Moses had come out of Egypt with many who were in bondage. He left Reuel on good terms. He led all these people to the worship of Yahweh. In the desert, Moses was on good terms with Reuel, as you point out - having given him the organization of judges which Moses appointed. What would Reuel have to want revenge over?
Well, not quite...Serbs were called serves in Roman (and subsequent derived from roman tradition like Venice, etc.) and Byzantine accounts, but not in other. First Serb reference in Roman empire is city Serbonum in modern day city of Gradiška in Serbian republic in 2 AD. First account of Serbs in universally undisputed account is in Frankish "Annales regni francorum" from 822 AD, where they mention Serbs as Sorabos (not serves) for south Serbs as well northern Serbs (still in existence as Luznic Serbs or Sorbs in modern day Germany, occupying part of Bohemia-ancient Bojka, prot Serb land, according to Byzantie emperor Constantinus Porfirogenitus), and those were also written in latin language, same as Roman account but with different name for Serbs, because Francs used Slavic word for Serbs (Sorabos). In other words the name that Serbs use for themselves. In other Slavic accounts like Chronicles of Dalimil (Chech XIV AD) od Nestor's Chronicles (Russian VIII AD), Serbs are called Serbs. You must know that letters V and B were always interchangeable in Roman languages as well in Slavic, so in Spain locals call city of Valencia-Balencia, In west there is Byzantine but in Slavic is "Vitazantija", and in Serbian Cyrilic, sign B is actualy used for letter V and so on. Not just that, in Roman and modern day English, word slave is derived from Slav, (as Slavic people). Two modern countries have names derived from Slav-Slovenija and Slovakia as well as Slavonija region in Croatia and former YugoSLAVIJA and Serbian religion custom SLAVA, although in Slavic languages Slav means something totally different than slave. It derives from old Slavic root: SLOVA- which means word. In Slavic, Slavs are the one who knows how to speak or the ones who knows words-slova, and the rest (in old Slavic times all the rest were it's neighbours Germans) are called Nemci-meaning in Slavic, the ones who are mute (nem-in Slavic). Even today all Slavic people calls Germans Nemci and country of Germany is called Nemačka.
I don't about the Bulgars, but Bulgars are most likely to be settlers from Asia (4-5 AD). Bulgars were slavenized, since Bulgarian language is of Slavic origin and modern Serbs and Bulgars can understand each other if they talk slowly. Almost all Bulgarian Slavic neighbours in Balkans were Serbs, so you do the math who predominantly culturally influenced who, so that Bulgarians forget it's own language (this goes also for "tracian" theory of Bulgarian origin). On the other hand, Serbs were always Slavs, have their ancestry in old Slavic proto country (Luznic Serbs or Sorbs-modern day Germany) and Serbian clerics still learn old Slavic in Religious schools so they are almost only ones who keep old Slavic alive). Furthermore, Serbs are the only ones in Slavic south who take pride in their Slavic heritage as all the other "former" south Slavic nations have new dominant science theory that they derived from ancient Macedonians (modern day Macedonians-of Slavic origin, no relation to ancient Macedonians-Greeks), Croatians (from Germans or, even more ridiculously from Iranians), Montenegrins (from ancient Romans-Diocleans), Bulgars (from Thracians) and Bosniaks (from Iliryans). Needles to say that all of them speak same language as Serbs (apart from Bulgarians and Macedonians, but their language is very similar) and their biggest minority (in all afore mentioned countries is Serbs, apart from Bulgaria), and still they all claim language as their own (as said before apart from Bulgaria), that Serbs "borrowed" ("Romans", "Germans", "Ilyrians" and "ancient Macedinians" claim Slavic language away from Serbs who are only proud of their undoubtfull Slavic heritage? Funny, isn't it?).
As for Vinča culture goes, there is very little possibility that those ancient people have anything to do with modern day Serbs or any modern Balkan nation whatsoever. As for the lettering, few things cross my mind: First, why all scientific circles denounce it as not being a proper writing, when we have clearly signs that resemble modern letters (or Phoenician or Greek) as well as few universally known signs, such as cross, sun, bull (all were letters in ancient writings). How come there is more elaborate signs that are universally known such as svastika? There is signs like this I, II, III, IIII-how come that is not counting? And finally, there is cross with for mirrored letters C (C is S in cyrilic), Serbian coat of arms (even today), that is unlike any other coat of arms in world (see it for yourself). Is that strange or what? And someone said it here before-Vinča culture is just a ancestor of even more old culture-Lepenski Vir culture, also on Danube, and also in Serbia, but that culture is hardly a "civilization". Still, interesting though. Whole Lepenski Vir settlement is now museum covered with Dome, and with magnificent Stone age sculptures on bank of Danube in Serbia.
April, this is a stunning research and remarkable article. Well wrttten and provides much innovative and new interesting information. Simply brilliant.
I'm somewhat surprised there's no mention of pederasty considering pederasty was so widely practiced across ancient Greece.
For the most part, sexual orientation was an abstract concept that played a small role in defining the ancient Greeks as people. Love was a human condition that individuals experienced for others regardless of that other person's age, sex, or gender. In other words, Eros was a mischievous god that was not bound by today's Jeudo-Christian accepted norms of male-female relations and age.
Cultural sensitivities aside, preserved frescos from that era reveal a dark side of ancient Greece very few researchers have discussed or exposed.
There's probably a relation with the 'Twelfth Night' there (in German it's called: Zwölf Weihnachtstage and there they count from the 25th to the 6th of January). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelfth_Night_(holiday)
Just a quick note on Garys comments. This was quite an analysis, almost a synopsis of what most thinking men and women go through as they wander through life reviewing the big questions. So well done a good post, I enjoyed reading it. I have concluded that Sitchens position on the origins of man have some credibility, but even his interpretations have their detractors, so what to do? Stick to our secular methodology, "science" as much as we can and avoid the belief, paradigms I am sure that is why Enki modified us, questions and hypotheses are our birthright. Lets keep it up and ignore as much as possible the Belief systems like religions and inherited right to power, social models.
4k4 - I had to laugh at your reply. I should hope NO-ONE was comatose, why should they miss a coma? I can understand if a COMMA is missing, but a COMA?!
Even though this article is a few years old, it is still interesting
PS. I am just taking the mickey out of you regarding the errors, I usually just ignore the mistakes people make until it is obvious they do it on purpose (which you didn't)
Cleo and antony were betrayed by that roman who defected antonys plans. Wonder strong about what her tomb could reveal about her life and maybe the battle too. Also if antony inside same tomb room. ?
Thanks God , these stones are shaped in such a way that nobody can say again that these are made by nature , as they say about that underwater monuments in yunaguni japan
Ah - fascinating - thank you Ted. I assume then that George Smith was fluent in Old Persian, or Elamite, or Babylonian. Clever chap. Still, it must have taken him rather more than a wet afternoon to figure it all out :-)
I agree with you Rani. As a woman, the womb shape is the first thing I noticed. I can't understand why others don't reference the magnitude of the significance of this shape. The miracle of birth was exactly that . A miracle. The fact that a woman's internal organs could produce a living human was probably awe-inspiring. Motherhood was well understood. At that time period, I doubt that fatherhood was understood well at all. At least until animal domestication and animal husbandry was a well establish fact. The womb as temple shape probably does seems to indicate some form of spiritual rebirth, whether it be related to seasonal/pastoral, shamanistic initiation, some sort of sacrificial rite or all of the above at specified times. It would at least be a wonderful avenue for exploration. And the theory would fit wonderfully with the concept of Cygnus as path to the afterlife and northerly aligned "seelenloch" or spirit holes.
Good article! There is one aspect that I would like to elaborate a little bit further on:
"we" celebrate Christmas on december 25th, because the Romans ordained so.
But the winter solstice actually lasts from december 21st to january 6th!
That is because, from december 21st on, the sun sets later; but it is not until january 6th that he also rises earlier.
Our "pagan" ancestors already knew that long ago; and that is why there are still places where people uphold all kinds of "Epiphany" traditions.
But -just like Christmas and Easter- those traditions were so deeply rooted, that the catholic church "christened" them, when those traditions turned out to be impossible to eradicate.
An icon looks like a "guy" - This word is "天" (sky, heaven, the high-above, refer to Oracle/Bone Character);
A circle with a cross therein and several dots around - This word is "氣" (air, or "Chi-Gong (氣功)" as you may understand in common English expression)
I have several strong memories that i have no idea if they are from past lives,
one of me in a brown dress, XIX century, in a very snowed city with red buildings i've always connected with Sweden, slipping on some iced steps and falling on my rear and a man by a horse carried sleigh laughing at me, another is my fear since child of explosions, fireworks etc and a fascination with Stalingrad i've never been able to call other thing than Stalingrad and a third of a 'me' as a child dancing at a wedding
Our paper does not speak of religion, shaman or elites. The 93 page paper, The Stonehenge Carvings, discusses the evolution of calendar keeping at Stonehenge. And that's all.
The Aubrey hole circle was a calendar counting device. I have no idea what they used the construction in the centre for. That wasn't needed for calendar keeping.
“I have not done wrong sexually, I have (not) practiced homosexuality”.
The term "homosexuality" is a very modern culture-bound concept that cannot convey an accurate translation of whatever Egyptian term was used.
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It is well established that Niankhkhnum and Khnumhotep shared the title of Overseer of the Manicurists in the Palace of King Niuserre. They were buried together in their joint royal tomb, and depicted intimately touching noses. The fact that they both had wives and children, far from discounting their intimate relationship with each other, actually clues us that, like most ancient cultures, male / male relationships were common and a non-issue as long as they fulfilled their duty to reproduce and care for their offspring.
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Moses had come out of Egypt with many who were in bondage. He left Reuel on good terms. He led all these people to the worship of Yahweh. In the desert, Moses was on good terms with Reuel, as you point out - having given him the organization of judges which Moses appointed. What would Reuel have to want revenge over?
Well, not quite...Serbs were called serves in Roman (and subsequent derived from roman tradition like Venice, etc.) and Byzantine accounts, but not in other. First Serb reference in Roman empire is city Serbonum in modern day city of Gradiška in Serbian republic in 2 AD. First account of Serbs in universally undisputed account is in Frankish "Annales regni francorum" from 822 AD, where they mention Serbs as Sorabos (not serves) for south Serbs as well northern Serbs (still in existence as Luznic Serbs or Sorbs in modern day Germany, occupying part of Bohemia-ancient Bojka, prot Serb land, according to Byzantie emperor Constantinus Porfirogenitus), and those were also written in latin language, same as Roman account but with different name for Serbs, because Francs used Slavic word for Serbs (Sorabos). In other words the name that Serbs use for themselves. In other Slavic accounts like Chronicles of Dalimil (Chech XIV AD) od Nestor's Chronicles (Russian VIII AD), Serbs are called Serbs. You must know that letters V and B were always interchangeable in Roman languages as well in Slavic, so in Spain locals call city of Valencia-Balencia, In west there is Byzantine but in Slavic is "Vitazantija", and in Serbian Cyrilic, sign B is actualy used for letter V and so on. Not just that, in Roman and modern day English, word slave is derived from Slav, (as Slavic people). Two modern countries have names derived from Slav-Slovenija and Slovakia as well as Slavonija region in Croatia and former YugoSLAVIJA and Serbian religion custom SLAVA, although in Slavic languages Slav means something totally different than slave. It derives from old Slavic root: SLOVA- which means word. In Slavic, Slavs are the one who knows how to speak or the ones who knows words-slova, and the rest (in old Slavic times all the rest were it's neighbours Germans) are called Nemci-meaning in Slavic, the ones who are mute (nem-in Slavic). Even today all Slavic people calls Germans Nemci and country of Germany is called Nemačka.
I don't about the Bulgars, but Bulgars are most likely to be settlers from Asia (4-5 AD). Bulgars were slavenized, since Bulgarian language is of Slavic origin and modern Serbs and Bulgars can understand each other if they talk slowly. Almost all Bulgarian Slavic neighbours in Balkans were Serbs, so you do the math who predominantly culturally influenced who, so that Bulgarians forget it's own language (this goes also for "tracian" theory of Bulgarian origin). On the other hand, Serbs were always Slavs, have their ancestry in old Slavic proto country (Luznic Serbs or Sorbs-modern day Germany) and Serbian clerics still learn old Slavic in Religious schools so they are almost only ones who keep old Slavic alive). Furthermore, Serbs are the only ones in Slavic south who take pride in their Slavic heritage as all the other "former" south Slavic nations have new dominant science theory that they derived from ancient Macedonians (modern day Macedonians-of Slavic origin, no relation to ancient Macedonians-Greeks), Croatians (from Germans or, even more ridiculously from Iranians), Montenegrins (from ancient Romans-Diocleans), Bulgars (from Thracians) and Bosniaks (from Iliryans). Needles to say that all of them speak same language as Serbs (apart from Bulgarians and Macedonians, but their language is very similar) and their biggest minority (in all afore mentioned countries is Serbs, apart from Bulgaria), and still they all claim language as their own (as said before apart from Bulgaria), that Serbs "borrowed" ("Romans", "Germans", "Ilyrians" and "ancient Macedinians" claim Slavic language away from Serbs who are only proud of their undoubtfull Slavic heritage? Funny, isn't it?).
As for Vinča culture goes, there is very little possibility that those ancient people have anything to do with modern day Serbs or any modern Balkan nation whatsoever. As for the lettering, few things cross my mind: First, why all scientific circles denounce it as not being a proper writing, when we have clearly signs that resemble modern letters (or Phoenician or Greek) as well as few universally known signs, such as cross, sun, bull (all were letters in ancient writings). How come there is more elaborate signs that are universally known such as svastika? There is signs like this I, II, III, IIII-how come that is not counting? And finally, there is cross with for mirrored letters C (C is S in cyrilic), Serbian coat of arms (even today), that is unlike any other coat of arms in world (see it for yourself). Is that strange or what? And someone said it here before-Vinča culture is just a ancestor of even more old culture-Lepenski Vir culture, also on Danube, and also in Serbia, but that culture is hardly a "civilization". Still, interesting though. Whole Lepenski Vir settlement is now museum covered with Dome, and with magnificent Stone age sculptures on bank of Danube in Serbia.
Jesus is God. Why couldn't he change shapes? He changed and became a man.
April, this is a stunning research and remarkable article. Well wrttten and provides much innovative and new interesting information. Simply brilliant.
I'm somewhat surprised there's no mention of pederasty considering pederasty was so widely practiced across ancient Greece.
For the most part, sexual orientation was an abstract concept that played a small role in defining the ancient Greeks as people. Love was a human condition that individuals experienced for others regardless of that other person's age, sex, or gender. In other words, Eros was a mischievous god that was not bound by today's Jeudo-Christian accepted norms of male-female relations and age.
Cultural sensitivities aside, preserved frescos from that era reveal a dark side of ancient Greece very few researchers have discussed or exposed.
Interesting stuff!
There's probably a relation with the 'Twelfth Night' there (in German it's called: Zwölf Weihnachtstage and there they count from the 25th to the 6th of January).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelfth_Night_(holiday)
Just a quick note on Garys comments. This was quite an analysis, almost a synopsis of what most thinking men and women go through as they wander through life reviewing the big questions. So well done a good post, I enjoyed reading it. I have concluded that Sitchens position on the origins of man have some credibility, but even his interpretations have their detractors, so what to do? Stick to our secular methodology, "science" as much as we can and avoid the belief, paradigms I am sure that is why Enki modified us, questions and hypotheses are our birthright. Lets keep it up and ignore as much as possible the Belief systems like religions and inherited right to power, social models.
Thank you Veronica! This is the uniqueness of Ancient Origins and we are very happy to have readers like you who understand and appreciate this.
4k4 - I had to laugh at your reply. I should hope NO-ONE was comatose, why should they miss a coma? I can understand if a COMMA is missing, but a COMA?!
Even though this article is a few years old, it is still interesting
PS. I am just taking the mickey out of you regarding the errors, I usually just ignore the mistakes people make until it is obvious they do it on purpose (which you didn't)
Cleo and antony were betrayed by that roman who defected antonys plans. Wonder strong about what her tomb could reveal about her life and maybe the battle too. Also if antony inside same tomb room. ?
Thanks God , these stones are shaped in such a way that nobody can say again that these are made by nature , as they say about that underwater monuments in yunaguni japan
Ah - fascinating - thank you Ted. I assume then that George Smith was fluent in Old Persian, or Elamite, or Babylonian. Clever chap. Still, it must have taken him rather more than a wet afternoon to figure it all out :-)
very nice work
I agree with you Rani. As a woman, the womb shape is the first thing I noticed. I can't understand why others don't reference the magnitude of the significance of this shape. The miracle of birth was exactly that . A miracle. The fact that a woman's internal organs could produce a living human was probably awe-inspiring. Motherhood was well understood. At that time period, I doubt that fatherhood was understood well at all. At least until animal domestication and animal husbandry was a well establish fact. The womb as temple shape probably does seems to indicate some form of spiritual rebirth, whether it be related to seasonal/pastoral, shamanistic initiation, some sort of sacrificial rite or all of the above at specified times. It would at least be a wonderful avenue for exploration. And the theory would fit wonderfully with the concept of Cygnus as path to the afterlife and northerly aligned "seelenloch" or spirit holes.
Good article! There is one aspect that I would like to elaborate a little bit further on:
"we" celebrate Christmas on december 25th, because the Romans ordained so.
But the winter solstice actually lasts from december 21st to january 6th!
That is because, from december 21st on, the sun sets later; but it is not until january 6th that he also rises earlier.
Our "pagan" ancestors already knew that long ago; and that is why there are still places where people uphold all kinds of "Epiphany" traditions.
But -just like Christmas and Easter- those traditions were so deeply rooted, that the catholic church "christened" them, when those traditions turned out to be impossible to eradicate.
(in English and Traditional Chinese)
Figure 1 in this report (the rock and the hat)
An icon looks like a "guy" - This word is "天" (sky, heaven, the high-above, refer to Oracle/Bone Character);
A circle with a cross therein and several dots around - This word is "氣" (air, or "Chi-Gong (氣功)" as you may understand in common English expression)
「天氣」
I have several strong memories that i have no idea if they are from past lives,
one of me in a brown dress, XIX century, in a very snowed city with red buildings i've always connected with Sweden, slipping on some iced steps and falling on my rear and a man by a horse carried sleigh laughing at me, another is my fear since child of explosions, fireworks etc and a fascination with Stalingrad i've never been able to call other thing than Stalingrad and a third of a 'me' as a child dancing at a wedding
Our paper does not speak of religion, shaman or elites. The 93 page paper, The Stonehenge Carvings, discusses the evolution of calendar keeping at Stonehenge. And that's all.
The Aubrey hole circle was a calendar counting device. I have no idea what they used the construction in the centre for. That wasn't needed for calendar keeping.
“I have not done wrong sexually, I have (not) practiced homosexuality”.
The term "homosexuality" is a very modern culture-bound concept that cannot convey an accurate translation of whatever Egyptian term was used.
---
It is well established that Niankhkhnum and Khnumhotep shared the title of Overseer of the Manicurists in the Palace of King Niuserre. They were buried together in their joint royal tomb, and depicted intimately touching noses. The fact that they both had wives and children, far from discounting their intimate relationship with each other, actually clues us that, like most ancient cultures, male / male relationships were common and a non-issue as long as they fulfilled their duty to reproduce and care for their offspring.
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