Regarding Dates for GITA’S ORIGIN The Internal evidence clearly shows it was written after 500 AD Premise 1: Vasubandhu – Tibetian / Chinese lived between 4th and 5th century AD Budhist Monk from Gandhara He wrote the famous VIGNANA VADA
Premise 2 Brahma Sutra 2:2: 28-32 says it was written to refute VIGNANA VADA along with others Details in the link https://www.swami-krishnananda.org/bs_2/bs_2-2-04.html You can verify this with other commentary/ translation as well, viz.. Shankara
Premise 3: What does Gita say 13:5: ऋषिभिर्बहुधा गीतं छन्दोभिर्विविधै: पृथक् | ब्रह्मसूत्रपदैश्चैव हेतुमद्भिर्विनिश्चितै: || 5 ||
SO CONCLUSION So as per GITA – Brahma Sutra already exists, But Brahma sutra says, it was written to refute the challenge of vignana vada of vasubandhu, But Vasubandhu was born in 5th Century AD
SO when do you think Gita was written..?
No doubt you do not get any old manuscripts, because there isn't any, Gita's Antiquity is just a bluff of Sanatana Dharma ideologues
Just an update on my previous post. When the UFO & Consciousness show came to Manchester in 2017 it took place across from where i had witnessed the hovering UFO in 1999, given my own faith life i don’t think this was a coincidence. I had a letter published in the secular press on the subject on the feast of the Assumption Of The Blessed Virgin Mary.
Johnathan Cahn shows us (Harbinger 2) how the past is linked to the future. Hudson founded Manhattan on 9/11/1609, they started building the Pentagon on 9/11/1941 and Americas enemies brought the twin towers down on 9/11/2001. Three thousand years earlier the chosen Jews had their Fortress destroyed by their enemies and on its re-building used the same words from Isiah as were used at ground zero. Nineteen years after the destruction they suffered a plague as a shaking, likewise Covid19 has arrived in similar fashion.
Pastor Dana Coverstone had a prophetic dream last December whereby he saw inside a chinese lab, then he saw hospitals and people wearing masks, then he saw rioting with a picture of George Floyd. This came true. In June he had another dream where a figure pointed to September on the calendar, then a fist hit November where he saw worse rioting than before with gunfire and many people sick with Covid. Here in the UK there has been a sharp upturn in infections sine early September, i believe this is the start of a second wave.
The book, Across Atantic Ice, explores the evidence of Solutrean travelers coming from the Iberian peninsula to the East coast of the USA about 20,000 years ago, and as far south as Florida by following the edge of the ice sheet which extended much further south at that time. The manufacture of arrowheads and other stone artifacts, different from the stone tools found in the Western US suggests they are different people and a different culture, and arrived several thousand years before the people coming from the Northwest. Evidence is also found when fishing boats, dragging the ocean floor of the Continental Shelf, which used to be the coastline before the raising of ocean levels by several hundred feet, has yielded stone artifacts worked by humans, and similar to the technology of stone articles found in Spain and France. The natural tendency of people is to live near oceans, or other bodies of water if they live inland.
Copper mines in Michigan suggest someone was mining copper for bronze way back then.
You also have these cocaine mummies from ancient Egypt.
I think it looks like many people have come here off and on. They traded for a while but eventually the way was lost until it was rediscovered hundreds of years later.
Some people also appear to have made one way trips. Genetic studies are turning up all kinds of stuff. The Cherokees appear to have a middle eastern origin. I haven't even touched upon
South America.
Columbus did lead the way for the first sustained settlement. He discovered it for us.
Interesting article thank you for sharing for some reason this article reminded me of The Book Before the Mayflower it's on my too Read List.
I think I believed Columbus discovered America October 11, 1492, up until High School. Honestly, I can't say what changed for me in the idea of Columbus discovering America.
I lost interest in that part of history I wouldn't gain it back till I gained a brilliant History Teacher who taught me the following What is the Significance of 1492?
1492, King Ferdinand and Queen Isabel unite and kick the Moors out from Spain.
Queen Isabel and King Ferdinand promotes the idea of Spanish Pride into Spain.
Catholicism is brought back and the notorious Spanish Inquisition Begins in 1492, archeological and anthropology sites in Mexico prove The Inquisition was brought to the America's.
1492, Spain embarks on the African Slave trade along with Portugal and so begins the Nightmare of The Middle Passage The Mid-Atlantic Slave trade too The America's.
1492, The Spanish Crown charges Columbus with following responsibility:
1. Search for Trade Route to India
2. Introduce Catholicism to India
3. Carry African Slaves on Columbus Ships where they're too plant crops such as Sugar Cane in India.
4. Claim India for Spain.
Columbus never found that Trade Route to India he simply landed on one of the Islands near Florida called the people on the Islands Indians and began practicing The Spanish Inquisition onto the Native Population and the African Slaves from the Ship's.
It took me a while to get the Significance of the Poster Homeland Security fighting since 1492.
Thanks to my History Teacher I know why now.
So what do I think of Columbus Discovery well The America's wasn't Lost it was Columbus.
Don’t let anyone in the Chinese Communist Party read this. They would probably use it to claim North America as part of their ‘ancestral lands’ as they are trying tpo do with vast parts of Asia.
And, if Warwick needs proof, how about the ‘cocaine mummies’ in Egypt and the copper that came from Michigan and ended up in the Old World? Those things didn’t just fly over on their own. Just because we dion’t know specific names of those early visitors does not prove they were not here.
Is something truly "discovered" if the discovery is not shared with other people ??
When we say "discovered" we are referring to new information being passed into the realm of shared knowledge.
The native Americans may have inhabited the land but they did not have any concept of it being a separate continent with other lands and people existing outside of it.
Columbus "discovered" it as a new part of the world unknown to his culture beforehand.
The evidence for Chinese Greek or Welsh explorers having reached America is at best flimsy at worst entirely fanciful.
Viking attempts at settlement seem to have failed to be effective and the secrecy and deciptive nature of their efforts left the "discovery" unknown to the broader community.
Leaving the "discovery" a private matter that didn't contribute to humanities understanding of the globe.
Columbus expanded knowledge for the benefit and furtherment of all navigators and map makers.
His exploration opened the door to a flood of new ideas and possibilities.
This is what defines it as a discovery.
Anatolia, or the real First Rome, Romania, really was the cradle of civilization, a huge state, united on land before the breakthrough of the Bosporus by sea and the division of this state. The Black Sea, formerly the Russian Sea, named Rus-Ukraine, should not be confused with the artificially created "Russia" in 1721 on the site of the post-Jordanian Moscow ulus kingdom. Ukrainians used to be called antas.
Anatolia, or the real First Rome, Romania, really was the cradle of civilization, a huge state, united on land before the breakthrough of the Bosporus by sea and the division of this state. The Black Sea, formerly the Russian Sea, named Rus-Ukraine, should not be confused with the artificially created "Russia" in 1721 on the site of the post-Jordanian Moscow ulus kingdom. Ukrainians used to be called antas.
A flood affected. "Alexandria, Beirut, Cairo, Egypt, Italy, and Jerusalem"10-12k years ago? Those cities were either not in existence then or barely even an unnamed collection of huts. If anything resembling a city was in existence at that time a flood of this enormous size would have erased any sign of it.
It seems 2 me that a solid wall of water 60+ feet high and miles n miles wide would not leave a "hi water mark " on a pyramid ,it would obliterate it and push the blocks of stone miles from their supposed location 11k years ago. Likewise with the Sphinx. While i find this great flood theory interesting n worthy of research, it also proves,indirectly,that the pyramids etc were Not there at the time proposed as the flood would have washed any structures above ground far away.
I am the world’s leading authority on the occult, which simply means hidden knowledge. I am not an occultist but was a member of a secret society over 40 years ago. I never divulged any of their secrets. I wrote Secrets of the Pink Kush which details EXACTLY what 666 and the New World Order means, among many other things including the exact biological makeup of the gods/tetraploid humans. This qualifies me to say this article is fantasy and/or just another cover story for the Venetian/Luciferian conspiracy. The three sixes means three six gods or TRIPLE GODDESS. All of this symbolism and the conspiracy is orchestrated by the HIDDEN ONES, the tetraploid humans called the Serpent People.
The 666 sequence is based upon the trinity and is the symbolism for a deceitt based civilization.This is a Luciferian (Venetian) matriarchal society which is also known as the New World Order. Satan is 5, Lucifer is 6, God is 7. The TRINITY is God, Satan and Lucifer or the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. The trinity is supposed to be balanced with the 5,6 and 7.
The 21 gun salute is another exmple of this ancient symbolism. A 21 gun salute is a military honour which consists of 3 sets of 7 gunshots. This is 777 which represents the soldiers ascent into Heaven.
The 666 means a one sided matriarchal slave based system. Deceit must be employed to implement such a system due to its inherently sinister and misandrist nature.
The gematra you refer to is using the numbers of the Hebrew alphabet as numbers and the spelling of Nero Ceasar added up to 666. But that is tribial pursuits and not scientific. The function of 666 as outlined in the article above particularly with the equation with 1260 X 666 and divided by 2300 shows that the biblical writers were sophisticated mathematicians, which they never got recognition for because no one knew about the secret formulas. Michael Hearns (author) .
I read “ History Decoded” by Sweatman & found it fascinating. If it is true as the philosopher avers that we can see as far into the future as we know of the past, then the book is more than an evening read competing with television or film. .. I felt a sense of humanity with these people from long ago who cared about the future, who or what comes next. ... good, good read
It's interesting to wonder about the moment humans first learned dogs could be useful in the hunt, but I find domestication less interesting than the love our ancestors showed to these valuable canines.
It's the development of a relationship with dogs that's very, very important to understand. We consider dogs as pets in our current environment, but they seem to be always so close to their wild nature.
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Regarding Dates for GITA’S ORIGIN
The Internal evidence clearly shows it was written after 500 AD
Premise 1:
Vasubandhu – Tibetian / Chinese lived between 4th and 5th century AD
Budhist Monk from Gandhara
He wrote the famous VIGNANA VADA
Premise 2
Brahma Sutra 2:2: 28-32 says it was written to refute VIGNANA VADA along with others
Details in the link
https://www.swami-krishnananda.org/bs_2/bs_2-2-04.html
You can verify this with other commentary/ translation as well, viz.. Shankara
Premise 3:
What does Gita say 13:5:
ऋषिभिर्बहुधा गीतं छन्दोभिर्विविधै: पृथक् |
ब्रह्मसूत्रपदैश्चैव हेतुमद्भिर्विनिश्चितै: || 5 ||
ṛiṣhibhir bahudhā gītaṁ chhandobhir vividhaiḥ pṛithak
brahma-sūtra-padaiśh chaiva hetumadbhir viniśhchitaiḥ
SO CONCLUSION
So as per GITA – Brahma Sutra already exists,
But Brahma sutra says, it was written to refute the challenge of vignana vada of vasubandhu,
But Vasubandhu was born in 5th Century AD
SO when do you think Gita was written..?
No doubt you do not get any old manuscripts, because there isn't any,
Gita's Antiquity is just a bluff of Sanatana Dharma ideologues
Just an update on my previous post. When the UFO & Consciousness show came to Manchester in 2017 it took place across from where i had witnessed the hovering UFO in 1999, given my own faith life i don’t think this was a coincidence. I had a letter published in the secular press on the subject on the feast of the Assumption Of The Blessed Virgin Mary.
Johnathan Cahn shows us (Harbinger 2) how the past is linked to the future. Hudson founded Manhattan on 9/11/1609, they started building the Pentagon on 9/11/1941 and Americas enemies brought the twin towers down on 9/11/2001. Three thousand years earlier the chosen Jews had their Fortress destroyed by their enemies and on its re-building used the same words from Isiah as were used at ground zero. Nineteen years after the destruction they suffered a plague as a shaking, likewise Covid19 has arrived in similar fashion.
Pastor Dana Coverstone had a prophetic dream last December whereby he saw inside a chinese lab, then he saw hospitals and people wearing masks, then he saw rioting with a picture of George Floyd. This came true. In June he had another dream where a figure pointed to September on the calendar, then a fist hit November where he saw worse rioting than before with gunfire and many people sick with Covid. Here in the UK there has been a sharp upturn in infections sine early September, i believe this is the start of a second wave.
The book, Across Atantic Ice, explores the evidence of Solutrean travelers coming from the Iberian peninsula to the East coast of the USA about 20,000 years ago, and as far south as Florida by following the edge of the ice sheet which extended much further south at that time. The manufacture of arrowheads and other stone artifacts, different from the stone tools found in the Western US suggests they are different people and a different culture, and arrived several thousand years before the people coming from the Northwest. Evidence is also found when fishing boats, dragging the ocean floor of the Continental Shelf, which used to be the coastline before the raising of ocean levels by several hundred feet, has yielded stone artifacts worked by humans, and similar to the technology of stone articles found in Spain and France. The natural tendency of people is to live near oceans, or other bodies of water if they live inland.
Copper mines in Michigan suggest someone was mining copper for bronze way back then.
You also have these cocaine mummies from ancient Egypt.
I think it looks like many people have come here off and on. They traded for a while but eventually the way was lost until it was rediscovered hundreds of years later.
Some people also appear to have made one way trips. Genetic studies are turning up all kinds of stuff. The Cherokees appear to have a middle eastern origin. I haven't even touched upon
South America.
Columbus did lead the way for the first sustained settlement. He discovered it for us.
The History of India Podcast by Kit Patrick totally deserves to be on this list.
Do those Mandan boats look like coracles?
Hello Alicia,
Interesting article thank you for sharing for some reason this article reminded me of The Book Before the Mayflower it's on my too Read List.
I think I believed Columbus discovered America October 11, 1492, up until High School. Honestly, I can't say what changed for me in the idea of Columbus discovering America.
I lost interest in that part of history I wouldn't gain it back till I gained a brilliant History Teacher who taught me the following What is the Significance of 1492?
1492, King Ferdinand and Queen Isabel unite and kick the Moors out from Spain.
Queen Isabel and King Ferdinand promotes the idea of Spanish Pride into Spain.
Catholicism is brought back and the notorious Spanish Inquisition Begins in 1492, archeological and anthropology sites in Mexico prove The Inquisition was brought to the America's.
1492, Spain embarks on the African Slave trade along with Portugal and so begins the Nightmare of The Middle Passage The Mid-Atlantic Slave trade too The America's.
1492, The Spanish Crown charges Columbus with following responsibility:
1. Search for Trade Route to India
2. Introduce Catholicism to India
3. Carry African Slaves on Columbus Ships where they're too plant crops such as Sugar Cane in India.
4. Claim India for Spain.
Columbus never found that Trade Route to India he simply landed on one of the Islands near Florida called the people on the Islands Indians and began practicing The Spanish Inquisition onto the Native Population and the African Slaves from the Ship's.
It took me a while to get the Significance of the Poster Homeland Security fighting since 1492.
Thanks to my History Teacher I know why now.
So what do I think of Columbus Discovery well The America's wasn't Lost it was Columbus.
Don’t let anyone in the Chinese Communist Party read this. They would probably use it to claim North America as part of their ‘ancestral lands’ as they are trying tpo do with vast parts of Asia.
And, if Warwick needs proof, how about the ‘cocaine mummies’ in Egypt and the copper that came from Michigan and ended up in the Old World? Those things didn’t just fly over on their own. Just because we dion’t know specific names of those early visitors does not prove they were not here.
Is something truly "discovered" if the discovery is not shared with other people ??
When we say "discovered" we are referring to new information being passed into the realm of shared knowledge.
The native Americans may have inhabited the land but they did not have any concept of it being a separate continent with other lands and people existing outside of it.
Columbus "discovered" it as a new part of the world unknown to his culture beforehand.
The evidence for Chinese Greek or Welsh explorers having reached America is at best flimsy at worst entirely fanciful.
Viking attempts at settlement seem to have failed to be effective and the secrecy and deciptive nature of their efforts left the "discovery" unknown to the broader community.
Leaving the "discovery" a private matter that didn't contribute to humanities understanding of the globe.
Columbus expanded knowledge for the benefit and furtherment of all navigators and map makers.
His exploration opened the door to a flood of new ideas and possibilities.
This is what defines it as a discovery.
Some of the Norse/Dane DNA in the Irish today would surely be Anglo-Norman.
Anatolia, or the real First Rome, Romania, really was the cradle of civilization, a huge state, united on land before the breakthrough of the Bosporus by sea and the division of this state. The Black Sea, formerly the Russian Sea, named Rus-Ukraine, should not be confused with the artificially created "Russia" in 1721 on the site of the post-Jordanian Moscow ulus kingdom. Ukrainians used to be called antas.
Anatolia, or the real First Rome, Romania, really was the cradle of civilization, a huge state, united on land before the breakthrough of the Bosporus by sea and the division of this state. The Black Sea, formerly the Russian Sea, named Rus-Ukraine, should not be confused with the artificially created "Russia" in 1721 on the site of the post-Jordanian Moscow ulus kingdom. Ukrainians used to be called antas.
A flood affected. "Alexandria, Beirut, Cairo, Egypt, Italy, and Jerusalem"10-12k years ago? Those cities were either not in existence then or barely even an unnamed collection of huts. If anything resembling a city was in existence at that time a flood of this enormous size would have erased any sign of it.
It seems 2 me that a solid wall of water 60+ feet high and miles n miles wide would not leave a "hi water mark " on a pyramid ,it would obliterate it and push the blocks of stone miles from their supposed location 11k years ago. Likewise with the Sphinx. While i find this great flood theory interesting n worthy of research, it also proves,indirectly,that the pyramids etc were Not there at the time proposed as the flood would have washed any structures above ground far away.
I am the world’s leading authority on the occult, which simply means hidden knowledge. I am not an occultist but was a member of a secret society over 40 years ago. I never divulged any of their secrets. I wrote Secrets of the Pink Kush which details EXACTLY what 666 and the New World Order means, among many other things including the exact biological makeup of the gods/tetraploid humans. This qualifies me to say this article is fantasy and/or just another cover story for the Venetian/Luciferian conspiracy. The three sixes means three six gods or TRIPLE GODDESS. All of this symbolism and the conspiracy is orchestrated by the HIDDEN ONES, the tetraploid humans called the Serpent People.
The 666 sequence is based upon the trinity and is the symbolism for a deceitt based civilization.This is a Luciferian (Venetian) matriarchal society which is also known as the New World Order. Satan is 5, Lucifer is 6, God is 7. The TRINITY is God, Satan and Lucifer or the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. The trinity is supposed to be balanced with the 5,6 and 7.
The 21 gun salute is another exmple of this ancient symbolism. A 21 gun salute is a military honour which consists of 3 sets of 7 gunshots. This is 777 which represents the soldiers ascent into Heaven.
The 666 means a one sided matriarchal slave based system. Deceit must be employed to implement such a system due to its inherently sinister and misandrist nature.
Gobekli Tepe is an Above-ground Man-cave Shoring-university.
Stonehenge is a Stone-age Cave-shoring Branch-campus.
T-Pillars-shoring and Lintels-shoring for Caves taught.
Every shore-Caveman knows it. Why don’t you?
Cave-creatures Kids-carved during Class.
Homes went wood. Schools closed.
Gobekli Tepe is an Above-ground Man-cave Shoring-university.
Stonehenge is a Stone-age Cave-shoring Branch-campus.
T-Pillars-shoring and Lintels-shoring for Caves taught.
Every shore-Caveman knows it. Why don’t you?
Cave-creatures Kids-carved during Class.
Homes went wood. Schools closed.
Meine,
The gematra you refer to is using the numbers of the Hebrew alphabet as numbers and the spelling of Nero Ceasar added up to 666. But that is tribial pursuits and not scientific. The function of 666 as outlined in the article above particularly with the equation with 1260 X 666 and divided by 2300 shows that the biblical writers were sophisticated mathematicians, which they never got recognition for because no one knew about the secret formulas. Michael Hearns (author) .
I read “ History Decoded” by Sweatman & found it fascinating. If it is true as the philosopher avers that we can see as far into the future as we know of the past, then the book is more than an evening read competing with television or film. .. I felt a sense of humanity with these people from long ago who cared about the future, who or what comes next. ... good, good read
It's interesting to wonder about the moment humans first learned dogs could be useful in the hunt, but I find domestication less interesting than the love our ancestors showed to these valuable canines.
It's the development of a relationship with dogs that's very, very important to understand. We consider dogs as pets in our current environment, but they seem to be always so close to their wild nature.
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