Artist’s representation of underwater ruins.

The Exceptional Underwater City of Cuba: A New Theory on its Origins – Part I

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(Read Part II here )

In his Underworld: The Mysterious Origins of Civilization , Graham Hancock examines the numerous structures that have been discovered underwater around the world. Most of the sites that Hancock discusses lie less than 120 meters (395 feet) below sea level, which comes as no surprise since the sea level never fell below this mark during the time Homo sapiens walked the earth. Submerged over 700 meters (2300 feet) underwater, the Cuban city discovered by Paulina Zelitsky and Paul Weinzweig during a joint Cuban-Canadian expedition is the singular exception.

Overturning Old Theories

How can the existence of this underwater city at this great depth be reconciled with the well-established consensus that the sea level never dropped so low? In Hancock’s own words: “What one would not expect to find in water anywhere near as deep as 700 meters would be a sunken city - unless it had been submerged by some colossal tectonic event rather than by rising sea levels.”

Reconstructed Image from the sonar scan of the sea floor off the coast of Cuba.

Reconstructed Image from the sonar scan of the sea floor off the coast of Cuba.

However, the hypothesis that the city was originally built at a higher altitude and subsequently sunk to its present depth through tectonic activity has not stood up to the scrutiny of the experts. Grenville Draper of Florida International University considers it highly unlikely that such an event could have occurred: “Nothing of this magnitude has been reported, even from the Mediterranean…”

Supposing Draper’s remarks rejecting the likelihood of the city having submerged are reliable, we are compelled to accept that the city was built at more or less the same depth that the city is located now. In other words, we are faced with the patently absurd conclusion that the structures were built underwater! Though proponents of the aquatic ape theory may beg to differ, it is clear that we have reached an impasse. Could there be an alternative theory that satisfactorily accounts for these structures at such depths?

Great Seas and Vast Depths

On the opposite site of the Atlantic Ocean from the Caribbean Sea is the Mediterranean Sea. Dividing Europe and Africa, the Mediterranean Sea is an enormous sea - over 2,500,000 km2 (965,255 square miles) that has, at least within the timeline of anatomically modern man, always existed. For millennia, ships of successive great nations and empires sailed the Mediterranean; the Phoenicians, Greeks, Carthaginians, and Romans among them. In 146 BC, owing to its victories in the Punic Wars against Carthage, Rome achieved what no known civilization had hitherto achieved; namely, the control of the entire Mediterranean Sea by a single power.

Map of the Mediterranean Sea with subdivisions, straits, islands and countries

Map of the Mediterranean Sea with subdivisions, straits, islands and countries ( CC BY-SA 4.0 )

The Romans, rightly so, called the sea that they ruled over  mare nostrum –  “our sea”. Could the Romans have ever imagined that “their” sea, long before the dawn of man, was once a dry and landlocked basin? Indeed, they may very well have. In Natural History, Pliny mentions in passing a tradition of the inhabitants near the Straits of Gibraltar: “they also believe that [The Straits of Gibraltar] were dug through by him; upon which the sea, which was before excluded, gained admission, and so changed the face of nature.”

Historic map of the Strait of Gibraltar by Piri Reis.

Historic map of the Strait of Gibraltar by Piri Reis. ( Public Domain )

Could it be that the Caribbean Sea has a similar geological history as the Mediterranean Sea? That is, could the Caribbean Sea have been a dry basin, and could it have been so during the existence of anatomically modern man? Having performed an exhaustive search on the topic, I couldn't find a single source within the alternative literature let alone a peer-reviewed scientific paper that put forth such a hypothesis. However implausible this hypothesis may be, if true, it would provide a simple and elegant solution to the problem discussed, namely that of how a city could have been built close to 700 meters (2300 feet) below sea level today, or 580 meters (1900 feet) below sea level even during the maximum drawdown of the world's oceans. If the Caribbean Sea simply did not exist for an extended period of time in the human past, a reasonably advanced civilization inhabiting the area could have built cities on dry land thousands of feet below sea level, even over ten thousand feet below sea level.

Map of the Caribbean Sea and Basin

Map of the Caribbean Sea and Basin ( Public Domain )

Comments

Am interested in any ET archaeology and any quite-old 100,000 + BCE Earth archaeology & anthropology

The earth only 6000 years old. Created by God. Watch Kent Hovinds movies.

I hope you're joking...

Why would you ask if he joking? Do you have some irrefutable proof that this is not the case?

@Jeff1311

Irrefutable proof? Can you give an example of what you would consider to be ”irrefutable proof”?

The base stance for humans is that we don’t know anything the world/universe. What is the most reasonable way known to find out things about the world/universe we live in? Study them using the scientific method - anything else is way too arbitrary. The studies done about the age of the Earth conducted using these methods (for example radiometric dating and carbon-14 dating) points to the Earth being about 4.6 billion years old.

”The topic of radiometric dating has received some of the most vicious attacks by young earth creation science theorists. However, none of the criticisms of young earth creationists have any scientific merit. Radiometric dating remains a reliable scientific method.” - See more at: http://www.oldearth.org/radiometricdating.htm

That quote even comes from a site ran by people who claim to be ”Biblical Creationists”.

We also have the carbon-14 method.
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/hovind/howgood-c14.html

The link above funnily enough refutes claims about the method made by Kent Hovind (his movies we were recommended by David Keller in the post I reacted to above).

This is also educational: ”How do scientists determine the age of dinosaur bones?”:
http://science.howstuffworks.com/environmental/earth/geology/dinosaur-bo...

Etc.
There’s a lot to read about this out there.

”The mystery of God was revealed in flesh, seen for the first time by celestial beings referred to as Angels. Told of to the world and believed on........you either accept that or you do not.”

And where is the evidence for that? How do we know it’s about ”the mystery of God”? I never understand how some can be so sceptical about all the scientific method finds, but when it comes to other things gullibility seems to be perfectly fine. :-|

"the patently absurd conclusion"

Deciding that something is absurd simply because it doesn't fit with what one currently believes is an unacceptable approach to scientific research or even logical deduction. It's ultimately no different than asserting "God made it."

So your assertion that "God" didn't make it is just as absurd by your logic. Why did you even open your mouth when you can't prove your hypothesis of a non-existence?

There is nothing absurd about saying God made the universe. Since we know from science that the universe is not eternal, that space/time/matter are co-relative, and that energy and matter can not create themselves, something outside of our universe and its physical laws is the most plausible 'First Cause' for the effect of time/space/matter, coming into existence. A transcendent supernatural intelligence - God - is the most reasonable "First Cause" for our universe.

Material Natural Atheist Evolution's dedication to the proposal that there was nothing, then that nothing blew up, and then the nothing that blew up ordered itself into highly complex systems for no reason but chance, is an utter mystery to actual science. If you want to assert that your world creation myth is somehow based on scientific fact and reason, please tell us what repeated observations and scientific experiments you used to establish your belief that something can come from nothing, that life can come from non-living matter?

Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth.

Shawn, my point was to counter using Saiko's logic. So many make the effort to say God does not exist when in reality you cannot prove that scientifically or otherwise. Their doubts and attempts to disprove the existence of God reflect the weakness of conjecture........by writing down the foolish statement, they remove the veil of their contempt while trying to hide behind the word "science".

Instead of opening up their minds, they are trying to fit what they see into the only box their ignorant brains can conjure up.

How about water being brought in from items impacting earth, or how about the Expanding Earth theory where the earth was thought to be much smaller in ancient times and has been expanding a little at a time for many millennia.

As Sherlock Holmes was noted to have said. "How often have I said to you that when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth"

IE: Stop thinking inside the box and open your minds to the possibility that the improbable is exactly what happened.

" Stop thinking inside the box and open your minds to the possibility that the improbable is exactly what happened."

In order for people to think outside the box, they must pull their head out of their box, first.

I really see nothing absurd or ignorant with anything posted here. We are all talking about a topic which is virtually unknown to all but the few whom know/hide the ancient facts.

IMHO we must determine the origin(s) of humankind before we can even scratch the surface regarding the origin of the universe. We are analogously like an earthworm contemplating the origins of man.

I agree with the Sherlock Holmes quote: "How often have I said to you that when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth".

However, the truth has been absconded from our perusal (E.g. Gnostic Scriptures; the unedited Kolbrin Bible; the Sumerian Cuneiform tablets, the Library of Alexandria). We cannot objectively conclude the origins of anything with the mere faith of subjective hypothesis.

Wow, I'm glad Sherlock is on the case! Don't things contract when they cool? I know ice displaces a greater volume than water thereby taking up more room when it freezes but other things shrink. An earth expanding is kind of silly. Are we now a star burning up to a larger cooler volume? Maybe Sherlock had one too many? As far as the earth collecting water from space..........why that would mean a perfect vacuum can exist along with a pressurized container with no barrier to separate the two. There's that magic Gravity again. Go Holmes! Go Holmes!

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Gentlemen debating the theory of evolution verses creation, have you read the philosophy of the New Perspective? This is a bridge between the subjects as both subjects are about trying to explain how life works. The theory of creation explains how life has evolved on Earth, but so to the Earth has evolved and the galaxy formations have evolved and still evolving. We now recognise the different phases the planets are in and their life-cycle, we recognise the different life-cycle phases our multiple galaxies are in. Life has evolved to larger life forms expressed traditionally as bodies, human enlargements and these structure now like parents have influential effects on life on Earth. The modern theory and life-cycle of the planets are similar to the biblical theory genesis to revelations the life-cycle of the planets.
Your debate is not relevant to this thread and so I invite you to the thread in the religious section. 
 

if the carribean was once dry land, like a very deep bowl as the central America was the barrier to pacific waters and the island chain from east florida to south America was the atlantic ocean barrier... then there are lots of fossils of dinosaurs lying under all that seafloor muck, a real treasure trove worth exploring

I'm not so sure about dinosaurs, but I would agree with you on there being lots of dead creatures!

Good article I also do not know what happened. What ever happened , happened. NNoah flood maybe.

Check Google Earth at Astoria, Oregon you can see that the Columbia River at one time ran off the outer edge of the contenental shelf.  You can fallow the river bed southword through the off shore Oregon earthquake zone and west on the ocean now ocean floor to about 500 miles west of Coose Bay, Oregon.  That tells me that before Noah’s flood there was no water there.  People could have walked from Africa to Cuba.  Noah’s flood filled the oceans to the outer edge of the contenental shelf and ice melt over the last 5000 years put the beaches where the are now.

Thinking

Thanks for you comment. Geologists would argue that these canyons could have been carved over millions of years by the erosive action of suspended sediments carried by the river as it flowed into the ocean...What do you think about this?

Sediment that comes out of rivers ends up as deltas.  Fresh water is lighter than ocean water and stays on top.  The part of the river bed that is partly obscured between the continental shelf and the Oregon Earthquake Zone is the result of thousands of years of alternating Japanese and Alaskan currant.  

It is my observation that the canyons off the continental shelf were formed in fourty days and fourty nights.

Thinking

The book of Morman speaks of such a city seemingly in that location sinking almost over night after a great earth quake.
Look it up

yikes.. i'd not take anything from the book of mormon as any form of Gospel

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Why not?

This is an old fact. There were several large lakes in the region, fed by the Mississippi and other rivers. The Earthquake that split the Earth and created the Puerto Trench devastated the Mountain Range that held the Ocean at bay.

PONTIFICATION ; In any form
Some folks just don’t get it. Personally I visit this site to read the articles & posted comments. All to help & expand my understanding, to learn. I have learnt a lot, have been challenged, ask my own questions, do some research after reading & discover new information. I have discovered that there are others who have entertained similar concepts, ideas, conclusions as myself. Wonderful I say. Just exactly what is wrong about this?

With this particular articule, I found it to be very interesting and informative. Something I had not thought of & properly would not have. After reading I did some research, looked at some maps & ended up asking myself- “WHY NOT”? This is the idea I believe. To share information, knowledge & wisdom.

If I choose to take on, learn about faith, religions or am looking for a church to join, I will read said books, watch religious programing on the ‘idiot box’ (tv). Visit seek out the various churchs, temples, the holy sites of worship. This site exists to inform, challenge us, encouraged to ask our own questions, add insights & expand the written articles. Providing perhaps the means to approach things differently. I do not want to live with the concept of “FEAR THE STRANGER, the STRANGE, the UNKNOWN”.

I don’t visit to read/ listen to the pontification, religious lecturing. When I read some of the comments posted with various articules & the return comments, the language & tone used really doesn’t do anything other then make the commentators hateful, raising their anger. I shake my head asking myself- why do people continue to choose to dwell in the/their cave of ignorance?

This does not mean to say that articules could be written/posted about the various world wide faiths, religions, traditions, oral stories. But it is important to separate this from the “personal”. Keep the pontification, the preaching, the “thou are more holier then thee” out of it. The articules or comments.

“A lie told long enough & loud enough becomes a truth”. Truth & peace does not come at the receiving end or a gun, sword, knife , arrow &/or when combined with fear, threats & intimidation.

It gets tiring reading all of this religious prattle. As Pink Floyd said, “ It’s like banging your head against some mad buggers wall”. Gives you nothing but a headache.

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Well said, sir! My sentiments exactly.

Right on the mark.

Cudos to AO for putting up this article. It obviously touches some sore spots with the ‘young earth’ adherents, but it’s a fascinating article and worthy of a more thorough investigation as these sonar photos are from around 1995 I believe. Mainistream archaeology won’t touch it with a 10 foot shovel right alongside the Bosnian pyramid. But it points more and more to the likelihood that human ‘civilization’, and in fact advanced civilization, is cyclical and not linear as mainstream archaeology would have us believe. But the ooparts are piling up. They can no longer hide them.

Expanding earth is a logical theory too. It was originally presented by the same man who presented the Pangea theory. Mainstream ‘science’ cherry-picked the Pangea part and discarded the expanding earth model. But alongside the expanding earth model is the plasma core model too. It explains the increase in water/matter. Maybe science will catch up someday and we’ll finally be on to something.

Meanwhile this ‘underwater city’ need more investigation. Heck, they photgraphed the Titanic! What’s holding them up? It’s been well over a decade since its discovery.

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I admit the "Expanding Earth" theory is interesting, but my main problem with it is demonstrated in the math.

Take a sphere of any size. Calculate its volume. Then increase the size of the sphere by doubling the radius(most expanding earth explanations depict a similar size increase). Now calculate the volume again.

The original volume is around one tenth the amount of the expanded volume. That's a lot of mass! Where would it have come from?

Thanks for your comment! I'm glad you enjoyed the article.

I think the expanding earth theory is somewhat plausible. But shouldn't we be able to measure expansion if it is really happening? Do you know of any attempts to detect this expansion?

I think the discoverers of this underwater city just gave up trying to get funding for the follow-up expeditions and moved on with their lives...and since the city is in Cuban territorial waters, there's a lot of political red tape, especially if any Americans would be involved..

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I agree, the reasons for the lack of follow-up on this is probably political. Too bad...I'd love to see some new imaging attempts, at least.

By the way, I thoroughly enjoyed this article as well. Your hypothesis is original and compelling, IMO.

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I want to thank Gord (didn't miss the r ) and Osiris for your intellectual thread related contributions. I am familiar with the modern concept of "the New Perspective" with regards to planetary formation and the concept of the phase of water, or phase of expression.    http://thenewperspective21.wix.com/anewworld   This is the zone where water is stable as a liquid, related to it's position in the solar system. Too close to the sun and water becomes evaporated and too far from the sun water is in a frozen state. The New Perspective describes the theory of the movement of the planets through this water zone. NASA and other astronomy research facilities search for other planets now within this zone or parameters, for the greatest probability of sustaining life. 
Water when gained by a planet through this movement would also have an absorption factor creating a long term expansive effect of the planet until the point of removal. As the accumulation of water increases so to does the compressive effect due to weight and the gravitational forces. Once a point is reached, of a maximum water level and changes to a phase of removal then additional and opposing forces react. 
 

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The New perspective explains an understanding of the life-cycle of the planets, Kalpa. This basic process helps explain the Yuga phases, with time and size proportional to the movement of the planets. The basic process has been defined in the pre mentioned website ( http://thenewperspective21.wix.com/anewworld ) in an article titled the movement of life. This is a scientific hypothesised theory explaining the movement and direction of the formation of the planets. Very basically like a whirlpool the rotation of the planets are drawn towards the sun. A planet is born on the distant perimeter of the solar system and progresses through many phases until finally cremated by the sun. This attraction is due to the burning of the sun resulting in a consuming, luring, drawing, lighter, thinner atmosphere closer to the sun acting as a suction. This helps explain the saurya manvantara concept. The planets grow through phases from fertilisation through freezing and gaseous phases, as seen by all the current positions of our planets, until a magical phase of flowing water. Water is evaporated too close too the sun and is frozen too far from the sun, but a phase of stability allows for the expression of life (confirmed by Nasa) as a planet passes through this zone of water. As a zone of expression it is also a database for the record of life. Inferior planets that have passed through this phase have recorded an historical memory, recorded within this phase of water. So as a new planet enters this zone, an accumulative record gives guidance and experience to the formation of life for the next planet.
This basic logical contemporary scientific understanding of the planetary movement has given a new comprehension of the biblical structure from genesis to revelations being an expression of the planetary life-cycle. Although imaginatively expressed the fire cremation is a logical cycle for the planetary movement. As all are aware if the Earth was at a slightly greater distance from the sun, then the temperature would be cooler and a cycle longer and so life would also have been larger with the contributing factors. Within the cycle of water a maximum volume of water is logical for Earths movement through this phase, it is described Earth is just passed this mid point also correlating to the flood or maximum point of water recorded in history.
The New Perspective is an extensive study of our Worlds animals and it is known now that distinguishing features of animals are directly linked to the anatomy of the World as seen in my picture. (click to enlarge) Upon the study of numerous species it is evident a single species also changes correlated to the World anatomy, if residing on the head of the World, distinctive head characteristics are expressed.
It is known now that our ancient civilisations plotted the World body anatomically directly linked to the picture posted on my profile here. The heads of Easter Island are where you can see the head of the World. The 12 zones of the body are recorded traditionally around the World. The lungs of Leo the sphinx. The womb of Virgo. This sunken city posts the neck of Taurus. Stonehenge is the sign of Cancer. World zodiacs contain pictures of animals and usually rotate opposite to Celestial zodiacs, like the Denderah zodiac.
The evolution of life on Earth adapts to this process of the planetary movement, although the energies related to Purusha or more constant creative cosmic energies express a basic structure made more complex the smaller it gets.
 

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For starters, the book is forbidden from God, and the religion is a cult. 

God warned us in Revelation 22:19 that any who add or take anthing from His Word will spend eternity in Hell. So Islam, Jehovah’s Witnesses, and Mormon all ignore that warning at their own peril. All those cults were started hundreds of years and more after God’s Book had been completed.

 

God created EVERYTING and NOTHING is impossible for God.

He got His book exactly as He wanted it to be, whether you believe there are books left out or not.

What a lame God He would be if He failed in getting His messages out unadulterated. 

To the author – thank you very uch for the excellent article, your hard work and dedication.

 

Revelation 22:19

“And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.”

 

Take care

Jack

www.theliteralbible.com

Thanks Jack. That’s a much better read. A different style enabling you to state & voice your opinions and beliefs.

A ‘Cult’ is a religious or social group that supposedly deviates from the more ‘novel’ beliefs. But defining what is ‘deviant’ is difficult and for the most part can be wrought with biased thoughts/beliefs making any clear definition problematic.

With in the English speaking world the word ‘cult’ can and is used as a SUBLIME derogatory word and being a subjective word is used to ATTACK others who have differing doctrines or practices.

A ‘Sect is a subgroup of any religious, political or philosophical belief system.

These subgroups are usually an off shoot of any larger religious group. The ‘main stream thought’.

The break away subgroup follows a different set of rules, principals, beliefs and rituals. In many cases this term could be, can and is used in a malicious way suggesting that these break away groups hold ‘heretical’ beliefs or practices. These beliefs being considered deviant from the larger group that they broke away from
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Perhaps one of the difficulties that many folks have with Christianity is the following ; The latest (30 years ago), GUESS-TA-MA-TION, globally there are around 20,000 Christian based sects since the official declaration of the Christian faith becoming the official religion of Rome 1,700 years ago.

All 20,000 Sects would/will and do claim that they are in the right and that everyone else is wrong. With some being far more vocal then others.

Did not some one, some where at some time declare; “ you are all the same”.

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So Jack says that the following millions of people will spend "eternity in Hell" Jack this is your interpretation and this is a very negative and destructive personal interpretation Jack. This is a very aggressive and sad belief you have Jack and I think you are alone with this one. 

Jack's quoted Interpretation of biblical text;-

God warned us in Revelation 22:19 that any who add or take anthing from His Word will spend eternity in Hell. So Islam, Jehovah’s Witnesses, and Mormon all ignore that warning at their own peril. All those cults were started hundreds of years and more after God’s Book had been completed. 

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Jack quoted this

“For starters, the book is forbidden from God, and the religion is a cult.”

I have just re-read this and I think what you are trying to say is that the reference I used should not be considered from your view because it isn’t in the bible.

This suggest that no words including your references and written text should be considered from your belief as they do not appear in the bible. Is this what this comment means, could you please confirm? 

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@Bronzesnake:

Yeah, notice how it says "take away from the words of the book of this prophecy"; which, if interpreted 'literally'(that's your preference, I take it, based on your website "theliteralbible.com"), means take 'away'(no redactions) from the book of 'this prophecy'(the book of Revelations).

Yet you seem to want to:

1)Ignore the word "away" so you can...
2)...throw in "add to" when it suits you while...
3)...ignoring that it specifically says "the book of this prophecy" so you can
4)...conflate it to the entire bible, which, by the way...
5)...ignores the fact that most of the Bible isn't prophecy, but who cares as long as you can...
6)...throw in some hellfire and brimstone, which in case you didn't notice...
7)...are also mentioned nowhere in the original verse.

Based on the amount of adding, redacting, changing, etc. you have done to that single verse, I'd say you might be in danger of that hellfire yourself. Good thing it's just something you made up.

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There is a trend through most cultures that projects the human structure and the parental element of life onto our larger surrounding structures of life. Evolution considers the changing process of life on Earth. Religious cosmology considers the relationship between the larger energy systems influencing the smaller like parental guidance. Astrology studies the relationship between the Celestial body and our bodies. Astronomy studies celestial bodies. Galactic evolution studies the stages of the life of galaxies. Creation looks at the structures to life as a repetitive pattern of the body. Science studies the evolution of life on Earth but also the evolution of solar systems and the evolution of galaxies. Religion looks at these structures as repetitive structures of life forms, progressing in size like larger bodies. Religions believe that life has evolved to an extent that the larger structures guide the smaller structures. No culture is so simple that it is just us and God. All cultures look at a progressive structure to life that maximises as the title God as an overall body known scientifically as the universe. If your thoughts are multiverses then these are bound by one structures, if your thoughts again are multi then these are also bound by one. This applies microscopically exactly the same of which if you were to look inside me (one) then you will find parts, of which breakdown into parts. 
All we are doing is looking at different parts in different ways try to comprehend from our point of view.
I am currently watching the study of a culture or belief that divided the Celestial body into parts. This connected to the World body also divided into parts. Parts of the anatomy. From a religious view this is considered the structure of God, who's creative energy system passes down through the formation of multiple Galaxies. The structure to life that forges multiply solar systems within multiple Galaxies. A repetitive pattern to life that produces terrestrial life forms. An energy system that creates the evolution of species that adapt and change to changing environmental conditions and time. 
I am currently watching the parts of the World body and how life is expressed on each of these parts. This includes ancient structures built by ancient civilisations to a global pattern as a template of our surrounding Celestial creative energy system. This story although off on a religious vs creation tangent captures a part of this World structure. The World zodiac is recorded in every zone of the World and I find most fascinating that this design is recorded on this article "Underwater ruins, representational image" The zone of Taurus, the neck of the World. This connects to the zone where the unique characteristic of the buffalo with it's massive neck belongs. 
The same pattern that repetitively passes through different structures in life, simply separated by time and space.
PS If the word is God then all of the words are God's, this includes all books that have been and includes all books that will be.  
 

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No. First of all with all due respect, that was a train wreck! Extremely convoluted, and making incredible statements, with absolutely zero corroboration.  

Are you referring to fractals? The Mandelbrot set of numbers?

Here’s an excellent presentation by Dr. Jason Lisles on the subject.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkwCl0ymTfgQuote - "The same pattern that repetitively passes through different structures in life, simply separated by time and space.
PS If the word is God then all of the words are God's, this includes all books that have been and includes all books that will be."
All roads lead to Rome? 
No they don't. If I accept such a proposition, then I have to say God is a liar, because "all words are God's" even lies. 
You're confusing John 1:1 -  "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
The Bible says there is one way only to get to Heaven, and that is through Jesus Christ.
I don't know what religion you're referring to but it's not Christianity.
Take care.
Jack
www.theliteralbible.com

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King James Bible
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Jack you have added, cut, changed the words here again, for what you personally have been taught or believe. 

Jack's words though are- 

"The Bible says there is one way only to get to Heaven, and that is through Jesus Christ." 

Firstly there is a major difference between the words; Heaven and the Father, these are two different words and have two completely different meanings. The word through is also seriously incorrectly used. 

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Jack here is your quote and what you have done by changing these words is exactly what the quote is about. I am not sure if you have grasped the basic cosmological understanding of the bible. You have referred to God as "His" in your quote but God does not have a gender. Are you referring to the Father who art in Heaven. 
Jack's quote changed and personalised.
God warned us in Revelation 22:19 that any who add or take anthing from His Word will spend eternity in Hell. So Islam, Jehovah’s Witnesses, and Mormon all ignore that warning at their own peril. All those cults were started hundreds of years and more after God’s Book had been completed. 

19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll.

And if anyone removes any of the words from this book of prophecy, God will remove that person's share in the tree of life and in the holy city that are described in this book.

and if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the tree of life, and out of the holy city, which are written in this book.

May every one who hears or reads these words, desire at once to accept the gracious invitation. All are condemned who should dare to corrupt or change the word of God, either by adding to it, or taking from it.
 

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Jack do you think Mr Christ knew what he was talking about when he refers to his spiritual Mother and Father. Do you think you know exactly what he understood.

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Amongst the Eastern Church communities there is none more clear about the feminine aspect of the Holy Spirit as the corpus of the Coptic-Gnostic's. One such document records that Jesus says, "Even so did my mother, the Holy Spirit, take me by one of my hairs and carry me away to the great mountain Tabor [in Galilee]."

The 3rd century scroll of mystical Coptic Christianity, The Acts of Thomas, gives a graphic account of the Apostle Thomas' travels to India, and contains prayers invoking the Holy Spirit as "the Mother of all creation" and "compassionate mother," among other titles.  The most profound Coptic Christian writings definitely link the "spirit of Spirit" manifested by Christ to all believers as the "Spirit of the Divine Mother." Most significant are the new manuscript discoveries of recent decades which have demonstrated that more early Christians than previously thought regarded the Holy Spirit as the Mother of Jesus.

One text is the Gospel of Thomas which is part of the newly discovered Nag Hammadi texts (discovered 1945-1947).  Most are composed about the same time as the Biblical gospels in the 1st and 2nd century AD.  In this gospel, Jesus declares that his disciples must hate their earthly parents (as in Luke 14:26) but love the Father and Mother as he does, "for my mother (gave me falsehood), but (my) true Mother gave me life."  In another Nag Hammadi discovery, The Secret Book of James, Jesus refers to himself as "the son of the Holy Spirit."  These two sayings do not identify the Holy Spirit as the mothering vehicle of Jesus, but more than one scholar has interpreted them to mean that the maternal Holy Spirit is intended.

 

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