Cudos to AO for putting up this article. It obviously touches some sore spots with the ‘young earth’ adherents, but it’s a fascinating article and worthy of a more thorough investigation as these sonar photos are from around 1995 I believe. Mainistream archaeology won’t touch it with a 10 foot shovel right alongside the Bosnian pyramid. But it points more and more to the likelihood that human ‘civilization’, and in fact advanced civilization, is cyclical and not linear as mainstream archaeology would have us believe. But the ooparts are piling up. They can no longer hide them.
Expanding earth is a logical theory too. It was originally presented by the same man who presented the Pangea theory. Mainstream ‘science’ cherry-picked the Pangea part and discarded the expanding earth model. But alongside the expanding earth model is the plasma core model too. It explains the increase in water/matter. Maybe science will catch up someday and we’ll finally be on to something.
Meanwhile this ‘underwater city’ need more investigation. Heck, they photgraphed the Titanic! What’s holding them up? It’s been well over a decade since its discovery.
the Ionic, the Aeolic, and the Doric (greeks ancestors) were not pelasgians. They came from Caspian Sea zone and mixed very intimately with the civilized peoples they overwhelmed. They destroyed the rest of Mycenaean civilation including Troy. They spreaded along the coasts of the Mediteranean Sea being blocked in North by macedonians and thracians. They took the alphabet and the knowledges ( Olympus legends including) from the people they conquer and from
Hair is your spiritual connection, to bring out your spirit gifts. The Native Americans do believe that the hair is their spirit, regardless of what certain commenters feel.
The Unified Field of God,and the God Calculus, shows that the hair increases your personal area without an increase in mass, but it is alive and connected, thus unbalancing your soul towards the Light half(the Holy Spirit part of you). Your magnetic part (dark energy)being the cause of hardness and density, and your Light half being Your Life.
I have personally experienced this, as I grew my hair my intuitive sense expands.
Why do we think the forces of Mammon(materialism), frowns on it to the point of ridicule?
At that time were no greeks in Europe. Dont make confusion. Greeks, nomad, savage people came to Elada 1000BC-700BC. The biggest impostors in the hystori
No, you're just looking for an excuse to treat Africans as subhuman. I'm amazed you can look yourself in the eye in your bathroom mirror every day.
All this means is we were mistaken about when humans began migrating from Africa. And you cannot say there is no genetic link between Russians and whatever other human group. We're all linked to one another in some way. Mitochondrial DNA, Y-chromosome DNA, whatever. We could not cross-breed if we were not the same species or very close to it.
Get over yourself. Whiteness is nothing more than an adaptation to less available winter sun and may not even be that--some people think it's a mutation borne of poor diet, since whiteness as a stable trait is only about 10,000 years old and would have coincided with the western agricultural revolution. Nothing to be prideful or boastful about. Nothing you need to protect. It is just a skin color. You should be more concerned with preserving your culture. If you still have one, and I doubt it--if there were anything interesting about your life at all, you wouldn't need to be a stinking racist.
Her tomb is out there,, secluded underground well. with many riches of gold, as it was with her people in abundance, as well as brass. I bet she is in her full armor as she would want herself displayed in afterlife.
Her role as a warrior is much more exhaulting than her role as a leader, but they are both halves of same lady :) Perhaps look for a mound or strange stone as a plain marker, only noticing that, it has been there, a long time. It would be a Great pursuit :) ! use deep sonar.
Gentlemen debating the theory of evolution verses creation, have you read the philosophy of the New Perspective? This is a bridge between the subjects as both subjects are about trying to explain how life works. The theory of creation explains how life has evolved on Earth, but so to the Earth has evolved and the galaxy formations have evolved and still evolving. We now recognise the different phases the planets are in and their life-cycle, we recognise the different life-cycle phases our multiple galaxies are in. Life has evolved to larger life forms expressed traditionally as bodies, human enlargements and these structure now like parents have influential effects on life on Earth. The modern theory and life-cycle of the planets are similar to the biblical theory genesis to revelations the life-cycle of the planets. Your debate is not relevant to this thread and so I invite you to the thread in the religious section.
We are a Metis family living in southern Ontario. We have a large garden every year and I am a seed collector. I would love to add this variety of squash to my garden this year. I see a link that says similar traditional seeds but is this variety available? I will check the link that was provided and see what it has to offer.
Irrefutable proof? Can you give an example of what you would consider to be ”irrefutable proof”?
The base stance for humans is that we don’t know anything the world/universe. What is the most reasonable way known to find out things about the world/universe we live in? Study them using the scientific method - anything else is way too arbitrary. The studies done about the age of the Earth conducted using these methods (for example radiometric dating and carbon-14 dating) points to the Earth being about 4.6 billion years old.
”The topic of radiometric dating has received some of the most vicious attacks by young earth creation science theorists. However, none of the criticisms of young earth creationists have any scientific merit. Radiometric dating remains a reliable scientific method.” - See more at: http://www.oldearth.org/radiometricdating.htm
That quote even comes from a site ran by people who claim to be ”Biblical Creationists”.
The link above funnily enough refutes claims about the method made by Kent Hovind (his movies we were recommended by David Keller in the post I reacted to above).
”The mystery of God was revealed in flesh, seen for the first time by celestial beings referred to as Angels. Told of to the world and believed on........you either accept that or you do not.”
And where is the evidence for that? How do we know it’s about ”the mystery of God”? I never understand how some can be so sceptical about all the scientific method finds, but when it comes to other things gullibility seems to be perfectly fine. :-|
It may seem like wanton butchery at first glance, but may have had reasons that have yet to be fully grasped by modern day historians and archaeologists.
I'm currently re-visiting some earlier thoughts re Silbury Hill, possibly even Stonehenge, in which 'decarnation' (Silbury) or 'excarnation' (Stonehenge) may provide a rationale for why they appeared and fairly quickly disappeared in late-Neolithic history. More thought needs to be given to the problems associated witn the transition from hunter/gatherer to settled crop growing/animal husbandry lifestyle, considering factors like safe but respectful disposal of the dead while not forgetting the strategies for winter survival and much else besides.
It was an entirely different world, one that requires on this site a degree of thinking out of the box - with particular attention to life's (and death's) practicalities.
One thing's for certain - there was no place for today's finer sensibilities re 'civilized conduct' .The imperative was year-round survival - like knowing where the next meal was coming from, with a 'waste not, want not' philosophy. Nope I'm not suggesting cannabilsim, nor necrophagy, at least not primary necrophagy.
Am presently consulting an expert in the field (hoping he will respond to my email!). Maybe more to come, if I get an answer...
Hi Carl. Thanks for writing in. These “places of emergence” in native cosmongony range as far north as the U.S. Southwest and possibly farther. Were the mushrooms from these caves psilocybin?
Cave ritualism on an elite level is evident as early as 1000 B.C. at the Olmec influenced site of Chalcatzingo, near the Valley of Mexico (Pasztory, 1997:90). Archaeologist Brent Woodfil and Jon Spenard (personal communication with both archaeologists) found ceramic mushroom pots in the Candelaria cave system in the San Francisco Hills near the lowland Maya site of Cancuén, Petén, Guatemala (Spenard, M.A thesis, 2006). The caves investigated in the south region of the Guatemalan Highlands include Saber, CHOC-05, Ocox, and Cabeza de Tepezquintle. According to Spenard, "Ocox is a canyon-like system that runs through a large hill with a rock shelter component at its northern-most extent....Ocox is a Q'eqchi Mayan word for mushroom, a reference to the large quantity of mushrooms that are growing from the floor of the rock shelter." These sacred caves may have been believed to be either the legendary Chicomoztoc, the name given for the place of mythical origin of the ancient Mayas, Toltec and Aztecs, or a place revered locally as a "place of emergence." (Woodfill,2002. Spenard, personal communication, 2011). source..http://www.mushroomstone.com/partibreaking.htm
Has anyone noticed that detail "...the skulls, leg bones, and rib bones were arranged into separate piles"? That would mean the bodies weren't merely beheaded and dumped, but that they were instead actually partially butchered post-mortem. That is beyond mere execution: it indicates ritualistic behavior (or some combatant victors with conflict closure issues).
Perhaps someone can correct me, but among the peoples of the British Isles (indigenous and immigrant) of the early Middle Ages, I don't recall reading about the Saxons being all that much into such refined, time-consuming savagery in their treatment of the dead. Perhaps further research can inform us of the types of weapons used in the execution and, more tellingly, if the instruments used to kill the men were of the same type as those used to dismember them.
Spanish chronicles document that when the Aztecs spoke of their history it was always said that they had been preceded by a marvelous people who called themselves Toltec, the people from Tollan, where political dynasties throughout Mesoamerica claimed decent from the rulers of a city called Tollan (Teotihuacan?). In a letter from Viceroy Antonio de Mendoza to Fernandez de Oviedo, a historian collecting material for his history of the Indies in 1541, Mendoza denied ever having thought that the Aztecs, in their migration from their mythical homeland of Aztlan, had been led by their patron god Huitzilopochtli into the Valley of Mexico. In fact, Mendoza claims that the Aztecs had been led by a god and wise man called "Quetzalcoatl", and that there was some confusion, and Quetzalcoatl had always been the intended leader.(Conquest, by Hugh Thomas 1993 p.185). As for the Aztec warrior god Huitzilopochtli, he seems to have occupied a place of importance only among the Aztecs (Caso, 1958 p.33-34). Sources identify him as the Blue Quetzalcoatl (see Below) painted blue the color of the blue sky, or sky of the day, and the color of human sacrifice. Huitzilopochtli like Quetzalcoatl represents the incarnation of the sun who defeats the Lord of the Night or Lord of the Underworld each day by sacrificing himself in the underworld in order to keep mankind alive and prevent the gods of darkness or the underworld from destroying the sun (Alfonso Caso, 1958, p.33). source http://www.mushroomstone.com/thefleurdelissymbol.htm
Just a small note of interest, but the moon is considered yin and the sun is yang. So just to have the metaphor you used fit in a better manner, it would really be better if you changed it around. It's really just very, very strange for a person who's grown up with yin and yang concepts to read the moon referred to as yang and the sun as yin.
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Cudos to AO for putting up this article. It obviously touches some sore spots with the ‘young earth’ adherents, but it’s a fascinating article and worthy of a more thorough investigation as these sonar photos are from around 1995 I believe. Mainistream archaeology won’t touch it with a 10 foot shovel right alongside the Bosnian pyramid. But it points more and more to the likelihood that human ‘civilization’, and in fact advanced civilization, is cyclical and not linear as mainstream archaeology would have us believe. But the ooparts are piling up. They can no longer hide them.
Expanding earth is a logical theory too. It was originally presented by the same man who presented the Pangea theory. Mainstream ‘science’ cherry-picked the Pangea part and discarded the expanding earth model. But alongside the expanding earth model is the plasma core model too. It explains the increase in water/matter. Maybe science will catch up someday and we’ll finally be on to something.
Meanwhile this ‘underwater city’ need more investigation. Heck, they photgraphed the Titanic! What’s holding them up? It’s been well over a decade since its discovery.
the Ionic, the Aeolic, and the Doric (greeks ancestors) were not pelasgians. They came from Caspian Sea zone and mixed very intimately with the civilized peoples they overwhelmed. They destroyed the rest of Mycenaean civilation including Troy. They spreaded along the coasts of the Mediteranean Sea being blocked in North by macedonians and thracians. They took the alphabet and the knowledges ( Olympus legends including) from the people they conquer and from
Hair is your spiritual connection, to bring out your spirit gifts. The Native Americans do believe that the hair is their spirit, regardless of what certain commenters feel.
The Unified Field of God,and the God Calculus, shows that the hair increases your personal area without an increase in mass, but it is alive and connected, thus unbalancing your soul towards the Light half(the Holy Spirit part of you). Your magnetic part (dark energy)being the cause of hardness and density, and your Light half being Your Life.
I have personally experienced this, as I grew my hair my intuitive sense expands.
Why do we think the forces of Mammon(materialism), frowns on it to the point of ridicule?
We are the result of genetical engineering processes led by our Creators
At that time were no greeks in Europe. Dont make confusion. Greeks, nomad, savage people came to Elada 1000BC-700BC. The biggest impostors in the hystori
No, you're just looking for an excuse to treat Africans as subhuman. I'm amazed you can look yourself in the eye in your bathroom mirror every day.
All this means is we were mistaken about when humans began migrating from Africa. And you cannot say there is no genetic link between Russians and whatever other human group. We're all linked to one another in some way. Mitochondrial DNA, Y-chromosome DNA, whatever. We could not cross-breed if we were not the same species or very close to it.
Get over yourself. Whiteness is nothing more than an adaptation to less available winter sun and may not even be that--some people think it's a mutation borne of poor diet, since whiteness as a stable trait is only about 10,000 years old and would have coincided with the western agricultural revolution. Nothing to be prideful or boastful about. Nothing you need to protect. It is just a skin color. You should be more concerned with preserving your culture. If you still have one, and I doubt it--if there were anything interesting about your life at all, you wouldn't need to be a stinking racist.
Cheers.
Her tomb is out there,, secluded underground well. with many riches of gold, as it was with her people in abundance, as well as brass. I bet she is in her full armor as she would want herself displayed in afterlife.
Her role as a warrior is much more exhaulting than her role as a leader, but they are both halves of same lady :) Perhaps look for a mound or strange stone as a plain marker, only noticing that, it has been there, a long time. It would be a Great pursuit :) ! use deep sonar.
i would say i believe Nefertiti was still alive, after death of Akhenatan
Gentlemen debating the theory of evolution verses creation, have you read the philosophy of the New Perspective? This is a bridge between the subjects as both subjects are about trying to explain how life works. The theory of creation explains how life has evolved on Earth, but so to the Earth has evolved and the galaxy formations have evolved and still evolving. We now recognise the different phases the planets are in and their life-cycle, we recognise the different life-cycle phases our multiple galaxies are in. Life has evolved to larger life forms expressed traditionally as bodies, human enlargements and these structure now like parents have influential effects on life on Earth. The modern theory and life-cycle of the planets are similar to the biblical theory genesis to revelations the life-cycle of the planets.
Your debate is not relevant to this thread and so I invite you to the thread in the religious section.
We are a Metis family living in southern Ontario. We have a large garden every year and I am a seed collector. I would love to add this variety of squash to my garden this year. I see a link that says similar traditional seeds but is this variety available? I will check the link that was provided and see what it has to offer.
Don't insult Neanderthals.
@Jeff1311
Irrefutable proof? Can you give an example of what you would consider to be ”irrefutable proof”?
The base stance for humans is that we don’t know anything the world/universe. What is the most reasonable way known to find out things about the world/universe we live in? Study them using the scientific method - anything else is way too arbitrary. The studies done about the age of the Earth conducted using these methods (for example radiometric dating and carbon-14 dating) points to the Earth being about 4.6 billion years old.
”The topic of radiometric dating has received some of the most vicious attacks by young earth creation science theorists. However, none of the criticisms of young earth creationists have any scientific merit. Radiometric dating remains a reliable scientific method.” - See more at: http://www.oldearth.org/radiometricdating.htm
That quote even comes from a site ran by people who claim to be ”Biblical Creationists”.
We also have the carbon-14 method.
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/hovind/howgood-c14.html
The link above funnily enough refutes claims about the method made by Kent Hovind (his movies we were recommended by David Keller in the post I reacted to above).
This is also educational: ”How do scientists determine the age of dinosaur bones?”:
http://science.howstuffworks.com/environmental/earth/geology/dinosaur-bo...
Etc.
There’s a lot to read about this out there.
”The mystery of God was revealed in flesh, seen for the first time by celestial beings referred to as Angels. Told of to the world and believed on........you either accept that or you do not.”
And where is the evidence for that? How do we know it’s about ”the mystery of God”? I never understand how some can be so sceptical about all the scientific method finds, but when it comes to other things gullibility seems to be perfectly fine. :-|
Well spotted ProfC!
Dismemberment of corpses, gruesome though it may seem to the modern eye, is an established tradiiton in Britain going back to Neolithic times.
http://www.tutorhunt.com/resource/358/
It may seem like wanton butchery at first glance, but may have had reasons that have yet to be fully grasped by modern day historians and archaeologists.
I'm currently re-visiting some earlier thoughts re Silbury Hill, possibly even Stonehenge, in which 'decarnation' (Silbury) or 'excarnation' (Stonehenge) may provide a rationale for why they appeared and fairly quickly disappeared in late-Neolithic history. More thought needs to be given to the problems associated witn the transition from hunter/gatherer to settled crop growing/animal husbandry lifestyle, considering factors like safe but respectful disposal of the dead while not forgetting the strategies for winter survival and much else besides.
It was an entirely different world, one that requires on this site a degree of thinking out of the box - with particular attention to life's (and death's) practicalities.
One thing's for certain - there was no place for today's finer sensibilities re 'civilized conduct' .The imperative was year-round survival - like knowing where the next meal was coming from, with a 'waste not, want not' philosophy. Nope I'm not suggesting cannabilsim, nor necrophagy, at least not primary necrophagy.
Am presently consulting an expert in the field (hoping he will respond to my email!). Maybe more to come, if I get an answer...
Hi Carl. Thanks for writing in. These “places of emergence” in native cosmongony range as far north as the U.S. Southwest and possibly farther. Were the mushrooms from these caves psilocybin?
Mark Miller
hi. great subject matter, and respect shown by members to each other
That neanderthal looks an awful lot like donald trump.
Cave ritualism on an elite level is evident as early as 1000 B.C. at the Olmec influenced site of Chalcatzingo, near the Valley of Mexico (Pasztory, 1997:90). Archaeologist Brent Woodfil and Jon Spenard (personal communication with both archaeologists) found ceramic mushroom pots in the Candelaria cave system in the San Francisco Hills near the lowland Maya site of Cancuén, Petén, Guatemala (Spenard, M.A thesis, 2006). The caves investigated in the south region of the Guatemalan Highlands include Saber, CHOC-05, Ocox, and Cabeza de Tepezquintle. According to Spenard, "Ocox is a canyon-like system that runs through a large hill with a rock shelter component at its northern-most extent....Ocox is a Q'eqchi Mayan word for mushroom, a reference to the large quantity of mushrooms that are growing from the floor of the rock shelter." These sacred caves may have been believed to be either the legendary Chicomoztoc, the name given for the place of mythical origin of the ancient Mayas, Toltec and Aztecs, or a place revered locally as a "place of emergence." (Woodfill,2002. Spenard, personal communication, 2011). source..http://www.mushroomstone.com/partibreaking.htm
Has anyone noticed that detail "...the skulls, leg bones, and rib bones were arranged into separate piles"? That would mean the bodies weren't merely beheaded and dumped, but that they were instead actually partially butchered post-mortem. That is beyond mere execution: it indicates ritualistic behavior (or some combatant victors with conflict closure issues).
Perhaps someone can correct me, but among the peoples of the British Isles (indigenous and immigrant) of the early Middle Ages, I don't recall reading about the Saxons being all that much into such refined, time-consuming savagery in their treatment of the dead. Perhaps further research can inform us of the types of weapons used in the execution and, more tellingly, if the instruments used to kill the men were of the same type as those used to dismember them.
Spanish chronicles document that when the Aztecs spoke of their history it was always said that they had been preceded by a marvelous people who called themselves Toltec, the people from Tollan, where political dynasties throughout Mesoamerica claimed decent from the rulers of a city called Tollan (Teotihuacan?). In a letter from Viceroy Antonio de Mendoza to Fernandez de Oviedo, a historian collecting material for his history of the Indies in 1541, Mendoza denied ever having thought that the Aztecs, in their migration from their mythical homeland of Aztlan, had been led by their patron god Huitzilopochtli into the Valley of Mexico. In fact, Mendoza claims that the Aztecs had been led by a god and wise man called "Quetzalcoatl", and that there was some confusion, and Quetzalcoatl had always been the intended leader.(Conquest, by Hugh Thomas 1993 p.185). As for the Aztec warrior god Huitzilopochtli, he seems to have occupied a place of importance only among the Aztecs (Caso, 1958 p.33-34). Sources identify him as the Blue Quetzalcoatl (see Below) painted blue the color of the blue sky, or sky of the day, and the color of human sacrifice. Huitzilopochtli like Quetzalcoatl represents the incarnation of the sun who defeats the Lord of the Night or Lord of the Underworld each day by sacrificing himself in the underworld in order to keep mankind alive and prevent the gods of darkness or the underworld from destroying the sun (Alfonso Caso, 1958, p.33). source http://www.mushroomstone.com/thefleurdelissymbol.htm
Just a small note of interest, but the moon is considered yin and the sun is yang. So just to have the metaphor you used fit in a better manner, it would really be better if you changed it around. It's really just very, very strange for a person who's grown up with yin and yang concepts to read the moon referred to as yang and the sun as yin.
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