Hi friends, I am happy to be part of the ancient-origins family. I am curious to know more about our world and that includes both history and science. I am currently studying masters in history and hope to learn many things from this site. I am quite fascinated by a number of Empire and it seems that no Empire remains for a long time but is conquered or dominated by other Empire as time goes by. This empire influences not only the particcular era but also shapes the future.
They're real, and they're people, not animals. Most people never mention what to me is the most compelling evidene shown in the Patterson film: it's a FEMALE Sasquatch.
Always found catacombs fascinating – visited the ones in Paris and Rome, if I get to Italy and these are still open I will definitely plan a visit. Thanks for pointing them out =)
Magico: When making fakes, the most valuable and most-rare artifacts attract the most scrutiny and arouse the most suspicion so most often the in-between less sensational items less likely to attract professional interest but which could fetch a good price are faked.
Carbon dating would not apply to items like this unless they had some organic materials in sufficient quantity to test. In any event, the analysis states these items were likely fired in modern kilns rather than baked in the sun, thus the method of manufacture reveals they are not ancient.
Finally, the obvious errors in the texts and the dimensions of the objects suggest to me they may have been intended to be sold as replicas rather than fakes. Fakes imply fraud. These look like the sort of things that would be sold to those with casual interest, or perhaps tourists.
Incidentally, I would never buy anything purporting to be ancient or genuine for a high price; such things are not usually available to novice collectors, and anyway even the experts get fooled – generally the more an expert wants to believe the easier they are to fool. There have been many multi-million dollar lessons learned in such cases. A well-made replica gives the same impression and satisfaction and at least you know you haven’t been defrauded and wasted your money.
Well there ARE forgeries, of course, but as a forger you want to make money, so they will forge what is valuable and easyly recognizable. It just makes NO SENSE to forge something very uncommon like the Glozel-finds for example.
Regarding the cuneiform tablets of this article the question is, wheter this was worth to forge if the museum says it is not readable to them??? this makes no sense because a forger would at least copy a text readable, probably changing it a bit!
But what makes me most suspicious of all is: why was there no scientific measurement of the age of these tablets? why just argue about the thickness?? what ?? there could be an other place making thicker tablets as those yet known to science! Why no carbon or other dating method applied? please?
A warbow had 160 pound (72 kg) draw weight. An 80 g arrow from this bow with a 25 g Bodkin-tip could easily penetrate mail and gambeson. But not so a proper cuirasse. There’s a very good video on YT on that (Tod’s Workshop channel).
1: There is a video about the Nefertiti bust embedded in this article which I will comment on. I respect the opinion of Shaun about the bust being fake, and his arguments are convincing. Others have had the same opinion and have stated that the bust was created some time after the excavations at Amarna and after Borchardt had returned to Germany. The problem is that there are original on-site photos taken about the time of discovery showing the bust and mention of it is recorded in the daily diary kept during the excavation. The bust, though not made to Royal standards of workmanship could well be a control copy used to standardise manufactures images of Nefertiti and thus not intended to be presented to the Royal family. Other busts were found in the same workshop location though not in the same condition. It is amazing it survived all those years in a city that had been levelled and seemingly picked clean, but it is also amazing that a pot full of gold objects was found in another part of the city after all those years too. I still view the bust with suspicion, but there is that problem about the original photo of the discovery, which matches the present object.
2: About the shipment of fakes from Bahrain, and ancient artifacts in general, fakes (or honest replicas) have been made all through history. Some studies have demonstrated that up to 90% of objects in museums and in very large private collections, there can be almost 100% fakes. When considering the population of the ancient world and the distribution of wealth, how many people could actually have owned all these artifacts and sculptures? And why is it that today, with the population of the world perhaps 50 times what it was then and with much more wealth today to purchase these things, we never seem to run out? During the 19th and 20th centuries there were fakes made on an industrial scale of ancient sculptures and objects, of paintings, antique furniture, parchment, etc. Even things that were seemingly discovered in situ had been planted there. Just recently most of a museum of ‘ancient’ parchments, even Dead Sea Scrolls, were determined to be fakes.
I propose that with insufficient provenance (though even forged provenance is a whole aspect of fakery!), almost everything claimed to be ancient, or just antique, should be viewed with suspicion.
Even the experts are fooled, some willingly, or at least easily convinced, in their eagerness to obtain sensational objects to attract traffic to their museums.
The biblical creation narrative is not limited to Genesis, chapter one is only the solar system/earth part. It took a book to answer what the bible proclaims about creation. The subtitle of my book is “From Origin to End” because the bible covers the universe from its origin to its end. This cannot be fully answered in a blog, but here’s a concise snapshot.
As it pertains to the understanding of days in Genesis, the evening and morning phrase is not exclusive to Genesis or a twenty-four-hour interpretation. It is also found in the book of Daniel where the messenger angel Gabriel interprets Daniel’s future vision to be many days. He was correct, It took centuries to unfold. “And the vision of the evening and the morning which was told is true: wherefore shut thou up the vision; for it shall be for many days” -Daniel 8:26. Based upon Gabriel’s interpretation of the evening and morning phrase, a twenty-four hour interpretation is not an exclusive interpretation. So, the context (all creation scripture) decides the duration of evening and morning in Genesis.
“Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it? Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; when the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?” Job 38:4-7
Laying the corner stone is the beginning of forming the multiple foundations of the earth that is fastened to nothing. The laying of foundations is a process, the first is formed, the second is formed upon the first and after the second is formed, the crust is formed. The stars sang, meaning they were shining, already existing when this process began.
NASA's Exoplanet Exploration Program -- “We can’t hear it with our ears, but the stars in the sky are performing a concert, one that never stops. The biggest stars make the lowest, deepest sounds, like tubas and double basses. Small stars have high-pitched voices, like celestial flutes. These virtuosos don’t just play one "note" at a time, either — our own Sun has thousands of different sound waves bouncing around inside it at any given moment”. https://exoplanets.nasa.gov/news/1516/symphony-of-stars-the-science-of-s...
At that time the earth was without form and void, because at the beginning of its formation it was too small to be malleable. In the process of time increased size and by gravity it to become spherical. During the process of forming the solar system accretion disc the sun was not shining so there was darkness on the face of the deep. When the proto star, our Sun gained enough mass, stellar nucleosynthesis began and there was light. I don’t think there is a conflict with other scripture or science (knowledge).
The author this article claims “The second Achaean League aimed to expel the Macedonians from the Peloponnese and to restore Greek rule in the peninsula”. This statement implies that ancient Macedonians were not Greeks – a lie.
Ancient Macedonians were self-determined Helenes. This is witnessed by their participation at ancinet Greek only Olympiads, their standardization of Koine Greek language accross their empire, and of course the Hellenistic period where they spread Greek culture – not Slavic.
The job of historian is not to hide their national mistake of bizarrely recognizing modern Slavs as “ethnic Macedonians” – by rewriting history like a propagandist of the Soviet Union. The job of a historian is to report the facts truthfully. It is sad this alleged history website resorts to lying so the author and editors can hide their ill considered recognition of the former Yugoslav republic, homeland of as “Macedonia”.
Human nature is in/humane nature. The pacific, honest and sharing people of back then also have the SAME modern ancestors doing these same things too. Now that we are less primitive than we were back then now it is up to us to master reason more over emotion so we can grow up a little more as a humanity acting on consensus over impulsion.
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Hi friends, I am happy to be part of the ancient-origins family. I am curious to know more about our world and that includes both history and science. I am currently studying masters in history and hope to learn many things from this site. I am quite fascinated by a number of Empire and it seems that no Empire remains for a long time but is conquered or dominated by other Empire as time goes by. This empire influences not only the particcular era but also shapes the future.
They're real, and they're people, not animals.
These red-haired, white giants are more like nephilim, and are not the same as Sasquatch, who are actually much older, and were here way before us.
They're real, and they're people, not animals. Most people never mention what to me is the most compelling evidene shown in the Patterson film: it's a FEMALE Sasquatch.
Thank you for this objective, informative article.
They're real, and they are people, not animals. I had a close encounter in the Pacific Northwest of America.
No one ever mentions what to me is a very valid point, which is that the Sasquatch in the Patterson film is quite obviously female.
And they're people, not animals. I know this for a fact, as I had a close encounter with both the Sasquatch an a UFO on the same night in Sept. 2017.
Good bit of writing. I especially liked the bit about “tip-toeing around thousands of wooden spikes.” Nicely done. Thanks.
Always found catacombs fascinating – visited the ones in Paris and Rome, if I get to Italy and these are still open I will definitely plan a visit. Thanks for pointing them out =)
King Art was a poser emmulator and not TD Red Branch!
King Art was a poser emmulator and not TD Red Branch!
Magico: When making fakes, the most valuable and most-rare artifacts attract the most scrutiny and arouse the most suspicion so most often the in-between less sensational items less likely to attract professional interest but which could fetch a good price are faked.
Carbon dating would not apply to items like this unless they had some organic materials in sufficient quantity to test. In any event, the analysis states these items were likely fired in modern kilns rather than baked in the sun, thus the method of manufacture reveals they are not ancient.
Finally, the obvious errors in the texts and the dimensions of the objects suggest to me they may have been intended to be sold as replicas rather than fakes. Fakes imply fraud. These look like the sort of things that would be sold to those with casual interest, or perhaps tourists.
Incidentally, I would never buy anything purporting to be ancient or genuine for a high price; such things are not usually available to novice collectors, and anyway even the experts get fooled – generally the more an expert wants to believe the easier they are to fool. There have been many multi-million dollar lessons learned in such cases. A well-made replica gives the same impression and satisfaction and at least you know you haven’t been defrauded and wasted your money.
Well there ARE forgeries, of course, but as a forger you want to make money, so they will forge what is valuable and easyly recognizable. It just makes NO SENSE to forge something very uncommon like the Glozel-finds for example.
Regarding the cuneiform tablets of this article the question is, wheter this was worth to forge if the museum says it is not readable to them??? this makes no sense because a forger would at least copy a text readable, probably changing it a bit!
But what makes me most suspicious of all is: why was there no scientific measurement of the age of these tablets? why just argue about the thickness?? what ?? there could be an other place making thicker tablets as those yet known to science! Why no carbon or other dating method applied? please?
Hi! Which Egyptians went to and came from Anatolia and when? Thanks.
A warbow had 160 pound (72 kg) draw weight. An 80 g arrow from this bow with a 25 g Bodkin-tip could easily penetrate mail and gambeson. But not so a proper cuirasse. There’s a very good video on YT on that (Tod’s Workshop channel).
1: There is a video about the Nefertiti bust embedded in this article which I will comment on. I respect the opinion of Shaun about the bust being fake, and his arguments are convincing. Others have had the same opinion and have stated that the bust was created some time after the excavations at Amarna and after Borchardt had returned to Germany. The problem is that there are original on-site photos taken about the time of discovery showing the bust and mention of it is recorded in the daily diary kept during the excavation. The bust, though not made to Royal standards of workmanship could well be a control copy used to standardise manufactures images of Nefertiti and thus not intended to be presented to the Royal family. Other busts were found in the same workshop location though not in the same condition. It is amazing it survived all those years in a city that had been levelled and seemingly picked clean, but it is also amazing that a pot full of gold objects was found in another part of the city after all those years too. I still view the bust with suspicion, but there is that problem about the original photo of the discovery, which matches the present object.
2: About the shipment of fakes from Bahrain, and ancient artifacts in general, fakes (or honest replicas) have been made all through history. Some studies have demonstrated that up to 90% of objects in museums and in very large private collections, there can be almost 100% fakes. When considering the population of the ancient world and the distribution of wealth, how many people could actually have owned all these artifacts and sculptures? And why is it that today, with the population of the world perhaps 50 times what it was then and with much more wealth today to purchase these things, we never seem to run out? During the 19th and 20th centuries there were fakes made on an industrial scale of ancient sculptures and objects, of paintings, antique furniture, parchment, etc. Even things that were seemingly discovered in situ had been planted there. Just recently most of a museum of ‘ancient’ parchments, even Dead Sea Scrolls, were determined to be fakes.
I propose that with insufficient provenance (though even forged provenance is a whole aspect of fakery!), almost everything claimed to be ancient, or just antique, should be viewed with suspicion.
Even the experts are fooled, some willingly, or at least easily convinced, in their eagerness to obtain sensational objects to attract traffic to their museums.
RBart,
The biblical creation narrative is not limited to Genesis, chapter one is only the solar system/earth part. It took a book to answer what the bible proclaims about creation. The subtitle of my book is “From Origin to End” because the bible covers the universe from its origin to its end. This cannot be fully answered in a blog, but here’s a concise snapshot.
As it pertains to the understanding of days in Genesis, the evening and morning phrase is not exclusive to Genesis or a twenty-four-hour interpretation. It is also found in the book of Daniel where the messenger angel Gabriel interprets Daniel’s future vision to be many days. He was correct, It took centuries to unfold. “And the vision of the evening and the morning which was told is true: wherefore shut thou up the vision; for it shall be for many days” -Daniel 8:26. Based upon Gabriel’s interpretation of the evening and morning phrase, a twenty-four hour interpretation is not an exclusive interpretation. So, the context (all creation scripture) decides the duration of evening and morning in Genesis.
“Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it? Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; when the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?” Job 38:4-7
Laying the corner stone is the beginning of forming the multiple foundations of the earth that is fastened to nothing. The laying of foundations is a process, the first is formed, the second is formed upon the first and after the second is formed, the crust is formed. The stars sang, meaning they were shining, already existing when this process began.
NASA's Exoplanet Exploration Program -- “We can’t hear it with our ears, but the stars in the sky are performing a concert, one that never stops. The biggest stars make the lowest, deepest sounds, like tubas and double basses. Small stars have high-pitched voices, like celestial flutes. These virtuosos don’t just play one "note" at a time, either — our own Sun has thousands of different sound waves bouncing around inside it at any given moment”. https://exoplanets.nasa.gov/news/1516/symphony-of-stars-the-science-of-s...
At that time the earth was without form and void, because at the beginning of its formation it was too small to be malleable. In the process of time increased size and by gravity it to become spherical. During the process of forming the solar system accretion disc the sun was not shining so there was darkness on the face of the deep. When the proto star, our Sun gained enough mass, stellar nucleosynthesis began and there was light. I don’t think there is a conflict with other scripture or science (knowledge).
The author this article claims “The second Achaean League aimed to expel the Macedonians from the Peloponnese and to restore Greek rule in the peninsula”. This statement implies that ancient Macedonians were not Greeks – a lie.
Ancient Macedonians were self-determined Helenes. This is witnessed by their participation at ancinet Greek only Olympiads, their standardization of Koine Greek language accross their empire, and of course the Hellenistic period where they spread Greek culture – not Slavic.
The job of historian is not to hide their national mistake of bizarrely recognizing modern Slavs as “ethnic Macedonians” – by rewriting history like a propagandist of the Soviet Union. The job of a historian is to report the facts truthfully. It is sad this alleged history website resorts to lying so the author and editors can hide their ill considered recognition of the former Yugoslav republic, homeland of as “Macedonia”.
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Human nature is in/humane nature. The pacific, honest and sharing people of back then also have the SAME modern ancestors doing these same things too. Now that we are less primitive than we were back then now it is up to us to master reason more over emotion so we can grow up a little more as a humanity acting on consensus over impulsion.
Sounds like they were finno-ugric people then? Heh.
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