The Shroud of Turin: modern, digitally processed image of the face on the cloth [left] and the full body image as seen on the shroud [right].

The Shroud of Turin: Controversial Cloth Defies Explanation as Study Shows it Has DNA From Around the World

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Believed by many to be the burial cloth of Jesus of Nazareth, but held only as a religious article of historical significance by skeptics, the Shroud of Turin has captivated scholars and scientists alike due to its mysterious nature. New DNA tests add to the body of research that only serves to highlight the strange, unexplained origins of the shroud.

The cloth, a pale sheet of woven fabric approximately 14-feet (4.5 meters) –long, might be considered unremarkable save for the distinctive reddish-brown markings on its front and back. The image of a prone man with hands folded can be made out on the cloth, with both the front and back views of the head meeting neatly at the middle of the sheet, suggesting it was folded over the front and back of a naked body in death. Countless horrible wounds to the body are revealed through the images on the fabric, from slashes to gouges, piercings and welts. These images strongly indicate to proponents the evidence of crucifixion and the Biblical description of the death of Jesus.

The full length of the Shroud of Turin. Scientists and scholars cannot resolve the mystery of the shroud.

The full length of the Shroud of Turin. Scientists and scholars cannot resolve the mystery of the shroud. ( Public Domain )

The Hidden History of the Shroud

Historical record can place the shroud in the late 1300s. Scholars debate its existence previous to 1390, describing the period before that as “very murky territory.” Even during the middle ages there was disagreement over authenticity of the cloth, with written claims at the time between church officials suggesting it was a forgery. However, historians raise the possibility that several such ‘shrouds’ were making the rounds at the time, and forgery claims might have had nothing to do with the cloth found today in the cathedral in Turin, Italy.

Since the 15 th century, the existence of that shroud is well documented. It was deeded to the House of Savoy in Italy in 1453, and suffered damage in a fire. Patches and repair-work have been done at various times on the artifact. It was set in a chapel in the 17 th century, but it wasn’t until 200 years later that it was put on public display, and first photographed.

Full length negatives of the Shroud of Turin.

Full length negatives of the Shroud of Turin. ( Public Domain )

It was these photographs which elevated the cloth from relic to sensation. The photos were not remarkable in and of themselves, until viewed in the reverse negative, whereupon a detailed image of a wounded, bearded man became clearly visible. It had previously been suspected that the stains and images were painted on the linen by an artist at some point in its history, but the discovery of the detailed body image found embedded within the fabric drastically rewrote theories, and convinced many that the images were made through contact with an actual human corpse. Some Christians believe the image was transferred from Jesus’ body onto the cloth with a release of “divine light” or energy upon his resurrection.

A poster advertising the 1898 exhibition of the shroud in Turin. Secondo Pia's photograph was taken a few weeks too late to be included in the poster. The image on the poster includes a painted face, not obtained from Pia's photograph.

A poster advertising the 1898 exhibition of the shroud in Turin. Secondo Pia's photograph was taken a few weeks too late to be included in the poster. The image on the poster includes a painted face, not obtained from Pia's photograph. ( Public Domain )

If this was indeed the death shroud which encased the body of the historical Jesus of Nazareth, that would date the cloth to 30 AD, the biblical date of the death of Jesus. However, this dating is at odds with later historical record, as well as the modern scientific research on the artifact.

Scientific Examinations and Bombshell Revelations

A variety of tests have been carried out on the shroud since scientists were first allowed to examine it in 1969, including physical examinations, chemical analyses, and radiocarbon dating. Initial examinations led to the formation of an 11-member Turin Commission composed of scientists and advisors, and in 1977 the Shroud of Turin Research Project (STURP) was born.

Their findings, based on a gamut of rigorous tests, were reported in 1981, stating:

"We can conclude for now that the Shroud image is that of a real human form of a scourged, crucified man. It is not the product of an artist. The blood stains are composed of hemoglobin and also give a positive test for serum albumin. The image is an ongoing mystery and until further chemical studies are made, perhaps by this group of scientists, or perhaps by some scientists in the future, the problem remains unsolved."

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You guys don't do much in the way of "research", do you?

Several years ago ((1980s?? 1990s??)) a German theologian set out to prove, once and for all, that 'The Shroud' was a fake. His name is Holger Kersten and the book he wrote about his research is titled, "Jesus Lived in India". Fortunately or unfortunately, what he wound up doing is proving it was not only "real", but there was -all- =sorts= of corroberating (sp?) things he uncovered as well.

For example, -The- =Shroud=, itself, has =never= been tested. What was used for testing was the -edge- -binding-, which the Vatican's own records show was donated about 1300 CE. Why? The Shroud itself was considered too valuable, too holy, to cut a piece off for something as 'trivial' as testing.

Another fex, how was the 'image' produced on the cloth? My expertise is not in chemistry, but as I understand it, the cloth was soaked in alum, which was a common (medical??) thing at that time. If the body was still alive when it was wrapped up, it would sweat like in a sauna and the various salts would combine with the alum to make a "photo-like" image on the cloth. Very simple, no "mystery" at all .. if you know anything about chemistry.

One of the things he did in his research was particularly "damning", in some ways. He -did- =NOT= rely on -strictly- 'European' records!! There were -other- learned cultures besides just the Romans, at that time. So, he checked Persian and Indian archives, too. All I'm going to say ((I'm hoping some of you will actually read the book, yourselves)) here is something that =should= be -obvious- .. but is far too easily overlooked today. Euro-centricity (sp?) can sometimes be a very 'dangerous' set of blinders, -especially- when working on something on the 'frontier' of Europe!

what you say is interesting.. tell me...

1. is the earth and universe 6,000 years old?

2. was the easth flooded in approx 2500 BC and all cultures started over from there.

3. does everyone on earth share the same DNA and are we all descendants of Noah?

sorry for the spelling errors.

"earth" as an example.

What do these questions have to do with the price of cheese in Outer Wierdistan .. or are you just trying to be a smart-ass (you succeeded - congratulations). BTW, 1 = yes, plus -a- =lot= more (think about the wording for a second, of both the question -and- the answer. 2 = nope. 3 = not hardly!

Why are you questioning these 3 points ? All those questions are already answered and what have those to do with the shroud of Turin.
1. The universe is 14 billion years old and the earth is 4 billion years old .
2. There were floodings local and more bigger due to melting icecaps not due to a God being angry ( God does not exist) but the biblical flood never happened. The flood myth is a copy paste and edit by Jewish scribed in 6th c bc from Sumerian tales and that is a fact. Noach did not exist and the Ark did not exist. so nope we are not descendants from Noach.

The shroud of Turin fake or not it is not the image of Jesus, there never was a historical Jesus and the bible story is made up ! simple

I think you need to investigate a little more on the over 2000 flood 'myths' from around the world. The flood is easily dated back to the beginning and around the end of the Younger Dryas c. 10300BC - and the historical figure of Noah/Manu et al is plausible. The shroud was dated to the time of Jacques de Molay, as investigated by Robert Lomas and Christopher Knight. Don't let your atheist tendencies cloud your judgement of the truth – I urge you to read the work of David Rohl and the synchronicities of Egyptian history and Biblical narrative, especially Old Testament, which all comes across as truth, without having to rest your moral conscience on faith and belief, Therelihunter.

   

therelihunter, you must be a zionist

"The shroud of Turin fake or not it is not the image of Jesus"
Bingo!
The Shroud of Turin is NOT a fake and it is NOT the image of Jesus.The dating of "prior to 1390" is spot on. Jesus wasn't the only man who was crucified and survived. Jacques de Molay, the last Grand Master of the Knights Templar was arrested by France's King Phillip IV in 1307 and Grand Inquisitor Guillaume Imbert put him through a blow-by-blow re- enactment of Jesus's crucifixion. For a final twist of irony, he wrapped de Molay's tortured body in a shroud similar to that of Jesus in 1312. De Molay survived, recanted his confession and was burned to death in 1314. The Church won't claim the shroud as that of Jesus because it isn't.
"The Second Messiah" by Lomas and Knight.

Friend, like you I was once challenged by obvious scientific facts. Great news! A great many Jesus believers do not believe in 1 or 2 or 3. Here's a terrific site, Biologos. org founded by the head of the Human Genome Project--a believer. My own view on the Bible: what if our "scriptures" today are the very best effort at collecting and translating the very best efforts of men who wrote what was told to them. The four earliest Gospels are four very similar records of Jesus. Acts and letters of Paul support each other--and Jesus. Flavius Josephus, a Jew and Tacticus, a Roman historian also support a historical Jesus.

Getting back to Jesus and the Shroud, newgeology.us/ is a wonderful resource to help you work through much of the very dated text in this article. I truly hope you'll be blessed!

Sorry, I am not seeing how the newgeology site relates. And... you want to take a more serious look into people's claims about what those historians wrote and didn't write. That discussion belongs elsewhere.

The Bible says all that. Look up Ron Wyatt and see his discoveries, Noah's Ark, the Real Mt Sinai, Red Sea Crossing, Ark of the Covenant. Etc.

These three watched in sequence state objective TRUTH proven scientifically. The blood of every known Eucharistic Miracle matches that of the blood upon the Turin Shroud and also that found on the Sudarium of Oviedo. Science PROVES without a shadow of a doubt, that the person whose blood is on the Shroud and the Sudarium, is from the same person whose flesh can be examined in every known Eucharistic Miracle.

Dr Ricardo Castanon PHD has examined the Eucharistic Miracles, which were sent to two Universities for complete analysis.

The two further links provide the remaining information

Dr Ricardo Castanon PHD - Faith and Science (A former Atheist proves the Real Presence of Our Lord Jesus Christ)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzJV5P7XWq4

The Eucharistic Miracle of Lanciano
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PJ8BORx1p8

Shroud of Turin and Christ and the Sudarium.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ojyZX5_iyU

Also, have you heard about the miraculous Tilma of Guadalupe?

Very precise documentary and analysis here!

Documentary - The Tilma of Guadalupe - Living Image
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbK2ya0zqTU

Also, THIS is very scientific TOO!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGUlWa2r-bk

Sorry Caroline, if there is a Dr Ricardo Castanon PHD in existence, he was certainly never one of the scientists chosen to test the ONLY available samples taken from the cloth for carbon date testing back in 1988. Furthermore, there has never been any DNA testing done on the shroud with regards to the ‘blood’ eveidence to back this theory up you make reference to. This comment you post only serves to muddle the investigation of those out seeking the real truth about the TS.

Holger Kersten, like another German Theologian we all know, was deluded. Jesus did not live in India, that was St. Luke.. As for whether or not the Shroud of Turin is real or not is irrelevant. If it inspires Faith that is what matters. Proving it is real or not is like proving Faith, which eliminates the need for it.

Well, as a chemist for over 20 years, I do know something about chemistry. And since alum (which is a salt) is fixed into the fabric, it would not be degraded or barely react with salt from sweat. Even if it did, alum contains six water molecules per one of Aluminum, so the reaction would be an absorption of of the NaCl. Then there's the 3-D photographic properties, the microscopic, fine details, which sweat reaction could not only not produce, but would bleed and smear. There are probably a hundred other reasons why the sweat theory does not hold up. But the biggest stumbling block is that it is well-established that scientists from every discipline have not returned a reasonable or acceptable answer to how the image was produced, except to say that it was the product of as high-energy burst of radiation in the form of heat and light.
Also, attempts to reproduce it, even with high energy lasers have fallen short. Don't you think someone would have come up with the sweat trick by now, maybe draping an alum-soaked cloth over a sweated human body?

The best explanation I've read to explain the Shroud is the simplest. I get it from the "Key of Hiram" by Knight and Lomas. to sum it up: the Shroud of Turin was first discovered in a closet of Charney's estate in 1350. Charney was the chief deputy of Templar Grandmaster DeMolay, when they were arrested in the Templar Grand Lodge, Friday, 13th of October 1307, by soldiers of Philip the Fair of France, who was in deep debt to the Templars. DeMolay was first seized and, in mocking his heresy, crucified him within a large door frame of the Templars' temple within the Grand Lodge, for the purported crime of heresy. Many hours later, he was taken down and dumped onto a pile of rags. The Shroud, which was a cloth the Templars had gotten from their time in Jerusalem and used in their rituals at the Grand Lodge was placed over his tortured body. The extreme ordeal endured by DeMolay caused lactic acid to be exuded from his body, which somehow left an imprint of his form on the Shroud. Perhaps the cloth of the shroud had been affected by the chemicals on it from the smoke of incense or potpourri used in the Templar rituals and that interacted with the lactic acid somehow, resulting in the cloth being affected.

Charneys' family was allowed to take DeMolay to their estate and nurse him back to health. The cloth covering DeMolay was folded and placed in a closet while DeMolay was being attended to and forgotten. However, both DeMolay and Charney were imprisoned until 1314, and when they publicly refused to recant their "heresy", they were both slowly roasted to death for hours over a low fire. Forty years later, in 1350, descendants of Charney discovered the cloth and had no idea how it had gotten there. Subsequently it was put on display and the awe of the Shroud began. However, it was not until the Shroud was photographed that the negative image of the shroud so distinctly revealed the features of the tormented body of Demolay from 1307.
Thus, the image on the Shroud was of Templar Grandmaster de Molay, a tall, bearded, 14th century man, not the image of Jesus, a Jew from Jerusalem, 1300 years before that. Any pollen found on the Shroud came from its origin in Jerusalem, from where the Templars had acquired it. This account of the Shroud has the virtue of surviving "Occam's razor", the simplest explanation is usually correct, for it explains how, where, and when it came to public attention, why the shroud was carbon dated to the 14th century, how pollen from Palestine got onto the Shroud, and how the imprinted image of a crucified man's body got on the shroud. Other explanations are too convoluted.

in 95 the vatican had a dna test done on the BLOOD from the turin shroud AND the face shroud.. the blood came from a FERTILE HERMAPHRODITE! xx with the sry-1 gene on the x... last quoteof the book of thomas. n the nature of mariage inheavenlol...

in 95 the vatican had a dna test done on the BLOOD from the turin shroud AND the face shroud.. the blood came from a FERTILE HERMAPHRODITE! xx with the sry-1 gene on the x... last quoteof the book of thomas. n the nature of mariage inheavenlol...

Jesus is a hoax, ergo: the 'Shroud of Turin' is a hoax.

Only if you believe the shroud is connected to Jesus?

Sir/Ms? Your logic is not supportable. "Jesus is a hoax and therefore the shroud is a hoax." I'm sixty nine and between seventeen and twenty seven years old (college & Air Force) I was sure I was right. No Jesus; I did what I pleased. I was wrong. Consider an honest assessment of ALL the evidence. You don't have to believe the Bible is word for word "inspired" to know the evidence for a unique, one of a kind Jesus is overwhelming. For help with preformed bias check out on line Biologos.org and newgeology.us Blessings in Jesus!

Fascinating theory in The Second Messiah by Christopher Knight and Robert Lomas.  They think it’s Jacques de Molay’s image, postulating that he was wrapped in that cloth after he was tortured nearly to death (deliberately mimicking the wounds of Jesus) when Philip IV went after the Templars.

     

Certainly something most commenting here need to read up on. 

   

@Uncle D:

I’ve read the book.

  1. Kersten did not ‘prove’ the cloth is real nor that it’s the burial cloth of Jesus. He put forward very strong evidence and theory based upon the known information about the cloth. What he did demonstrate quite well is that regardless of ‘who’ was wrapped in the cloth, that person was ALIVE and not dead. There are over 22 wounds that continued to bleed AFTER the body was wrapped. Some quite profusely like the hands, feet and side wound that rand down and puddled behind the body. Corpses DON’T bleed!
  1. It wasn’t alum on the cloth, but the “Aloes and Myrrh of a hundred pound weight” (healing agents not embalming agents)which was brought to the tomb by Nicodemus. It’s right there in John’s gospel. What was being made was an enormous poultice bandage to wrap the body of someone who was severly injured but NOT DEAD. Jews don’t and never did embalm their dead. Crucifixion wounds are not fatal. It is a long slow torturous death taking sometimes days. The bible states Jesus was on the cross 3 hours before he ‘gave up his spirit’. He drank the ‘gall’ which was actually a narcotic and immediately lapsed into unconsciousness – hence the rush to get him down, not break his legs and get him healing.
  2. The Gospel of Peter (not included in your standard bible) states ‘jesus was seen leaving the tomb supported by 2 men dressed in white. (Essenes)
  3. Jesus left the area and travelled with his mother toward India. Mary is buried in Afghanistan. Jesus’ real tomb is in Srinigar Kashmir where he died at the age of over 100 years. Rosa Bal is the name of the tomb and it’s revered to this day by the locals as the tomb of a great spiritual teacher, one Jus Asaf.  Tombofjesus.com has all the facts and can educate anyone interested. But this was the gist of Kersten’s book.    “IF” this cloth held the body of Jesus, it proves he was a man, it proves he didn’t die on the cross, and it destroys the very foundation of christianity’s claims of resurrection and ascension. And that wouldn’t bode well for the Vatican at all now would it?  Kersten’s work brings Jesus down to the level of human. A highly trained spiritual adept – but not a god. It’s a very good book and well researched.

 

   

'' Tombofjesus.com has all the facts '' Who says those are facts ? At minimum it is just a theory / assumption ! 1. Of course there was no Jesus as the christians think there was for virgin births and the miracles , resurrection , wine from water, walking on water etc do not exist ! 2. Mythicist found out that all themes in gospels around Jesus are copied from older myths and even OT stuff and the sayings are also from elsewhere so there is noting unique to the gospels and not a bio from a Jesus. As far as we know and can deduct from evidence ( to contrary of christian stance) there never existed a historical Jesus ever. ( apart from the name Yeshua, yoshua or Yashua which was a common name at that time. ) In Lawrence Gardner book about Jesus he said similar things about the poison vinegar he got and that he was not dead from cross and that he was healed by one of his peers with myrrh and other stuff but instead of going to India he went to Europe and England and was even in Italy. The miracles were all tricks and healing technics Jesus allegedly learned with the Essene sect.

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Very intersting points, Osiris. Sounds like a good book! Thanks for the input.

Of course it removes the miracle of resurrection, non-believers have been trying to do that for 2000 years,and continue to this day. It doesn't sound like a very good book,just more atheist revisionism. Maybe you can get Tom Hanks to star in this one too.

Osiris, as to your all too brief references to John, in the Greek the text indicates a vinegar wine was given, not a narcotic as you propose. As to merely unconscious, no, Jesus was dead. The text leaves no other option. The soldier made sure. He stabbed Jesus in his side with a spear--blood and water poured out. Later, the Greek recprds the large amount of the spices-- customary for burial of a prominent Jew--was certainly not intended for healing. (c'mon, Osiris, you suggest 75 lbs for healing?) Study the four earliest records of Jesus, also Acts and Paul's Epistles. Also Flavius Josephus, a Jewish historian, and Tacticus, a Roman Historian. I once trusted the pseudo arguments from the closed minds of determined skeptics until I finally dug deeper on my own. That was forty two years ago. Oh, what a joy! As Jesus promised, " Know the truth and the truth will set you free."

As for the shroud being the possible burial cloth of Jesus, here's a site with something to get you thinking with a wide-open mind again: newgeology.us

Blessings always in Christ!

Lots of testing seems to have been done including extracting the DNA of people who may have come into contact with the shroud. Nobody seems to have commented on the obvious requirement to DNA test the blood stains on the shroud.
I can't see why this is impossible if DNA can be isolated from lesser biological influences on the shroud.
Such testing would show the geographic origin of the person who produced the image. Jesus or Jacques de Molay - or some unfortunate made to resemble Christ in order to perpetrate a fraud.

Kevin I think it would be fantastic if the Church allowed new carbon dating experiments of the shroud, especially fragments that contained areas where methaemoglobin particles are bound to the fibres. Unfortunately, they have only ever allowed a single testing in 1988 where three laboratories in Oxford, Zürich and Tucson received a small sample of un-effected cloth weighing 40mg. The results all documented a date range of AD 1260–1390.

   

LOL, well whadyaknow? The tombofjesus website is gone!  Strange it hung around fo 10 years and just recently disappeared!  It must have been catching on. Probably upset waaay too many apple carts.

Well as far as the ‘facts’, there WAS and entire collection of contemporaneous, scanned secular documents from the first and second century (not biblical nonsense) about a person, Just Asaf who travelled up from the Palestine area and settled there, who taught a doctrine similar to the teachings of JC and who had wounds in his feet. It was an extensive collection of historical information. There is even a stone monument of 2 feet with holes in them, inside the tomb. The keeper of the tomb apparently traces his own lineage back some xx generations to the man himself. But that’s up for debate. The place exists, it’s real, albeit controversial.

Regardless, there is factual historical, non-biblical, information about ‘someone’ travelling to that area from the middle east. It’s not conjecture or theory and not folklore. As to whether it actually was the famous christian hero is open to debate, but the tomb dates from the second century and its occupant was a great spiritual teacher who migrated there from the middle east.  Those are the facts. Perhaps this is why Kashmir is kept a ‘hotspot’. Wouldn’t want peace in that area to open up tourism to Rosa Bal.

 

Surely, there is some other place to argue the existence of Jesus.

If a cloth was draped over someone's face the distance between the ears would be wider than what the image shows, which is more like a photo. We may never know the method by which it was created.

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Nice observation! It’s a detail that isn’t obvious, but makes sense. If you drape a cloth over a face, and then flatten that sheet, you might get something like this, a 3D image of a face flattened into 2D:  http://bit.ly/1N61zWP

 

Exactly! Am I the only one who figured this out???

Yes, people can try it themselves, and should before ever launching into silly speculation and getting into the tangled mess of age testing, DNA, and pollen tests.

Get a large cloth you don't need. Lay down. Drape over your face. Mark where your eyes, hairline, nose, mouth, chin or beard line. Now lay it flat.

Gosh Allen, did you remember to account for the Jew in the image having very thick Jewish hair? Likely a Nazarene, his thick uncut hair was probably flush with his cheeks. So much for the tent effect.......much more significant check out the site newgeology.us The image on the shroud still cannot be made today, much less then. Still, there is another possibility you haven't considered. He's worth your best effort to learn the truth. Blessings!

The image has long hair. To the point though, you're clearly not understanding what I'm pointing out because what you propose would actually make the width distortion worse, not better. People are having a hard time with this. One way to demonstrate is to lay a large cloth over your face and mark features with a pen, then lay it flat. See? It will be comically distorted.

Do this: Clasp your hands in front of you, palms facing you, thumbs up. Now, put your thumbs at your ears. Without adjusting the intertwined fingers, flatten your hands. See how far apart your thumbs are?

How come no one has addressed the fact that the "front" and the "back" meet at a single point? Wrap a shroud up my front and down my back and there's going to be a continual wide imprint of the top of my head. Not "front" and oh so suddenly "back". Where's the "top"? Anyway the face and head look flat as a pancake to me.

Exactly what i came here to say: the front and back images meet at the top of the head as if two ‘front on’ images were laid end to end. This is an impossibility for a body wrapped up which should have at the very least an elongated head. Not to mention the other deformations that would occur all over the body.

that alone proves it’s a fake and there really shouldn’t be any further debate.

 
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As a person who has worked with digital textures in 3d modeling, I agree that the image on the shroud seems unlikely to be a result of being wrapped around a corpse(or a live body, for that matter). Look at the source images for the facial texture of any modern 3d game and you'll see a weirdly distorted mask with holes for eyes and mouth. When viewed on the 3d model, the face looks perfectly natural, but when flattened out into a regular image, it is distorted.

However, I disagree that this "proves" the artifact is "fake". It just means that the image is not a result of being wrapped around a body. But the image is still there, and all the blood matching the wounds apparent in the image do imply there was a body wrapped in it. That blood is not fake, nor is the image itself, having been somehow deeply imprinted into the material of the fabric in a way that we have yet to reproduce.

Is it the "burial shroud of Jesus"? Probably not.
But "fake"? No. It's still mysterious and strange. In fact, I find that considering the facts of the shroud without the religious context makes it more strange and interesting.

“However, I disagree that this "proves" the artifact is "fake". It just means that the image is not a result of being wrapped around a body”

But that’s the claim, which you agree is false, therefore, it’s a fake artifact.

The fact that the image is there or that the shroud exists, is old and is mysterious is not in question.

 
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But that’s the claim, which you agree is false, therefore, it’s a fake artifact.

No, it means that claim is false.

For the shroud to be a fake, it would have to have been made specifically to fool people into thinking it was something it is not.

People used to think dinosaur bones were evidence of giant humans. That claim was eventually shown to be false. Did that make the dinosaur bones "fake"?

"For the shroud to be a fake, it would have to have been made specifically to fool people into thinking it was something it is not."

Exactly. It was clearly made specifically to fool people into thinking it was something it is not. Therefore 'fake' is a good term, by your definition.

Since the time of Bishop D'Arcis, the French church has known what the shroud is and whose image it is. There is no mystery about what it is or whose image it is. The church even chose to announce the results of the carbon dating on the very anniversary of the shroud's creation. The only ones ‘fooled’ are those believing it to be related to the historical figure of Christ, or denouncing it as fake. 

The facts.

The linen is dated to between 1260 and 1390.

The shroud first appeared in the family of a senior Templar who had been arrested and tortured.

The shroud was found stored in exactly the right conditions for developing a Volckringer image.

The Templars used just this type of shroud for ceremonial purposes so there would have been a shroud in the Paris Temple.

The three twirl herringbone weave was unknown outside western Europe prior to 1300.

The Paris Inquisition was noted for nailing heretics to the nearest wooden object until they confessed.

The Grand Master of the Templars is recorded as complaining to the pope about just such treatment.

The Volckringer image takes about fifty years to develop and the shroud with its image makes its first recorded appearance just fifty years after the interrogation.

The process of image formation is only possible with a living subject.

The recorded fading of the image is exactly the behaviour predicted for a Volckringer image of that age.

The contemporary Church in France consistently said the image had 'been made by human hand', not cunningly painted as the Latin is often erroneously translated.

The image looks exactly like the last Grand Master of the Templars who had long hair and a beard.

In fourteenth century France only Knights Templar were required to wear their hair and beard long in the fashion of the man of the shroud.

 
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Very interesting! Thanks for the information, I'll look into this.

We've been through this here quite a bit. I don't discount your story but this shroud can not be what you describe. It is morphically impossible to make an image only viewed in proportion correctly when flat--by any means--unless the image was also made while the cloth was perfectly flat. It was not made while draped over anyone.

While I appreciate the work and historic research of the book that influenced you--it's on my bookshelf-- this is not that. Can't be. To paraphrase Obi Won.. This is not the shroud you're looking for.

Fine. Assume all you say is true and factual. THIS image (shroud of Turin) only looks 'right' when flat. You CAN NOT make an image that only looks flat from cloth that was draped when the image was made.

I'm not arguing with your facts, just how they apply to THIS piece of cloth. Tell me you understand that.

I cannot (and do not have the time) to reproduce a Volckringer pattern from a live body and wait for the image to appear over a 50 year period as Lomas/Knight’s research has shown. If you havwe the book on your shelf, go through how the problem of draping is covered.

 

The book presents a proposed explanation of a chemical reaction. It does not, as you keep claiming, explain why a draped cloth, when afterwards laid flat, would not look comically wide and distorted. Volkringer was talking about flat leaves. Person's faces are not flat.

"In 1942, Dr. Jean Volkringer, a pharmacist at St. Joseph’s Hospital in Paris, discovered that when certain plants arc pressed between the pages of a book, a highly detailed negative image appears on adjacent pages."

I think people get excited about solving the mystery of the process of image-making and blow past the most basic simple problem.

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The German Egyptologist Walther Wolf was unsparing in his description of Akhenaten, calling him a man who epitomized “sick ugliness and nervous decadence”. The greatest irony of the entire Amarna episode was that this pharaoh, who had vehemently denounced the Amun-Re cult from faraway Akhetaten, came to be buried in the traditional Theban royal necropolis. But not all believe Akhenaten’s mummy has been discovered.

Myths & Legends

Origins of Aphrodite
Aphrodite is the Greek goddess of love, sex, and beauty. In one of the most famous images of the goddess, we see her emerge from the sea, a reference to her origin story. In this older of the two...

Ancient Places

Potala Palace in the winter.
Potala Palace is an ancient palace located in Lhasa, the capital of Tibet. This palace once served as the winter palace of the Dalai Lama, as well as the Tibetan seat of government. Additionally, Potala Palace is considered a symbol of Tibetan Buddhism, as well as its traditional theocratic system of government. Potala Palace is the highest palace in the world.

Opinion

The 130-million-year-old fossil.
In 2016, a telephone interview with an artefact collector led me to uncover a scientific conspiracy of Biblical proportions. Professors are the high priests of our technology driven society, but as you will see, sometimes the letters behind their names serve only to disguise a highly unscientific hidden agenda.

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At Ancient Origins, we believe that one of the most important fields of knowledge we can pursue as human beings is our beginnings. And while some people may seem content with the story as it stands, our view is that there exists countless mysteries, scientific anomalies and surprising artifacts that have yet to be discovered and explained.

The goal of Ancient Origins is to highlight recent archaeological discoveries, peer-reviewed academic research and evidence, as well as offering alternative viewpoints and explanations of science, archaeology, mythology, religion and history around the globe.

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By bringing together top experts and authors, this archaeology website explores lost civilizations, examines sacred writings, tours ancient places, investigates ancient discoveries and questions mysterious happenings. Our open community is dedicated to digging into the origins of our species on planet earth, and question wherever the discoveries might take us. We seek to retell the story of our beginnings. 

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View from the Castle Gate (Burgtor). (Public Domain)
Door surrounded by roots of Tetrameles nudiflora in the Khmer temple of Ta Phrom, Angkor temple complex, located today in Cambodia. (CC BY-SA 3.0)
Cable car in the Xihai (West Sea) Grand Canyon (CC BY-SA 4.0)
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