I know it isn't a popular opinion, but the conditions around the removal of whichever object is in question must be examined - I have previously commented on the Elgin Marbles that I didn't consider the need to 'repatriate' them to Greece because when they were removed from Greece, it was under a deal with the then government [which was Turkish] so as far as I was concerned, it was a legal deal. Same goes for other items - if they were removed under conditions that were legal at that point in time, then they were not removed illegally, and no onus exists to ownership or transfer. It would be like claiming that the execution if Giles de Rey was illegal because currently France doesn't have a death penalty.
It seems that she unethically used her diplomatic status to remove antiquities from countries that would not have allowed it had they known. Unfortunately this is common practice by some diplomats.
The holes in the Roman Colosseum held poles which sailors used to make a cloth roof to keep customers cool. Those holes remind me of the rock slits of the Azores, and I think that they could be used to hold sails (not for sailing on dry land, but for making a tent). But that's a lot of work to make a temporary shelter.
is there any sign found in ancient maya of the wheel used ? idea must have traveled and remained popular following man all over as he moved, evolved grew and developed construction. especially of such great weights. it seem the egyptians and the chinese had it best constructed with their chariots, just an ancient cart would not have to have such a more precise balance since speed was not the game, just transport of goods, family, the wounded and the smaller constructions. It also seems strange why ancient man may have Not used the horse, camel or ox so as to help drag/haul heavy things for them/with them. where is first evidence of that ???
The most compelling reason why the matter of Bob Heironimous and Phillip Morris was not noted is that in the two critical texts cited “Daegling’s “Bigfoot Exposed” and Loxton and Prothero’s “Abominable Science”, both of these clearly skeptical texts did not recognize Bob Heironimous and Phillip Morris as presenting claims of sufficient merit to be factored into those author’s analysis. Even though all authors were aware of the claims, they did not use the claims to establish a proof of hoax. So if skeptical authors and researchers cannot be confident the Heironimous and Morris are making truthful and reliable claims, then I felt that any mention of them would have required a lengthy disclosure of the issues which cast doubt on their credibility. If one were to advocate those claims by Heironimous and Morris as being truthful and factual, the claims would need to be analyzed with the same discipline and logic as all other evidence should be, and under that kind of analysis, the claims have not proven to be strong enough to be taken as fact, even by many skeptical analysists.
That photo showing the burial dig, what is that at bottom right ? a round hole, that a drain tube ? it is hard to see just what I am looking at of whole picture. also that ring with the gem on top, i have one exactly like it just my stone is smaller and, i made it myself :)
Incredible :) Love ancient ruins, But do wonder if apollo's already ancient temple was intact for Paul to see it whole..? any proof ? yet the romans would want it kept intact ? since they never lost faith in the sun to do what it did, still does today :) I guess apollo was an alien, as depicted in ST episode 'who mourns for Adonius'. it is also a wonder where Paul is buried and how he would be marked to show it is him..?
just, what if those, aliens, decided to return ? hmmm
Is there anything unique in her "collection" that is not readily available for study in other museums? If not, she has doesn't really have things of any great value to the archaeological community. If she does have unusual findings, perhaps she would like to donate those to an institute for further study. The descriptions of her artifacts seem rather uncommon, so chill out on this dear lady's gatherings.
I imagine most would believe that the statements of:
Philip Morris, the man that sold the suit to Patterson
and
Bob Heironimus, the man that wore the suit
provide that kind of proof.
My question would be why was that not addressed in your article?
Where's fantastic treasures are to be found, no matter the risks or potential threats to life and limb, humans will go to every length to find and recover them. Case in point is the OAK ISLAND fiasco airing on the History Channel. Millions of dollars have been spent digging, drilling, diving, metal detecting, researching, theorizng, wondering, where the supposed Pirate, Buckineer,Templar, gold hoard treasure is.So far they very little to show for their efforts.
The fictional character Lady Lara Croft is called a Tomb Raider, of sorts , following in her Archaeologist fathers footsteps. She's a British Goverment SPY, DIPLOMAT, Aventuress, Archaeologist and seeker of rare artifacts that have powerful supernatural powers. Her mission is to locate these first before some rougue agencies out for world domination can get their hands on them. She'll slip into some archaeological dig - and steal what they are looking for. Which is actually common practice around the world if a site isn't guarded and protected around the clock...
Indiana Jones is the male version of Lara Croft - only he is a college proffessor teaching Archaeoological History... and he too is a Diplomat of the College, Government Agent, Aventurer, Treasure Seeker, Tomb Raider, and a rougue with the ladies. Jones has found the The Arc of the Covenant and experienced first hand the Wrath of God and survived! Top that Lara!
Thrilling stuff for Movies. Also bad for actual Archaeologist who have submit for foreign Government Permits telling what it is they are hoping to find, wait for permission, gather the Professional Phd degreed Professorial Achaeologist, Student helpers, Equipment and Supplies,Arrange Travel, and get all the other professional individuals from the hosting nation to monitor their activities. That is a far cry from Tomb Raiding! Of course, if the team discovers something wonderful and it has never been seen before - Great Acolades , Fame and rise in ranks of Archaeology is assured.
This is a completely crazy period. The Minoan empire had collapsed that stifled piracy, goods flowed, it all stopped with the thera erruption, the Mycaneans invaded, there was a global food crisis, every culture was clamping for anything they could get (the Sea Peoples raided any port to get anything of wealth). The Myceaneans knew very little about long-distance trade and logistics, sorry they didn't. The Phoenician did that learned this from Minoans and eventually resumed trade after the passage of the sea peoples. Mercenaries were contracted in to fight for the invader or the defender, the whole of lands around the med was at war, scrambling around for any metal they could take because the trade network and supply of tin had collapsed, that drove the Bronze age economy, in the same way as Oil drove the 20 century economy.
Is the author referring to the British Museum of TODAY or one of a century ago. I think if you look at all States at this time they all peddled their own propaganda.
The British Museum of today is extremely respectful of other cultures and does a fantastic job of preserving these treasured items, it is also balanced in its approach it frequently loans artefacts to Museums in the country of origin. Also, bear in mind that a lot of people visit London from all around the world, it is an excellent way to share in human achievement with everyone, it is entirely open, there isn't even a fee to visit any British public Museums, it could not be more open and exclusive.
If anything the British Museum doesn't impose their expertise and insight when description artefacts enough, it so factual and politically correct. You are referring to long gone days of empire. We as accept this, it is part of our historical culture but assuming we still think this way today is entirely incorrect, we welcome the diversity of the world and wish to enjoy it. A Brit.
This is pagan thought practised by Druids in Britain. They didn't write anything down!
However, their practices do oddly seem to have parallels with other cultures around the med. This makes a little more sense in this context. They had Apollo (the spear of light at summer solstice), I guess this is your green man. They also had a mother goddess (winter solstice). A fertility goddess (Aphrodite - birth of the day, east - spring equinox of equal day and night) and a goddess of the underworld/night (Artemis-mistress of animals - virgin, Athene type - representing night and autumn equinox - equal day and night).
It's a clever unified system as you can use these to represent cardinal direction, Seasons, day and night and length of the same, all together. Apollo south, mid-day (brightest light) and zenith at summer solstice. Mother goddess North, winter equinox shortest day. BTW this is also the main axis, the serpents refer to the Star constellations of Draco used to find the pole star and the serpent on the equator plane. Collectively, it all made sense.
April, not likely. The Egyptians had very little experience of sea navigation. The Minoans did, the Phoenicians did. Both traded with Egypt. Egyptian knowledge of Minoans was very limited, the Kaftui visited them to trade goods, they were known as coming from the islands they didn't have a clue where they were, it was an asymmetrical sea trade. The Minoan trade network was vast, it extended at least to Spain, but probably to Britanny/Britain for tin, that they needed to make bronze. Egyptian expeditions went anticlockwise around the med with the natural currents (you gain about 2 knots speed if you do, being in mind that under oar you can only go about 4-5 knots and losing 2knots if you have to row against a current is a big deal), across the pillars of Hercules to Africa along this coast then on the Egypt, up to Phoenician ports, then cypress and back to Crete. You pick up all this stuff on route.
I seem to remember reading that the land of punt was Madagascer, this would have been from the spanish port around the african coast, any trade goods could then be made available to other ports in the med through this node.
The one eye could be referring to workers of founderies of metal. They would wear a leather protective eye patch so if there was an accident, they did lose sight in the other eye. They were associated with building, there are even types recorded, copier (mould maker for last wax casting) , metalworker and woodworker, that could also produce what was needed to support building projects Its a class of skilled workers. Look at all the sources of the myth, Crete, Cyprus (copper), Malta (way port for Spainish tin). They are all part of the Minoan trade network, that specialised in metal work amongst other arts and engineering.
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I know it isn't a popular opinion, but the conditions around the removal of whichever object is in question must be examined - I have previously commented on the Elgin Marbles that I didn't consider the need to 'repatriate' them to Greece because when they were removed from Greece, it was under a deal with the then government [which was Turkish] so as far as I was concerned, it was a legal deal. Same goes for other items - if they were removed under conditions that were legal at that point in time, then they were not removed illegally, and no onus exists to ownership or transfer. It would be like claiming that the execution if Giles de Rey was illegal because currently France doesn't have a death penalty.
It seems that she unethically used her diplomatic status to remove antiquities from countries that would not have allowed it had they known. Unfortunately this is common practice by some diplomats.
I'm not Native American, but I really want to read that book.
The holes in the Roman Colosseum held poles which sailors used to make a cloth roof to keep customers cool. Those holes remind me of the rock slits of the Azores, and I think that they could be used to hold sails (not for sailing on dry land, but for making a tent). But that's a lot of work to make a temporary shelter.
I think her name is unfair. When she collected her artefacts, tomb raiders worked at night. Collecting during the dig wasn’t considered illegal
is there any sign found in ancient maya of the wheel used ? idea must have traveled and remained popular following man all over as he moved, evolved grew and developed construction. especially of such great weights. it seem the egyptians and the chinese had it best constructed with their chariots, just an ancient cart would not have to have such a more precise balance since speed was not the game, just transport of goods, family, the wounded and the smaller constructions. It also seems strange why ancient man may have Not used the horse, camel or ox so as to help drag/haul heavy things for them/with them. where is first evidence of that ???
The most compelling reason why the matter of Bob Heironimous and Phillip Morris was not noted is that in the two critical texts cited “Daegling’s “Bigfoot Exposed” and Loxton and Prothero’s “Abominable Science”, both of these clearly skeptical texts did not recognize Bob Heironimous and Phillip Morris as presenting claims of sufficient merit to be factored into those author’s analysis. Even though all authors were aware of the claims, they did not use the claims to establish a proof of hoax. So if skeptical authors and researchers cannot be confident the Heironimous and Morris are making truthful and reliable claims, then I felt that any mention of them would have required a lengthy disclosure of the issues which cast doubt on their credibility. If one were to advocate those claims by Heironimous and Morris as being truthful and factual, the claims would need to be analyzed with the same discipline and logic as all other evidence should be, and under that kind of analysis, the claims have not proven to be strong enough to be taken as fact, even by many skeptical analysists.
That photo showing the burial dig, what is that at bottom right ? a round hole, that a drain tube ? it is hard to see just what I am looking at of whole picture. also that ring with the gem on top, i have one exactly like it just my stone is smaller and, i made it myself :)
Are we missing a picture? (Indigenous guide, Pidru, explains the uses of some of the plants in the Amazon jungle of Ecuador. Credit: April Holloway)
Incredible :) Love ancient ruins, But do wonder if apollo's already ancient temple was intact for Paul to see it whole..? any proof ? yet the romans would want it kept intact ? since they never lost faith in the sun to do what it did, still does today :) I guess apollo was an alien, as depicted in ST episode 'who mourns for Adonius'. it is also a wonder where Paul is buried and how he would be marked to show it is him..?
just, what if those, aliens, decided to return ? hmmm
You wrote that closest living relatives are chimpanzees and gorillas. I have heard that bonobos are, with chimpanzees being second.
Is there anything unique in her "collection" that is not readily available for study in other museums? If not, she has doesn't really have things of any great value to the archaeological community. If she does have unusual findings, perhaps she would like to donate those to an institute for further study. The descriptions of her artifacts seem rather uncommon, so chill out on this dear lady's gatherings.
I imagine most would believe that the statements of:
Philip Morris, the man that sold the suit to Patterson
and
Bob Heironimus, the man that wore the suit
provide that kind of proof.
My question would be why was that not addressed in your article?
Where's fantastic treasures are to be found, no matter the risks or potential threats to life and limb, humans will go to every length to find and recover them. Case in point is the OAK ISLAND fiasco airing on the History Channel. Millions of dollars have been spent digging, drilling, diving, metal detecting, researching, theorizng, wondering, where the supposed Pirate, Buckineer,Templar, gold hoard treasure is.So far they very little to show for their efforts.
The fictional character Lady Lara Croft is called a Tomb Raider, of sorts , following in her Archaeologist fathers footsteps. She's a British Goverment SPY, DIPLOMAT, Aventuress, Archaeologist and seeker of rare artifacts that have powerful supernatural powers. Her mission is to locate these first before some rougue agencies out for world domination can get their hands on them. She'll slip into some archaeological dig - and steal what they are looking for. Which is actually common practice around the world if a site isn't guarded and protected around the clock...
Indiana Jones is the male version of Lara Croft - only he is a college proffessor teaching Archaeoological History... and he too is a Diplomat of the College, Government Agent, Aventurer, Treasure Seeker, Tomb Raider, and a rougue with the ladies. Jones has found the The Arc of the Covenant and experienced first hand the Wrath of God and survived! Top that Lara!
Thrilling stuff for Movies. Also bad for actual Archaeologist who have submit for foreign Government Permits telling what it is they are hoping to find, wait for permission, gather the Professional Phd degreed Professorial Achaeologist, Student helpers, Equipment and Supplies,Arrange Travel, and get all the other professional individuals from the hosting nation to monitor their activities. That is a far cry from Tomb Raiding! Of course, if the team discovers something wonderful and it has never been seen before - Great Acolades , Fame and rise in ranks of Archaeology is assured.
This is a completely crazy period. The Minoan empire had collapsed that stifled piracy, goods flowed, it all stopped with the thera erruption, the Mycaneans invaded, there was a global food crisis, every culture was clamping for anything they could get (the Sea Peoples raided any port to get anything of wealth). The Myceaneans knew very little about long-distance trade and logistics, sorry they didn't. The Phoenician did that learned this from Minoans and eventually resumed trade after the passage of the sea peoples. Mercenaries were contracted in to fight for the invader or the defender, the whole of lands around the med was at war, scrambling around for any metal they could take because the trade network and supply of tin had collapsed, that drove the Bronze age economy, in the same way as Oil drove the 20 century economy.
Is the author referring to the British Museum of TODAY or one of a century ago. I think if you look at all States at this time they all peddled their own propaganda.
The British Museum of today is extremely respectful of other cultures and does a fantastic job of preserving these treasured items, it is also balanced in its approach it frequently loans artefacts to Museums in the country of origin. Also, bear in mind that a lot of people visit London from all around the world, it is an excellent way to share in human achievement with everyone, it is entirely open, there isn't even a fee to visit any British public Museums, it could not be more open and exclusive.
If anything the British Museum doesn't impose their expertise and insight when description artefacts enough, it so factual and politically correct. You are referring to long gone days of empire. We as accept this, it is part of our historical culture but assuming we still think this way today is entirely incorrect, we welcome the diversity of the world and wish to enjoy it. A Brit.
This is pagan thought practised by Druids in Britain. They didn't write anything down!
However, their practices do oddly seem to have parallels with other cultures around the med. This makes a little more sense in this context. They had Apollo (the spear of light at summer solstice), I guess this is your green man. They also had a mother goddess (winter solstice). A fertility goddess (Aphrodite - birth of the day, east - spring equinox of equal day and night) and a goddess of the underworld/night (Artemis-mistress of animals - virgin, Athene type - representing night and autumn equinox - equal day and night).
It's a clever unified system as you can use these to represent cardinal direction, Seasons, day and night and length of the same, all together. Apollo south, mid-day (brightest light) and zenith at summer solstice. Mother goddess North, winter equinox shortest day. BTW this is also the main axis, the serpents refer to the Star constellations of Draco used to find the pole star and the serpent on the equator plane. Collectively, it all made sense.
April, not likely. The Egyptians had very little experience of sea navigation. The Minoans did, the Phoenicians did. Both traded with Egypt. Egyptian knowledge of Minoans was very limited, the Kaftui visited them to trade goods, they were known as coming from the islands they didn't have a clue where they were, it was an asymmetrical sea trade. The Minoan trade network was vast, it extended at least to Spain, but probably to Britanny/Britain for tin, that they needed to make bronze. Egyptian expeditions went anticlockwise around the med with the natural currents (you gain about 2 knots speed if you do, being in mind that under oar you can only go about 4-5 knots and losing 2knots if you have to row against a current is a big deal), across the pillars of Hercules to Africa along this coast then on the Egypt, up to Phoenician ports, then cypress and back to Crete. You pick up all this stuff on route.
I seem to remember reading that the land of punt was Madagascer, this would have been from the spanish port around the african coast, any trade goods could then be made available to other ports in the med through this node.
The one eye could be referring to workers of founderies of metal. They would wear a leather protective eye patch so if there was an accident, they did lose sight in the other eye. They were associated with building, there are even types recorded, copier (mould maker for last wax casting) , metalworker and woodworker, that could also produce what was needed to support building projects Its a class of skilled workers. Look at all the sources of the myth, Crete, Cyprus (copper), Malta (way port for Spainish tin). They are all part of the Minoan trade network, that specialised in metal work amongst other arts and engineering.
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