Ica Stones - Peru

Do the Ica Stones prove that mankind coexisted with dinosaurs and had advanced technology?

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It is a rare object that stimulates the curiosity of archaeologists, ancient astronaut theorists, and creationists all at the same time, but the Ica stones have done just that.   The Ica stones refer to the momentous collection of more than 15,000 engraved stones which curiously depict clear and detailed dinosaurs, complex medical surgery, and forms of advanced technology such as telescopes. Most believe the stones are nothing more than an elaborate hoax, while others maintain that they are evidence that an ancient race of humans who possessed advanced technology coexisted with dinosaurs.

The stones, which vary in size from pebbles to boulders, are composed of grey andesite with a granite semi-crystalline matrix. It is a hard stone that is difficult to carve, but the images are scratched through the oxidised surfaces. The images carved onto the surface also vary in complexity from simple pictures engraved on one side of the stone to designs of complex scenes.  Some of the designs appear to be in styles which can be recognised as belonging to the Paracas, Nazca, Tiwanaku or Inca cultures, while others are in a style never seen before.

The subject matter includes images of flowers, fish, or living animals, including the more controversial dinosaur depictions, as well as mythological-type beasts or monsters. Other stones depict geometric images and symbols that correspond with known petroglyphs and geoglyphs. For example, one of the Ica stones depicts a monkey, which is almost identical to one of the Nazca geoglyphs.

Ica stone carving on the left and Nazca geoglyph on the right

Ica stone carving on the left and Nazca geoglyph on the right

The stones that have drawn the most attention are those that depict different species of dinosaurs, as well as those that show advanced technology, such as telescopes and flying machines, and medical practices that were unknown at the time they were found, such as a caesarean section with acupuncture used as a form of anaesthesia, and heart transplants.

The depictions of dinosaurs on these Ica stones appear unmistakable

The depictions of dinosaurs on these Ica stones appear unmistakable

The stone on the left depicts a man looking through a telescope, while the stone on the right appears to show heart surgery

The stone on the left depicts a man looking through a telescope, while the stone on the right appears to show heart surgery.

The background story

According to reported accounts of the discovery of the Ica stones, in 1966, Peruvian physician Javier Cabrera Darquea was presented with a stone by a friend for his 42 nd birthday which had a carved picture of what he believed to be an extinct fish. Based on his interest in Peruvian prehistory, Cabrera began collecting more of the stones. He purchased more than 300 from two brothers who also collected pre-Incan artefacts. Cabrera later found another source of the stones, a farmer named Basilio Uschuya, who claimed he found a huge cache of the stones when the Ica River overflowed its banks destroying a nearby mountain and exposing an unknown cave.  Uschuya would not reveal the cave’s location but agreed to sell thousands of the stones to Cabrera, boosting his collection to more than 11,000 stones by the 1970s.

Ica stones from the Cabrera collection

Just some of the thousands of Ica stones that form Cabrera’s collection. Photo source .

News of the find caught the interest of researchers and the eyes of the world turned toward Ica. Subsequently, the BBC produced a documentary on the discovery bringing an extraordinary amount of focus on the Peruvian Government. Under pressure to police the country's antiquities, the Government arrested the farmer for selling the stones. Facing years of incarceration, the farmer recanted his story claiming he'd carved all 15,000 of the stones himself.  He even demonstrated how he engraved the stones using a dental drill. The stones were labelled a hoax and the government considered the embarrassing matter closed. But the story would not go away.

Cabrera published a book, entitled ‘The Message of the Engraved Stones of Ica’, discussing his theories of the origins and meaning of the stones. In it he argued that the stones show that humans originated from another planet and were at least 405 million years old.  Further, he claimed that "Through the transplantation of cognitive codes to highly intelligent primates, the men from outer space created new men on earth."

Cabrera’s book, as well as his opening of a museum featuring several thousand of the stones in 1996, brought widespread attention to the stones. Creationists used the Ica stones to claim that humans lived in proximity with dinosaurs, which contradicts evidence that the extinction of dinosaurs predates mankind by approximately 65 million years and disproves evolutionary theory. Believers in the ancient astronaut theory have also cited the stones as evidence of a lost, advanced civilisation brought to man from other planets.  Neither of these positions is supported in scientific or academic communities.

Comments

""We now know that this was not how they walked""

I'm sure this also will change in a decade or so, maybe even back to they dragged their tails and were slow. science has a bad habit of forgetting that they completely contradict themselves about every 20 years while claiming they are "absolutely right"! this time while laughing at everyone who disagrees with them.

These exact same scientists would have laughed to scorn anyone who said dinos were fleet of foot and had raised tails only a couple decades ago.

All their information is based on guesswork, they need to remember that. paleontology is not a hard material science.

Paleontology IS a hard science, a much as archeology or geology. It deals with hard evidence. We have a lot of hard evidence including a lot of fossilized footprints and such that prove conclusively how they walked. You CAN tell from an animal's tracks his they walk, you know. When we thought they were slow and dragged their tails, we didn't have that information.

Perhaps you should read up on a subject before expounding about it.

What you consider as a negative thing that science changes its perspective constantly is actually a positive. Science is a self-correcting process, becoming more and more accurate as new evidence comes forward for scientists to use to modify their current understanding.

What would you trust: something that is constantly improved in light of new information, or something that stays the same regardless of new circumstances and information? If something stays the same, there would be no way to know if it's right.

Gabe, you just described the scientific process, which sadly has become subjugated by the scientific institution.  Most of the scientific endeavor is now corporately funded, and corporate interests have become entwined with political ones.  This creates a broad filter through which new information must pass.  Much of this information doesn’t even see the light of day, and that which does, should it run contrary to powerful interests, encounters tremendous ridicule by so-called experts and the media—both of whom are also perfectly willing to support scientific fraud.  This is in addition to the standard arrogance scientists (broadly speaking) have traditionally displayed in the face of new data which contradicts ideas they hold dear.

Of course, it’s still a more progressive path to truth than religion, but gone are the days when I granted much confidence to anything a scientist says without first applying a thick layer of my own scrutiny.

I am surprised that these stones are still thought of as authentic. Several years ago it was revealed that they have been making them since the 1960s when Eric von Danniken's books were first popularized. That the editors of this website could still fall for this type of hoax shows a lack of critical thinking and research.

To all those who claim they are all fakes - yes, when the Ica Stones started to be sold some people began to carve them. But the origin of the first stones are clear. They were produced many years before 1960. The farmer who found has been shown to have lied about his explanation as to how he made some fake stones. Keep your minds open. Science isn't able to even prove or disprove how many are fakes.

Hey RR, April just told the story, she never said it was true, just that it exists. Be polite.

By the end of the article the sheer numbers of stones had me convinced it was a hoax.

mr32953

I still think it is possible that we lived with the dinosaurs, or at least our ancestors had. We in our current from may not have but some where down the years of breeding or mating or whatever label you want to give it, there were creatures like us who lived with dinosaurs.

Possible. I think civilization happens much faster than the current model suggests. I think set backs are very easy too.

The Ica stones are not fakes. If you look closely you will notice several important facts about these stone images. They are both internally and externally consistent and the individuals ARE NOT HUMAN.

By internally consistent, I mean that they show images that are consistent with each other with no mixing with modern images. By externally consistent, I mean that they are depict what science has discovered about the past. By non humans, I mean that the images have no thumbs. By definition, humans must have thumbs and these images do not.

The Israeli Antiquities Authority has also discovered art depicting an individual without thumbs. In fact, the story is currently on this website and is about the April 9, 2014 discovery of a sarcophagus in Israel.

I've sent an email message to April Holloway about the no thumbs discovery but she hasn't published a full discussion on this No Thumbs non human find. Beings without thumbs are also found on the Easter Island heads and "scholars" haven't commented on them either. Why?

If anyone want to know more about all of this I suggest you view my essays: Humans and Dinosaurs and The Mystery of Easter Island.

oh man, you're still on about those thumbs from that Syrian sarcophagus? ask a child to draw a human, and youre likely to get something similar to a stick figure. does that mean humans are stick figures? no, not at all, it just means that the artist responsible was not competent enough, or not willing, to add true-to-life anatomical details. this doesnt mean my nephew has discovered a whole new sentient species, just that his skill is not fully developed. i feel as though you brush off my comments about looking at the levels of artistic mastery for that time period... man, see a single stylized figure missing thumbs and suddenly a whole new species is out there to discover, huh?

I might add that these are ARTISTS who make these depictions, not medical experts. they are free to use artistic license to create whatever they so choose.

aliens?

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Humans did live along side "dinosaurs". The Old Testament (which if you read as the Hebrew History book) talks about the Laviathan and the Beheomath. I think the Laviathan is something like a Pliesiasaur (my spelling sucks) and the Beheomath is a mammoth. Maybe not "dinosaurs" necessarily, but prehistoric animals.

Peace and Love,

Ricky.

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i keep coming back to the pics of these stones because i just love the idea of man riding on dinosaurs...i think it goes to the human condition...we can and will ride and tame any beast possible...authentic or not, i just really love the idea of it!

love, light and blessings

AB

It would be very sad if the engraved Ica stones turn out to be a hoax. You would think that in this day and age they could be tested and verified. I find it highly unlikely that the farmer carved all those stones himself. What a ridiculous notion. Maybe a family of farmers could have done it but I can't see that everyone would possess such artistic skill. Just saying.

have the actual stones been dated?

What if a few were real and the rest were faked? The originals being some type of storage device similar to that of a modern day usb drive. With the right test maybe a different form of electricity such as magnets or some kind of sensor it could be decoded. The drawings could be the cover art similar to that of a modern day CD cover informing the user of its contents.

I'm sure if you were to visit the Ica region you could buy stones carved with fantastical images. Tourists love to buy stuff made to represent something that makes an area famous. Does that mean that the stones are all fake? I don't believe so. I'm sure you could buy "shrunken heads" in tourist shops yet we know actual shrunken heads were made by native people.

Skeptics won't ever be convinced. Even if unopened tombs are found with more stones and excavated by accredited archeologists. Puma Punku is a real structure even though the tools used to create it have not been discovered. The same with many megalithic structures and OOPARTS that have been discovered.

I'm convinced that our history is much older and far stranger then modern science is willing to admit.

This is reminiscent of the crop circles hoax.

What I find interesting, whether it proves anything or not is the sheer number of stones, even a family of farmers would be hard pressed to carve that many in a timely enough manner to sell them. Not to mention it seems to me that a dental drill would be a relatively expensive item for a South American farmer to acquire not to mention the level of skill needed to produce drawings of that detail, just saying.

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In various religious texts extant at this moment are directions to “sow confusion”. Plus there’s Matthew 3:9, Luke 3:8 and Romans 9:7 Look them up!!

Just maybe its God having a bit of fun!!

 

I'm not allowed to post links, but these have been confirmed to be authentic. The details of the whole story is at livingdinos.com in an article called Are the Ica Stones Fake? Skeptics Under Fire

"The stones are covered with a fine patina of natural oxidation which also covers the grooves, by which age should be able to be deduced . . .
Eric Wolf
Lima June 8, 1967"
--- Eric Wolf, geologist

There's also a book by Dennis Swift "Secrets of the Ica Stones and Nazca Lines"

 

I agree that the patina should be dated. Why haven’t the mainstream archeologists done so? Do they fear the results? Also, the sheer number of stones tell me that most are not fakes. Andesite is extremely hard and I don’t think the locals would have had access to machinery that would be needed to carve the large number of rocks that have been found.

It always fascinates me how quickly folks jump to defend the scientific dogma propagated by mainstream media. As if to say, there have never been a case where the Overlords of Science have never been dishonest with there findings. I'm not talking of instances where data as misinterpretation, oh no. I am speaking of out right lies to support their theories when the evidence says otherwise. Here are a few examples,
Pilt-down Man: a fraudulent fossil composed of a human cranium and an ape jaw, allegedly discovered in England and presented in 1912 as a genuine hominid of the early Pleistocene, but shown to be a hoax in 1953. Yet yet it was knowingly left in text books for years, as one of mans early ancestors.
Java Man: Dubois himself is quoted as having written in 1932: ’Pithecanthropus was not a man, but a gigantic genus allied to the gibbons … I still believe, now more firmly than ever, that the Pithecanthropus of Trinil is the real “missing link”.’1. Sorry believing doesn't make it so.

Nabraska Man: another in the so called evolutionary tree of mankind. Based on the finding of a single tooth. A further search was made at Snake Creek, the site of the original discovery, and by 1927 it was begrudgingly concluded that the tooth was that of a species of Prosthennops, an extinct genus related to the modern peccary or wild pig.

Lets not forget the killing and beheading of Australian Aboriginal people to provide evidence for Darwin's theory of man evolving. Scientist were also involved in grave robbing.

Oh I saved the best for last, Ernst Haeckel, Evangelist for evolution and apostle of deceit. Known as ‘Darwin’s Bulldog on the Continent’ and ‘the Huxley of Germany’, Ernst Heinrich Philipp August Haeckel is notorious as the scientist who perpetrated fraud upon fraud to promote the theory of evolution. The Imaginary Monera, The Non-Existent Speechless Apeman, The Infamous ‘Fish Stage’ in Human Embryos otherwise know as ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny, can still be found in some biology textbooks to this day even though its is known to be a lie.

It is fun how those who are so sure the Ica Stones are all fakes, never question the Nazca Lines authenticity. None of them say it was a group of people wanting to create a hoax, like those who make crop circles. The carved stones are hoax. If they are hoax, then explain how some of the drawings have creatures have features on only now know. Example circular spots on their skin or some with leaf like appendages on their backs, structures which up until recent times we didn't know some of these creatures had. Also left out of this whole debate are the artifacts from other countries and ancient cultures that feature dinosaurs in there art work. In Mexico, China, Mesopotamia, Cambodia and the Neva ho all these cultures and people groups are lairs? True science say when you have theory and reality (evidence) does not support your theory. Get a new theory. Instead contemporary scientist who are unwilling to accept they are wrong, try instead to ignore or deny the facts rather that throw out their useless theories.

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