the Scythians were centered around the Pontic steppe. The Proto Indo-European language is said to have been centered in the Russian (Pontic Steppe). the Greek legends also say the Centaur teacher of heroes Chryon was located in the land of the Scythians. I think its safe to assume they were more than just nomads at some point. Remember the Rome Napoleon encountered was nowhere near as advanced as that of the Caesars. All cultures have a rise, an apex and a fall.
Stashes of gold and the various tales/histories that have built up around them have inspired many legends. Gold hidden by Apaches in a mountain in the edge of White Sands Proving Grounds was supposedly discovered by civilians and then recovered and confiscated by the US Army. A wagon-load was supposedly secreted by natives during the Pueblo Uprising in 1680’s somewhere in western New Mexico. And don’t forget the Lost Dutchman, maybe not a mine, but another stash of Apache gold. Those three could all be contained within a relatively small area on a map of the western US.
There must be some truth there somewhere, I was convinced enough to spend many weekends hunting traipsing thru the wilds of the Gila, even spending a couple of days lost in that wilderness. Alas, no success, but one can always dream.
Hello, I am writing to ask you to correct these two imprecisions. Firstly, Macedons were Greeks so you can say Athenians, Spartans revolted against them but not Greeks revolted against them (as there was no greek state at the time) and secondly you say that Lysimachus invaded Turkey. There was no turkish state at the time being, Turks came 1000 years later in the area. You can either say the area that modern Turkey occupies or Asia Minor. Thank you
Hi Merryme (?)! Thanks for the interest! I cover this topic extensively in “Stress R Us”, as it is such a major featuere of “modern” life. If our Hunter-Gatherer ancestors had a fairly stable population of 2.6M before the “agricultural revolution” (6-12kya), then we are 3,000 timnes more densely populated and exceeding our natural resource base, so let the battle begin, go on endlessly (“endless war”). Endless war is an inevitable consequence and element of population density stress. Hunter-Gatherers fight over actual territory and its resources, but we moderns have invented symbolic territory and it is responsible for our massive overpopulation, which can only end with total resource depletion and collapse of the natural environment, which appears to be ongoing currently, right? Have a great day!
Well this is the latest turn on the story of Sparticus & his slave revolt. As a kid I saw the epic Hollywood movie with Kirk Douglas. I didn't see the 2 cable tv mini-series; I did see the History Channels Doc. on him as well as an article in Military History magazine; in both it's mentioned that he was married & his wife was also sold into slavery. I could mention other differences but it all means the same thing: there’s no reliable historical reporting of Sparticus or his revolt.And modern scholars can only speculate. It's a shame though I guess not surprising. And the above 2 part article is nicely done but not that definitive. I wish there was a definitive history of this person. Speculation cannot be excluded of course but at least do it based on the facts that know about this era. If Sparticus was in the Roman army wouldn’t he be an auxilery rather than a Legionare & would’ve he been married even though being part of the Roman army would discouraged that, perhaps. And what tactics did Sparticus use to defeat the Legions? I could go on but no. A good article that encourages more questions.
This is exciting News to read about here at Ancient Origins congratulations should be forwarded to Marine Archaeologist Franck Goddio & Team that made the discovery of Cleopatra's Lost City. Who knows perhaps Atlantis maybe found one day.
I have to say this is the first time, I've even heard of this Lost City; pertaining to Cleopatra. My first thought upon learning of this I recalled some poignant moments from The Old Testament in The Bible ah Isaiah I believe which has an entire chapter dedicated to what Judgement's God said He would pour out on Ancient Egypt.
Recognizing that both Historians and Humanities tend to avoid this explanation of what may have happened to Cleopatra's Lost City and all of Egypt's Temple's, an of course that spectacular connection too Hercules who was said to first set foot in Egypt.
As I've said going back to the Hercules detail in this here article due too previous comments about other Subjects and Topics, that I have shared; I've been learning through, my reading of Enoch, that it is a possibility there really was A Hercules and He might have very well ventured into Egypt Long before Egypt became the splendid Dynasty we still marvel at even today.
I can't wait for all of the discoveries Franck Goddio will find while studying and exploring the Sight Hey there aren't any Crocodiles or Sharks in that Spot is there?
Great Find this is all I have to share about this Subject Underwater Lost City of Cleopatra so until next time, Everyone, Goodbye!
Cooking probably started in savannah-like conditions in Africa. Frozen meat is scarce in such warm climates to say the least.
More likely bushfire kills were found to be tasty. In Australia, hawks and eagles target the small animals fleeing low intensity fires and will also take the dead which are not too charred.
It is not hard to see possible parallels with early human behaviour. I wouldn't be surprised if early omnivorous humans were more scavengers than hunters, albeit scavengers capable of using group force to disposess successful hunters, much like hyenas do. If that is the case, the finding of weapons at early stages does not necessarily indicate hunting, nor would a lack of hunting indicate a lack of cooking. In that sense, I've no doubt you're correct.
Imagine finding a dead frozen animal , just start a fire and warm it up! that is how cooking started! too simple? then find a more complicated answer !
World wide myths & legends of Little People is really not proof of an actual ‘race’ of such people. We do have physical proof that there may have been groups of so-called Little People that did give rise to all these myths; the so-called Pygmy peoples of the Aftrican Congo & the discovery of the extinct Homo Floresiensis on the island of Flores. The so-called ‘Hobbit’ of Flores should of have been mentioned as possible proof that more of these tribes of little-people may have existed. As to the structures of Skara Brae in the British Isles or those supposedly built by Dwarfish Menehune in Hawian islands; we need excavated fossil-bones like those in Flores near these ruins to confirm that these structures were built by these little-people. It shouldn’t be hard to do; practically all people of any height buried their dead.
I am a retired neuropsychiatrist in the US (Madison, Wisconsin) and have been a lifelong student of behavior across the spectuirm of life. In order to fully understand both “normal” and abnormal human behavior and treatments, which is the core knowledge of psychiatry, I have developed a long experience (42yrs.) of clinical neuropsychiatry and am an avid student of the history and prehistory of humans, among myriad other species. Eventually, I came to realize the central role of what I have come to call “population density stress” in the etiology of “mental illness” and all human illness. The details of my discoveries can be found in “Stress R Us”, a 620 page online PDF and Amazon PB, as well as two small run privately published monographs on my palaeolithic artifact collections, including the “BERLIN” collection (including Venus figurines and spearthrowers and lithic tools) and the Neanderthal tool making type-set labelled “Le Moustier, Peyzak”. Anyone seriously interested can contact me at [email protected]. Thanks for this site, although anything neolithic or later has little interest for me as the behavior is well understood and documented. Have a great day!
Queen Sheba piqued my interest only because it reminded me of something in the Bible about Queen Sheba it's found in The Book of Act's actually Queen Candace her Immissary Christ Apostle Philip overheard Studying The Scrolls of Isaiah.
He was reading about The Crucifixion of Christ his subsequent arrest and Death but the prediction of His Resurrection. It's been established that Queen Candace was in fact an direct Ancestor of Queen Sheba.
Also it was apparent Ethiopia as an entire Nation had been studying Ancient Writings of an Redeemer destined to save the World.
Considering Ethiopia has upheld the practice of Judaism as well Christianity for centuries which most likely dates back too Sheba's meeting with King Solomon.
This is all I wish to share on Queen Sheba until next time, Everyone, Goodbye!
While accepting that the removal of hands and arms could have been accidental excavation damage, I am inclined to think that this was a specific punishment for a pretender to the throne. Lindow Man (from Cheshire) is also bereft of legs and genitals. The stripping of all signs of regal power while retaining the hairstyle with a fine cockscomb gives me to think that this person had been away from his home lands for some time. Maybe as a slave or a guest at a foreign prestigious location where he adopted the style and fashion of his hosts. On his return perhaps he thought he was entitled to lead his own people, but the ruling class thought otherwise and chose to punish him for his presumption.
Evidence exists that Lindow man was more likely to be a ritual killing and was probably drugged. He was strangled, hit over the head and drowned in a three fold death. He also had been cared for and did no manual work. The injuries inflicted were not for posterity, though they might have been, since other items must have been found in the past of the perpetrators in a good state of preservation. they were probably carried out in front of an audience to demonstrate the power of the tribe and its chief.
Throughout History, there has been the quest for ‘wealth’. In Orehistory it a[ppears to be the power to place inferior beings under an obligation to us through competitive gift giving. I think we still do it in celebrating seasons and between nations. I think on looking back at Arthur, his treasure lay more in the concept of chivalry, the Round Table, copied later by the Order of the Garter and the Rotarian movements. Gold and jewels can only be enjoyed by displaying them melting them down to buy goods (and slaves) or just to prevent others from seeing them.
There have been claims of Egyptian artifacts discovered in the Americas. Little is known of where the renowned seafarers the Phoenecians went, but they probably visited Britain and Ireland (it has been suggested that Ireland was Atlantis and there are certainly many areas of land in the north-west of Europe which have disappeared under the sea since the Bronze Age). I believe the Phoenicians would have been able to sail to the Americas as easily as Columbus.
I have always thought that Plato’s Atlantis was a confusion of two different stories. First, a volcanic eruption in the mediterranean which would fit well with Santorini. Second, a spoken memory of a long forgotten land over the sea, which would be the Americas.
It has always suggested to me that America was known about long before the Greek civilisation
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the Scythians were centered around the Pontic steppe. The Proto Indo-European language is said to have been centered in the Russian (Pontic Steppe). the Greek legends also say the Centaur teacher of heroes Chryon was located in the land of the Scythians. I think its safe to assume they were more than just nomads at some point. Remember the Rome Napoleon encountered was nowhere near as advanced as that of the Caesars. All cultures have a rise, an apex and a fall.
Stashes of gold and the various tales/histories that have built up around them have inspired many legends. Gold hidden by Apaches in a mountain in the edge of White Sands Proving Grounds was supposedly discovered by civilians and then recovered and confiscated by the US Army. A wagon-load was supposedly secreted by natives during the Pueblo Uprising in 1680’s somewhere in western New Mexico. And don’t forget the Lost Dutchman, maybe not a mine, but another stash of Apache gold. Those three could all be contained within a relatively small area on a map of the western US.
There must be some truth there somewhere, I was convinced enough to spend many weekends hunting traipsing thru the wilds of the Gila, even spending a couple of days lost in that wilderness. Alas, no success, but one can always dream.
Hello, I am writing to ask you to correct these two imprecisions. Firstly, Macedons were Greeks so you can say Athenians, Spartans revolted against them but not Greeks revolted against them (as there was no greek state at the time) and secondly you say that Lysimachus invaded Turkey. There was no turkish state at the time being, Turks came 1000 years later in the area. You can either say the area that modern Turkey occupies or Asia Minor. Thank you
Hi Merryme (?)! Thanks for the interest! I cover this topic extensively in “Stress R Us”, as it is such a major featuere of “modern” life. If our Hunter-Gatherer ancestors had a fairly stable population of 2.6M before the “agricultural revolution” (6-12kya), then we are 3,000 timnes more densely populated and exceeding our natural resource base, so let the battle begin, go on endlessly (“endless war”). Endless war is an inevitable consequence and element of population density stress. Hunter-Gatherers fight over actual territory and its resources, but we moderns have invented symbolic territory and it is responsible for our massive overpopulation, which can only end with total resource depletion and collapse of the natural environment, which appears to be ongoing currently, right? Have a great day!
Hi, Greely,
For me, your opinion on “population density stress” makes logical sense, absolutely.
Yesterday, I spotted this article:
https://www.sciencealert.com/croatian-man-digging-foundations-for-his-garage-unveils-an-ancient-massacre
Can we connect ancient group/tribal violent resource-competition, with modern circumstances?
The US has secretly been amassing the largest gold
fortune imaginable since 1948. China has been late to the game but has played catch up at a remarkable rate.
so Ashley, in summary, I'm not surprised to your story. You might have done one on how rain is wet and it might have surprised me more.
Btw, my data is dead on and 10000 percent correct.
Well this is the latest turn on the story of Sparticus & his slave revolt. As a kid I saw the epic Hollywood movie with Kirk Douglas. I didn't see the 2 cable tv mini-series; I did see the History Channels Doc. on him as well as an article in Military History magazine; in both it's mentioned that he was married & his wife was also sold into slavery. I could mention other differences but it all means the same thing: there’s no reliable historical reporting of Sparticus or his revolt.And modern scholars can only speculate. It's a shame though I guess not surprising. And the above 2 part article is nicely done but not that definitive. I wish there was a definitive history of this person. Speculation cannot be excluded of course but at least do it based on the facts that know about this era. If Sparticus was in the Roman army wouldn’t he be an auxilery rather than a Legionare & would’ve he been married even though being part of the Roman army would discouraged that, perhaps. And what tactics did Sparticus use to defeat the Legions? I could go on but no. A good article that encourages more questions.
Hi All,
This is exciting News to read about here at Ancient Origins congratulations should be forwarded to Marine Archaeologist Franck Goddio & Team that made the discovery of Cleopatra's Lost City. Who knows perhaps Atlantis maybe found one day.
I have to say this is the first time, I've even heard of this Lost City; pertaining to Cleopatra. My first thought upon learning of this I recalled some poignant moments from The Old Testament in The Bible ah Isaiah I believe which has an entire chapter dedicated to what Judgement's God said He would pour out on Ancient Egypt.
Recognizing that both Historians and Humanities tend to avoid this explanation of what may have happened to Cleopatra's Lost City and all of Egypt's Temple's, an of course that spectacular connection too Hercules who was said to first set foot in Egypt.
As I've said going back to the Hercules detail in this here article due too previous comments about other Subjects and Topics, that I have shared; I've been learning through, my reading of Enoch, that it is a possibility there really was A Hercules and He might have very well ventured into Egypt Long before Egypt became the splendid Dynasty we still marvel at even today.
I can't wait for all of the discoveries Franck Goddio will find while studying and exploring the Sight Hey there aren't any Crocodiles or Sharks in that Spot is there?
Great Find this is all I have to share about this Subject Underwater Lost City of Cleopatra so until next time, Everyone, Goodbye!
Cooking probably started in savannah-like conditions in Africa. Frozen meat is scarce in such warm climates to say the least.
More likely bushfire kills were found to be tasty. In Australia, hawks and eagles target the small animals fleeing low intensity fires and will also take the dead which are not too charred.
It is not hard to see possible parallels with early human behaviour. I wouldn't be surprised if early omnivorous humans were more scavengers than hunters, albeit scavengers capable of using group force to disposess successful hunters, much like hyenas do. If that is the case, the finding of weapons at early stages does not necessarily indicate hunting, nor would a lack of hunting indicate a lack of cooking. In that sense, I've no doubt you're correct.
Imagine finding a dead frozen animal , just start a fire and warm it up! that is how cooking started! too simple? then find a more complicated answer !
World wide myths & legends of Little People is really not proof of an actual ‘race’ of such people. We do have physical proof that there may have been groups of so-called Little People that did give rise to all these myths; the so-called Pygmy peoples of the Aftrican Congo & the discovery of the extinct Homo Floresiensis on the island of Flores. The so-called ‘Hobbit’ of Flores should of have been mentioned as possible proof that more of these tribes of little-people may have existed. As to the structures of Skara Brae in the British Isles or those supposedly built by Dwarfish Menehune in Hawian islands; we need excavated fossil-bones like those in Flores near these ruins to confirm that these structures were built by these little-people. It shouldn’t be hard to do; practically all people of any height buried their dead.
How we found the Cat in the London Museum: https://glennashton.blogspot.com/2010/11/the-gayer-anderson-cat-our-firs...
I am a retired neuropsychiatrist in the US (Madison, Wisconsin) and have been a lifelong student of behavior across the spectuirm of life. In order to fully understand both “normal” and abnormal human behavior and treatments, which is the core knowledge of psychiatry, I have developed a long experience (42yrs.) of clinical neuropsychiatry and am an avid student of the history and prehistory of humans, among myriad other species. Eventually, I came to realize the central role of what I have come to call “population density stress” in the etiology of “mental illness” and all human illness. The details of my discoveries can be found in “Stress R Us”, a 620 page online PDF and Amazon PB, as well as two small run privately published monographs on my palaeolithic artifact collections, including the “BERLIN” collection (including Venus figurines and spearthrowers and lithic tools) and the Neanderthal tool making type-set labelled “Le Moustier, Peyzak”. Anyone seriously interested can contact me at [email protected]. Thanks for this site, although anything neolithic or later has little interest for me as the behavior is well understood and documented. Have a great day!
Hi All,
Queen Sheba piqued my interest only because it reminded me of something in the Bible about Queen Sheba it's found in The Book of Act's actually Queen Candace her Immissary Christ Apostle Philip overheard Studying The Scrolls of Isaiah.
He was reading about The Crucifixion of Christ his subsequent arrest and Death but the prediction of His Resurrection. It's been established that Queen Candace was in fact an direct Ancestor of Queen Sheba.
Also it was apparent Ethiopia as an entire Nation had been studying Ancient Writings of an Redeemer destined to save the World.
Considering Ethiopia has upheld the practice of Judaism as well Christianity for centuries which most likely dates back too Sheba's meeting with King Solomon.
This is all I wish to share on Queen Sheba until next time, Everyone, Goodbye!
While accepting that the removal of hands and arms could have been accidental excavation damage, I am inclined to think that this was a specific punishment for a pretender to the throne. Lindow Man (from Cheshire) is also bereft of legs and genitals. The stripping of all signs of regal power while retaining the hairstyle with a fine cockscomb gives me to think that this person had been away from his home lands for some time. Maybe as a slave or a guest at a foreign prestigious location where he adopted the style and fashion of his hosts. On his return perhaps he thought he was entitled to lead his own people, but the ruling class thought otherwise and chose to punish him for his presumption.
Evidence exists that Lindow man was more likely to be a ritual killing and was probably drugged. He was strangled, hit over the head and drowned in a three fold death. He also had been cared for and did no manual work. The injuries inflicted were not for posterity, though they might have been, since other items must have been found in the past of the perpetrators in a good state of preservation. they were probably carried out in front of an audience to demonstrate the power of the tribe and its chief.
Throughout History, there has been the quest for ‘wealth’. In Orehistory it a[ppears to be the power to place inferior beings under an obligation to us through competitive gift giving. I think we still do it in celebrating seasons and between nations. I think on looking back at Arthur, his treasure lay more in the concept of chivalry, the Round Table, copied later by the Order of the Garter and the Rotarian movements. Gold and jewels can only be enjoyed by displaying them melting them down to buy goods (and slaves) or just to prevent others from seeing them.
Fact: the highest incident of psychopathy resides in a single ethnic group.
If you are interested in this I would recommend looking up Yvonne Whiteman and her work on the Kolbrin texts
There have been claims of Egyptian artifacts discovered in the Americas. Little is known of where the renowned seafarers the Phoenecians went, but they probably visited Britain and Ireland (it has been suggested that Ireland was Atlantis and there are certainly many areas of land in the north-west of Europe which have disappeared under the sea since the Bronze Age). I believe the Phoenicians would have been able to sail to the Americas as easily as Columbus.
I have always thought that Plato’s Atlantis was a confusion of two different stories. First, a volcanic eruption in the mediterranean which would fit well with Santorini. Second, a spoken memory of a long forgotten land over the sea, which would be the Americas.
It has always suggested to me that America was known about long before the Greek civilisation
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