These remains only take us back to 5500 BC, if that. The Basques may well have been related to the Cro Magnon men who lived in this area 40,000 BC. Without a trail across Europe or Africa for these people to suddenly appear in Western Europe, one has to ask, where did they come from before Western Europe, or did they magically appear there out of nothing?
Very close to the modern Basque land is the location given by Plato for Atlantis. If we ignore all of the claims of Atlantis all over the planet, and go back to the source of the story, the legendary island faced Gadira (modern Cadiz, Spain) and was roughly the size of ancient Libya and Asia Minor -- perhaps 2-3x the size of Texas. We already have 3 pieces of evidence which tend to support the Atlantis event of 9600 BC.
Egyptian Pharaohs had very high egos obviously. If the great pyramid was really built during the reign of Khufu hieroglyphics would have everywhere in the great pyramid especially after 20 years of hard labor. A growing section of the planet is being awakened to the fact that the great pyramid predates the dynasties by a considerable amount of time. The inference is that civilizations do not necessarily advance linearly during time for whatever reasons.
Neanderthals had the upper hand dealing with colder climates, being familiar with the terrain and they probably were smarter and stronger (brain capacity/bone density) than the intruders. But, the victor doesn't necessarily win the battle of evolution. Capturing pathetic Homo Sapiens women and defiling them, just dilutes your gene pool until you, yourself are Sapiens more or less.
Ask yourselves for what reason/s history and the truth are manipulated, exaggerated and embellished by others or other groups of people?
Stanley Kubrick isn't Italian, nor is Kirk Douglas or Jean Simmons--- yet they went ahead and "told a tale" of Spartacus. The TV series also did not involve Italians.
Ask yourselves for what reason/s history and the truth are manipulated, exaggerated and embellished by others or other groups of people?
Stanley Kubrick isn't Italian, nor is Kirk Douglas or Jean Simmons--- yet they went ahead and "told a tale" of Spartacus. The TV series also did not involve Italians.
Yeah, notice how it says "take away from the words of the book of this prophecy"; which, if interpreted 'literally'(that's your preference, I take it, based on your website "theliteralbible.com"), means take 'away'(no redactions) from the book of 'this prophecy'(the book of Revelations).
Yet you seem to want to:
1)Ignore the word "away" so you can...
2)...throw in "add to" when it suits you while...
3)...ignoring that it specifically says "the book of this prophecy" so you can
4)...conflate it to the entire bible, which, by the way...
5)...ignores the fact that most of the Bible isn't prophecy, but who cares as long as you can...
6)...throw in some hellfire and brimstone, which in case you didn't notice...
7)...are also mentioned nowhere in the original verse.
Based on the amount of adding, redacting, changing, etc. you have done to that single verse, I'd say you might be in danger of that hellfire yourself. Good thing it's just something you made up.
Looking to possibly visit this on a holiday in May, so I'm interested in your comment to decide if I am wasting my time. Can you tell me exactly why you think this is a load of rubbish?
Wow, thank you for your post Mario! I did not know about the Malta elongated skulls and just found a fantastic link that tells more about them. It seems from reading it that there actually was an ancient race of people who had the trait which could be passed on genetically and it’s very strange that 7,000 of them just ‘disappeared’ after being discovered. It would seem for some reason people have tried to hide their existence. I wonder if it would even be possible to get DNA from them that could be analyzed because they are even older than others which have been found throughout the world….very interesting and I can see the connection between them and other cultures. I recently learned that the Hittite people had two types of appearances. Some of them were Indo-European but the other half had extremely elongated skulls. I found information in the Egyptian Amarna letters that Akenaton’s father corresponded with the Hittites about receiving a princess for his harem from them and thought perhaps Nefertiti could have been that princess since she and her daughters had the same kind of elongated Hittite skulls. Here is the link about the Malta skulls which has me so excited at the moment: http://www.ancient-wisdom.com/maltahypogeum.htm Since many people think the Malta people went in boats to the east...to places like Crete etc., perhaps some of their DNA mixed with others and eventually their descendants (from the Mediterranean region) went by boat to South America :-)
I am fascinated by the Basque culture and its uniqueness, as well as the Finno-Ugric uniqueness. I am a History Teacher specializing in ancient history, cultures, and customs. I would really like to have conversations with you. Please write back!
Sorry, I don’t buy into the Knight/Lomax theory. The sadistic jailers of Jacques de Molay may well have inflicted all kinds of hideous torture in the 7 years of Molay’s imprisonment (like extracting information on the location of Templar treasure), and that may have included that alleged nailing to a door as a mock-crucifixion. But that’s where the story becomes frankly incredible, namely that his living body was then wrapped in an up-and-over 4m length of high quality linen (thick, herringbone weave). Why would he have been wrapped in an imitation of a burial shroud, the common (in my view mistaken) purpose of the “shroud” of Turin? Joseph of Arimathea’s fine linen (or a medieval imitation thereof) was intended to restore status to the body of a crucified man. Why would jailers need to do that, if merely engaged in sadistic mockery?
Even if they had, the chances of imprinting so complete and homogeneous a body image as that we see on the TS seem vanishingly small, if as we are told, the image capture was accidental, and achieved in a relatively short time, given that Molay was returned to his cell, where he served out the rest if his internment till going to the stake in 1314.
I’ll say more in a day or two about why I think my model fits the bill, addressing the points you raise. Suffice it to say that the artisans who produced the imprint, whether from a real man, a bas relief or combination of the two, were total perfectionists who took enormous care to get the end-result they wanted needed to sustain a claim that the imprint was that of the real crucified Jesus.
Is somebody doing some DNA analysis on Malta`s elongated skulls?
There is some correlation in Between Paracas`s and Malta`s elongated skulls?
Thanks
Mario
There is something still bugging me about this whole process to ‘recreate’ the shroud to prove it’s not the burial/recuperation cloth of the Templar grandmaster Jacques de Molay, the image being caused by an unknown and untested chemical process, the source being an ailing and injured human body.
Much trial and error has gone into your processes of recreation using various methods and I’m not convinced that de Charny, his wife or whomever else went to all the same trouble as you’ve done, just to create some kind of crowd-attracting artefact to prove the crucifixion of Christ. Furthermore, let’s place ourselves in medieval times – there are absolutely no examples of artwork that display such good use of perspective as the shroud does. In medieval tapestries and paintings of the time, figures and landscapes are flat, two dimensional; differences in size are determined not by spatial location, but by importance, so, for example, a church or other religious subject in the background would appear larger because of its spiritual significance. Art was rudimentary, at least until the onset of the Renaissance a few decades later. But we know the TS was not created as a painting with no evidence of artist pigment. So, even if someone went to great lengths to create such a stunning visual representation of a man interred or otherwise as you’ve done through flour or egg yolk, surely the effort would be reproduced in art or otherwise thereafter? I find it hard to believe that this brand new representation of the human form in medieval times was not reproduced by artists, or even attempted after or before!
Colin, I appreciate the time you’ve taken to respond to my questions and the continued efforts in providing some form of process that created the image on the shroud, but surely the only way we can ‘test’ the outstanding hypothesis of image creation, is to actually torture and beat a real man, leave him as de Molay was left, under a cloth or shroud to recuperate and hopefully allow the chemical processes as Dr Mill’s suggests to take place, then finally storage of the cloth over a period of 50 years or more to allow the image to develop. We simply don’t have the time for that and we’d risk serious repercussions legally and morally of course.
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These remains only take us back to 5500 BC, if that. The Basques may well have been related to the Cro Magnon men who lived in this area 40,000 BC. Without a trail across Europe or Africa for these people to suddenly appear in Western Europe, one has to ask, where did they come from before Western Europe, or did they magically appear there out of nothing?
Very close to the modern Basque land is the location given by Plato for Atlantis. If we ignore all of the claims of Atlantis all over the planet, and go back to the source of the story, the legendary island faced Gadira (modern Cadiz, Spain) and was roughly the size of ancient Libya and Asia Minor -- perhaps 2-3x the size of Texas. We already have 3 pieces of evidence which tend to support the Atlantis event of 9600 BC.
Ducking stool or extinction. It really is your choice.
Black rhino = unicorn. Others from pterodactyl fossils unearthed by Asians + their imaginations.
Are we having fun yet?
Egyptian Pharaohs had very high egos obviously. If the great pyramid was really built during the reign of Khufu hieroglyphics would have everywhere in the great pyramid especially after 20 years of hard labor. A growing section of the planet is being awakened to the fact that the great pyramid predates the dynasties by a considerable amount of time. The inference is that civilizations do not necessarily advance linearly during time for whatever reasons.
Neanderthals had the upper hand dealing with colder climates, being familiar with the terrain and they probably were smarter and stronger (brain capacity/bone density) than the intruders. But, the victor doesn't necessarily win the battle of evolution. Capturing pathetic Homo Sapiens women and defiling them, just dilutes your gene pool until you, yourself are Sapiens more or less.
Ask yourselves for what reason/s history and the truth are manipulated, exaggerated and embellished by others or other groups of people?
Stanley Kubrick isn't Italian, nor is Kirk Douglas or Jean Simmons--- yet they went ahead and "told a tale" of Spartacus. The TV series also did not involve Italians.
Ask yourselves for what reason/s history and the truth are manipulated, exaggerated and embellished by others or other groups of people?
Stanley Kubrick isn't Italian, nor is Kirk Douglas or Jean Simmons--- yet they went ahead and "told a tale" of Spartacus. The TV series also did not involve Italians.
@Bronzesnake:
Yeah, notice how it says "take away from the words of the book of this prophecy"; which, if interpreted 'literally'(that's your preference, I take it, based on your website "theliteralbible.com"), means take 'away'(no redactions) from the book of 'this prophecy'(the book of Revelations).
Yet you seem to want to:
1)Ignore the word "away" so you can...
2)...throw in "add to" when it suits you while...
3)...ignoring that it specifically says "the book of this prophecy" so you can
4)...conflate it to the entire bible, which, by the way...
5)...ignores the fact that most of the Bible isn't prophecy, but who cares as long as you can...
6)...throw in some hellfire and brimstone, which in case you didn't notice...
7)...are also mentioned nowhere in the original verse.
Based on the amount of adding, redacting, changing, etc. you have done to that single verse, I'd say you might be in danger of that hellfire yourself. Good thing it's just something you made up.
Very interesting read!
Looking to possibly visit this on a holiday in May, so I'm interested in your comment to decide if I am wasting my time. Can you tell me exactly why you think this is a load of rubbish?
I am a retired History teacher, specializing in ancient history, cultures, and customs. This site is amazing.
Oh, I just figured out I can ‘Edit’ my comments :-)
Wow, thank you for your post Mario! I did not know about the Malta elongated skulls and just found a fantastic link that tells more about them. It seems from reading it that there actually was an ancient race of people who had the trait which could be passed on genetically and it’s very strange that 7,000 of them just ‘disappeared’ after being discovered. It would seem for some reason people have tried to hide their existence. I wonder if it would even be possible to get DNA from them that could be analyzed because they are even older than others which have been found throughout the world….very interesting and I can see the connection between them and other cultures. I recently learned that the Hittite people had two types of appearances. Some of them were Indo-European but the other half had extremely elongated skulls. I found information in the Egyptian Amarna letters that Akenaton’s father corresponded with the Hittites about receiving a princess for his harem from them and thought perhaps Nefertiti could have been that princess since she and her daughters had the same kind of elongated Hittite skulls. Here is the link about the Malta skulls which has me so excited at the moment: http://www.ancient-wisdom.com/maltahypogeum.htm Since many people think the Malta people went in boats to the east...to places like Crete etc., perhaps some of their DNA mixed with others and eventually their descendants (from the Mediterranean region) went by boat to South America :-)
I am fascinated by the Basque culture and its uniqueness, as well as the Finno-Ugric uniqueness. I am a History Teacher specializing in ancient history, cultures, and customs. I would really like to have conversations with you. Please write back!
Julaine
Unique Horn. Horn is symbol for leader, leadership, king. You figure it out from there.
Hello again Stuart
Sorry, I don’t buy into the Knight/Lomax theory. The sadistic jailers of Jacques de Molay may well have inflicted all kinds of hideous torture in the 7 years of Molay’s imprisonment (like extracting information on the location of Templar treasure), and that may have included that alleged nailing to a door as a mock-crucifixion. But that’s where the story becomes frankly incredible, namely that his living body was then wrapped in an up-and-over 4m length of high quality linen (thick, herringbone weave). Why would he have been wrapped in an imitation of a burial shroud, the common (in my view mistaken) purpose of the “shroud” of Turin? Joseph of Arimathea’s fine linen (or a medieval imitation thereof) was intended to restore status to the body of a crucified man. Why would jailers need to do that, if merely engaged in sadistic mockery?
Even if they had, the chances of imprinting so complete and homogeneous a body image as that we see on the TS seem vanishingly small, if as we are told, the image capture was accidental, and achieved in a relatively short time, given that Molay was returned to his cell, where he served out the rest if his internment till going to the stake in 1314.
I’ll say more in a day or two about why I think my model fits the bill, addressing the points you raise. Suffice it to say that the artisans who produced the imprint, whether from a real man, a bas relief or combination of the two, were total perfectionists who took enormous care to get the end-result they wanted needed to sustain a claim that the imprint was that of the real crucified Jesus.
Is somebody doing some DNA analysis on Malta`s elongated skulls?
There is some correlation in Between Paracas`s and Malta`s elongated skulls?
Thanks
Is somebody doing some DNA analysis on Malta`s elongated skulls?
There is some correlation in Between Paracas`s and Malta`s elongated skulls?
Thanks
Mario
There is something still bugging me about this whole process to ‘recreate’ the shroud to prove it’s not the burial/recuperation cloth of the Templar grandmaster Jacques de Molay, the image being caused by an unknown and untested chemical process, the source being an ailing and injured human body.
Much trial and error has gone into your processes of recreation using various methods and I’m not convinced that de Charny, his wife or whomever else went to all the same trouble as you’ve done, just to create some kind of crowd-attracting artefact to prove the crucifixion of Christ. Furthermore, let’s place ourselves in medieval times – there are absolutely no examples of artwork that display such good use of perspective as the shroud does. In medieval tapestries and paintings of the time, figures and landscapes are flat, two dimensional; differences in size are determined not by spatial location, but by importance, so, for example, a church or other religious subject in the background would appear larger because of its spiritual significance. Art was rudimentary, at least until the onset of the Renaissance a few decades later. But we know the TS was not created as a painting with no evidence of artist pigment. So, even if someone went to great lengths to create such a stunning visual representation of a man interred or otherwise as you’ve done through flour or egg yolk, surely the effort would be reproduced in art or otherwise thereafter? I find it hard to believe that this brand new representation of the human form in medieval times was not reproduced by artists, or even attempted after or before!
Colin, I appreciate the time you’ve taken to respond to my questions and the continued efforts in providing some form of process that created the image on the shroud, but surely the only way we can ‘test’ the outstanding hypothesis of image creation, is to actually torture and beat a real man, leave him as de Molay was left, under a cloth or shroud to recuperate and hopefully allow the chemical processes as Dr Mill’s suggests to take place, then finally storage of the cloth over a period of 50 years or more to allow the image to develop. We simply don’t have the time for that and we’d risk serious repercussions legally and morally of course.
"Euskaldunsarra" = Euskal-dun (The one who possesses the Language) + zaharra (old) = Speaker of one of the many old Basque dialects
"Euskaldunberri" = Euskal-dun (The one who possesses the Language) + berri (new) = Speaker of "batua" unified modern Basque dialect.
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