In my opinion, I always thought that was the origin of the Christmas Tree. Instead of putting a branch by the door the entire tree came inside to ward off evil.
As a youth, i lived in a small village in Southern Germany. At Christmas time a group of boys would dress Up as Christmas trees. Really primative Christmas trees. They would go into the Forest and cut off shortish branches of pine trees. The branches would be tied to their clothes and hat so you could barely even notice that there was a boy under there. The boys would knock on the villagers doors asking for Christmas money. When you gave them money they would break off a branch and place it in the dirt by the front door. The branch was there to keep the evil spirits away. If you did not pay something really bad would happen. It was so entrenched that it was unthinkable to not pay.
not only are the authors making huge assumptions that it was a male with female mates, there is no way to tell if the smaller footprints were female! Could easily have been a group of males or a group of females surely? This article just shows the prejudices of its authors
Point in fact is that nobody knows the date of Jesus's birth and it has been hotly debated since ancient times, although most historians back then placed the birth between April and May - not December. The reason why Christmas is celebrated on 25 December was a deliberate decision by the Roman Catholic Church. In its attempt to stamp out "heathen" religions (noticeable the belief in a pantheon of gods in Ancient Greece and Rome) the Church vilified their deities: gods become demons; goddesses became witches. They also basically highjacked their religious festivals. At the time the main Greek festival was Saturnalia, a sort of thanksgiving to the god of the harvest, Saturn, for a fruitful planting season. It was a glutinous week long feast with plentiful food. Prisoners were released from jail, servants were served food by their masters and the rich would dote on the poor. It was generally considered a period of kinship and goodwill - as is Christmas. Two other similarities between Saturnalia and Christmas which can't be denied is that Saturnalia was celebrated from the 25th to the 31st of December and on the first day of the festival people would exchange gifts (poor people would also receive gifts from the rich - in essence, charity). Looking at all these facts, it's highly likely that moving Jesus's birth to the start of the Saturnalia was an attempt to erase the importance of the festival (which was the most important one of the year in Ancient Greece) and instill the Church's doctrine in these cultures. With Christianity spreading as Europeans set out on their destructive naval explorations, these indoctrinations stuck to this very day.
The reasoning that this "star" hovered over Bethlehem in December is therefore not a plausible explanation for leading the magi there on the night of 25 December 00. If, as the author stated, the child was already a few months old by that date, it makes more sense as he was definitely not born on that day as modern Christians believe.
Many aspects of Saturnalia remain prominent during Christmas, notably elaborate dinners / lunches, gift giving and goodwill towards the less fortunate.
Well that's fascinating. What wood? I was under the impression the dates were taken from organic material in mortar found between and on stones on the outer layers.
I like the explanations for the different ages, lol. "Yes, we are going to build this gigantic structure, and we are going to use this 400 year old wood to do it," said the Egyptians.
What that really shows is how pointless organic dating is for really determining the age of a structure built of stone. They got a date they didn't like, so they fudged it by exploiting the biggest weakness in the logic of such dating so that it matched what they already thought. Wow, science!
And yet, why didn't they date the other major piece of evidence used to uphold the conventional date of construction, the paint of the Khufu cartouche in Campbell's Chamber? It is supposed to be the ochre paint widely used by Egyptian masons at the time, which certainly had organic material in it. Yet it has never been officially dated. It is pointless to try, we are told, "because so much time has passed that any residual organics in the paint will have decayed and disappeared long ago" an audacious leap of reasoning that is far more faith that logic. "Let's use science to determine the age of this paint!"
"Won't work."
"What, you already tried to do it?"
"No."
"Then how do you know it won't work?"
"Because it's too old"
It would be funny, but they aren't joking.
And of course there is the problem of the Sphinx and the Valley Temple and the quarry marks and the basalt flagstones and about a hundred other things in and around the plateau that individually and collectively indicate that something is dramatically wrong with the orthodox views of the entire complex.
The idea of a "global download" sounds interesting. What did they download that the builders of Gobekli Tepe or Gunung Padang didn't have?
Eric Larson(BethlehemStar.net) seems to have nailed it....Incarnation-Rosh Hashana 3BC;Birth-June2BC; StarIJupiter) STOPS over Bethlehem-25Dec2BC. ff to 3Apr33AD Good Friday with worldwide blackout noted by Sextus Julius Africanus, Tertulian, Phlegan, Thallus.
Actually evolution is a scientific consensus. Not creationism. Interesting that Christians have repeatedly committed the most heinous acts against humanity. I don't see scientists going around in groups killing people. We leave that up to the religious nutballs. Nothing has changed, religion spreads hate not love, intolerance instead of acceptance and apathy instead of empathy. Hypatia's murder was an attack against science as was the burning of Alexandrias scrolls. To this day Christians are still at odds with science. They prefer to believe the utterly absurd than to embrace the sheer wonder and beauty of reality.
they're really jumping the gun on this one. Although the article says the scientists assume the individual was a male, that seems very suspect to me. Early humans are supposed to be, in general, have thicker bones and a wider bone structure, which means if this was a 5'5, 100-ish pound male, he would be very, very lightweight indeed for an early human, and even a modern human male ( a modern human height and weight chart is here https://www.disabled-world.com/artman/publish/height_weight.shtml )
it seems completely probable to me that this could have been a mother and her children as well, given that the height of early humans could vary a great deal from place to place just as human height varies today.
tl;dr the findings are cool but as usual, archaeologists are jumping to wild conclusions and their theory amounts to nothing more than speculation
John, I'd guess you believe this kind of scrambled dis-information, but that's exactly the point of that terminology which has obscured the paradigms of Truth, thru the ages, of many honorable, or beneficial organizations, to the loss of the needy & disparate. The info you give here is so diverse & from so many sources, I cannot hope to dissuade your apparent belief, unless you open your mind & look closely at what you have given forth here. ( Too many sources & too many cross-truths).The Templars were an order established by the Pope of the Catholic church. They did not 'convert' from any other faith, nor did they establish the 'Opus Dei'; a bookish attempt at 'secretiveness' given to you by 'who?', or 'What?', 'Why?', to what end, you must ask yourself. When they dispersed, they went many places, Potrugal was not mentioned in any of my research, but there's no reason to suspect otherwise, 'connections' were just as important then, as now. Same with the other countries you've mentioned.The German contingent of Knights was in place approx. the same time frame as the Templars, in it is believed they were one & the same, as an order. The 'Acadians' ( not Arcadians) were an offshoot of various Protestant groups from France & exiled to Canada & later booted to Lousiana. For this, read 'Rebecca', a required read in High School. These events happened long after the Templar's tribulations. Many nation's flags use a cross form in their design. It is wishful thinking to assume they're all Templar, but does show that a Christian, or a church affiliation by their countrymen, to the world. The Templar cross is indicative of the 'Rose Cross' wich you will observe on the compass' faces & on old maps, & so on. They're also found on the Celtic crosses in Scot & Irish graves. On that subject, if you ck on medieval graves in those countries, once in awhile, a Knight's gravestone was portrayed as the Knight carved full figure & armor, holding a sword. The rumor was that knights were buried with their sword. The problem today, is that all the known ( & found) gravestones were moved from the original & often, remote sites. What is the 'Secret Book' to which you refer? If it isn't cataloged with the Library of Congress, where all of Freemasonry's Rituals have been since 1954, I'd suspect this too, is of farciacal origin. You may know, that the L. Of C's contents are available to the public, at large. While Masons had much to do with the various aspects of the founding of Our Nation, it is because of their attention to detail that the many architects of edifices ,ong standing & their beauty, that we can know, & appreciate them to day. The History Channel, while 'good' at what they present, are not altogether truth giving in it's entirety as they have a program to produce & a 'good story' usually rules what shows; that's business. I wish you well, I only would hope you drop the dirt & dig for the gems in Truths- God Speed!
I think that it could be a representation of the meteor that crashed at that location and transformed the area. Perhaps people who witnessed the original event passed down their description of what happened. The tail would have been the streak in the sky, the head the flash of entry into the atmosphere, and the egg the meteor that struck the Earth.
Humans tend to breed with any available mate. I think the Neanderthals would also exhibit this trait. As for the DNA, I would suggest that there were multiple lines of humanity that could have once been traced to the Neanderthals but the other lines died out over time.
The image of the woman with wings and taloned feet standing on the backs of lions had been disputed for many years. Originally, it was thought to be Lilith (Liltu). Then it was thought to be Ereshkigal and lately, Iannana, Ishtar or an early version of Isis. I doubt we will ever know for certain unless someone who was a native speaker of Sumerian miraculously appears and we no longer need to “translate” the texts.
Gods and goddesses in the ancient world tended to be similar and almost interchangeable. It was not unheard of for one culture to adopt the gods of another. Makes me wonder if there was one, original source that has been lost to us.
I would be curious to know why the Christians abandoned the symbol of the phoenix as it would fit nicely into the resurrection motif. I wonder if it suffered the same fate as the peacock. Early Christians viewed the peacock as a religious symbol as the tail held the all-seeing eye of God. It was abandoned because they were unable to separate the creature from its pagan origins; the belief in the ancient gods was too prevalent at the time.
I totally concure wth your conclusion. I came at it from another angle, in my book. I based the dating upon the date for the Exodus of the Hebrews (Hyksos) and the time of Moses. The Hyksos (Akkadians/Hebrews) were enslaved, according to Manetho, for 430 years after they were successfully usurped. Prior to that period the Hyksos had enslaved the real native Egyptians for 511 years. You arrive at a date similar to what you state, maybe a bit later because dating Moses accurately is also a bit difficult. Estimates for Moses and the Exodus are circa 1200 BCE to 1400 BCE. Remember that it is also said that Moses killed King Og of Bashan who was one of last tetraploid humans in that area although they still exist to this day. My book divulges some of their current locations around the world and within the world, literally.
One should employ several starting points in an attempt to accurately date the construction of the pyramids. I suspect that their extended construction period would also obfuscate the actual date.
Ironically the type of "speaking in tongues" that seems to take place in the modern charismatic movement has nothing whatsoever to do with the description of speaking in tongues found in the New Testament. Having personally seen people "speak in tongues" etc I can say that it was one of the creepiest things I have ever witnessed and seemed to be more about the ego of the person "performing" than anything else.
Interesting article. Some I have heard of but some I have not. It is interesting to note how all men who rise to greatness (whether religious or lay) claim that omens accompanied either their birth or conception.
A comment on Galba’s elief in his omen. It couldn't have been true as he was only emperor of the Roman Empire for 7 months before he was assassinated. (the year of 4 emperors that followed the death of Nero)
The Templars dispersed to Portugal where there great castle/cathedral at Tomar still stands in perfect order. They converted to Catholicism and became the powerful and secretive Opus Dei organistaion of today. Many Templars went to Germany and became the Teutonic Knights and then to Scotland . From there many went to Newfoundland in Canada via Greeland and Iceland where they became known as the Arcadians who from there went to French held Louisiana and are still today famous for their Creole cooking. The Swiss Flag is much the same as the Templar flag and it was there The Templars renewed their banking skills. Even the House of Rothschild has a red cross shield as its emblem and there is a strong Jewish connection in Templar beliefs and bloodlines. See The Royal Secret book to find out much more and how the Templars gave birth to America and its Masonic Founding Fathers whose occult Templar policies still rule US strategies today for NWO domination.
Jacob (Israel) had twelve sons. These twelve sons and their descendants make up the tribes of Israel. Those of the tribe of Levi were the Levites. This of the tribe of Dan were the Danites. Those of the tribe of Benjamin were the Benjaminites. However, those of the tribe of Judah came to be known as the Jews. The term Jew didn't come into use until after the break up the the kingdom of the united Israel. The therm was never used for the ten northern tribes of Israel and that includes the tribe of Dan. There is no question that the tribe of Dan was part of Israel.
Well, two sets of measurements were made of wood used inside the pyramids. One showed about 200 years and the other 400 years older than the consensus age of 2560 BC for the building of Khufu's pyramid. The most common explanation to this is that old wood was used and also that the planning of the giza plateau began already around the activation of the Global Mind in 3115 BCE. If you do not take into consideration the evolutionary waves that drive history people can make up any kind of date for the building of the pyramids and because it is more msyterious to have them be old this is what most people are making up. According to my estimate based on the evolution of the human mind presented in The Global Mind and the Rise of Civilization the most likely date for the building of the Great Pyramid is 2600 BCE.
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In my opinion, I always thought that was the origin of the Christmas Tree. Instead of putting a branch by the door the entire tree came inside to ward off evil.
As a youth, i lived in a small village in Southern Germany. At Christmas time a group of boys would dress Up as Christmas trees. Really primative Christmas trees. They would go into the Forest and cut off shortish branches of pine trees. The branches would be tied to their clothes and hat so you could barely even notice that there was a boy under there. The boys would knock on the villagers doors asking for Christmas money. When you gave them money they would break off a branch and place it in the dirt by the front door. The branch was there to keep the evil spirits away. If you did not pay something really bad would happen. It was so entrenched that it was unthinkable to not pay.
not only are the authors making huge assumptions that it was a male with female mates, there is no way to tell if the smaller footprints were female! Could easily have been a group of males or a group of females surely? This article just shows the prejudices of its authors
Point in fact is that nobody knows the date of Jesus's birth and it has been hotly debated since ancient times, although most historians back then placed the birth between April and May - not December. The reason why Christmas is celebrated on 25 December was a deliberate decision by the Roman Catholic Church. In its attempt to stamp out "heathen" religions (noticeable the belief in a pantheon of gods in Ancient Greece and Rome) the Church vilified their deities: gods become demons; goddesses became witches. They also basically highjacked their religious festivals. At the time the main Greek festival was Saturnalia, a sort of thanksgiving to the god of the harvest, Saturn, for a fruitful planting season. It was a glutinous week long feast with plentiful food. Prisoners were released from jail, servants were served food by their masters and the rich would dote on the poor. It was generally considered a period of kinship and goodwill - as is Christmas. Two other similarities between Saturnalia and Christmas which can't be denied is that Saturnalia was celebrated from the 25th to the 31st of December and on the first day of the festival people would exchange gifts (poor people would also receive gifts from the rich - in essence, charity). Looking at all these facts, it's highly likely that moving Jesus's birth to the start of the Saturnalia was an attempt to erase the importance of the festival (which was the most important one of the year in Ancient Greece) and instill the Church's doctrine in these cultures. With Christianity spreading as Europeans set out on their destructive naval explorations, these indoctrinations stuck to this very day.
The reasoning that this "star" hovered over Bethlehem in December is therefore not a plausible explanation for leading the magi there on the night of 25 December 00. If, as the author stated, the child was already a few months old by that date, it makes more sense as he was definitely not born on that day as modern Christians believe.
Many aspects of Saturnalia remain prominent during Christmas, notably elaborate dinners / lunches, gift giving and goodwill towards the less fortunate.
Well that's fascinating. What wood? I was under the impression the dates were taken from organic material in mortar found between and on stones on the outer layers.
I like the explanations for the different ages, lol. "Yes, we are going to build this gigantic structure, and we are going to use this 400 year old wood to do it," said the Egyptians.
What that really shows is how pointless organic dating is for really determining the age of a structure built of stone. They got a date they didn't like, so they fudged it by exploiting the biggest weakness in the logic of such dating so that it matched what they already thought. Wow, science!
And yet, why didn't they date the other major piece of evidence used to uphold the conventional date of construction, the paint of the Khufu cartouche in Campbell's Chamber? It is supposed to be the ochre paint widely used by Egyptian masons at the time, which certainly had organic material in it. Yet it has never been officially dated. It is pointless to try, we are told, "because so much time has passed that any residual organics in the paint will have decayed and disappeared long ago" an audacious leap of reasoning that is far more faith that logic.
"Let's use science to determine the age of this paint!"
"Won't work."
"What, you already tried to do it?"
"No."
"Then how do you know it won't work?"
"Because it's too old"
It would be funny, but they aren't joking.
And of course there is the problem of the Sphinx and the Valley Temple and the quarry marks and the basalt flagstones and about a hundred other things in and around the plateau that individually and collectively indicate that something is dramatically wrong with the orthodox views of the entire complex.
The idea of a "global download" sounds interesting. What did they download that the builders of Gobekli Tepe or Gunung Padang didn't have?
Eric Larson(BethlehemStar.net) seems to have nailed it....Incarnation-Rosh Hashana 3BC;Birth-June2BC; StarIJupiter) STOPS over Bethlehem-25Dec2BC. ff to 3Apr33AD Good Friday with worldwide blackout noted by Sextus Julius Africanus, Tertulian, Phlegan, Thallus.
Actually evolution is a scientific consensus. Not creationism. Interesting that Christians have repeatedly committed the most heinous acts against humanity. I don't see scientists going around in groups killing people. We leave that up to the religious nutballs. Nothing has changed, religion spreads hate not love, intolerance instead of acceptance and apathy instead of empathy. Hypatia's murder was an attack against science as was the burning of Alexandrias scrolls. To this day Christians are still at odds with science. They prefer to believe the utterly absurd than to embrace the sheer wonder and beauty of reality.
they're really jumping the gun on this one. Although the article says the scientists assume the individual was a male, that seems very suspect to me. Early humans are supposed to be, in general, have thicker bones and a wider bone structure, which means if this was a 5'5, 100-ish pound male, he would be very, very lightweight indeed for an early human, and even a modern human male ( a modern human height and weight chart is here https://www.disabled-world.com/artman/publish/height_weight.shtml )
it seems completely probable to me that this could have been a mother and her children as well, given that the height of early humans could vary a great deal from place to place just as human height varies today.
tl;dr the findings are cool but as usual, archaeologists are jumping to wild conclusions and their theory amounts to nothing more than speculation
John, I'd guess you believe this kind of scrambled dis-information, but that's exactly the point of that terminology which has obscured the paradigms of Truth, thru the ages, of many honorable, or beneficial organizations, to the loss of the needy & disparate. The info you give here is so diverse & from so many sources, I cannot hope to dissuade your apparent belief, unless you open your mind & look closely at what you have given forth here. ( Too many sources & too many cross-truths).The Templars were an order established by the Pope of the Catholic church. They did not 'convert' from any other faith, nor did they establish the 'Opus Dei'; a bookish attempt at 'secretiveness' given to you by 'who?', or 'What?', 'Why?', to what end, you must ask yourself. When they dispersed, they went many places, Potrugal was not mentioned in any of my research, but there's no reason to suspect otherwise, 'connections' were just as important then, as now. Same with the other countries you've mentioned.The German contingent of Knights was in place approx. the same time frame as the Templars, in it is believed they were one & the same, as an order. The 'Acadians' ( not Arcadians) were an offshoot of various Protestant groups from France & exiled to Canada & later booted to Lousiana. For this, read 'Rebecca', a required read in High School. These events happened long after the Templar's tribulations. Many nation's flags use a cross form in their design. It is wishful thinking to assume they're all Templar, but does show that a Christian, or a church affiliation by their countrymen, to the world. The Templar cross is indicative of the 'Rose Cross' wich you will observe on the compass' faces & on old maps, & so on. They're also found on the Celtic crosses in Scot & Irish graves. On that subject, if you ck on medieval graves in those countries, once in awhile, a Knight's gravestone was portrayed as the Knight carved full figure & armor, holding a sword. The rumor was that knights were buried with their sword. The problem today, is that all the known ( & found) gravestones were moved from the original & often, remote sites. What is the 'Secret Book' to which you refer? If it isn't cataloged with the Library of Congress, where all of Freemasonry's Rituals have been since 1954, I'd suspect this too, is of farciacal origin. You may know, that the L. Of C's contents are available to the public, at large. While Masons had much to do with the various aspects of the founding of Our Nation, it is because of their attention to detail that the many architects of edifices ,ong standing & their beauty, that we can know, & appreciate them to day. The History Channel, while 'good' at what they present, are not altogether truth giving in it's entirety as they have a program to produce & a 'good story' usually rules what shows; that's business. I wish you well, I only would hope you drop the dirt & dig for the gems in Truths- God Speed!
I think that it could be a representation of the meteor that crashed at that location and transformed the area. Perhaps people who witnessed the original event passed down their description of what happened. The tail would have been the streak in the sky, the head the flash of entry into the atmosphere, and the egg the meteor that struck the Earth.
Humans tend to breed with any available mate. I think the Neanderthals would also exhibit this trait. As for the DNA, I would suggest that there were multiple lines of humanity that could have once been traced to the Neanderthals but the other lines died out over time.
The image of the woman with wings and taloned feet standing on the backs of lions had been disputed for many years. Originally, it was thought to be Lilith (Liltu). Then it was thought to be Ereshkigal and lately, Iannana, Ishtar or an early version of Isis. I doubt we will ever know for certain unless someone who was a native speaker of Sumerian miraculously appears and we no longer need to “translate” the texts.
Gods and goddesses in the ancient world tended to be similar and almost interchangeable. It was not unheard of for one culture to adopt the gods of another. Makes me wonder if there was one, original source that has been lost to us.
I would be curious to know why the Christians abandoned the symbol of the phoenix as it would fit nicely into the resurrection motif. I wonder if it suffered the same fate as the peacock. Early Christians viewed the peacock as a religious symbol as the tail held the all-seeing eye of God. It was abandoned because they were unable to separate the creature from its pagan origins; the belief in the ancient gods was too prevalent at the time.
I totally concure wth your conclusion. I came at it from another angle, in my book. I based the dating upon the date for the Exodus of the Hebrews (Hyksos) and the time of Moses. The Hyksos (Akkadians/Hebrews) were enslaved, according to Manetho, for 430 years after they were successfully usurped. Prior to that period the Hyksos had enslaved the real native Egyptians for 511 years. You arrive at a date similar to what you state, maybe a bit later because dating Moses accurately is also a bit difficult. Estimates for Moses and the Exodus are circa 1200 BCE to 1400 BCE. Remember that it is also said that Moses killed King Og of Bashan who was one of last tetraploid humans in that area although they still exist to this day. My book divulges some of their current locations around the world and within the world, literally.
One should employ several starting points in an attempt to accurately date the construction of the pyramids. I suspect that their extended construction period would also obfuscate the actual date.
Ironically the type of "speaking in tongues" that seems to take place in the modern charismatic movement has nothing whatsoever to do with the description of speaking in tongues found in the New Testament. Having personally seen people "speak in tongues" etc I can say that it was one of the creepiest things I have ever witnessed and seemed to be more about the ego of the person "performing" than anything else.
Interesting article. Some I have heard of but some I have not. It is interesting to note how all men who rise to greatness (whether religious or lay) claim that omens accompanied either their birth or conception.
A comment on Galba’s elief in his omen. It couldn't have been true as he was only emperor of the Roman Empire for 7 months before he was assassinated. (the year of 4 emperors that followed the death of Nero)
The Templars dispersed to Portugal where there great castle/cathedral at Tomar still stands in perfect order. They converted to Catholicism and became the powerful and secretive Opus Dei organistaion of today. Many Templars went to Germany and became the Teutonic Knights and then to Scotland . From there many went to Newfoundland in Canada via Greeland and Iceland where they became known as the Arcadians who from there went to French held Louisiana and are still today famous for their Creole cooking. The Swiss Flag is much the same as the Templar flag and it was there The Templars renewed their banking skills. Even the House of Rothschild has a red cross shield as its emblem and there is a strong Jewish connection in Templar beliefs and bloodlines. See The Royal Secret book to find out much more and how the Templars gave birth to America and its Masonic Founding Fathers whose occult Templar policies still rule US strategies today for NWO domination.
Is there someone on this forum who has more insight into the Bandrui? If so, please could we get in touch? Thanks
Jacob (Israel) had twelve sons. These twelve sons and their descendants make up the tribes of Israel. Those of the tribe of Levi were the Levites. This of the tribe of Dan were the Danites. Those of the tribe of Benjamin were the Benjaminites. However, those of the tribe of Judah came to be known as the Jews. The term Jew didn't come into use until after the break up the the kingdom of the united Israel. The therm was never used for the ten northern tribes of Israel and that includes the tribe of Dan. There is no question that the tribe of Dan was part of Israel.
Well, two sets of measurements were made of wood used inside the pyramids. One showed about 200 years and the other 400 years older than the consensus age of 2560 BC for the building of Khufu's pyramid. The most common explanation to this is that old wood was used and also that the planning of the giza plateau began already around the activation of the Global Mind in 3115 BCE. If you do not take into consideration the evolutionary waves that drive history people can make up any kind of date for the building of the pyramids and because it is more msyterious to have them be old this is what most people are making up. According to my estimate based on the evolution of the human mind presented in The Global Mind and the Rise of Civilization the most likely date for the building of the Great Pyramid is 2600 BCE.
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