Danube Valley Civilization Artefacts

Is the Danube Valley Civilization script the oldest writing in the world?

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The Danube Valley civilization is one of the oldest civilizations known in Europe. It existed from between 5,500 and 3,500 BC in the Balkans and covered a vast area, in what is now Northern Greece to Slovakia (South to North), and Croatia to Romania (West to East).

During the height of the Danube Valley civilization, it played an important role in south-eastern Europe through the development of copper tools, a writing system, advanced architecture, including two storey houses, and the construction of furniture, such as chairs and tables, all of which occurred while most of Europe was in the middle of the Stone Age. They developed skills such as spinning, weaving, leather processing, clothes manufacturing, and manipulated wood, clay and stone and they invented the wheel. They had an economic, religious and social structure.

One of the more intriguing and hotly debated aspects of the Danube Valley civilization is their supposed written language.  While some archaeologists have maintained that the ‘writing’ is actually just a series of geometric figures and symbols, others have maintained that it has the features of a true writing system.  If this theory is correct, it would make the script the oldest written language ever found, predating the Sumerian writings in Mesopotamia, and possibly even the Dispilio Tablet , which has been dated 5260 BC.

Danube Valley Civilization Artefacts

Danube Valley Civilization Artifacts ( image source )

Harald Haarmann, a German linguistic and cultural scientist, currently vice-president of the Institute of Archaeomythology , and leading specialist in ancient scripts and ancient languages, firmly supports the view that the Danube script is the oldest writing in the world. The tablets that were found are dated to 5,500 BC, and the glyphs on the tablets, according to Haarmann, are a form of language yet to be deciphered. The symbols, which are also called Vinca symbols, have been found in multiple archaeological sites throughout the Danube Valley areas, inscribed on pottery, figurines, spindles and other clay artifacts.

The Vinca Symbols

The Vinca Symbols (Source: Wikipedia)

Danube Valley Civilisation ArtefactThe implications are huge. It could mean that the Danube Valley Civilization predates all other known civilizations today.  Evidence also comes from thousands of artifacts that have been found, such as the odd-looking figure displayed on the left.  However, the majority of Mesopotamian scholars reject Haarmann’s proposal, suggesting that the symbols on the tablets are just decoration.  This is despite the fact that there are approximately 700 different characters, around the same number of symbols used in Egyptian hieroglyphs . Other scholars even suggested that the Danube Civilization must have copied signs and symbols from the Mesopotamian civilizations, despite the fact that some of the Danube tablets have been found to be older that the Mesopotamian ones.

It appears that this is another case of a theory based on solid research being outright rejected without appropriate consideration. Could this be because it conflicts with the accepted view of which nation holds claim to the ‘first civilization’?  At the very least, Haarmann’s proposal deserves further research and serious analysis in order to confirm whether this is indeed the oldest known written language in the world. 

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By John Black

Related Links

Introduction to the Danube Script

The Old European Script – Further Evidence

Sacred Script: Ancient Marks from Old Europe

Old European Script

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Wonder if the Pyramids found in the area has anything to do with it.

Vinca is first civilization in World is located in Serbia.

Just to let you know guys,, the first writing is the Hungarian rovat script ,, what is founding the pyramid in Bosnia .all over in chines pyramids ,, and all he way back to 40.000 BC, If you could found on the net an English researcher who told this after found the Hungarian rovat , on some enchain 12.000 years old,bottles,, the writing is 85% matching up ,and only readable, with the Hungarian rovat script,, if the aliens are existing ,,the Hungarians are those , Hungarians lived in europe, then muved to asia, around 10.000bc .,,inland ,they become the scheetas ,with 7 tribe, then after Mongolians over taking ,we moved back to europe,,left groups behind ,, expl.. Bulgarians,,arrived back 1200 Bc ,, the 3 king who went to see Jesus,wore magars,, on my language magyars,, for some reason , about 150 years earlier the Hapsburg,s got some idea ,to take the Hungarians proud away ,they changed our history ,no to b proud of,,
BUg the New DNA testing dose not ling , and the 40.000 yars old Hungarian writing dose not lying,, eather , just check on yourself,

Depend what you read ,friend !
But....try to not be ridiculous.....

https://books.google.com.sa/books?id=5CQ3verpakQC&pg=PA102&lpg=P...... http://controversialhistory.blogspot.com/2009/04/origin-of-hungarians.ht... http://www.antimoon.com/forum/t9520.htm

The controversy may continue as long as it is feed ,depend upon the person ,researcher or interest but....is no meaning to call early "hungarians" as you can see in second link, the controversy among hungarians is huge! Why ? You may read the book in first link and you will get the explanation why there are several tries for deliberate mystification of history. The history is nice and interesting ,hope the latest scientific discoveries will help to research and understand deep in the past.
Then ,it may be possible that the magyars,hungarians or whatsoever are they called, to find out from where are they comming in Ancient Europe!!!!

there was no concept of "hungarian" in those times...are u aware of what you are saying???? jesus...

there was no concept of "hungarian" in those times...are u aware of what you are saying???? jesus...

Magar, or măgar, in Romanian means donkey, so I'm not sure about being magyars. It's easy to say a lot of bullshit and make up the history that you like, the oppinions are many, the truth is only one. And the truth will soon reveal itself.

...and, long before that, Hungarians created the planets, the sun. the univers...and also, they invented the rain, the air and everything else on planet Earth...and then they move in Asia and live like savages for a few milleniums, and forget every knowledge...common Lotzi, wake up and don't be so ridiculos

...and, long before that, Hungarians created the planets, the sun. the univers...and also, they invented the rain, the air and everything else on planet Earth...and then they move in Asia and live like savages for a few milleniums, and forget every knowledge...common Lotzi, wake up and don't be so ridiculos

Dear propagandistic neighbour...

The people of the world are neither stupid, neither not-informed as you think in your narrow-minded attempt to further propagate such an overstated and outdated programme as the Hungarian self-explanatory historical roots one..

Please be so kind as to not further troll scientific discussion forums with what seems to be 'data', without proper referencing and quotations ! Furthermore, please be so kind as to no longer perpetuate this hateful and xenophobic schedule of constant information placement regarding the so called 'ancient' roots of the magyar people. You and I and most people know that what are now Hungarians living within the boundaries of Hungary contain just a hint of 'Old Magyar' blood and genes. It's not my purpose here to point out to references, as anyone with common sense and a critic eye is able to find them by themselves..

I write from experience when saying that I have encountered this kind of Internet focused trolling on behalf on Hungarian right sided 'ultras', on topics ranging from arts, history, genetic science, ethnology, linguistics, human rights, paleoanthropology & anthropology, even economy and social studies, etc..

Humbly yours, an observer of history !

It is not a first time that westerner "historians" somehow "forget" to mention Serbs...latest, blatant case is this one, since Vinca is a suburb of Belgrade, in the middle of the Serbia, but noone bothers to mention that....not to mention that Vinca culture alphabet have some similarities with Serb alphabet. No, no, no Slavs before 6th century in Balkan that is the rule !!!!!

Do you ?! And you somehow "forget" to mention that the Serbian alphabet originates from Bulgarian.

How come, since Bulgarians are Turcic tribes from Volga river, that mixed with Serbs in the Balkans, who were alredy there. So you are saying that Bulgarians borrowed language from Serbs, but gave them alphabet!? For the record, Serbs are desendants of Illyrius, son of Cadmus, who brought alphabet to Europe/Greeks, from Phoenicia. If you look up to the Vinca letters you will recognize among them Serbian cross with crescents, used still today as symbol of Serbs.

Thank you for the Enlightenment!!! Now I will live a better life knowing, that I am from a Turkic descend! Yakh!
Please make sure you coordinate your thesis with the Macedonians (If there is such nation!?), Romanians, Greeks and Turks who is first!

The present day Bulgaria in the Balkans was created on the territory of Thrace. When the Bulgarians settled there they abdorbed the local population and Assimilated them into their nation but only carrying the nations name. The Bulgarians adopted the language, names and culture of the local population. The original Bulgarians still live around the Ural Mountains in present day Russia. They still speak old Bulgarian which as are the people of Tatar Mongolic stock.

Jovan where were the slavs in the 1st and 2nd century AC ?? Stop talking shit

It is known that people who wrote these tablets belong to vinca civilation.And yes they were located in Serbia and in Romania.

Do you know something about Eneolithic Varna necropolis ? It`s realy interesting!

These are the ancestors of the Bulgarians!

bulgarian tribs come in europe after 1000
the olderst tribs are rtacian and dacians

First off your timeline is very wrong. Protobulgarians like the huns invade europe around 5-6th century. Bulgaria (the Danube one) as it's currently named is formed in the 7th century. after 1000 Bulgaria was already the 2nd most powerful state after the Eastern Roman Empire.

Bulgarians are ancestors of the Thracians. Nobody is a pure descendant of single ethnos anywhere in the world unless you are on an isolated island. However genetic research shows bulgarians to be a mediterranean ethnicity very close to the italians and most slavs.
Culture and ethnicity are very different things however.

Bulgarians came around 700AD true,but they were not the ancestors of thracyans but the other way around thracyans were the older populations there. Dacians were already there when Bulgarians came. They were fighting against Roman Empire hundreds of years before. Bulgarians nowadays are genetically related with Romanians,Greeks and north Italians only because their roots are the same old thracyans. Most probably Bulgarians came there and impose their culture and language but genetically they were assimilated by the existing population,because original Bulgarians have nothing in common with dacians or thracyans. Dacians are ancestors of Romanians,Romania today was named Dacia 2000 years ago,therefore Romanians are one of the oldest population in Europe,they didn't come from nowhere but instead assimilated all the others who migrated on those lands.

Yes sorry I meant "descendants". was half asleep when I wrote that unfortunately.

But you should understand what is called "bulgarian" now is not what was "bulgarian" 1200 or more years ago. It's like equating Hungarians to Huns (that is where the name comes from). The protobulgarians were a small army compared to the people populating today's bulgaria.. In fact the greek historians said the Thracians were the most numerous people on earth. They would not disappear. They were merely romanized (during Roman Empire invasion) and the slavicized.

The protobulgarians were not small army, but in contrary, a huge and powerful, heavily armed, which defeated the Mongols, Byzantines, Latins (IV Crusade, considered invincible).

"original Bulgarians have nothing in common with dacians or thracyans"
nobody knows that for sure. in fact there is very little information on the protobulgarians. but one thing is for sure - they were not mongoloid and that is based on analysis of skull structure. they did perhaps use some form of turkic writing but that doesn't mean they were turkic ethnicity. they were merely in contact with the Khazars and other turkic states and probably adopted some of the culture. They were without doubt indo-european and not turkic.
They have recently found that even the Huns were not really an ethinicity but a confederation. They found skulls that belonged to the Atilla's hunnic army but were germanic with blonde hair. Apparently a lot of tribes just joined the huns - undoubtedly the prospect of pillaging empires appealed to everybody - not just the mongols.

"original Bulgarians have nothing in common with dacians and thracians" This is not true in modern Bulgaria has many words of Thracian origin, also customs, folklore clothing, musical instruments, household items ... Thracians leave from the Danube plain in different directions, even to Egypt and East Asia. Bastet is Thracian princess who goes to Egypt with his entire family. "Lamellar" is Thracian armor that later appeared in Sarmatians :) Attila is dynasty Dulo. Dulo is Bulgarian dynasty. Greeks, Byzantines and Russians replace Bulgarian history, and tried to hide the truth about many events and facts. Even now quite scientists and historians silent about many facts. Ancient authors mention Thracian tribes and Bulgarians as the same people, small Illustrative "Mesia hec & Vulgaria" (Misia,moesia here and Bulgaria)-IV AD. The Moesi are Thracian tribe that even in ancient times was called and Bulgarian. Taka that Thracians crossed the Danube, created powerful states in Russia and Asia and cities from stone, after many years again returned with a huge army in the old lands along the Danube. Constantine IV saw this in the area "Onglos" and some days not dare to attack :)...

well i don't disagree with any of that. even DNA studies show that current bulgarians are closely related to the ancient thracians.

John, the only fact you got right was that Bulgarians found a country Bulgaria in 681 AD. Bulgarians are totally different from Romanians or Dacians.

When the Bulgarians and Slavs came they assimilated the local small population of Tracians tribes. They all lived in piece including with the Eastern Roman Empire which grew to become Bysantian just a little later. Sources date back Tracians just like these article says 5000+ years before AD. In the past 5-10 years In Bulgaria for the first time were found remnants and objects dating back from 7000 years ago. Check some of the comments below for the sites.

Did you know that were at 9 different periods Bulgarian villages (I do not want o call it kingdoms) in the lands of today's Asia?

Read more reliable source before you conclude much. The history in these lands is very interlined and it is easy to state untrue facts.

You said exactly what i said...:))) where is the problem ?

Today's "bulgarians" are not the same as ancient bulgarians. it's like saying that today's brits are equivalent to ancient britons. We are a mix and the predominant ethniciity is thracian and slavic in that order. genetically we are closest to north and central italians. Not surprising that there is a theory that rome was founded by Thracians (Troy was actually populated by Thracians).

Secondly the Eastern Roman empire was NEVER called Byzantium in history. It is just an invention of modern historians to differentiate between the western roman empire and the eastern. It was always called the Eastern Roman Empire or the Roman Empire in historic texts. The citizens were also called "romans".

These artifacts and scrips are ILirian. I personally believe that The Historians are keeping The true ILirian History behind bars.

no they are not

Academia has been well known to keep info supressed and have been quick to silence anyone in almost any means. I hope one day we know the truth about everything that is out there. Also on another note, the Sumerians is not the oldest civilization...period. Writting, language and so much more has been around longer than the Semerians.

Hungarian Danube Valley Civilisation script !
Sumer-Phartus-Hun-Hungarian !!

5500 B.c there were No hungarians there friend..they came around 400AD and they mixed with existing population and today only 5% are pure hungarians...from Attila...the rest are the local population...plus there is no Hungarian culture ...there are no traces anywhere...so sorry:)

I'm sorry about you not knowing a lot of things about our culture... but never too late to learn.

http://www.magtudin.org/Barath_Tibor_The_Early_Hungarians.pdf

https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t430217/

Thanks for the links,check out Ida Bobula,a Hungarian author who wrote a plenty about the apparent Sumerian/Hungarian relation.

the oldest race in the region is the dinaric, the Illyrian tribes and in many old illyrian centers have been found atrefacts older than 3k BC. obviously many races came in that region and even the last migrators want to have a piece of cake but sipmly they are so different.

erm ...that is not that old.
Varna excavations show 5-7K BC old cemetaries with gold artefacts. the first jewelry and first mining of gold thousands of years before the egyptians and sumerians.

that is a derivation of the language from the lost continent of Mu, as described in James Churchward's book "The Lost Symbols of Mu". Fascinating.

@ Lachi M,

Heh, no wonder I recognize those symbols, I have memories of being on the continent of MU. Those
symbols looked SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO familiar, then I saw your comment and it made sense.

I can think of many civilizations and peoples that predate Sumer and the Summerians. MU being one of
them. And if we must chose one that is accepted by mainstream science, Globeki Tepe! And then there is also the sunken city in the bay of India that is 9,000 years old. A whole global population existed for tens to hundreds of thousands of years before Sumer.

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What are all the empty rectangles in the script? Is it in standard Unicode format or something? Those look like Unicode placeholders(where the equivalent character doesn't exist in the characterset being shown) and normally I wouldn't even question it, but seeing a 7,000 year old ancient script displayed in a modern computer-friendly array format was slightly disconcerting, so I just thought I'd ask. Especially since it hasn't been translated....so how would they know which character goes where??

Ehm. The Danube valley civilization is also in North Greece. It's writing is from 5500 BC.
The Dispilio Tablet from Greece is from 5300 BC. That is only but a very small difference.
But not to forget is that Greek writing goes back to not 5300 BC but to 6000 BC. The Yura potteries in Central Greece are even older than the Dispilio tablet and show the earliest signs of the Greek linear writing. The oldest writing in the world.

http://alt.news.macedonia.narkive.com/vAS3H0MY/greek-alphabet-was-in-use...
http://www.e-grammes.gr/article.php?id=4994

Nonsense. Greeks stole the phoenician alphabet and changed it and it was much later.
The thracians were much more advanced than the Greeks in earlier times. Pythagoras himself said he learned everything he knew from the thracians.

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Just finished reading the second link. Wow! Very detailed, highly interesting. Thank you!

https://books.google.com.sa/books?id=5CQ3verpakQC&pg=PA102&lpg=P...

http://controversialhistory.blogspot.com/2009/04/origin-of-hungarians.ht...

http://www.antimoon.com/forum/t9520.htm

The controversy may continue as long as it is feed ,depend upon the person ,researcher or interest but....is no meaning to call early "hungarians" as you can see in second link, the controversy among hungarians is huge! Why ?
You may read the book in first link and you will get the explanation why there are several tries for deliberate mystification of history.
The history is nice and interesting ,hope the latest scientific discoveries will help to understand deep in the past.

I agree 100%. "Hungarians" is meaningless term before the huns as there were no huns in today's Hungary. Of course today's hungarians are a mix of ethnicities and everybody relates to the earliest humans and some of the earliest civilizations if you go back far enough.

Hi,everybody.

Some people who post are less informed.

What about thracians ?
And what about dacians (getae) ? This are daco-romanianan ancestors.

There is no evidence about bulgarians and hungarians ancestors which come very late in the area.

The Iliryans was neighbours of thracians ,same as south greeks.

The ancient greeks fight in Trojans wars and the greeks enemy was helped by thracians.

Thracians tribes are many in the Lower Danube area.

The issue is that we have poor proof of evidence about thracians but....we have something which can't be ignored!

Lets read and enrich our culture,then we can post! Without ridiculous pride !

Bulgarians like Romanians are the true descendants of the thracians. Bulgaria itself hosted the Odryssian Kingdom and it was the center of Thracian civilization with Seuthes as king in today's central Bulgaria.
Bulgarians did not wipe out that ethnicity as the Hungarians did not wipe out the ethnicity now in Hungary. They just had a very capable cavalry and hence they took over the leadership rules and organized both states.

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