago. People could have kept adding to them. And even in recent times, people could have added to them. Very hard to tell if you can only base the conclusions on rock.
We find all sorts of tunnels and massive underground systems in every part of the world.
Why did humans spend so much effort digging under the ground? I think people should think about the question. They didn’t do it for the fun of it. Would you spend generations burrowing holes today? They didn’t do it as protection against people, because militaries have the slogan, “A cave is a grave.”
[They were looking in the wrong strata.]
Even Josephus Flavius said this, 2,000 years ago. Josephus said the Israelites were the Hyksos, and so the Israelite Exodus was the Hyksos Exodus, in 1570 BC.
But Velikovsky was wrong about Tuthmoses III. There is not correlation between those monarchs. But if you compare Pharaoh Psusennes and King David, the two dynasties are identical. And the date of these two monarchs is exactly the same.
R
[A little village surrounding the gigantic Moirah platform...?]
Yes - well you an I know that the platform was there long before the Romans. However, the big platform surrounded by a small city does have a precedent, because the great platform at Baalbek is exactly the same.
R
I remember reading a resent article on this subject, maybe here or at Mysterious Universe, that stated when Däniken was pressed about this story he admitted that he had not actually visited the cave or seen the metal books. He simply "embellished" the stories he was told. It was more a fictional account as opposed to fact.
Däniken is simply a con man who was out to sell books.
Great article! It’s a new way of thinking all right. But is certainly frees up the mind. You should include the Bosnian pyramid as well.
Reading tis article makes me lament the tragedy of Velikovsky's suppression by the establishment. As early as 1953 Velikovsky explained why archaeologists could find no evidence for the great events and persons recorded in the Old Testament: They were looking in the wrong strata. So, the Exodus, for example, was recorded by the Egyptians, but their record of the event, the Papyus Ipuwer, was dated to the start of the Middle Bronze Age, whereas the Exodus is normally dated to the Late Bronze Age. In the same way, Solomon's luxurious Jerusalem was the opulent and mighty Middle Bronze Age city - the city conquered and ruined by Thutmose III, not the miserable Iron Age village normally associated with Solomon.
In his "Ages in Chaos" Velkovsky explained in great detail howHatshepsut, who went on a great expedition to the "Divine Land", was the Queen of Sheba, who visited Solomon in the "Holy Land". Hatshepsut's successor, Thutmose III, was the "pharaoh Shishak", who plundered the temple in Jerualem (Al Kuds, the "Holy Place"). Thutmose conquered the land of Palestine in his first year and records the plunder he took from the great temple of the King of Kadesh (Kadesh and Kuds both being names for Jerusalem.
As long asVelikovsky is rejected by the establishment, no one will ever make sense of the archaeology.
Hi Lewis and thank you for your clarifications. Please note that I (nor I'm sure Gill) are calling your qualifications or experience into question. However, you are expounding theories. Not facts. Even within your clarification you use the term "Celtic artifacts" (sic) without blushing. Celtic artefacts can only be dated with precision from the mid 4th century BC as you must know. Any denoting of artefacts of any kind from prior to that date is pure speculation and underpins modern holistic use of the term "Celtic" for any wishy washy, swirly twirly ancient artform, driving an unattached quasi hippy/Druidic cultural that is by turns risible and incredibly annoying. In fact DNA analysis finds little in common between the peoples of Austria/Switzerland and those of, for example, Ireland. Ireland is often used as an example of a "Celtic" country. However the Celtic nature of Ireland from 150 BC onwards in purely cultural (art and language) and denotes no actual large scale presence of "Celts". To say otherwise is akin to saying that the French speaking aristocracy of Russian in the late 18th and early 19th Centuries wee French. they were anything but! They spoke French and aped French manners, style, food and dress because they admired French culture.
Indeed, the search for depth of meaning in the 3 contiguous swirls on the front kerbstone guarding the entrance to Newgrange has been interpreted quite simply by many local Irish archaeologists as representing the intertwined nature of the three main Megalithic passage tombs of Bru na Boinne - the Bend of the Boyne.
Once your theory has been fleshed out, hypothesised and is supported by facts I'll gladly eat my words. Until then however, the theories that you propound should come with a strong health warning. By the way, I've an MA and B.Sc. myself and am one of those local archaeologists.
Very interesting work, Ralph. Looking forward to part 2.
Incidentally, I have to wonder about the description of Jerusalem as a mere village. A little village surrounding the gigantic Moirah platform...?
Oh wait, I forgot...the Romans built that platform. So it wasn't there yet. Except for the part that once held Solomon's Temple....which is most of it. And neither Solomon nor David built that part; the texts indicate it was already there when they got there. So....
...yeah. A little village surrounding the huge platform.
[could the egyptian name (seba) has something to do with his wife Bathseba?]
Ha, yes, you have it in one.
David was called Sheba meaning Star. Bathsheba means Daughter of Sheba, and she was David's daughter, if you plough through the genealogy. And when she married David, she became the Malkha Sheba, or the Queen of Sheba.
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[How could you leave us hanging like that ..what proof ?]
There is a book to go with the article - Solomon, Pharaoh of Egypt.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1508498830
Ralph
Heya Gord,
I too am in agreement with much of what you say. Nothing in my earlier comments was meant to imply that I thought you were ignorant. T'was pontification for pontification's sake, old boy, nothing more.
All I would say is that I think I'm a bit more cynical than you are. You're asking "can we not do better?" My answer to that is yes, we can do better, of course. That seems obvious to me.
I think a more pertinent question, therefore, is will we do better? And to that, my answer is, not very likely. You're talking about conscious evolution there, and I'm not entirely sold on the unconscious kind yet.
But still...it would be nice to be able, once and for all, to decide "we ain't gonna study war no more" and turn our swords into plows, etc., but I just don't think that day will ever come. Not for humanity as it exists here in the physical universe, anyway. A big part of the reason for that is because, as we discussed earlier, the nature of life here is competition and consumption. It sucks, but them's the rules.
The other part of the reason is, there would be no way to know for sure that every human had truly rescinded violence forever. In fact, it seems almost a certainty that there would be those that didn't. All the rest of us, having given up violence for good, would thus basically be sheep for the slaughter.
So let me shift the discussion a bit by asking this: why focus on "peace" as the ultimate goal? What about "freedom"? Personally, I value freedom much more than peace...and often the two are mutually exclusive. Because tyranny never sleeps.
By the way, I wanted to address the issue of my chosen alias, "Tsurugi". Yes, it is often translated as "sword", but that is not the reason I chose it, I promise. Like most here, I am fascinated by mysteries and ancient myths and strange artifacts, and I named myself after one of my favorites. Google Kusanagi no Tsurugi if you're interested.
Great work April!
I agree with your comments
how could you leave us hanging like that ..what proof ? if any this is written and where ? ...i have a few people i need to discuss this with ...as this sounds so logical /some what / what about the story of Moses than we know he was in a basket sent to the Egyptian pharaohs
Moses, first appear at the beginning of the Hellenistic period, from 323 BCE to about 146 BCE
son of Amram grand father Kohath great grand father Levis.. and great great grandson of Jacob and Leah ..great.great great grandson son of Abraham and Sarah ...for king solomon to be a pharo these names would also be in play ....moses and david share brother ancestors with levis and Judah....oo and the big one for me would be abraham that would need to show some where .....but i don't think so!!!
Will be going for a holiday to Greece at the end of the month. Had already planned on going to see the Parthenon and reading this article has inspired me even more to do so! Would like to read more about it!
interesting article. could the second part of his eventually egypt name (seba) has something to do with his wife Bathseba? also written as bat scheva, scheva means wealth or vow in hebrew as far as wikipedia knows. what was the exact meaning of seba in egypt?
Hello Donald.
Quote - "Hey Jack, I appreciate the thoughtful response. Kind of a rarity these days"
Of course Don. I always have the same respect as I am given. A flaw I do battle with is being sarcastic with people who attack me, or insult etc. But I am working on it! lol!
Quote - "I will definitely do my own research as I am not one to take the given narrative."
That's the only way you'll ever be truly satisfied with the answers you discover.
Quote - "I like your comparison with Caesar, interesting"
I found a site which compares several ancient sources compared to the Bible
https://carm.org/manuscript-evidence
Quote - "I do have a couple of personal squabbles... For one, who is right? Catholics? Baptists? Methodists? Orthodox? Lutheran? Presbyterian? Evangelicals? Jews? Mormons?"
Good question, and I get this one a lot.
OK, as for the many denominations - I don't refer to myself in relation to any denomination. I am a Christian, and I have learned through many years and lots of research that the King James Version is the one Bible that I trust.
It is virtually identical to the dead Sea Scrolls, as well as many of the over 28,000 other ancient, early Biblical manuscripts.
As for the Mormons, or Jehovah's Witnesses - it doesn't take long to read through their heretical books and you'll discover many serious problems, same with the Koran. read Revelation 22:19 -
"And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."
The Holy Bible was circulated very shortly after the actual events described within. There were many people alive when the books were written, and circulated who were eyewitnesses to the actual events, and you can search until you are blue in the face, and you will NOT find any sources saying "Hey, I was there and this is not what happened" etc.
The heretical books were put together hundreds, or over a thousand years after the fact, which are very seriously against the Revelation 22 warning.
It's very important whenever we're searching for information to research as many sources as you can.
So, to answer your question, I have personally found the Catholic church to be less than Godly.
Now to be perfectly clear - I am NOT referring to the parishioners. The Catholic church blatantly disobey many of the warnings from scriptures. They have all kinds of "idols" which people bend in front of and pray to. They kiss the idols. Etc.
Also, the scriptures clearly warn us to NEVER refer to any man as "Father" in relation to Father God - what do we call every Catholic priest? We do NOT need a human to intercess on our behalf to God. We are taught by Jesus Christ to pray DIRECTLY to God "Our Father, whoa rt in Heaven..."
We are warned about praying to any human being - and yet the Catholic church are constantly praying to Mary.
These examples go on and on. I am speaking from direct experience because I belonged to that church for many years.
The depravity goes very deep and you can do a Google search to research for yourself.
Quote - "Just as long as the word Jesus is in your prayers, your good"?
Hell no! Read Matthew 7:21-23 -
21"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity".
Quote - "What about good Buddhists or Muslims who believe in their heart of hearts their savior (or lack thereof) is the true God/Path? They believe just as strongly as you do."
OK, another really good question brother. And again, I don't want to sound like a broken record, but the truth is not subjective. A thing is either true, or it is not true. The Koran was written about 500 years after the Gospels.
If you read in the Koran sura 615 - it says the Christians had the real word of "allah"
And so you would ask a Muslim why do you reject the Bible when your own Koran says it is the true word of God, right?
They will tell you because the Bible has been corrupted.
Then ask them why does sura 615 say the words of "allah" cannot be corrupted?
Many Muslims have come to Jesus Christ because of those two verses in the Koran alone. Because they understand the Koran legitimes the Holy Bible but the Holy Bible exposes the Koran, and all other so called "godly" books as frauds.
Jesus Christ told us the road to destruction is wide, but the road to salvation is narrow.
Why? Because there is just one way to God, and many ways, such as placing your faith in Buddha or Allah etc.
John 14:5 - "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."
Quote - "My best friend is probably the most Christ-like person i have ever met, yet he is a devout Buddhist and will never accept Jesus, just like you will never follow Buddha."
Did Buddha claim to be God? Did he say you can get to Heaven through believing in him?
Buddha was a man, and we really don't know much about him because the earliest manuscripts about him were almost 1,000 years after he died.
Jesus Christ died, and three days later He was resurrected, and was seen by 500 people at the same time.
There are no examples of anyone saying it was all a lie, I was there!
However, His enemies actually provided some of the most powerful evidence for him because they corroborate He did these miraculous things, including His death and resurrection, but instead of saying it was all a lie, which they would have loved to have done, they simply ascribed His abilities to the devil. Powerful hostile corroboration.
Quote - "How do you reconcile that or those folks who died, never hearing of Christ, let alone accepting him"?
The reason anyone goes to hell is because they rejected Jesus Christ.
How can you reject Jesus Christ if you never heard of Him right?
God will judge any such people according to their hearts.
Quote - "I also take huge issue with the idea that all sin is equal. Pardon my language, but Bullshit if raping or torturing an innocent child is the same as saying Goddamnit."
OK, so when the scriptures tell us all sins are equal to God - that doesn't mean child molestation and lying are the same level. It means that anyone with unrepentant sin cannot enter Heaven.
Think of sin as a communicable disease. If a diseased person gets into Heaven, he/she will very quickly infect everyone and destroy Heaven. OK?
Many people who hated God, or did not believe in God have died and had very real horrific experiences where they swear they were very much alive, and found themselves in Hell.
These testimonies are shocking in their details, because people who have never heard about anyone else having the same experience, have extremely similar experiences, seeing very similar things.
One of the shared experience details they describe are different level of torment in Hell, depending on what the life sin was. Child molesters and scamming ministers were very brutally suffering.
I'll post a link from a dear friend of mine who hated God before he found himself in the pit.
Every one of these God haters and deniers came back instant converts.
People will say "well why do Muslims see Muhammad" why do other people see what they believe in?
They don't. I haven't seen a single testimony where anyone saw anything other than Hell, and or Jesus Christ.
They ALL became very faithful Christians, not Buddhists, or Islamists.
Quote - "I don't want to meet the God who made those rules. Lastly, I was raised in a God fearing family and tried really hard to speak to the Big Man to no avail. I personally can't just say words like, "I accept Jesus" unless I TRULY believe it, without a doubt, otherwise Im lying to myself and God. Maybe I'll have a revelation like you did, until then, I have to say Im agnostic, I don't know what the hell to believe."
Brother, I feel for you I honestly do, because I was you many years ago.
The thing is we cannot all have those kind of experiences. God gave us free choice to accept or deny Him, and so if He was to reveal Himself to everyone, that would destroy free choice.
God did promise us that He would give us more than enough evidence to prove who He is.
And there is lots and lots of amazing, awesome evidence out there brother, now go get it!
Here is my friend ,y brother Mario’s Hell testimony
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10KhRWwc51M
If I can help, please visit my site and send me an e-mail. I will help you anytime brother, and anything I can do, I will.
Take care brother.
Jack
www.theliteralbible.com
Hi, love you site. Keep going with the good work.
Best regards,
Catarina.
Hey Jack,
I appreciate the thoughtful response. Kind of a rarity these days. I will definitely do my own research as I am not one to take the given narrative. I like your comparison with Caesar, interesting. I do have a couple of personal squabbles... For one, who is right? Catholics? Baptists? Methodists? Orthodox? Lutheran? Presbyterian? Evangelicals? Jews? Mormons? Just as long as the word Jesus is in your prayers, your good? What about good Buddhists or Muslims who believe in their heart of hearts their savior (or lack thereof) is the true God/Path? They believe just as strongly as you do. My best friend is probably the most Christ-like person i have ever met, yet he is a devout Buddhist and will never accept Jesus, just like you will never follow Buddha. How do you reconcile that or those folks who died, never hearing of Christ, let alone accepting him? I also take huge issue with the idea that all sin is equal. Pardon my language, but Bullshit if raping or torturing an innocent child is the same as saying Goddamnit. I don't want to meet the God who made those rules. Lastly, I was raised in a God fearing family and tried really hard to speak to the Big Man to no avail. I personally can't just say words like, "I accept Jesus" unless I TRULY believe it, without a doubt, otherwise Im lying to myself and God. Maybe I'll have a revelation like you did, until then, I have to say Im agnostic, I don't know what the hell to believe.
No i did not know of other ancient buildings at all using that ratio. what others ?
Hello Donald.
Quote - "If elephants walked on their back legs maybe you'd have a point."
I'm not sure how walking on back legs could be relevant. T-Rex then?
Quote - "I'm not an evolutionist necessarily, assuming makes an ass out of you and me,"
Really? I wish that saying could be retired.
Hey, I get it, I really do because I was there also.
The thing I decided to do was to make an honest effort in researching things for myself.
There are just too many agendas for me to accept the "truth" from others.
Once I began to look into "evidence" to corroborate the scriptures, I very quickly discovered God has left an embarrassment of proof for us, and that is why He said there will be no excuses at judgement day.
Some of the most "unbelievable" Biblical accounts have very, very powerful, and observational proof to corroborate these are the truth, and not just made up, or plagiarized from other ancient muth.
Quite often someone will post how the Bible is just a bunch of stolen ancient Egyptian myth.
Well, it doesn't take very long to compare these so called stolen myths to the actual scriptures which are claimed to have been copied. There is absolutely, 100% no doubt that these ancient myths have nothing in common with the scriptures.
I did the research for myself. You will see all kinds of specific scriptures posted, with the so called "proof" from the ancient myth, and on the face it does appear to be devastating. Trust me, if I found any real proof that the scriptures were plagiarized, I would be converted back to the "religion" I was practicing prior to becoming a born again Christian.
What was my previous religion? Pure heathen. lol!
I was lead singer and writer for three decades and yes I did live that lifestyle. I did not want to give it up, but the evidence for scriptures was so powerful, that I would be forced to suppress it so I could continue my drugging, drinking, and womanizing. I loved all that, and yet I did give it all up.
If you need evidence, it's at your fingertips. Do a Google search on the following
Exodus proof - giant skeletons discovered in North America, and the world - Elongated skulls - genetic testing on elongated skulls.
Now if you are honestly seeking THE truth, as opposed to A truth, you will have very little doubt that the entire Bible is accurate, unadulterated, and true in every detail.
Those who just cannot stand the thought of an interfering God will simply stamp HOAX on everything, regardless of the fact that there is real OBSERVATIONAL evidence, as opposed to evolution, which is 100% based on faith, and philosophy.
A typical example is the complete lack of even one single real, series of graduated, transitional fossils.
You will be called stupid, dumb, ignorant etc, etc, there will be all kinds of claims of these missing G.T.F. and yet whenever I ask for proof of these G.T.F. all I have EVER got back was "well, you can't directly observe it, because it happens way too slow" and so here's another way of articulating that faith - "hey kids, long ago and far away..."
Quote - "I KNOW there is a higher power, something bigger than us all, but I require proof that other people can verify. Not stories... Though they are very entertaining. Honestly, I hope your right, but hope isn't proof. Until that time, I guess Im just a blind man who believes the propaganda."
Believing in a "higher power" is not good enough for Jesus Christ brother.
Satan, and Lucifer worshipers also believe in a "higher power" and they will not be entering Heaven.
Being a "good" person and doing all kinds of charity work will not get you forgiven and will not get you into Heaven either. The scriptures say all our good work is like filthy rags to God.
Brother, I would urge you to take a closer look for yourself, because the Holy Bible is God's word. Now I get the typical evolution/atheist rebuttals, where they state the Bible has been changed, and is full of mistakes, and yet again, whenever I ask for specifics, there's nothing but the sounds of crickets chirping away.
The Dead Sea Scrolls corroborate the precise accuracy of the Holy Bible.
There is more and more real, observational evidence for scriptures almost on a monthly basis.
The Holy Bible is hands down vastly superior in the tiny gap from the actual events, and the oldest copies.
Some of the Acts have been dated to a couple of years, and closer!
There are over 28,000 ancient Bible copies, in several different languages, and these have all been used to cross reference the Bible, and the end result was that the Holy Bible we have today, is virtually identical to the oldest, ancient manuscripts.
Compare that with any other "famous" person from history, such as Julius Caesar. The oldest copy of his biography is 900 years after the fact, and yet no one squawks about Caesar being a mythological character invented by the Romans.
Check out any other ancient manuscripts and you'll discover the same issues.
Anyway, if I can be of any assistance for you in your search for The truth, please feel free to send me an e-mail and I will get back to you within 24 hours maximum.
You can contact me through my site, which I'll link at the bottom of this post.
If you want to check out more proof, you can visit my site, which is almost complete after I did a complete rebuild.
Still, you can find a lot of very good, solid evidence there.
Take care brother.
Jack
www.theliteralbible.com
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