There are about 70 million Irish around the world. That Denis O'Van lad has been mighty busy. You just gotta love him. A distant relation of Suleiman (Sullivan).
A truly historic journey, it should have been given more attention because of the facinating history behind it all. It is a shame that you were unable to stay longer and delve further in to the cave systems. I would like to know if you are planning to go back and explore the caves again with your guides. The trust you have built up with the local Shuar community will help and over time they may open up to you further and show you places were others have not seen. I do have a serious question though; if you find any artifacts, whether of gold or proof of (alien) higher technology, what are you going to do if the Shuar people say no to announcing any discovery?
Templars knew of the America long before Columbus. The first writer who pointed that out was Louis Charpentier in his 1967 book "Les Mysteres Templiers". He wrote (and I citing from memory) the Templars were compose in large part by Normand knights. Now it has to be remembered that Normand was the name to Vikings who have been invading France since the 8th century. So if indeed Viking had visited the Green Land and Vine-land, the fact would be known to English and French brothers.
Futhermore, also mentioned by Charpentier in his book for the first time, Templars built the town of La Rochelle and had a triple barrier of "commanderies" set around the newly formed port. Another thing, La Rochelle is in the middle of coastal France, far from English coast and far from Spanish coat, however on the direct line towards the American coasts.
Templars were accused of heresy, of spitting on cross and this might very well be the only truth about the accusation (to cites all the reasons for this affirmation would literally require couple chapters of a book). Why than would Templars take a survival element of Christ's family if they didn't believe in him?
The answer to this questions is in the "Gospel of Judas" which is older than believed. The poor translation of that particular Gospel had "specialists" convinced that it was written long after Yesuah ben Josef's death. Yet one word in that Gospel was not translated and could very well be the proof of Yesuah's manhood rather than godhood.
But as I wrote earlier an entire book would be necessary to explain this. Templars were a very complex organisation, they used ciphers, some of which had not been translated (the graffiti of Chinon, where Jacques de Molay was questioned have still not been deciphered).
If Templars brought something to America, it wouldn't be a survivor of the Family of David.
Although I agree with you on most part of your post, have you considered the fact that Yeshuah ben Josef was participating in a reenactment which lead to his death (real or not according to whoever is saying it, in the coran it said that a certain Simon of Cyrene was crucified, the Mandeans thinks he was a false prophet who stole his title from the Baptizer etc...) Have you read "The Passover Plot" by Hugh Shonfield? Interesting analysis followed by a romanticized version of the event as perceived by the author.
Is the second terrace, the middle one on the west side of the mound, an actual piece of intentional construction? or is it a result of slumping that occurred around 1200AD? I had read that the temple at the top of the mound was damaged during that slumping episode and not rebuilt but it was covered up making the fourth terrace. Anyone have additional info?
It's probably me being a little thick, but this passage left me mightily confused:
"Dudley also got Edward to place his daughter, daughter, Lady Jane Grey, (Edward’s cousin) as heir to the king. Dudley’s motives were obvious as Jane Grey was married to his son Guilford, whom the Duke imagined would soon be the new king of England."
This implies that Lady Jane Grey was Dudley's daughter, or was she Edward's daughter (but he was only 15)? But wait, she was married to Dudley's son Guilford. So you have perhaps unearthed a scandalous incestuous relationship where Dudley's daughter was married to her own brother, Dudley's son.
There are more than just one city that were sunken. You also must remember about the roads in the Bahamas, Minos Island in Greece, Japan, several cities along coast line of India, and of course, the land mass north of Europe that was connecting UK to Europe and Nordic countries. To me, clearly sea water level were much lower in the past. I know scientists will not accept Christian Biblical account of the Great Flood and period before the flood. Let's listen for now. You see, I figured this that I do not think many knew this: there were larger land mass before the Great Flood and they did not rain before the flood. The world's first rain was during Noah's time. There are so many stories about global flooding in tribes stories so it CAN back up the Biblical story.
You see, the water used to be in the ground and it was uprooted spouting out of the ground in great force. It liquified land because of the quakes to break open the water. land sank because they were sink holes. It collapse. Then you see, now water is ON top of land instead of UNDER ground. It is flipping over slowly now. More water, less land. People in science are correct on that part. They should figure it out about the flood.
If you were taught that the continental shelf were there around continents, that was the old coastal lines before the Great Flood. Some were dramatically changed coastal line due to disasters. Modern day incident of city or land sinking was evidenced with Japan quake and the waves destruction few years ago that part of Japan was actually sunken into sea.
New Orleans should have been a sunken city because it is sinking slowly and because of the breach of its dike, it was clearly in entire America's history that the land was actually sunken.
Holland is another. Rising sea would actually buried that country long ago if there were dikes and barriers.
See, those quick landscaping changes can occur.
Now back to the Cuban sunken city with the buildings still intact, likely it was built on low lands and could have caused by several factors including hurricane flooding, sinking, (remember those area including Florida has no rocks and were perhaps floating like Florida is) and had sink holes.
That lost city was more like New Orleans, Holland, and other ancient sunken cities and land.
Lost Atlantis? Maybe because Plato said it is situated near two pillars or 2 land mass. It was between Cuba and Mexico. Plato said it happened so much longer ago and they said sunken city happened so much longer ago too... so it made sense it HAS to be Atlantis.
Now with the opening to Cuba for American government and people, maybe we can get something more about this city? I pray so!
I agree with you since my sister owned a farm on a hill in Lafayette, NY and we climbed this hill where the fossils of sea floor shells used to be around. Well, I am from Syracuse, NY and the Sea Level at the airport is 536 feet above sea level. Add more height in Lafayette. Perhaps at 575 to 600 feet above where those fossils are and it is quite interesting find you would find fossils up high and old ruins of cities in the water like the Sunken City of Cuba. There are many other cities under seas like in India, Japan, Southeast Asia, the Northern Europe between UK and the Nordic countries that was featured in Nat Geo magazine not too long ago.
I have a theory that sea level were much lower at some point and several times at different levels. So, I totally understands your point of view.
These are depictions of the zhretsi (shamans, priests) of God Sun Bal of Ancient Balgarians. The zhretsi of Bal used to wear animal masks with horns, wings and feathers while performing their spiritual rituals of burning plants and essences. The meaning of the word Zhretsi is the ones who burn. Zhretsi used to dance with snakes in their hands. God Bal of the Light called SebAzi as well was often depicted with snakes in his hands as a symbol of his energy. Today zhretsi exist as a folklore in Bulgaria and are called Kukeri
An excellent assessment Ekaterina. That probably means because I tend to agree with it. It allows the possible variations to have evolved from various locations or one. It does not insist that Africa is the only option. It does not claim that it is the only possible origin.
I doubt if we will ever know for sure, but I'd like to know what happened to the original skull of Peking Man? Probably in a collection somewhere.
I don't much care where my ultimate ancestor came from, but recently most of mine came from the UK. It is the determination of the OOA merchants that theirs is the only possible scenario in a plethora of evidence to the contrary. They insist on manipulating the evidence and making dramatic claims for it. THERE ARE NO FACTS IN SCIENCE There are pieces of evidence that can be analysed statistically to arrive at a conclusion. Further evidence can change the conclusion. This is not a problem. We all want to know the truth but the evidence is so fragmentary that we will probably never know for sure. So stop worrying and love the Bomb.
An intriguing addition to the canon of versions. I hope very much that other bits come to light.
A goat might find it boring, but I like is and find it significant. I have learned a lot from it about how to reject a goddess, how to kill the Bull of Heaven and how to look after the secret of eternal life. But if it is lost, not to whinge about it.
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There are about 70 million Irish around the world. That Denis O'Van lad has been mighty busy. You just gotta love him. A distant relation of Suleiman (Sullivan).
Do you refer to the image on the top right of the first "side" of the stone? If so, that's a teepee, not a pyramid. :)
A truly historic journey, it should have been given more attention because of the facinating history behind it all. It is a shame that you were unable to stay longer and delve further in to the cave systems. I would like to know if you are planning to go back and explore the caves again with your guides. The trust you have built up with the local Shuar community will help and over time they may open up to you further and show you places were others have not seen. I do have a serious question though; if you find any artifacts, whether of gold or proof of (alien) higher technology, what are you going to do if the Shuar people say no to announcing any discovery?
Interesting article. For another take on the apparent plurality see: http://thechronicleproject.org/PDF1/chroniclemaster.pdf Scroll down to page 17 to see a continuous paraphrased English version without the Hebrew.
Well said there boet!
Rising star! I wonder why they would name it that? Must be those liberals in South Africa.
Templars knew of the America long before Columbus. The first writer who pointed that out was Louis Charpentier in his 1967 book "Les Mysteres Templiers". He wrote (and I citing from memory) the Templars were compose in large part by Normand knights. Now it has to be remembered that Normand was the name to Vikings who have been invading France since the 8th century. So if indeed Viking had visited the Green Land and Vine-land, the fact would be known to English and French brothers.
Futhermore, also mentioned by Charpentier in his book for the first time, Templars built the town of La Rochelle and had a triple barrier of "commanderies" set around the newly formed port. Another thing, La Rochelle is in the middle of coastal France, far from English coast and far from Spanish coat, however on the direct line towards the American coasts.
Templars were accused of heresy, of spitting on cross and this might very well be the only truth about the accusation (to cites all the reasons for this affirmation would literally require couple chapters of a book). Why than would Templars take a survival element of Christ's family if they didn't believe in him?
The answer to this questions is in the "Gospel of Judas" which is older than believed. The poor translation of that particular Gospel had "specialists" convinced that it was written long after Yesuah ben Josef's death. Yet one word in that Gospel was not translated and could very well be the proof of Yesuah's manhood rather than godhood.
But as I wrote earlier an entire book would be necessary to explain this. Templars were a very complex organisation, they used ciphers, some of which had not been translated (the graffiti of Chinon, where Jacques de Molay was questioned have still not been deciphered).
If Templars brought something to America, it wouldn't be a survivor of the Family of David.
Hello Jamey.
I am very interested in what you have said here.
may I ask where did you get this information from?
I would like read about it.
Although I agree with you on most part of your post, have you considered the fact that Yeshuah ben Josef was participating in a reenactment which lead to his death (real or not according to whoever is saying it, in the coran it said that a certain Simon of Cyrene was crucified, the Mandeans thinks he was a false prophet who stole his title from the Baptizer etc...) Have you read "The Passover Plot" by Hugh Shonfield? Interesting analysis followed by a romanticized version of the event as perceived by the author.
Lady Jane Gray was Dudley's Daughter-in-law, not his daughter. It does get confusing sometime.
Is the second terrace, the middle one on the west side of the mound, an actual piece of intentional construction? or is it a result of slumping that occurred around 1200AD? I had read that the temple at the top of the mound was damaged during that slumping episode and not rebuilt but it was covered up making the fourth terrace. Anyone have additional info?
It's probably me being a little thick, but this passage left me mightily confused:
"Dudley also got Edward to place his daughter, daughter, Lady Jane Grey, (Edward’s cousin) as heir to the king. Dudley’s motives were obvious as Jane Grey was married to his son Guilford, whom the Duke imagined would soon be the new king of England."
This implies that Lady Jane Grey was Dudley's daughter, or was she Edward's daughter (but he was only 15)? But wait, she was married to Dudley's son Guilford. So you have perhaps unearthed a scandalous incestuous relationship where Dudley's daughter was married to her own brother, Dudley's son.
There are more than just one city that were sunken. You also must remember about the roads in the Bahamas, Minos Island in Greece, Japan, several cities along coast line of India, and of course, the land mass north of Europe that was connecting UK to Europe and Nordic countries. To me, clearly sea water level were much lower in the past. I know scientists will not accept Christian Biblical account of the Great Flood and period before the flood. Let's listen for now. You see, I figured this that I do not think many knew this: there were larger land mass before the Great Flood and they did not rain before the flood. The world's first rain was during Noah's time. There are so many stories about global flooding in tribes stories so it CAN back up the Biblical story.
You see, the water used to be in the ground and it was uprooted spouting out of the ground in great force. It liquified land because of the quakes to break open the water. land sank because they were sink holes. It collapse. Then you see, now water is ON top of land instead of UNDER ground. It is flipping over slowly now. More water, less land. People in science are correct on that part. They should figure it out about the flood.
If you were taught that the continental shelf were there around continents, that was the old coastal lines before the Great Flood. Some were dramatically changed coastal line due to disasters. Modern day incident of city or land sinking was evidenced with Japan quake and the waves destruction few years ago that part of Japan was actually sunken into sea.
New Orleans should have been a sunken city because it is sinking slowly and because of the breach of its dike, it was clearly in entire America's history that the land was actually sunken.
Holland is another. Rising sea would actually buried that country long ago if there were dikes and barriers.
See, those quick landscaping changes can occur.
Now back to the Cuban sunken city with the buildings still intact, likely it was built on low lands and could have caused by several factors including hurricane flooding, sinking, (remember those area including Florida has no rocks and were perhaps floating like Florida is) and had sink holes.
That lost city was more like New Orleans, Holland, and other ancient sunken cities and land.
Lost Atlantis? Maybe because Plato said it is situated near two pillars or 2 land mass. It was between Cuba and Mexico. Plato said it happened so much longer ago and they said sunken city happened so much longer ago too... so it made sense it HAS to be Atlantis.
Now with the opening to Cuba for American government and people, maybe we can get something more about this city? I pray so!
Great article! Would her entrance into London really resemble the painting? That must have been extraordinary.
I agree with you since my sister owned a farm on a hill in Lafayette, NY and we climbed this hill where the fossils of sea floor shells used to be around. Well, I am from Syracuse, NY and the Sea Level at the airport is 536 feet above sea level. Add more height in Lafayette. Perhaps at 575 to 600 feet above where those fossils are and it is quite interesting find you would find fossils up high and old ruins of cities in the water like the Sunken City of Cuba. There are many other cities under seas like in India, Japan, Southeast Asia, the Northern Europe between UK and the Nordic countries that was featured in Nat Geo magazine not too long ago.
I have a theory that sea level were much lower at some point and several times at different levels. So, I totally understands your point of view.
These are depictions of the zhretsi (shamans, priests) of God Sun Bal of Ancient Balgarians. The zhretsi of Bal used to wear animal masks with horns, wings and feathers while performing their spiritual rituals of burning plants and essences. The meaning of the word Zhretsi is the ones who burn. Zhretsi used to dance with snakes in their hands. God Bal of the Light called SebAzi as well was often depicted with snakes in his hands as a symbol of his energy. Today zhretsi exist as a folklore in Bulgaria and are called Kukeri
myths and legends and traditional knowledge is my love and interest of ancient places
An excellent assessment Ekaterina. That probably means because I tend to agree with it. It allows the possible variations to have evolved from various locations or one. It does not insist that Africa is the only option. It does not claim that it is the only possible origin.
I doubt if we will ever know for sure, but I'd like to know what happened to the original skull of Peking Man? Probably in a collection somewhere.
I don't much care where my ultimate ancestor came from, but recently most of mine came from the UK. It is the determination of the OOA merchants that theirs is the only possible scenario in a plethora of evidence to the contrary. They insist on manipulating the evidence and making dramatic claims for it. THERE ARE NO FACTS IN SCIENCE There are pieces of evidence that can be analysed statistically to arrive at a conclusion. Further evidence can change the conclusion. This is not a problem. We all want to know the truth but the evidence is so fragmentary that we will probably never know for sure. So stop worrying and love the Bomb.
An intriguing addition to the canon of versions. I hope very much that other bits come to light.
A goat might find it boring, but I like is and find it significant. I have learned a lot from it about how to reject a goddess, how to kill the Bull of Heaven and how to look after the secret of eternal life. But if it is lost, not to whinge about it.
The Bradshaw Foundation has an extensive listing of petroglyphs of the Gulf area.
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