The matter is that ALL the analysis and tests and the scientists who performed them agreed with those who stated that the ossuary is authentic. Everything else is pure conjecture and speculation; after more than twelve years of attempts to eliminate this controversial find, the speculations melt ike snow in the sun with the final verdict.
I think this is apples and oranges: no one is saying the inscription is authentic because it can physically be dated to however old the box itself is, and I have a hard time believing a forger could create an ancient patina/microbial organisms as easily as an art forger could get his hands on some period ink. Methinks Ink is not a good comparison to ancient fungus.
Maybe this is what the story of Jericho and the walls that came tumbling down is actually saying as well: that with ultra low sounds you can make walls virtually ‘disappear’. Maybe it was a kind of initiatory story.
Wonder what they meant by “display objects” ? Not a very timely investigation, and it sounds like some sort of prank. Pretty bold though, wonder what they did with the dirt they removed under the triangle to make room for the concrete/altar/plinth, etc. Whether it’s satanic, pagan, or just a prank, seems to me the Queen’s primary concern would be security if a group of people did that on her property.
"when over pasteurizing (heating) cow’s milk destroyed the vitamin C'
What kind of Bullsh** is this statement. Milk contains little vitamin C, fruit and vegetables have a much higher C content. Why all of a sudden pop 'milk' into the article as it has no relevance to the rest of the article. It sounds like a little planned 'education' to me.
In fact the title of this article is irrelevant to the second half of the article.
It does go to show that if one eats a high meat diet it can be dangerous to ones health but the same cannot be said of a high plant based diet
Sorry, have to call you on that one, whether she was the pope or his wife, it would not make all Christians be Catholics. I have not heard of any religion that does not have off-shoots or groups that split from the main core of beliefs to establish branches or new groups. Many of those are in direct opposition to the originals in many ways.
As of this afternoon, June 24, 5 PM the fire is up to 100,000 acres, and still only 25% contained. Evacuartons continue, but no major structures burned so far. Smoke is affecting New Mexico and points east as well.
They were survivors of the very brave tribe of New York Natives called the Nehantucket. They fought the colonizers as if they didn’t care about death. But advisors from their fellow Eastern tribe told them to preserve at least some of their authentic features thus they were transported to Siberia. This is why their language, features etc is some how alien to their current location. Probably they crossed by land towards Alaska or by sea towards Greenland – > arctic → siberia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niantic_people
Voyager 1 has not left the solar system. The solar system includes the oort cloud. Voyager 1 would reach the Oort cloud in about 300 years and would take about 30,000 years to pass through it. The Oort cloud surrounds the Sun because of the Sun's influence, that is the gravitational influence. The voyager only flew past the heliosphere. The voyager 1 will be leaving the solar system in 30,000 years.
Once one sees the value of viewing an infinitely small point that centers the moment, one realizes that such a moment would continue into infinity and beyond and indeed likely it does, however the continuence occurs in eternity, Continuum, or Totality. For time to proceed a point occurs that allows time to proceed. With some consideration or perhaps Devine intervention, one sees the role time plays in the charge of particles protons if pulling on the future edge of the moment, and electrons lingering in the past edge, which being more certain than the uncertainty of the future, envelopes a greater envelope. Neutrons have both directions of time within and center themselves with the Eye of Ra. (!NOW!) Thus the proton can not bond with the electron yet remains an attractor of future force they stay separated in time. This virtually proves this is proper thinking about Temporal Dynamics.
Thinking of time as a line is not a proper focus for physics, rather thinking of time as a point, as !NOW! an absolute exact moment that proceces by steps of the highest vibration that belongs to this dimension. Higher frequencies passing beyond into the dimension above. All tones have harmonics the point of amplification provided force to the very highest. A440 is the modern A however Royal A was differing values like 467. Dropping octaves can play infrasound tones. The decimal of the resonance would lend to the exact value of middle A. Now consider that everything in the entire universe is trying to be in now at the same time, the result is a force called gravity, making that a temporal force. !NOW! shares it's interface with greater temporal dimensions, consider infinity, eternity, both real unlimited sources. Apply this thinking behind your finding and the ancient technology unravels. I would suggest among the functions of the devises, good beings could enter our space and take material form. This may explain stories of fallen angels, and Hermes Trismegistus.
Thank you for your comment also because it gives me the opportunity to explain better an important point: it is true, in the article
"Yaakov bar Yoseph achui de Yeshua" is translated: "James, son of Joseph, brother of Jesus”
But, as you rightly note, Ya’akov shoud be translated as Jacob, not James; this happens because a sort of gentilization of the name occurred in time. Since the 13th century we can retrace the first use of Iacomus in the latin versions of the Bible.
But it was in the following century that John Wycliffe translated for first time in English the Scriptures and he used Ya’akov as James. From then on we have James in our Bible, but there aren’t etymological or linguistical connections.
Maybe the following publications may offer a deeper understanding on the topic:
Hershel Shanks and Ben Witherington III, The Brother of Jesus: The Dramatic Story & Meaning of the First Archaeological Link to Jesus & His Family (New York: Harper Collins Publishers, 2003)
Ṭal Ilan, Lexicon of Jewish Names in Late Antiquity. Part IV: The Eastern Diaspora 330 BCE–650 CE (Tübingen: Mohr Siebeck, 2011).
thank you very much for your added details, very precise and useful.
I must say that using the term head could cause a misunderstanding because there was not really a head, they all knew – as Jesus said – they all had only one head, Christ, whatever else christian, even a respected apostle, was only a brother.
But someone had to be responsible, to coordinate all the cristian activities in the world, and James, as you correctly write, was then in charge, but this doest mean he was the head of all. It is interesting that in the Jerusalem Council you mention, also Peter expressed himself but was James the man who concluded the meeting with the final decision taken after listening all and with the guide of the Scriptures and Holy Spirit. So not even Peter was the first Pope, or head of the main congregation.
Anyway I appreciate very much your comment, extremely interesting the presumed site of Jesus family tomb,also your reply to the statement about Ya’akov/James.
Rerding your final statement, well I think it is a matter of point of view: since, as researchers, we are interested in truth, facts, documents, evidences and correct interpretation of them, different opinions may only add new life and give new light to research.
It is nice having readers so learnt and interested.
thank you very much for your added details, very precise and useful.
I must say that using the term head could cause a misunderstanding because there was not really a head, they all knew – as Jesus said – they all had only one head, Christ, whatever else christian, even a respected apostle, was only a brother.
But someone had to be responsible, to coordinate all the cristian activities in the world, and James, as you correctly write, was then in charge, but this doest mean he was the head of all. It is interesting that in the Jerusalem Council you mention, also Peter expressed himself but was James the man who concluded the meeting with the final decision taken after listening all and with the guide of the Scriptures and Holy Spirit. So not even Peter was the first Pope, or head of the main congregation.
Anyway I appreciate very much your comment, extremely interesting the presumed site of Jesus family tomb,also your reply to the statement about Ya’akov/James.
Rerding your final statement, well I think it is a matter of point of view: since, as researchers, we are interested in truth, facts, documents, evidences and correct interpretation of them, different opinions may only add new life and give new light to research.
It is nice having readers so learnt and interested.
James in this case is Joseph’s, not Jesus’ son, and Mary was a widow, not Joseph, I think it is a typing error.
Anyway I’m glad to know that some Catholics know that Mary (not Joseph) when Jesus died, was a widow since Jesus on the torture stake entrusted her to the Apostle John so that he might take care of her as the gospels record.
The problem is that the Holy See religious authorities created a dogma in XX century basing upon a wrong historical new, forcing all the Catolics to believe that Mary had no sons or daughter, the dogma of Mary ever virgin, while she had from Joseph in the last thirty years some sons and daughters.
This is the cover up, reflected on the main topic of the article.
I told everything simply reporting facts and events, with no personal involvement but with the direct testimony of the involved people and the most accurate information.
Anyway I agree, science and archaologist must be extremely accurate.
thank you very much for your comment, clearly interesting; anyway I must say It was not only the chemical analysis of the fungus that was the definitive proof, but all the evidences that over the course of more than twelve years led the accusing organisations and individual researchers to withdraw their accusations one after the other, and finally the reality of the facts became clear. I therefore apologise if this fact has not been clarified further in the article, but in any case the chemical issue of the fungus has been defined as one of the most important tests which must be framed together with all the others.
And as you can imagine, the trial of the century, with all the world VS Oded Golan, Prof. Lemaire and BAR magazine, lasted more than a decade, with the involvement of the best scientists for the chemical, geologicale, textual, etc analysis needed more than a fungus to admist theywere wrong.
James wasn’t just an important member of the Church, he was the head of the Church for 30 years after Jesus died, until his murder in about 62 AD. One of his most significant rulings was when Paul appealed to have uncircumcised gentiles to be allowed membership in the Church, which was granted by James, and which enabled the membership of the Church to grow exponentially.
As to the ossuary, an interesting aspect to its history is that it was almost certainly originally located in what is known as the ‘Talpiot Tomb’, discovered in 1980. When opened, the tomb contained 11 ossuaries; subsequently, one went missing. Scientific spectrum testing found that the patina of the later rediscovered James ossuary matched the patina of the others in the tomb. Accumulation of patina is unique to its location so this is a powerful argument that the ossuaries all rested together (disputed, as is everything regarding this mystery). Because of the inscriptions on the other ossuaries with names peculiar to Jesus’ family, (and possibly even including Mary Magdalene [Marianne]!) and in consideration of the statistical probabilities of these names occuring together, the tomb came to be known as the Jesus Family Tomb.
There is a wealth of archaeological, historical, philological, and scientific study regarding this ossuary which make fascinating study. Biblical Archaeological Review has reported extensively on the ossuary, in agonizing detail, and Herschel Shanks became convinced that the inscription(s) were genuine and original to the period of the ossuary. Obviously any absolute certainty is impossible, and the issues of faith, politics, and archaeologists’ dispute make any concensus of agreement similarly impossible.
Very true, though if you [generic you, that is] think that Joseph and Mary would never have sex or procreate ever again after she had Jesus, you would be very wrong ... so while it is perfectly possible he was the brother of Jesus, he could have also only been the step/half brother.
Just like Jesus would probably been married to some woman or another - at that point in time unless there was something wrong with you, or you were active Roman Army, you were married. Nothing wrong, but it is what it is. And nowhere in the bible does it say that Jesus spent his adult life chaste, and he does seem to spend a heck of a lot of time with Mary of Magdala ...
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Dear Mr. Tyler,
thank you for your comment, I too agree with you.
The matter is that ALL the analysis and tests and the scientists who performed them agreed with those who stated that the ossuary is authentic. Everything else is pure conjecture and speculation; after more than twelve years of attempts to eliminate this controversial find, the speculations melt ike snow in the sun with the final verdict.
Thank you again for your comment.
Pierluigi Tombetti
I think this is apples and oranges: no one is saying the inscription is authentic because it can physically be dated to however old the box itself is, and I have a hard time believing a forger could create an ancient patina/microbial organisms as easily as an art forger could get his hands on some period ink. Methinks Ink is not a good comparison to ancient fungus.
Maybe this is what the story of Jericho and the walls that came tumbling down is actually saying as well: that with ultra low sounds you can make walls virtually ‘disappear’. Maybe it was a kind of initiatory story.
Maybe…
Wonder what they meant by “display objects” ? Not a very timely investigation, and it sounds like some sort of prank. Pretty bold though, wonder what they did with the dirt they removed under the triangle to make room for the concrete/altar/plinth, etc. Whether it’s satanic, pagan, or just a prank, seems to me the Queen’s primary concern would be security if a group of people did that on her property.
"when over pasteurizing (heating) cow’s milk destroyed the vitamin C'
What kind of Bullsh** is this statement. Milk contains little vitamin C, fruit and vegetables have a much higher C content. Why all of a sudden pop 'milk' into the article as it has no relevance to the rest of the article. It sounds like a little planned 'education' to me.
In fact the title of this article is irrelevant to the second half of the article.
It does go to show that if one eats a high meat diet it can be dangerous to ones health but the same cannot be said of a high plant based diet
Sorry, have to call you on that one, whether she was the pope or his wife, it would not make all Christians be Catholics. I have not heard of any religion that does not have off-shoots or groups that split from the main core of beliefs to establish branches or new groups. Many of those are in direct opposition to the originals in many ways.
As of this afternoon, June 24, 5 PM the fire is up to 100,000 acres, and still only 25% contained. Evacuartons continue, but no major structures burned so far. Smoke is affecting New Mexico and points east as well.
They were survivors of the very brave tribe of New York Natives called the Nehantucket. They fought the colonizers as if they didn’t care about death. But advisors from their fellow Eastern tribe told them to preserve at least some of their authentic features thus they were transported to Siberia. This is why their language, features etc is some how alien to their current location. Probably they crossed by land towards Alaska or by sea towards Greenland – > arctic → siberia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niantic_people
Voyager 1 has not left the solar system. The solar system includes the oort cloud. Voyager 1 would reach the Oort cloud in about 300 years and would take about 30,000 years to pass through it. The Oort cloud surrounds the Sun because of the Sun's influence, that is the gravitational influence. The voyager only flew past the heliosphere. The voyager 1 will be leaving the solar system in 30,000 years.
Once one sees the value of viewing an infinitely small point that centers the moment, one realizes that such a moment would continue into infinity and beyond and indeed likely it does, however the continuence occurs in eternity, Continuum, or Totality. For time to proceed a point occurs that allows time to proceed. With some consideration or perhaps Devine intervention, one sees the role time plays in the charge of particles protons if pulling on the future edge of the moment, and electrons lingering in the past edge, which being more certain than the uncertainty of the future, envelopes a greater envelope. Neutrons have both directions of time within and center themselves with the Eye of Ra. (!NOW!) Thus the proton can not bond with the electron yet remains an attractor of future force they stay separated in time. This virtually proves this is proper thinking about Temporal Dynamics.
Thinking of time as a line is not a proper focus for physics, rather thinking of time as a point, as !NOW! an absolute exact moment that proceces by steps of the highest vibration that belongs to this dimension. Higher frequencies passing beyond into the dimension above. All tones have harmonics the point of amplification provided force to the very highest. A440 is the modern A however Royal A was differing values like 467. Dropping octaves can play infrasound tones. The decimal of the resonance would lend to the exact value of middle A. Now consider that everything in the entire universe is trying to be in now at the same time, the result is a force called gravity, making that a temporal force. !NOW! shares it's interface with greater temporal dimensions, consider infinity, eternity, both real unlimited sources. Apply this thinking behind your finding and the ancient technology unravels. I would suggest among the functions of the devises, good beings could enter our space and take material form. This may explain stories of fallen angels, and Hermes Trismegistus.
Dear reader,
Thank you for your comment also because it gives me the opportunity to explain better an important point: it is true, in the article
"Yaakov bar Yoseph achui de Yeshua" is translated: "James, son of Joseph, brother of Jesus”
But, as you rightly note, Ya’akov shoud be translated as Jacob, not James; this happens because a sort of gentilization of the name occurred in time. Since the 13th century we can retrace the first use of Iacomus in the latin versions of the Bible.
But it was in the following century that John Wycliffe translated for first time in English the Scriptures and he used Ya’akov as James. From then on we have James in our Bible, but there aren’t etymological or linguistical connections.
Maybe the following publications may offer a deeper understanding on the topic:
Hershel Shanks and Ben Witherington III, The Brother of Jesus: The Dramatic Story & Meaning of the First Archaeological Link to Jesus & His Family (New York: Harper Collins Publishers, 2003)
Ṭal Ilan, Lexicon of Jewish Names in Late Antiquity. Part IV: The Eastern Diaspora 330 BCE–650 CE (Tübingen: Mohr Siebeck, 2011).
Dear Reader,
thank you very much for your added details, very precise and useful.
I must say that using the term head could cause a misunderstanding because there was not really a head, they all knew – as Jesus said – they all had only one head, Christ, whatever else christian, even a respected apostle, was only a brother.
But someone had to be responsible, to coordinate all the cristian activities in the world, and James, as you correctly write, was then in charge, but this doest mean he was the head of all. It is interesting that in the Jerusalem Council you mention, also Peter expressed himself but was James the man who concluded the meeting with the final decision taken after listening all and with the guide of the Scriptures and Holy Spirit. So not even Peter was the first Pope, or head of the main congregation.
Anyway I appreciate very much your comment, extremely interesting the presumed site of Jesus family tomb,also your reply to the statement about Ya’akov/James.
Rerding your final statement, well I think it is a matter of point of view: since, as researchers, we are interested in truth, facts, documents, evidences and correct interpretation of them, different opinions may only add new life and give new light to research.
It is nice having readers so learnt and interested.
Thank you again,
Pierluigi Tombetti
Dear Reader,
thank you very much for your added details, very precise and useful.
I must say that using the term head could cause a misunderstanding because there was not really a head, they all knew – as Jesus said – they all had only one head, Christ, whatever else christian, even a respected apostle, was only a brother.
But someone had to be responsible, to coordinate all the cristian activities in the world, and James, as you correctly write, was then in charge, but this doest mean he was the head of all. It is interesting that in the Jerusalem Council you mention, also Peter expressed himself but was James the man who concluded the meeting with the final decision taken after listening all and with the guide of the Scriptures and Holy Spirit. So not even Peter was the first Pope, or head of the main congregation.
Anyway I appreciate very much your comment, extremely interesting the presumed site of Jesus family tomb,also your reply to the statement about Ya’akov/James.
Rerding your final statement, well I think it is a matter of point of view: since, as researchers, we are interested in truth, facts, documents, evidences and correct interpretation of them, different opinions may only add new life and give new light to research.
It is nice having readers so learnt and interested.
Thank you again,
Pierluigi Tombetti
Dear reader,
I appreciate your comment, thank you for it.
James in this case is Joseph’s, not Jesus’ son, and Mary was a widow, not Joseph, I think it is a typing error.
Anyway I’m glad to know that some Catholics know that Mary (not Joseph) when Jesus died, was a widow since Jesus on the torture stake entrusted her to the Apostle John so that he might take care of her as the gospels record.
The problem is that the Holy See religious authorities created a dogma in XX century basing upon a wrong historical new, forcing all the Catolics to believe that Mary had no sons or daughter, the dogma of Mary ever virgin, while she had from Joseph in the last thirty years some sons and daughters.
This is the cover up, reflected on the main topic of the article.
I told everything simply reporting facts and events, with no personal involvement but with the direct testimony of the involved people and the most accurate information.
Anyway I agree, science and archaologist must be extremely accurate.
Thank you again for your comment.
Dear reader,
thank you very much for your comment, clearly interesting; anyway I must say It was not only the chemical analysis of the fungus that was the definitive proof, but all the evidences that over the course of more than twelve years led the accusing organisations and individual researchers to withdraw their accusations one after the other, and finally the reality of the facts became clear. I therefore apologise if this fact has not been clarified further in the article, but in any case the chemical issue of the fungus has been defined as one of the most important tests which must be framed together with all the others.
And as you can imagine, the trial of the century, with all the world VS Oded Golan, Prof. Lemaire and BAR magazine, lasted more than a decade, with the involvement of the best scientists for the chemical, geologicale, textual, etc analysis needed more than a fungus to admist theywere wrong.
Thank you again for your comment,
Pierluigi Tombetti
Replying to JROTTER100:
James is the Latin form of the name Jacob, originally in Hebrew Ya'aqov.
James wasn’t just an important member of the Church, he was the head of the Church for 30 years after Jesus died, until his murder in about 62 AD. One of his most significant rulings was when Paul appealed to have uncircumcised gentiles to be allowed membership in the Church, which was granted by James, and which enabled the membership of the Church to grow exponentially.
As to the ossuary, an interesting aspect to its history is that it was almost certainly originally located in what is known as the ‘Talpiot Tomb’, discovered in 1980. When opened, the tomb contained 11 ossuaries; subsequently, one went missing. Scientific spectrum testing found that the patina of the later rediscovered James ossuary matched the patina of the others in the tomb. Accumulation of patina is unique to its location so this is a powerful argument that the ossuaries all rested together (disputed, as is everything regarding this mystery). Because of the inscriptions on the other ossuaries with names peculiar to Jesus’ family, (and possibly even including Mary Magdalene [Marianne]!) and in consideration of the statistical probabilities of these names occuring together, the tomb came to be known as the Jesus Family Tomb.
There is a wealth of archaeological, historical, philological, and scientific study regarding this ossuary which make fascinating study. Biblical Archaeological Review has reported extensively on the ossuary, in agonizing detail, and Herschel Shanks became convinced that the inscription(s) were genuine and original to the period of the ossuary. Obviously any absolute certainty is impossible, and the issues of faith, politics, and archaeologists’ dispute make any concensus of agreement similarly impossible.
Yakov bar Yosef translation is Jacob son of Joseph and not James as quoted
Very true, though if you [generic you, that is] think that Joseph and Mary would never have sex or procreate ever again after she had Jesus, you would be very wrong ... so while it is perfectly possible he was the brother of Jesus, he could have also only been the step/half brother.
Just like Jesus would probably been married to some woman or another - at that point in time unless there was something wrong with you, or you were active Roman Army, you were married. Nothing wrong, but it is what it is. And nowhere in the bible does it say that Jesus spent his adult life chaste, and he does seem to spend a heck of a lot of time with Mary of Magdala ...
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