Parts of this story is unknown to us Fijians. Firstly we dont refer to Degei as a God we refer to him as an Ancestor. Secondly,Turukawa is NOT a Hawk, it is believed that Turukawa was a Male Rooster. Also no we never believed that Degei would judge us after we died, that i have never heard of. and Yes there are snakes in fiji...Lots and lots of them...
What do you mean by "denounce" the pyramids exactly? They are there, people built them, we know they exist... Also, some scientists were, as I recall, arguing about how old the great sphynx was... so if we say something you don't think is fact, well it seems other scientists/ experts can't agree on the facts either. Just when someone claims the science settled, someone comes up with more information to challenge it later so really it's hard to determine exact facts when it comes to science. Ignorance being lack of knowledge, scientific knowledge and theory seems in constant flux so sometimes the "knowledgeable" turn out just as ignorant as those they looked down their nose at. We're at the mercy of people who quibble amongst themselves trying to figure out the nature of reality while looking down at everyone else, only to find out later they themselves didn't have the whole concept or sometimes were completely wrong, it's VERY frustrating. History is not complete and even the experts fight over facts, yet we are expected to just take whatever they say as concrete fact? People make mistakes and others should have full freedom to question it or come up with other ideas of what the facts mean. It's not like we can ask the people that lived then so we have to make guesses as to how things were back then and what things meant to those people. There are many examples where, throughout history, experts have come to wrong conclusions yet at that time any who questioned them would have been considered ignorant fools. As for religious history, what is considered respectful? Did the article writer say anything about censoring religious history? No, people are free to look up whatever they wish, and people are free to have viewpoints on the history of religions (or spirituality) as they wish. Censorship would be the true disrespect, just having a different viewpoint is not. Even religious experts quibble, nothing is set in stone at this point.
I did work on some of these bones about two years ago and I found that when the text written on the Shang Dynasty bones is created using straight lines, the image show a very strong link to astronomy. The Shang Dynasty bones with curved lines representing characters obviously cannot be measured for angular alignments and the idea that the angular values represent eclipse values obviously does not apply – samples of non-linear text can be seen in the images in the above article.
An example of a Shang Dynasty bone with the characters drawn using straight lines is shown in this link...
The key result here is the lines are often drawn parallel to other lines, but when a character is written multiple times I found that it never exactly replicates, even though it is obvious from the study that great care was been taken to write all the characters with lines aligned to very specific angular values.
These angular values link to the measurement of time and astronomy then links to fortune telling…..as seen in fortune telling based on the signs of the Zodiac.
When looking at the development of modern text the theory here is this early Chinese script is a transition from the earlier simpler line diagrams seen in older artwork such as the Khaga Oasis drawing to more modern text. See for comparison the data that I published earlier in Ancient Origins
Tubal Cain anyone? Yes it's Toltec and about 25 thousand years old. It's sad that there is an agenda to ignore the truth of a global existence of one race. To say that this has anything to do with Chinese is sad.
I find this interesting and I wonder whether you would clarify a point. When I read that your name the sould, among other names "Apolon" I see another term "Apollyon". This is also named Abodon or "The Destroyer" in the Greek. This would seem to be to be a mix-up.
Certainly it is clear to those who look into these things that the original Being broke apart and created all -that-is from "his" own Self, and that our own Souls are small pieces of that prime Self. This is what Jesus meant when he said "Is it not written in your law that I have said 'Ye are Gods'?" (John 10:34)
I think the Enuma Elish is a way of saying that same thing using characters and in the language of what we would now call genetics.\
What if I tell you I can point out an ancient Chinese "textbook" / "dictionary" located in Ontario, Canada which is older than Bone/oracle characters found in eastern Asia? This "textbook" was used to teach people to recognize the formation of ancient Chinese characters. They can be interpreted based on the leading components (中文部首) as well as several logical arrangements/combinations (邏輯安排/組合), which I refer as the "Leading Component Pedagogic Method (部首教學法)".
It is located in the provincial petroglyph park of Peterborough, Ontario province, Canada, presenting several leading components such as Water (水部), Bird (隹部), Hand (手部，提手旁), Eye (目部), Earth/Dirt (土部) etc. Also, in terms of logical combinations, there are single component (單圖單字), respective combination (個別輪配), integral combination (整體組合), advanced combination (進階組合) and ring combination (環狀). (or maybe more)
The vocal pronunciations they used are largely reserved in 河洛語 / 閩南話 / 台灣話.
From the petroglyphs (graphic) I know they are earlier than Bone/oracle characters (lines/curves).
I misspoke about Enlil, above. It was not Enlil, as everyone will know. Apologies but I do not find an "Edit" button. "Nin" can be translated as the royal term "Lady", and "Ki" can be translated as "Earth" or "level" or even "here". NinKi, who was the female half of the rogue team that altered early "man" via genetic tinkering, is NinMa. It is from the NinMa of the Anunna/Nommo that we get the phrase so familiar to humanity, the simple utterance that every child learns - "Ma" and form which we make Mom and Mommy, those magical words.
my little piece of this is this: one of the perennial questions about the flood is "where did the water come from?"
the answer has two parts, as far as my reading informs me (and I read a LOT).
1) the atmosphere has not always been the way it is now. long ago, pre-flood, it did not rain, for example. rather, the atmosphere, which now is often clear with the familiar bright blue sky, was misty. all of the water was in the air. it did not condense into clouds, which not only form the white, puffy things we see but also the clear air around them. think about it: condensation forms clouds by gathering-together water vapor. this forms clouds as well as clear air. also, it seems the mist would rise and fall with the day/night cycle. the morning dew is what watered the plants. atmospheric water, heavy vapor that kept the sky misty and hazy, also shielded the surface from solar radiation which may help explain ancient stories of long lives. water is an excellent radiation shield. if you look at "normal" human aging alongside the effects of radiation exposure, they look identical.
2) star-water. atmospheric oxygen gets bombarded by solar hydrogen, the solar wind, and under certain circumstances water simply forms in the atmosphere. we have seen this in dramatic action over the last few years in the great floods that are occurring in the US and elsewhere. satellites with time-lapse video allow us to see the points at which water simply forms in the air and falls onto the ground. atmospheric science is being re-written constantly now. during the flooding of the last couple of years the question keeps coming up: "where is all the water coming from?" because the current models do not allow for the amount of water that is falling to have been generated by the processes that science has in place.
The Enuma Elish and other stories are valuable to us in that they show us that our biblically focused history is not what we are told. But we have to be careful in our interpretation. they did not think like we think. their assumptions were different. their truth was different. they were different animals than we are.
Did Oannes and Dagon and others of the Nommo from Sirius actually land in celestial eggs and then walk out of the sea each evening to teach humanity about agriculture, math, astronomy, and law? maybe. Were the Nommo the Anunna? Maybe. It certainly appears that way in a fair reading of comparative cultural/historical literature. The Dogon of Africa say so, and they knew of Sirius B eons ago. The Popes hat says so.
But what does that mean for us? It is a historical arc for the human animal but are we that?
To my mind the human animal is a vehicle, a vessel of evolution that the "real" entity inside of each of us inhabits. It is one among many. And so the history of this place, of the species in which we participate is interesting, but it is not defining.
Enki and Enlil (who is NinMa) raised a ruckus when they helped to shape the thinking man from the pre-Adamite ape-man who was that hairy black dude in "2001 A Space Odyssey". They gave to that creature the spark of divinity, the intellectual potential that made us such a good critter to live in and through for our own purposes. But we are not that. We are that which is More than that. As they say "Taht vam Asi", Atman is Brahman.
Megaliths are antennae. Duh. The mind is a tuner. It is tuned by intent, or will. What is tuned-in is the energy of creation. Every tradition refers to this energy (except scientific materialism, the cancerous bane of our current moneygrubbing epoch). The stones are a technology. They are amplifiers and antennae. The humans gather together near them, join together with a focused intent, normally lead by a priest and normally involving something rhythmic like dancing or chanting or singing, and they manifest, they bring things into existence, with that focused intent and with the help of the stones. The stones, the earth, and the humans form a circuit. They become part of the cosmic machinery of creation. Manifestation, bringing things, situations, relationships, patterns, into existence, changing the energy of potential, what "could be" into actuality, what "is" is the secret of every culture, of every secret society. there are a wide variety of techniques, of metaphors, of systems, but they all point to the same thing. we ignore this at our peril. our "leaders" are deathly afraid that we will remember this and break away from their control. this is the only worthwhile path forward, remembering this.
Indeed! I'm a huge fan of Thunderbolts and follow their work assiduously! Was Thornhill actually lectured in Devizes some years ago at a UFO conference! All good stuff!
LOWELL - Completely agree we with what you say. I have some Christian fiends who are very pro war, mostly because they are dim witted (ignorant) even though they are quite intelligent.
Incredible read, I learn so much from this amazing creature. I'm still itching for more info so I'll look into reading all these references individually.
I have visited this site casually but this is the first article that truly grabbed my attention and I love it. Keep up the good work.
Here you can navigate quickly through all comments made in any article sorted by date/time.
very interesting
Parts of this story is unknown to us Fijians. Firstly we dont refer to Degei as a God we refer to him as an Ancestor. Secondly,Turukawa is NOT a Hawk, it is believed that Turukawa was a Male Rooster. Also no we never believed that Degei would judge us after we died, that i have never heard of. and Yes there are snakes in fiji...Lots and lots of them...
Hi, I think the artist might be Luca Giordano. See here – http://www.nationalgallery.org.uk/paintings/luca-giordano-mythological-s...
Hi! Would you mind telling me who the artist is for the image with Cereberus?
There have been thousands of comments about this artifact. I encourage research in the Sanxingdui Period for comparisons.
What do you mean by "denounce" the pyramids exactly? They are there, people built them, we know they exist... Also, some scientists were, as I recall, arguing about how old the great sphynx was... so if we say something you don't think is fact, well it seems other scientists/ experts can't agree on the facts either. Just when someone claims the science settled, someone comes up with more information to challenge it later so really it's hard to determine exact facts when it comes to science. Ignorance being lack of knowledge, scientific knowledge and theory seems in constant flux so sometimes the "knowledgeable" turn out just as ignorant as those they looked down their nose at. We're at the mercy of people who quibble amongst themselves trying to figure out the nature of reality while looking down at everyone else, only to find out later they themselves didn't have the whole concept or sometimes were completely wrong, it's VERY frustrating. History is not complete and even the experts fight over facts, yet we are expected to just take whatever they say as concrete fact? People make mistakes and others should have full freedom to question it or come up with other ideas of what the facts mean. It's not like we can ask the people that lived then so we have to make guesses as to how things were back then and what things meant to those people. There are many examples where, throughout history, experts have come to wrong conclusions yet at that time any who questioned them would have been considered ignorant fools. As for religious history, what is considered respectful? Did the article writer say anything about censoring religious history? No, people are free to look up whatever they wish, and people are free to have viewpoints on the history of religions (or spirituality) as they wish. Censorship would be the true disrespect, just having a different viewpoint is not. Even religious experts quibble, nothing is set in stone at this point.
Would be interested in seeing images of the dictionary.
I also noted in my studes that various drawings found in the Sahara Desert region look remarkably like Chinese numerals and Chinese text.
I did work on some of these bones about two years ago and I found that when the text written on the Shang Dynasty bones is created using straight lines, the image show a very strong link to astronomy. The Shang Dynasty bones with curved lines representing characters obviously cannot be measured for angular alignments and the idea that the angular values represent eclipse values obviously does not apply – samples of non-linear text can be seen in the images in the above article.
An example of a Shang Dynasty bone with the characters drawn using straight lines is shown in this link...
http://www.midnightsciencejournal.com/2013/07/30/preliminary_analysis_shang_dynasty_bones_eclipse_prediction/
The key result here is the lines are often drawn parallel to other lines, but when a character is written multiple times I found that it never exactly replicates, even though it is obvious from the study that great care was been taken to write all the characters with lines aligned to very specific angular values.
These angular values link to the measurement of time and astronomy then links to fortune telling…..as seen in fortune telling based on the signs of the Zodiac.
When looking at the development of modern text the theory here is this early Chinese script is a transition from the earlier simpler line diagrams seen in older artwork such as the Khaga Oasis drawing to more modern text. See for comparison the data that I published earlier in Ancient Origins
http://www.ancient-origins.net/news-general/kharga-oasis-spider-rock-art-may-be-astronomical-writing-001170?nopaging=1
The same angular values in the Kharga Oasis Spider appear in Lascaux Cave and in the Shang Dynasty Bones.
In China older examples of this linear writing can also be found in the 30,000 year old Shuidonggou Paleoloithic-era engraved stone.
Tubal Cain anyone? Yes it's Toltec and about 25 thousand years old. It's sad that there is an agenda to ignore the truth of a global existence of one race. To say that this has anything to do with Chinese is sad.
I find this interesting and I wonder whether you would clarify a point. When I read that your name the sould, among other names "Apolon" I see another term "Apollyon". This is also named Abodon or "The Destroyer" in the Greek. This would seem to be to be a mix-up.
Certainly it is clear to those who look into these things that the original Being broke apart and created all -that-is from "his" own Self, and that our own Souls are small pieces of that prime Self. This is what Jesus meant when he said "Is it not written in your law that I have said 'Ye are Gods'?" (John 10:34)
I think the Enuma Elish is a way of saying that same thing using characters and in the language of what we would now call genetics.\
(In English and Traditional Chinese)
What if I tell you I can point out an ancient Chinese "textbook" / "dictionary" located in Ontario, Canada which is older than Bone/oracle characters found in eastern Asia? This "textbook" was used to teach people to recognize the formation of ancient Chinese characters. They can be interpreted based on the leading components (中文部首) as well as several logical arrangements/combinations (邏輯安排/組合), which I refer as the "Leading Component Pedagogic Method (部首教學法)".
If you can read Chinese characters, or maybe you can not but possibly find some else to help you, you can download this:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/o7unpowixznt33v/%E5%85%A8%E7%90%83%E7%9F%B3%E5...
It is located in the provincial petroglyph park of Peterborough, Ontario province, Canada, presenting several leading components such as Water (水部), Bird (隹部), Hand (手部，提手旁), Eye (目部), Earth/Dirt (土部) etc. Also, in terms of logical combinations, there are single component (單圖單字), respective combination (個別輪配), integral combination (整體組合), advanced combination (進階組合) and ring combination (環狀). (or maybe more)
The vocal pronunciations they used are largely reserved in 河洛語 / 閩南話 / 台灣話.
From the petroglyphs (graphic) I know they are earlier than Bone/oracle characters (lines/curves).
CHEN Lung-Chuan 2016-03-28 Taipei
I misspoke about Enlil, above. It was not Enlil, as everyone will know. Apologies but I do not find an "Edit" button. "Nin" can be translated as the royal term "Lady", and "Ki" can be translated as "Earth" or "level" or even "here". NinKi, who was the female half of the rogue team that altered early "man" via genetic tinkering, is NinMa. It is from the NinMa of the Anunna/Nommo that we get the phrase so familiar to humanity, the simple utterance that every child learns - "Ma" and form which we make Mom and Mommy, those magical words.
my little piece of this is this: one of the perennial questions about the flood is "where did the water come from?"
the answer has two parts, as far as my reading informs me (and I read a LOT).
1) the atmosphere has not always been the way it is now. long ago, pre-flood, it did not rain, for example. rather, the atmosphere, which now is often clear with the familiar bright blue sky, was misty. all of the water was in the air. it did not condense into clouds, which not only form the white, puffy things we see but also the clear air around them. think about it: condensation forms clouds by gathering-together water vapor. this forms clouds as well as clear air. also, it seems the mist would rise and fall with the day/night cycle. the morning dew is what watered the plants. atmospheric water, heavy vapor that kept the sky misty and hazy, also shielded the surface from solar radiation which may help explain ancient stories of long lives. water is an excellent radiation shield. if you look at "normal" human aging alongside the effects of radiation exposure, they look identical.
2) star-water. atmospheric oxygen gets bombarded by solar hydrogen, the solar wind, and under certain circumstances water simply forms in the atmosphere. we have seen this in dramatic action over the last few years in the great floods that are occurring in the US and elsewhere. satellites with time-lapse video allow us to see the points at which water simply forms in the air and falls onto the ground. atmospheric science is being re-written constantly now. during the flooding of the last couple of years the question keeps coming up: "where is all the water coming from?" because the current models do not allow for the amount of water that is falling to have been generated by the processes that science has in place.
The Enuma Elish and other stories are valuable to us in that they show us that our biblically focused history is not what we are told. But we have to be careful in our interpretation. they did not think like we think. their assumptions were different. their truth was different. they were different animals than we are.
Did Oannes and Dagon and others of the Nommo from Sirius actually land in celestial eggs and then walk out of the sea each evening to teach humanity about agriculture, math, astronomy, and law? maybe. Were the Nommo the Anunna? Maybe. It certainly appears that way in a fair reading of comparative cultural/historical literature. The Dogon of Africa say so, and they knew of Sirius B eons ago. The Popes hat says so.
But what does that mean for us? It is a historical arc for the human animal but are we that?
To my mind the human animal is a vehicle, a vessel of evolution that the "real" entity inside of each of us inhabits. It is one among many. And so the history of this place, of the species in which we participate is interesting, but it is not defining.
Enki and Enlil (who is NinMa) raised a ruckus when they helped to shape the thinking man from the pre-Adamite ape-man who was that hairy black dude in "2001 A Space Odyssey". They gave to that creature the spark of divinity, the intellectual potential that made us such a good critter to live in and through for our own purposes. But we are not that. We are that which is More than that. As they say "Taht vam Asi", Atman is Brahman.
Did no one notice that whoever wrote the document reproduced in lthe article did not know how to spell "celestial?"
Megaliths are antennae. Duh. The mind is a tuner. It is tuned by intent, or will. What is tuned-in is the energy of creation. Every tradition refers to this energy (except scientific materialism, the cancerous bane of our current moneygrubbing epoch). The stones are a technology. They are amplifiers and antennae. The humans gather together near them, join together with a focused intent, normally lead by a priest and normally involving something rhythmic like dancing or chanting or singing, and they manifest, they bring things into existence, with that focused intent and with the help of the stones. The stones, the earth, and the humans form a circuit. They become part of the cosmic machinery of creation. Manifestation, bringing things, situations, relationships, patterns, into existence, changing the energy of potential, what "could be" into actuality, what "is" is the secret of every culture, of every secret society. there are a wide variety of techniques, of metaphors, of systems, but they all point to the same thing. we ignore this at our peril. our "leaders" are deathly afraid that we will remember this and break away from their control. this is the only worthwhile path forward, remembering this.
Indeed! I'm a huge fan of Thunderbolts and follow their work assiduously! Was Thornhill actually lectured in Devizes some years ago at a UFO conference! All good stuff!
Amen, the devil always has a counterfeit!! And it easter!!
LOWELL - Completely agree we with what you say. I have some Christian fiends who are very pro war, mostly because they are dim witted (ignorant) even though they are quite intelligent.
Incredible read, I learn so much from this amazing creature. I'm still itching for more info so I'll look into reading all these references individually.
I have visited this site casually but this is the first article that truly grabbed my attention and I love it. Keep up the good work.
What about the Paranormal Parallelogram, or the Ominous Oval, or Deadly Diamond?
Curious Clover?
.... Epheremal Equilateral...? ...wait, no, that's still a triangle.
I know. The HEXAGON OF HELLFIRE!!
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