We will never know if he had an agreement with the Ottomans, we will never know if he stole them, there is nothing written down

We weren't there

All we know is they are in the British museum now and they are in better condition if they had been left in their original position/place

In this case it wasn’t a matter of winners or losers! Elgin sneaked them from the Ottomans although he claimed he had permission. He didn’t win them in a fight from the Greeks!!

There are valid points the Parthenon marbles remain in in England , there is also Greek heritage to consider , and their desire to complete the restoration of the Parthenon to an ‘as most original ‘ as possible .   There is weathering to consider ; that , if the marbles are re-installed , they will be subjected to .   My personal opinion is they should be returned , what the Greeks decide to do is completely up to them .  What I would recommend ;  That molds be made before they are shipped so that the museum doesn’t lose ‘ an exhibit ‘ which is really what they have been , for many years ; a rather high-handed and typical pretentious assumption by a man who was overly class-conscious by demonstration of what amounts to , frankly –  theft of a nation’s heritage .   The cold-cast molding process can reproduce the panels exactly in the now-available materials that are cold-cast .  ( These methods do reproduce high-quality works of art and have been manufactured and sold thruout the world for many years and are objects of interest in thousands of homes who’s owners treasure the works they could otherwise be unable to ever afford ) .   Greece should do the same and return the originals to a museum with similar environmental air conditioning methods , as most museums world-wide do .   The Mold Reproductions ( for re-hanging ) could even be returned to an ‘ as original state ‘ before they are re-hung , satisfying any esthetical desires for originalities appearance .   It’d be far more practical , a show of real grace between peoples of two nations , & soothe the international furor that has festered over the arguments for all these years , and it would be done with the scientific approach towards environmental consideration to longevity .   I think the Brit museum could handle their side of the reproductions , and the Greeks theirs , meanwhile simply split the shipping & insurance costs by each side ponying up their equal shares . ( And “ git ‘er done ! )

Thou shalt not steal.    (Of course, people who have no religion or ethical values, just ignore).

Hi All,

Uncovering the past is what Archeology and Anthropology all about the best discoveries I enjoyed learning about is the Discovery of The Lost Books of The Bible & The Dead Sea Scrolls.

I still can't deny the historical fact nefarious behavior has certainly been allowed to happen when removing Ancient Artifacts like Greece's Parthenon Marbles by that British guy from other countries.

This Action took place at a Time when both Britain & France were Hell-bent on inflicting Imperialism on Asia, Africa, and key places in Europe such as Greece.

Let me share to examples on why this Pillaging of Ancient Artifacts from Nations all over the Globe is distasteful, what I am reminded of with the Pillage of Partheon Marbles is something that's recently being challenged of Ivy League College's.

The haunting tragic infamous photos of two African Slaves A Man and Woman that happen to be husband and Wife has been fought over in the Court's by these two African Slaves in America Ancestors an which Hardvard refuses too give back sadly the Supreme Court in Massachusetts ruled against The Family and in minds view this is The Dred Scott Decision 1850's & Plessy VS. Ferguson 1896, in Louisiana.

It's a bitter blow because the 13th amendment Abolished Slavery yet somehow this injustice feels like we're still being Owned.

An photograph of two African Slaves will not be going home with their Ancestors who are alive today an thriving in 2021, as an African American, I find this quite offensive.

Another example, I would like too share is that Indigenous Tribes have forwarded an letter too once again Hardvard because it has been made unto their attention of illegal digging at their Ancestral graves.

Hardvard has pilfered the grave sites of their families and their people an the Nation's wants an investigation into the archeological digs taking place on their Sovereign Lands without their permission not only that when items are found they want them brought back.

According to the News Article I read about the Indigenous Tribe's launching an investigation of the digs taking place on their Land.

An they too like the family of those two haunting Slaves photo's they're taking the Case too Court as well I only hope an pray they'll have better luck than the African American family did getting those picture's back.

I think my feelings about what went down Greece the Ottoman Empire following the British guy who took The Partheon Marbles without permission (I'm highly suspicious about that permit), It's the Audacity & The Arrogance to think, One has the Right to take Ancient Artifacts.

Totally disregarding the feelings of Greece regarding this Rich heritage of the Greeks.

Archeology and Anthropology is incredible I still think an Ethical line needs to be drawn when removing A People's History handed down by Ancient Ancestors for centuries it's a sign of Disrespect what The British Lord did.

It's important to also note this was the Time when Britain was running around Colonizing Everybody from Africa to Asia stripping them of their Cultural Heritage is another way of saying this land, the people's artifacts dwelling within the Land belong to Us.

The Parthenon Marbles need to be given back too Greece that's all there is too it. I'll stop here for now when I'm reminded of something else I'll share with Everybody.

So until next time, Everyone, Goodbye!

Dear Ashley:

We appreciate the interest shown by you from our finding. We understand that the news published in a blog should be attractive, but only as long as it maintains the rigour of the sources and is not untruthful. Your news item is based on information published by The Times (Neanderthal child’s dancing feet leave a mark on Spanish beach, por Charlie Devereux, Madrid, Friday March 26 2021, 12.01am GMT, The Times). The journalist logically looked for a headline with impact, which is a pure journalistic interpretation of the published paper.

 At no time, we have said orally or in writing, that Neanderthal children were "dancing" on the sand, as seems to be the headline that is spreading like wildfire in other media or blogs (basically Anglo-Saxon).

Here are some examples of phrases you cited in your text that are wrong:

 “The Neanderthal footprints include those of a child that the archaeologists say was “playing, or dancing in the sand.” This has not been said by us at any time, not least because archaeologists have not been involved at any stage of the research. In my team we are all geologists (paleontologists, paleoanthropologists, sedimentologists, geodynamicists) and biologists.
“However, according an article in the June 2020 edition of Nature, a pair of biologists walking on the sand after a bout of stormy weather and high tides discovered the 100,000 years old Neanderthal footprints …”. Firstly, the publication is dated 2021 (just click on the Nature link). Secondly, if you had read the article, you would see that the two biologists only found the site, but without recognising the nature of the footprints. The finding of the hominid footprints was only made by my research team, the one listed in the above-mentioned publication.
“Furthermore, they Neanderthal girl appears to have been “jumping irregularly as though dancing,” the new study claims. Hold on to that thought for a moment: the scientists say the Neanderthal hunter was “dancing”. Nowhere does it say that the footprint (we don't know which one) is that of a girl, and of course, that she was "dancing".
“Study author Eduardo Mayoral wrote that the team of archaeologists found evidence that suggested to them that “a small child jumping in a way that could suggest dancing in the sand.” This sentence is totally false. I have not written that anywhere, there has never been a team of archaeologists studying the site and of course, once again, there were children dancing in the sand.
“Top image: The Neanderthal footprint of a 6-year-old child, found at the Matalascañas Beach site in Andalusia, southern Spain.   Source: Eduardo Mayoral, et al / Nature”.

The true caption of that photo is: Natural views, solid models and shaded 3D elevation with contour lines images- M2020-22. Where do you get the idea that this is the footprint of a 6-year-old child? .

Please, scientific rigour yes, speculation and tabloid press, no.

Sincerely

Eduardo Mayoral

Considering they are now in the British Museum and well taken care of indoors, it would be most reasonable that they stay where they are and not risking any packaging, transport etc. In turn the  British should have good replicas made to complete and refurnish the Parthenon ( digitalized shows, etc). Given the Greeks will agree, of course.

Of course, they should be returned to their country of origin, where they hold true cultural significance. They can still be viewed by those that chose to travel there to see them, or online, or via a replica. Both the material and the artisan, along with the cultural/spiritual inspiration are Greek. Its current abode is akin to a finding an olive in a dumpling.

That could be said of any country, where they are, they are safe

remember the Arab uprising, the Egyptian museum was looted, some objects never recovvered

at least in the British museum they are safe

at the time it wasn't recognised as stealing, more like preservation

how many marble statues would have suffered from acid rain?

the obielisks the Egyptians gave to countries all over the world have, more so the one in Washington