"You can't discover anything if someone has not only been there before you, but someone else also lives there."
I have to disagree with this. "Discovery" is relative, and the scope of the relation is implicit in the context in which the word is used.
The scope can be as narrow as a single person, such as, "Little Jonny discovered an odd-looking box tucked away in the back of the closet," or as wide as the whole human race, as in "Scientists announce the discovery of liquid water on Mars."
Between those two extremes are any number of different sizes of groups of people. A family can discover they can get along on holidays if they try. A tribe can discover a new source of water. A society can discover a new method of governance, a civilization can discover a new landmass.
The point is, "discovering" something means finding something previously unknown, and as such it applies only to those doing the discovering--so in the case of Columbus and the Americas, we're talking about "Western Civilization" or "European Civilization" "discovering" the American continent. To say that was a discovery does not imply that no other human had previous knowledge of the Americas.
That said I generally agree with you that Columbus never actually set foot on the main landmass, plus he thought he was in India(or Asia somewhere) and basically was totally wrong in so many ways.
But discoveries can be bumbling and accidental and even unrealized at the time. Most big ones are, actually.
Ancient Bulgaria is thought to have people who originated from the Northern part of the Indian subcontinent. Mukti, moksha and yoga are concepts that predate ancient Bulgaria by eons in pre vedic civilisations.
There were more Irish, Scot, and poor English brought over into slavery in America than Black Africans. Being descended from such it is rather frustrating to be ignored due to the colour of my skin. My ancestors were counted as worth less than any African Slave. By a factor of ten. They got the nastiest jobs, the most dangerous jobs. And yet, you want reparations for your ancestors; why?
Mine didn't have a choice either; are you claiming that your people were better than mine?
I don't claim that it was right to enslave any one; it wasn't, isn't. I say 'isn't' because slavery still exists today. In Africa. A lot of it is being done by the very same group that was responsible for the sale of so many of your ancestors.
Your previous comments imply that you are eagerly awaiting you portion of any reparations.
Have a Day!
The above article was a very interesting one and full of information.Being a genealogist I found it helpful to get an insight to locations and history Thanks
Sorry but he was not a cruel king but a person who like others wanted to expand his empire but never had any hatred for his people.Yes the war lead to a huge loss in human life which affected his mind severly and lead him to lead a life of monk. Who knows had he remained the same present day Indian Subcontinent history would have been vastly different.
Destroying Ancient Sites ...Lets see, who else is recently doing this? Oh Yea – ISIS is doing this...Look what’s happening to them now. – No thanks to the current US President.
Why would it lead to war? The Philippines does not have the ability to go to war and China is playing it as if there will be no war they are taking what they want slowly.
First of all your comment that "China is claiming all and that is not right! They are basing it using History"
Is hypocritical the Philippines is also using false facts to claim Mindanao and taking what they want there also to my own understanding Philippines when China was weak took and claimed Islands willy nilly of what anyone else thought. So now China has power it is not allowed to do what Philippines had been doing before?
What evidence did Philippines produce? An old map? Explain why did Japan after the sino Japanese war claim those Islands but was not at war with Spain who owned Philippines at that time. Why did Spain not say anything? Is it because China was claiming those Islands?
International law was invented by old white men who fail to abide by those laws themselves so why should anyone follow them?
Note this when you have power you can do anything you want Philippines did this.
You talk about Chinese being brain washed but Filipinos have the same problem same with anywhere people being brainwashed by nationalistic morons who think they are always right (I agree Chinese are brainwashed but so are your people).
China is claiming the Islands and territory for wealth yes but also because they believe those territories were taken off them by the European racists.
Philippines is illegally claiming Sabah in violation of international law and norms and refuses to recognize the will of the people of Sabah for the sake of greed.
Be honest you are critical of China but ignore Philippines own sins
India has a different form of government to China and you are right just because its called South China sea does not mean its owned by China.
The term you were looking for was Indian Ocean
As a side note I agree with you about the 9 dash line but would the Philippines have been so "law abiding" had it the power to project itself abroad? (Think about Philippines greedy politicians not its kind people)
The thing is that there are no signs of soot in the tombs, under the pyramids etc.Which speculate that there were not any torches or fire in order to see to work
still waiting. Hopefully the Book is released by Christmas. (Which would be a great marketing move! :-) )
Besides that, it would be a great gift for a few of my friends.
John O, did you miss the bit about them being thieves and criminals? Or were you in too big a rush to romanticise your mythological 'oh-so-oppressed-worker'? In reality they probably wouldn't eat without the employment of the rich and industrious whom you vilify.
After viewing earlier maps of Piri Reis I have remained unconvinced that this map is a large global map. His detailing of geographical features suggests otherwise. After the last couple of post I decided to have another look and upon searching and viewing many maps it was interesting to find Piri Reis map usually represented lying horizontal. It was also most interesting to find the map is also incredibly similar to another map which was presented beside this map on one of my internet searches.
Dreamtime photo’s has this z/compás-antiguo-sobre-mapa-viejo
Identicle details appear on the coast of most of these two maps, as well as matching Islands and rocks, although the only variation is the rock formation on the left. Worth a comparison.
Hi I just want comment I don't agree with the idea of God created to unite! In Ancient Egypt they had their own Gods & at that time Greeks were becoming a power. So the Egyptians were basically forced to give up their image of God for an image that gave the Greek conquerors all the more power they desired!
So it wasn't about "unifying" people it was about dominating the people BY force because other temples were SHUT DOWN to FORCE people to take on Serapis the foreign God that the native Egyptian did NOT recognize.
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"You can't discover anything if someone has not only been there before you, but someone else also lives there."
I have to disagree with this. "Discovery" is relative, and the scope of the relation is implicit in the context in which the word is used.
The scope can be as narrow as a single person, such as, "Little Jonny discovered an odd-looking box tucked away in the back of the closet," or as wide as the whole human race, as in "Scientists announce the discovery of liquid water on Mars."
Between those two extremes are any number of different sizes of groups of people. A family can discover they can get along on holidays if they try. A tribe can discover a new source of water. A society can discover a new method of governance, a civilization can discover a new landmass.
The point is, "discovering" something means finding something previously unknown, and as such it applies only to those doing the discovering--so in the case of Columbus and the Americas, we're talking about "Western Civilization" or "European Civilization" "discovering" the American continent. To say that was a discovery does not imply that no other human had previous knowledge of the Americas.
That said I generally agree with you that Columbus never actually set foot on the main landmass, plus he thought he was in India(or Asia somewhere) and basically was totally wrong in so many ways.
But discoveries can be bumbling and accidental and even unrealized at the time. Most big ones are, actually.
If Nickell said the cyphers are a hoax, I'm inclined to think they're probably genuine.
Ancient Bulgaria is thought to have people who originated from the Northern part of the Indian subcontinent. Mukti, moksha and yoga are concepts that predate ancient Bulgaria by eons in pre vedic civilisations.
There were more Irish, Scot, and poor English brought over into slavery in America than Black Africans. Being descended from such it is rather frustrating to be ignored due to the colour of my skin. My ancestors were counted as worth less than any African Slave. By a factor of ten. They got the nastiest jobs, the most dangerous jobs. And yet, you want reparations for your ancestors; why?
Mine didn't have a choice either; are you claiming that your people were better than mine?
I don't claim that it was right to enslave any one; it wasn't, isn't. I say 'isn't' because slavery still exists today. In Africa. A lot of it is being done by the very same group that was responsible for the sale of so many of your ancestors.
Your previous comments imply that you are eagerly awaiting you portion of any reparations.
Have a Day!
The above article was a very interesting one and full of information.Being a genealogist I found it helpful to get an insight to locations and history Thanks
Sorry but he was not a cruel king but a person who like others wanted to expand his empire but never had any hatred for his people.Yes the war lead to a huge loss in human life which affected his mind severly and lead him to lead a life of monk. Who knows had he remained the same present day Indian Subcontinent history would have been vastly different.
Destroying Ancient Sites ...Lets see, who else is recently doing this? Oh Yea – ISIS is doing this...Look what’s happening to them now. – No thanks to the current US President.
Why would it lead to war? The Philippines does not have the ability to go to war and China is playing it as if there will be no war they are taking what they want slowly.
First of all your comment that "China is claiming all and that is not right! They are basing it using History"
Is hypocritical the Philippines is also using false facts to claim Mindanao and taking what they want there also to my own understanding Philippines when China was weak took and claimed Islands willy nilly of what anyone else thought. So now China has power it is not allowed to do what Philippines had been doing before?
What evidence did Philippines produce? An old map? Explain why did Japan after the sino Japanese war claim those Islands but was not at war with Spain who owned Philippines at that time. Why did Spain not say anything? Is it because China was claiming those Islands?
International law was invented by old white men who fail to abide by those laws themselves so why should anyone follow them?
Note this when you have power you can do anything you want Philippines did this.
You talk about Chinese being brain washed but Filipinos have the same problem same with anywhere people being brainwashed by nationalistic morons who think they are always right (I agree Chinese are brainwashed but so are your people).
China is claiming the Islands and territory for wealth yes but also because they believe those territories were taken off them by the European racists.
Philippines is illegally claiming Sabah in violation of international law and norms and refuses to recognize the will of the people of Sabah for the sake of greed.
Be honest you are critical of China but ignore Philippines own sins
India has a different form of government to China and you are right just because its called South China sea does not mean its owned by China.
The term you were looking for was Indian Ocean
As a side note I agree with you about the 9 dash line but would the Philippines have been so "law abiding" had it the power to project itself abroad? (Think about Philippines greedy politicians not its kind people)
The thing is that there are no signs of soot in the tombs, under the pyramids etc.Which speculate that there were not any torches or fire in order to see to work
What is that house at the top of the Ziggurats Build?
still waiting. Hopefully the Book is released by Christmas. (Which would be a great marketing move! :-) )
Besides that, it would be a great gift for a few of my friends.
interbred? racist language.
Check the list of things Europeans inherited from Neanderthals: it includes skin color. Neanderthals WERE the early white man.
John O, did you miss the bit about them being thieves and criminals? Or were you in too big a rush to romanticise your mythological 'oh-so-oppressed-worker'? In reality they probably wouldn't eat without the employment of the rich and industrious whom you vilify.
I just want to point out, if the church was built in the 1600s, it is not a "16th century" church, but a "17th century" church.
Check the list of things Europeans inherited from Neanderthals: it includes skin color. Neanderthals WERE the early white man.
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After viewing earlier maps of Piri Reis I have remained unconvinced that this map is a large global map. His detailing of geographical features suggests otherwise. After the last couple of post I decided to have another look and upon searching and viewing many maps it was interesting to find Piri Reis map usually represented lying horizontal. It was also most interesting to find the map is also incredibly similar to another map which was presented beside this map on one of my internet searches.
Dreamtime photo’s has this z/compás-antiguo-sobre-mapa-viejo
Identicle details appear on the coast of most of these two maps, as well as matching Islands and rocks, although the only variation is the rock formation on the left. Worth a comparison.
Hi I just want comment I don't agree with the idea of God created to unite! In Ancient Egypt they had their own Gods & at that time Greeks were becoming a power. So the Egyptians were basically forced to give up their image of God for an image that gave the Greek conquerors all the more power they desired!
So it wasn't about "unifying" people it was about dominating the people BY force because other temples were SHUT DOWN to FORCE people to take on Serapis the foreign God that the native Egyptian did NOT recognize.
Hi Darren. I edited it to reflect the true size. Sorry for the confusion.
Mark Miller
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