PONTIFICATION ; In any form
Some folks just don’t get it. Personally I visit this site to read the articles & posted comments. All to help & expand my understanding, to learn. I have learnt a lot, have been challenged, ask my own questions, do some research after reading & discover new information. I have discovered that there are others who have entertained similar concepts, ideas, conclusions as myself. Wonderful I say. Just exactly what is wrong about this?
With this particular articule, I found it to be very interesting and informative. Something I had not thought of & properly would not have. After reading I did some research, looked at some maps & ended up asking myself- “WHY NOT”? This is the idea I believe. To share information, knowledge & wisdom.
If I choose to take on, learn about faith, religions or am looking for a church to join, I will read said books, watch religious programing on the ‘idiot box’ (tv). Visit seek out the various churchs, temples, the holy sites of worship. This site exists to inform, challenge us, encouraged to ask our own questions, add insights & expand the written articles. Providing perhaps the means to approach things differently. I do not want to live with the concept of “FEAR THE STRANGER, the STRANGE, the UNKNOWN”.
I don’t visit to read/ listen to the pontification, religious lecturing. When I read some of the comments posted with various articules & the return comments, the language & tone used really doesn’t do anything other then make the commentators hateful, raising their anger. I shake my head asking myself- why do people continue to choose to dwell in the/their cave of ignorance?
This does not mean to say that articules could be written/posted about the various world wide faiths, religions, traditions, oral stories. But it is important to separate this from the “personal”. Keep the pontification, the preaching, the “thou are more holier then thee” out of it. The articules or comments.
“A lie told long enough & loud enough becomes a truth”. Truth & peace does not come at the receiving end or a gun, sword, knife , arrow &/or when combined with fear, threats & intimidation.
It gets tiring reading all of this religious prattle. As Pink Floyd said, “ It’s like banging your head against some mad buggers wall”. Gives you nothing but a headache.
Wow, I'm glad Sherlock is on the case! Don't things contract when they cool? I know ice displaces a greater volume than water thereby taking up more room when it freezes but other things shrink. An earth expanding is kind of silly. Are we now a star burning up to a larger cooler volume? Maybe Sherlock had one too many? As far as the earth collecting water from space..........why that would mean a perfect vacuum can exist along with a pressurized container with no barrier to separate the two. There's that magic Gravity again. Go Holmes! Go Holmes!
What is so difficult with the understanding that God was made known in the flesh and seen of angels? Why do people confuse titles with individuals and count them as separate entities. I am a father and a son who can also be describes as an invisible soul wrapped in flesh......spirit if you will. Does that mean there are three of me? The fact that Jews rejected Jesus as God manifested in flesh has no bearing on the singularity of who he is. If you wanted to be technical, it was the Spirit that overshadowed Mary.......so the third person is the father if you go down false religions path. There is a reason why the child born and the son given is the Mighty God and the Everlasting Father. There is no other one......emphasis on One.
I see it. The croc was accepted by another more ancient culture as having godly powers, being known even then to be of ancient origin, a long term survivor, that to John dee would gain his respect. Yet i do forget what culture.
You're probably right. I should have said that they "went" underground. Mention of actual giants has dropped off over the last thousand years. The last reasonable documentation of an actual, living "double toothed" giant was written hundreds of years ago.
When people claim to have found giant remains, the follow-up claim is then, that the remains have been stolen or otherwise relocated, delegating the claim to the realm of urban myth. If false, then oh well. If true, I shudder to think what geneticists are doing with the dna.
When I was a child, I was exploring some cliffs with friends in upstate NY. We found a big rock that had been pushed up by the roots of a large tree. Air was being sucked inward through a hole next to the rock. We dug until we fit through and found ourselves in a cave. The walls were high and unusually smooth. 40 or 50 feet in, the cave ended at a rock that appeared to have been cut to fit the cave exactly. We played for a while, then left and went fishing. That night at around 1:00 in the morning there was a loud boom that rattled cups and Windows and such. Three days later, we went back to explore the cave but the opening, including the big tree, had been buried by earth and boulders. Too much weirdness, too many coincidences.
Stories like these mean little to most but to the teller, they are evidence of questions that are screaming to be answered. Consider the urban myth of the Denver airport's astronomical construction costs and duration and the claim that there are giant tunnels underneath. If there are still giants, they likely would have a hard time surviving on the surface. It's not unheard of that some people are forced to live inside due to the harsh conditions of their environment. It is good that you have, at least, acknowledged that they did indeed exist.
Hi Rush. Interetsting comments. I don't know where one could find a high-quality image of Senemut’s tomb, though there are high-quality images of some statues of him here: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Senenmut. Sorry I couldn’t be of more help.
Shawn, my point was to counter using Saiko's logic. So many make the effort to say God does not exist when in reality you cannot prove that scientifically or otherwise. Their doubts and attempts to disprove the existence of God reflect the weakness of conjecture........by writing down the foolish statement, they remove the veil of their contempt while trying to hide behind the word "science".
" Stop thinking inside the box and open your minds to the possibility that the improbable is exactly what happened."
In order for people to think outside the box, they must pull their head out of their box, first.
I really see nothing absurd or ignorant with anything posted here. We are all talking about a topic which is virtually unknown to all but the few whom know/hide the ancient facts.
IMHO we must determine the origin(s) of humankind before we can even scratch the surface regarding the origin of the universe. We are analogously like an earthworm contemplating the origins of man.
I agree with the Sherlock Holmes quote: "How often have I said to you that when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth".
However, the truth has been absconded from our perusal (E.g. Gnostic Scriptures; the unedited Kolbrin Bible; the Sumerian Cuneiform tablets, the Library of Alexandria). We cannot objectively conclude the origins of anything with the mere faith of subjective hypothesis.
Sheer intellect by ancients is proven to us by all their constructive evidence, left behind. They did many things we cannot duplicate today. They did not have the distractions we do with all the expansions our own tech has done. These lines were made so they could travel in their deemed wasteland without deviation, quickly. Romans had roads.for overall better infrastructure, similarily.
There is nothing absurd about saying God made the universe. Since we know from science that the universe is not eternal, that space/time/matter are co-relative, and that energy and matter can not create themselves, something outside of our universe and its physical laws is the most plausible 'First Cause' for the effect of time/space/matter, coming into existence. A transcendent supernatural intelligence - God - is the most reasonable "First Cause" for our universe.
Material Natural Atheist Evolution's dedication to the proposal that there was nothing, then that nothing blew up, and then the nothing that blew up ordered itself into highly complex systems for no reason but chance, is an utter mystery to actual science. If you want to assert that your world creation myth is somehow based on scientific fact and reason, please tell us what repeated observations and scientific experiments you used to establish your belief that something can come from nothing, that life can come from non-living matter?
Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth.
Regarding trinities there is the shamanic triad in Egypt's initiation texts, too. Here they are Asar (Osiris), Ra, and Hor (Horus). The initiate is Asar which is why he is portrayed as a mostly mummified person, excepting his head. That is, his body is dead, but his consciousness survives. Asar is in transition. That his consciousness persists after initiatory/actual death is why he is colored a fecund green.
If Asar (i.e. the initiate) continually rises toward/surrenders to the golden light (Ra) and he becomes Ra then he returns to earth as someone enlightened/initiated, or Hor (Horus). Both Ra and Hor are depicted in exceptionally similar ways...as falcon-headed humans. The idea here is that the falcon touches both the earth and the sky. The falcon can fly toward the light, yet land back on earth again. Falcons have keen sight and have the perspective of the eye in the sky, and the earthly realm. This is the famous "Eye of Hor (Horus)" that is the "third eye" of other religious systems. The difference between Ra and Hor is that Ra remains in the sky, as father, while his newborn son, the initiated, Hor, returns to earth as son. Asar, of course, is "Holy Ghost."
We the Native Of Aotearoa, or New Zealand have always know Earth was a female element (Mother) named Papa-tu-a-nuku. Sky father Ranginui. They descended from Io, the Creator, who had TE Kore(The Nothing)... TE Po (the Dark/Night.. Many stages of night... Then TE Aomarama... With the stages of day.. Stars .. Planets..to Earth named above. Sky Father and Earth Mother hugged so tight, that Thier children could not grow in this dark condensed environment. They had turns trying to push them apart.. Tangaroa, The sea.. Etc....it was Tane the Forest ( a giant tree) who succeeded.. Then there was light..and life, the Earth thrived...we descend from that... This is a very simple version of our geneology passed down since creation. Totally believe and know that Earth is Indeed Mother..
Definitely! It's been a frequently reacquainted tale. The 1870s treasure hunter Pat Smith is said to have fount evidence, and in the 1930s two treasure hunters died in their attempt to find the lost treasure. They even made a movie about it in 2006, The Tillamook Treasure. And those blocks of beeswax are more like chunks, in addition to shards of china and wood.
I have just got a bit muddled, I thought I read this post on the trinity discussion. Here is a small speal on Stonehenge – Cancer. Good logical simplicity in you thought process. All would have started simple too in observation and grew to over complexity. I think the real good stuff and truth passes through time. Stonehenge is part of a traditional global design representing one of the zodiac signs. It is understood that the zodiac corresponds to the parts of the Celestial body of which each sign is an anatomical zone and all together make up the complete body. We now know that there are also Earth zodiacs with the corresponding signs generally represented with animal figures correlating to anatomy. The Father as a body is rather obvious and well defined, although traditionally this was considered a full body surrounding our planet and is more obvious through neighbouring cosmology. Biblical scripture took on a stance and worked with the acceptance of gender opposing the Egyptian Nut as a Celestial Mother and defined the Celestial body as a Father figure. This also simplified the concept as far as structure, placing a singular God as a universal structure. They however express the big message and acceptance of the Earthly anatomy as Israel being the zone of the womb and the Virgo region of anatomy. The global anatomy is one of the most lost messages, so obvious once seen and is expressed as the Holy Spirit; all references are terrestrial and refer to the spring of all life forms on Earth.
Quote One text is the Gospel of Thomas which is part of the newly discovered Nag Hammadi texts (discovered 1945-1947). Most are composed about the same time as the Biblical gospels in the 1st and 2nd century AD. In this gospel, Jesus declares that his disciples must hate their earthly parents (as in Luke 14:26) but love the Father and Mother as he does, "for my mother (gave me falsehood), but (my) true Mother gave me life." In another Nag Hammadi discovery, The Secret Book of James, Jesus refers to himself as "the son of the Holy Spirit." These bodies are well recorded globally; the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit.
This is an old fact. There were several large lakes in the region, fed by the Mississippi and other rivers. The Earthquake that split the Earth and created the Puerto Trench devastated the Mountain Range that held the Ocean at bay.
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PONTIFICATION ; In any form
Some folks just don’t get it. Personally I visit this site to read the articles & posted comments. All to help & expand my understanding, to learn. I have learnt a lot, have been challenged, ask my own questions, do some research after reading & discover new information. I have discovered that there are others who have entertained similar concepts, ideas, conclusions as myself. Wonderful I say. Just exactly what is wrong about this?
With this particular articule, I found it to be very interesting and informative. Something I had not thought of & properly would not have. After reading I did some research, looked at some maps & ended up asking myself- “WHY NOT”? This is the idea I believe. To share information, knowledge & wisdom.
If I choose to take on, learn about faith, religions or am looking for a church to join, I will read said books, watch religious programing on the ‘idiot box’ (tv). Visit seek out the various churchs, temples, the holy sites of worship. This site exists to inform, challenge us, encouraged to ask our own questions, add insights & expand the written articles. Providing perhaps the means to approach things differently. I do not want to live with the concept of “FEAR THE STRANGER, the STRANGE, the UNKNOWN”.
I don’t visit to read/ listen to the pontification, religious lecturing. When I read some of the comments posted with various articules & the return comments, the language & tone used really doesn’t do anything other then make the commentators hateful, raising their anger. I shake my head asking myself- why do people continue to choose to dwell in the/their cave of ignorance?
This does not mean to say that articules could be written/posted about the various world wide faiths, religions, traditions, oral stories. But it is important to separate this from the “personal”. Keep the pontification, the preaching, the “thou are more holier then thee” out of it. The articules or comments.
“A lie told long enough & loud enough becomes a truth”. Truth & peace does not come at the receiving end or a gun, sword, knife , arrow &/or when combined with fear, threats & intimidation.
It gets tiring reading all of this religious prattle. As Pink Floyd said, “ It’s like banging your head against some mad buggers wall”. Gives you nothing but a headache.
Wow, I'm glad Sherlock is on the case! Don't things contract when they cool? I know ice displaces a greater volume than water thereby taking up more room when it freezes but other things shrink. An earth expanding is kind of silly. Are we now a star burning up to a larger cooler volume? Maybe Sherlock had one too many? As far as the earth collecting water from space..........why that would mean a perfect vacuum can exist along with a pressurized container with no barrier to separate the two. There's that magic Gravity again. Go Holmes! Go Holmes!
What is so difficult with the understanding that God was made known in the flesh and seen of angels? Why do people confuse titles with individuals and count them as separate entities. I am a father and a son who can also be describes as an invisible soul wrapped in flesh......spirit if you will. Does that mean there are three of me? The fact that Jews rejected Jesus as God manifested in flesh has no bearing on the singularity of who he is. If you wanted to be technical, it was the Spirit that overshadowed Mary.......so the third person is the father if you go down false religions path. There is a reason why the child born and the son given is the Mighty God and the Everlasting Father. There is no other one......emphasis on One.
Hey Namemphesh, I ate the same thing, but it made me very thirsty and I got an upset stomach for DAYS.
I see it. The croc was accepted by another more ancient culture as having godly powers, being known even then to be of ancient origin, a long term survivor, that to John dee would gain his respect. Yet i do forget what culture.
You're probably right. I should have said that they "went" underground. Mention of actual giants has dropped off over the last thousand years. The last reasonable documentation of an actual, living "double toothed" giant was written hundreds of years ago.
When people claim to have found giant remains, the follow-up claim is then, that the remains have been stolen or otherwise relocated, delegating the claim to the realm of urban myth. If false, then oh well. If true, I shudder to think what geneticists are doing with the dna.
When I was a child, I was exploring some cliffs with friends in upstate NY. We found a big rock that had been pushed up by the roots of a large tree. Air was being sucked inward through a hole next to the rock. We dug until we fit through and found ourselves in a cave. The walls were high and unusually smooth. 40 or 50 feet in, the cave ended at a rock that appeared to have been cut to fit the cave exactly. We played for a while, then left and went fishing. That night at around 1:00 in the morning there was a loud boom that rattled cups and Windows and such. Three days later, we went back to explore the cave but the opening, including the big tree, had been buried by earth and boulders. Too much weirdness, too many coincidences.
Stories like these mean little to most but to the teller, they are evidence of questions that are screaming to be answered. Consider the urban myth of the Denver airport's astronomical construction costs and duration and the claim that there are giant tunnels underneath. If there are still giants, they likely would have a hard time surviving on the surface. It's not unheard of that some people are forced to live inside due to the harsh conditions of their environment. It is good that you have, at least, acknowledged that they did indeed exist.
Hi Rush. Interetsting comments. I don't know where one could find a high-quality image of Senemut’s tomb, though there are high-quality images of some statues of him here: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Senenmut. Sorry I couldn’t be of more help.
Mark Miller
Shawn, my point was to counter using Saiko's logic. So many make the effort to say God does not exist when in reality you cannot prove that scientifically or otherwise. Their doubts and attempts to disprove the existence of God reflect the weakness of conjecture........by writing down the foolish statement, they remove the veil of their contempt while trying to hide behind the word "science".
" Stop thinking inside the box and open your minds to the possibility that the improbable is exactly what happened."
In order for people to think outside the box, they must pull their head out of their box, first.
I really see nothing absurd or ignorant with anything posted here. We are all talking about a topic which is virtually unknown to all but the few whom know/hide the ancient facts.
IMHO we must determine the origin(s) of humankind before we can even scratch the surface regarding the origin of the universe. We are analogously like an earthworm contemplating the origins of man.
I agree with the Sherlock Holmes quote: "How often have I said to you that when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth".
However, the truth has been absconded from our perusal (E.g. Gnostic Scriptures; the unedited Kolbrin Bible; the Sumerian Cuneiform tablets, the Library of Alexandria). We cannot objectively conclude the origins of anything with the mere faith of subjective hypothesis.
Sheer intellect by ancients is proven to us by all their constructive evidence, left behind. They did many things we cannot duplicate today. They did not have the distractions we do with all the expansions our own tech has done. These lines were made so they could travel in their deemed wasteland without deviation, quickly. Romans had roads.for overall better infrastructure, similarily.
There is nothing absurd about saying God made the universe. Since we know from science that the universe is not eternal, that space/time/matter are co-relative, and that energy and matter can not create themselves, something outside of our universe and its physical laws is the most plausible 'First Cause' for the effect of time/space/matter, coming into existence. A transcendent supernatural intelligence - God - is the most reasonable "First Cause" for our universe.
Material Natural Atheist Evolution's dedication to the proposal that there was nothing, then that nothing blew up, and then the nothing that blew up ordered itself into highly complex systems for no reason but chance, is an utter mystery to actual science. If you want to assert that your world creation myth is somehow based on scientific fact and reason, please tell us what repeated observations and scientific experiments you used to establish your belief that something can come from nothing, that life can come from non-living matter?
Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth.
Regarding trinities there is the shamanic triad in Egypt's initiation texts, too. Here they are Asar (Osiris), Ra, and Hor (Horus). The initiate is Asar which is why he is portrayed as a mostly mummified person, excepting his head. That is, his body is dead, but his consciousness survives. Asar is in transition. That his consciousness persists after initiatory/actual death is why he is colored a fecund green.
If Asar (i.e. the initiate) continually rises toward/surrenders to the golden light (Ra) and he becomes Ra then he returns to earth as someone enlightened/initiated, or Hor (Horus). Both Ra and Hor are depicted in exceptionally similar ways...as falcon-headed humans. The idea here is that the falcon touches both the earth and the sky. The falcon can fly toward the light, yet land back on earth again. Falcons have keen sight and have the perspective of the eye in the sky, and the earthly realm. This is the famous "Eye of Hor (Horus)" that is the "third eye" of other religious systems. The difference between Ra and Hor is that Ra remains in the sky, as father, while his newborn son, the initiated, Hor, returns to earth as son. Asar, of course, is "Holy Ghost."
Yours, in service,
Jason
yikes.. i'd not take anything from the book of mormon as any form of Gospel
We the Native Of Aotearoa, or New Zealand have always know Earth was a female element (Mother) named Papa-tu-a-nuku. Sky father Ranginui. They descended from Io, the Creator, who had TE Kore(The Nothing)... TE Po (the Dark/Night.. Many stages of night... Then TE Aomarama... With the stages of day.. Stars .. Planets..to Earth named above. Sky Father and Earth Mother hugged so tight, that Thier children could not grow in this dark condensed environment. They had turns trying to push them apart.. Tangaroa, The sea.. Etc....it was Tane the Forest ( a giant tree) who succeeded.. Then there was light..and life, the Earth thrived...we descend from that... This is a very simple version of our geneology passed down since creation. Totally believe and know that Earth is Indeed Mother..
Definitely! It's been a frequently reacquainted tale. The 1870s treasure hunter Pat Smith is said to have fount evidence, and in the 1930s two treasure hunters died in their attempt to find the lost treasure. They even made a movie about it in 2006, The Tillamook Treasure. And those blocks of beeswax are more like chunks, in addition to shards of china and wood.
Maurice Druon created the story of the malediction, it doesn't appear anywhere else. But very good story, indeed. :)
Hi Barry,
I have just got a bit muddled, I thought I read this post on the trinity discussion. Here is a small speal on Stonehenge – Cancer. Good logical simplicity in you thought process. All would have started simple too in observation and grew to over complexity. I think the real good stuff and truth passes through time.
Stonehenge is part of a traditional global design representing one of the zodiac signs. It is understood that the zodiac corresponds to the parts of the Celestial body of which each sign is an anatomical zone and all together make up the complete body. We now know that there are also Earth zodiacs with the corresponding signs generally represented with animal figures correlating to anatomy.
The Father as a body is rather obvious and well defined, although traditionally this was considered a full body surrounding our planet and is more obvious through neighbouring cosmology. Biblical scripture took on a stance and worked with the acceptance of gender opposing the Egyptian Nut as a Celestial Mother and defined the Celestial body as a Father figure. This also simplified the concept as far as structure, placing a singular God as a universal structure. They however express the big message and acceptance of the Earthly anatomy as Israel being the zone of the womb and the Virgo region of anatomy.
The global anatomy is one of the most lost messages, so obvious once seen and is expressed as the Holy Spirit; all references are terrestrial and refer to the spring of all life forms on Earth.
Quote
One text is the Gospel of Thomas which is part of the newly discovered Nag Hammadi texts (discovered 1945-1947). Most are composed about the same time as the Biblical gospels in the 1st and 2nd century AD. In this gospel, Jesus declares that his disciples must hate their earthly parents (as in Luke 14:26) but love the Father and Mother as he does, "for my mother (gave me falsehood), but (my) true Mother gave me life." In another Nag Hammadi discovery, The Secret Book of James, Jesus refers to himself as "the son of the Holy Spirit."
These bodies are well recorded globally; the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit.
It is about Earth coordinates..hippo lion is afrika and drako is china
Global coordinates were divided in the 12 Signs from east to west
This is how carthography of the egypt dynasties worked
So Gilgamesh might be about certain nations under the coordinates
This is an old fact. There were several large lakes in the region, fed by the Mississippi and other rivers. The Earthquake that split the Earth and created the Puerto Trench devastated the Mountain Range that held the Ocean at bay.
They are underground....because they are dead.
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