Still on my way to Midnight Science my Friend. Had to go get my DNA sampled first... I am a Quarter NA and wanted to see if I have the MA-1 genome haplotype X .
We need to ditch the Mercator Projection ASAP in this debate of Human Origins...
The more I look at your comment, its apparent that soul is a botched translation...they really don't know what it means..."coming from the Sea" is BS...do you believe that?
I understand your points...completely. Its just that I am going beyond them into new ground.
There are so many lost meanings that etymology loses the game many times...but you still follow
it around. Its the Greek - Egyptian contact that is also important...but the usual indo-european
scholars rarely step outside of their bounds. SO, I agree to disagree with your context, in going
beyond indo-euro-germanic considerations...they are quite often wrong...and they know it.
The etymology of “soul” (as per the online etymology dictionary, and other sources) is as follows:
Old English sáwol from Proto-Germanic *saiwalo (source also of Old Saxon seola, Old Norse sala, Old Frisian sele, Middle Dutch siele, Dutch ziel, Old High German seula, German Seele, Gothic saiwala), of uncertain origin.
Sometimes said to mean originally "coming from or belonging to the sea," because that was supposed to be the stopping place of the soul before birth or after death [Barnhart]; if so, it would be from Proto-Germanic *saiwaz (see sea).
So it's from Proto-Germanic, which is in turn from Proto-Indo-European, which is a different language family from Egyptian. So that comparison is invalid.
Okay, first of all – “Thoth” is the Greek name for that particular deity. The Egyptian name – which, since we’re looking at an Egyptian connection to Ireland – is ḏḥwty, possibly pronounced something like Djhuty (*ḏiḥautī). So the word “Thoth” can’t really be used to link Egypt and Ireland, unless you’re saying it was Greeks importing Egyptian culture in.
Secondly, the Celtic myths that survived were very heavily influenced by both the Romans and the monks who recorded them. I’ve read one book – “A Brief Guide to Celtic Myths & Legends” by Martyn Whittock (ISBN13: 978-1-78033-892-7) that claims that a great deal of the links to Egypt portrayed in the stories of the Tuatha De (Danann) are based on biblical stories – the monks trying to link Celtic myths to biblical ones. This makes a certain amount of sense, especially if you look at the actual dates of when the myths were written down. They’re all around the times of 11th to 12th centuries CE. That’s centuries after Christianity came to the British Isles, and even before that, the Romans had heavily affected the native Celtic myths and legends.
Third, as I believe someone else pointed out, the ancients had elaborate trade routes all throughout Europe, the Mediterranean, and the Near and Middle East. Admittedly, 3.8K years ago is before the Phoenicians (who were not exactly a single people, so far as we know, but a conglomeration of city states) took control of maritime trade, but overland trade did exist. (How else could Baltic amber get down to the Mediterranean to be discovered in the wreck of a ship dating to around 1305-1300 CE or thereabouts – which was, FYI, also before the Phoenicians came to prominence. Check out the info about the Uluburun shipwreck.)
And fourth – reading through the paper on the genetic discoveries you reference… where is the connection to Egypt? Yes, it mentions that the Neolithic subject was descended from peoples from the Middle East – referring to the Fertile Crescent – and there might have been some Egyptian there… but she wasn’t descended primarily from Egyptians. As for the Bronze Age genomes, they were linked to the Pontic-Caspian Steppes, which is the likely origin of the Proto-Indo-Europeans. Again, not Egyptian.
In the stone frames showing the Apkallu attending to the "tree" the identity of the plant was well known in the ancient world and appears on many coins from that era. It was known as Silphium, and if you look at pictures of it on the coins they are nearly identical to the relief.
It was so important in ancient trade that it was worth it's weight in gold, and underpinned the entire economy of Cyrene. It was so over harvested that it went extinct by the times of the Romans and the last known example was given to Nero as a curiosity.
For some reason (or many reasons) the ancient world was fairly berzerk over the spice, and would have deified it.
Maybe determine and compare 'North' from geological history of magnetic 'North' with todays North to arrive at a probable date for this event to have occurred...but it seems more likely to me that Aztlan was actually Atlantis...which one source of 'Seekers' determine to be within the Gulf of Mexico or the Caribbean Gulf....
If the determination points to a geomagnetic vector distributes one such alignment as then being 'North', we may have a handle on the veracity of the Legend..
Great catch Carol Ann1! Nice now if someone would do some cross checking with known Hittite or Scythian remains. The Scythians are also well known to have traveled vastly and deeply into eastern Asia. They could well have reached North America. They too were known for their red hair.
To me...I am neither a Hebrew or Christian, and the Bible has not one original story in it that did NOT exist to previous cultures. That beside the fact that the Jews were NOT the first race of humans to exist. Even their belief system is primarily adopted from an earlier cuture.
On the island of Bougainvillea in Papua New Guinea recent excavation revealed stone writings in symbols. What intrigues us it that we were merely discovered 150 years ago.by white colonists and our people are who don't know writings or symbols.let alone carve out stone except wood carvings. Please.assist if you are able to.
I am surprised that the article does not discuss the possibility that the elephants are in fact mastodons. Mastodones lived in America. If we assume that Africans settled in pre-Columbian America and saw mastodons, it seems likely that they would have named them elephants – as several other American animals were named by the Europeans after similar-looking but not identical Old World animals.
Funny, how you are guilty of the sin that you accuse Indians of - Self Praise and boasting. ! Even the Great Alexander was happy to learn from the Indian Ascetic Nagarjuna.
It sounds to me, that the tomb was still planned for Hephaestion, though others may have actually used it. I think I would still call it Hephaestion's Tomb.
Since astronomy and astrology in ancient times were totally entangled it's probably an instrument to shed light on future events. For instance the forces that influence wars, politics, personal lifes and so on.
Good questions. Keep in mind that a lot of our supposed knowledge of the past is conjecture or an educated guess. My personal Weymouth bloodline traces back over 1,600 years. At least that I can find anyway. My father taught me 11th century battlefield sword fighting as family pass down. As well as the rules and traditions of the Knight. Also family and personal heraldry. If such archaic traditions are still being taught in my family now. It just begs the question. What has been lost in our history. Common knowledge that everyone knew in the 4th century. but since it wasn't wrote down. No one knows today. Forget modern niceties. Such things don't exist when foreign invaders stomp onto your land and steal your stuff. kill your family in front of you. I personally would feel a bit vengeful about that. And I suspect my family ancestors probably felt the same. Times change. But I don't believe people are all that different now than they were a thousand years ago.
Here you can navigate quickly through all comments made in any article sorted by date/time.
It all is directly related to the perspective I shared my friend. Even the Migratory patterns of the Species predating any of our Imaginations...
This Map is where the World Started many times back and forth over many millennia just like the migration of those species.... Man did the same...
http://www.grida.no/graphicslib/detail/demography-of-indigenous-peoples-...
Still on my way to Midnight Science my Friend. Had to go get my DNA sampled first... I am a Quarter NA and wanted to see if I have the MA-1 genome haplotype X .
We need to ditch the Mercator Projection ASAP in this debate of Human Origins...
The more I look at your comment, its apparent that soul is a botched translation...they really don't know what it means..."coming from the Sea" is BS...do you believe that?
I understand your points...completely. Its just that I am going beyond them into new ground.
There are so many lost meanings that etymology loses the game many times...but you still follow
it around. Its the Greek - Egyptian contact that is also important...but the usual indo-european
scholars rarely step outside of their bounds. SO, I agree to disagree with your context, in going
beyond indo-euro-germanic considerations...they are quite often wrong...and they know it.
No, sorry, you're wrong about that.
The etymology of “soul” (as per the online etymology dictionary, and other sources) is as follows:
So it's from Proto-Germanic, which is in turn from Proto-Indo-European, which is a different language family from Egyptian. So that comparison is invalid.
Okay, first of all – “Thoth” is the Greek name for that particular deity. The Egyptian name – which, since we’re looking at an Egyptian connection to Ireland – is ḏḥwty, possibly pronounced something like Djhuty (*ḏiḥautī). So the word “Thoth” can’t really be used to link Egypt and Ireland, unless you’re saying it was Greeks importing Egyptian culture in.
Secondly, the Celtic myths that survived were very heavily influenced by both the Romans and the monks who recorded them. I’ve read one book – “A Brief Guide to Celtic Myths & Legends” by Martyn Whittock (ISBN13: 978-1-78033-892-7) that claims that a great deal of the links to Egypt portrayed in the stories of the Tuatha De (Danann) are based on biblical stories – the monks trying to link Celtic myths to biblical ones. This makes a certain amount of sense, especially if you look at the actual dates of when the myths were written down. They’re all around the times of 11th to 12th centuries CE. That’s centuries after Christianity came to the British Isles, and even before that, the Romans had heavily affected the native Celtic myths and legends.
Third, as I believe someone else pointed out, the ancients had elaborate trade routes all throughout Europe, the Mediterranean, and the Near and Middle East. Admittedly, 3.8K years ago is before the Phoenicians (who were not exactly a single people, so far as we know, but a conglomeration of city states) took control of maritime trade, but overland trade did exist. (How else could Baltic amber get down to the Mediterranean to be discovered in the wreck of a ship dating to around 1305-1300 CE or thereabouts – which was, FYI, also before the Phoenicians came to prominence. Check out the info about the Uluburun shipwreck.)
And fourth – reading through the paper on the genetic discoveries you reference… where is the connection to Egypt? Yes, it mentions that the Neolithic subject was descended from peoples from the Middle East – referring to the Fertile Crescent – and there might have been some Egyptian there… but she wasn’t descended primarily from Egyptians. As for the Bronze Age genomes, they were linked to the Pontic-Caspian Steppes, which is the likely origin of the Proto-Indo-Europeans. Again, not Egyptian.
In the stone frames showing the Apkallu attending to the "tree" the identity of the plant was well known in the ancient world and appears on many coins from that era. It was known as Silphium, and if you look at pictures of it on the coins they are nearly identical to the relief.
It was so important in ancient trade that it was worth it's weight in gold, and underpinned the entire economy of Cyrene. It was so over harvested that it went extinct by the times of the Romans and the last known example was given to Nero as a curiosity.
For some reason (or many reasons) the ancient world was fairly berzerk over the spice, and would have deified it.
Maybe determine and compare 'North' from geological history of magnetic 'North' with todays North to arrive at a probable date for this event to have occurred...but it seems more likely to me that Aztlan was actually Atlantis...which one source of 'Seekers' determine to be within the Gulf of Mexico or the Caribbean Gulf....
If the determination points to a geomagnetic vector distributes one such alignment as then being 'North', we may have a handle on the veracity of the Legend..
you don't need to buy any books to learn about nephilims.
all relevant books by Sitchin are free online.
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sitchin/sitchinbooks.htm
Great catch Carol Ann1! Nice now if someone would do some cross checking with known Hittite or Scythian remains. The Scythians are also well known to have traveled vastly and deeply into eastern Asia. They could well have reached North America. They too were known for their red hair.
To me...I am neither a Hebrew or Christian, and the Bible has not one original story in it that did NOT exist to previous cultures. That beside the fact that the Jews were NOT the first race of humans to exist. Even their belief system is primarily adopted from an earlier cuture.
On the island of Bougainvillea in Papua New Guinea recent excavation revealed stone writings in symbols. What intrigues us it that we were merely discovered 150 years ago.by white colonists and our people are who don't know writings or symbols.let alone carve out stone except wood carvings. Please.assist if you are able to.
I am surprised that the article does not discuss the possibility that the elephants are in fact mastodons. Mastodones lived in America. If we assume that Africans settled in pre-Columbian America and saw mastodons, it seems likely that they would have named them elephants – as several other American animals were named by the Europeans after similar-looking but not identical Old World animals.
“It must be emphasised that this is the only astrological reference found on the mechanism though, despite careful searching.”
Sorry but did I read this correctly? it has Astrology written all over it but this of course is totally unacceptable.
Almost all the Indian scientists who won the noble prize were of the Dravidian stock not Aryan.
Funny, how you are guilty of the sin that you accuse Indians of - Self Praise and boasting. ! Even the Great Alexander was happy to learn from the Indian Ascetic Nagarjuna.
It sounds to me, that the tomb was still planned for Hephaestion, though others may have actually used it. I think I would still call it Hephaestion's Tomb.
Since astronomy and astrology in ancient times were totally entangled it's probably an instrument to shed light on future events. For instance the forces that influence wars, politics, personal lifes and so on.
"It is appointed unto men to die ONCE and after this the judgement." Hebrews 9:27
Good questions. Keep in mind that a lot of our supposed knowledge of the past is conjecture or an educated guess. My personal Weymouth bloodline traces back over 1,600 years. At least that I can find anyway. My father taught me 11th century battlefield sword fighting as family pass down. As well as the rules and traditions of the Knight. Also family and personal heraldry. If such archaic traditions are still being taught in my family now. It just begs the question. What has been lost in our history. Common knowledge that everyone knew in the 4th century. but since it wasn't wrote down. No one knows today. Forget modern niceties. Such things don't exist when foreign invaders stomp onto your land and steal your stuff. kill your family in front of you. I personally would feel a bit vengeful about that. And I suspect my family ancestors probably felt the same. Times change. But I don't believe people are all that different now than they were a thousand years ago.
"The head of excavation..." no pun intended I'm sure. :-D
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