Triceratops Horn Dated to 33,500 Years

Did Humans Walk the Earth with Dinosaurs? Triceratops Horn Dated to 33,500 Years

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A Triceratops brow horn discovered in Dawson County, Montana, has been controversially dated to around 33,500 years, challenging the view that dinosaurs died out around 65 million years ago.  The finding radically suggests that early humans may have once walked the earth with the fearsome reptiles thousands of years ago.

The Triceratops brow horn was excavated in May 2012 and stored at the Glendive Dinosaur and Fossil Museum. The Museum, which has since 2005 been in cooperation with the Paleochronology Group, a team of consultants in geology, paleontology, chemistry, engineering, and education, sent a sample of the outer portion of the Triceratops brow horn to Head of the Paleochronology Group Hugh Miller, at his request, in order to carry out Carbon-14 dating. Mr Miller sent the sample to the University of Georgia, Center for Applied Isotope Studies, for this purpose. The sample was divided at the lab into two fractions with the “bulk” or collagen break down products yielding an age of 33,570 ± 120 years and the carbonate fraction of bone bioapatite yielding an age of 41,010 ± 220 years [UGAMS-11752 & 11752a]. Mr Miller told Ancient Origins that it is always desirable to carbon-14 date several fractions to minimize the possibility of errors which Miller requested and that essential concordance was achieved in the 1000's of years as with all bone fractions of ten other dinosaurs.

Triceratops, a name meaning “three-horned face”, is a genus of herbivorous ceratopsid dinosaur that is said to have first appeared during the late Maastrichtian stage of the late Cretaceous period, about 68 million years ago in what is now North America, and became extinct in the Cretaceous–Paleogene extinction event 66 million years ago. However, scientists from the Paleochronology Group, who perform research relating to “anomalies of science”, maintain that dinosaurs did not die out millions of years ago and that there is substantial evidence that they were still alive as recently as 23,000 years ago.

Classical reconstruction of a Triceratops

Classical reconstruction of a Triceratops ( Wikimedia Commons )

Until recently, Carbon-14 dating was never used to test dinosaur bones, as the analysis is only reliable up to 55,000 years. Scientists never considered it worthwhile to run the test since it is generally believed that dinosaurs have been extinct for 65 million years, based on radiometric dating of the volcanic layers above or below fossils, a method which the Paleochronology Group states has “serious problems and gross assumptions must be made”.

"It became clear years ago that paleontologists were not just neglecting to test dinosaur bones for C-14 content but were refusing to. Normally a good scientist will be curious about the ages of important fossil bones,” Mr Miller told Ancient Origins in an email.  

YouTube video explaining results of carbon testing on dinosaur bones

The results of the Triceratops Horn analysis are not unique. According to Mr Miller, numerous C-14 tests have now been carried out on dinosaur bones, and surprisingly, they all returned results dating back in the thousands rather than millions of years.

“I organized the Paleochronology group in 2003 to fill a void with regards fossil wood and dinosaur bones as I was curious as to their age by  C-14 dating.  We thus have used C-14 dating to solve the mystery why soft tissue and dinosaur depictions exist world-wide. Our model predicted dinosaur bones would have significant C-14 and indeed they did in the range of 22,000 to 39,000 years BP,” Mr Miller added.

Results of C-14 tests on dinosaur bones

Results of C-14 tests on dinosaur bones provided by the Paleochronology Group .

Numerous independent researchers have long argued that there is evidence man and dinosaur once walked the Earth together, such as hundreds of ancient artworks and artifacts that appear to depict dinosaurs, long before modern science had pieced together dinosaur fossils and conducted analyses to produce detailed reconstructions of their appearance.

Top left: Relief carving at Angkor Wat, Cambodia (1186 AD). Top Right: Textile from Nazca, Peru (700 AD). Bottom: Tapestry in the Chateau de Blois (1500 AD)

Top left: Relief carving at Angkor Wat, Cambodia (1186 AD). Top Right: Textile from Nazca, Peru (700 AD). Bottom: Tapestry in the Chateau de Blois (1500 AD)

However, even more intriguing is the discovery of soft tissue in dinosaur fossils. In the March 2005 issue of Science , paleontologist Mary Schweitzer and her team announced the discovery of soft tissue inside a 68-million-year-old Tyrannosaurus rex leg bone from the Hell Creek Formation in Montana, a controversial finding considering scientists had thought soft tissue proteins degrade in less than 1 million years in the best of conditions. After recovery, the tissue was rehydrated by the science team and testing revealed evidence of intact structures such as blood vessels, bone matrix, and connective tissue. 

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interesting as evolutionist spout off their religion as fact when it is far from proved. The layering of the planet was orginally proposed as flood sedimentation which has been proved and observed. the diverse bone beds of mongolia and madgscar should really make a person wonder how it is possible. What being revealed in Pataonia is pretty far from any evolution theory so what gives with a false science of evolution zeolots. The fact remains that constantly renewing Carbon 14 cyle is pretty reliable compared to opinions of religious zealots of both camps. We know how Nitrogen becomes carbon 14 and becomes part of the food chain even if it is not perfect, it works pretty good. Other radioisoptoes that geoscientist quote are handwaving at best and they know it because decay starts immediate after formation in a star.According to geoscience theories, cigar lake SK would not exist.I will stick with science in this case as the rational man finds the evolution stories pretty far fetched as well. Either we believe science is real or we dont. Pundits for evolution always have a special case that goes against the basic laws of nature and they holler about the biased creationists. Biology is a study like its name tells us, just like geology. I prefer scientific laws of chemistry and physics as they are indisputable not handwaving biology, geology , theology and other ologies that have to change their pet theories ever few years. Darwinism is a religion he himself did not create and is not a science any more than BreX was. the problem is that if Darwin is wrong, we are accountable

Roberto Peron's picture

I remember back in 2012 when the dino tissue was found and analyzed.  I was astounded by both the find and the analysis.  My question was then, and still is, how can soft tissue survive since 66 mya?  Surely it would have detiorated beyond detection considering most dino bones are not fossils, which is yet another enigma.  As for a religious agenda most fundamentalists believe the earth is a young earth, only created about 10,000 years ago and some even believe it was created 5000 years ago.  So dating these fossils at 33,500 or even 20,000 years ago still does NOT support that point of few.  

One time science believed the earth to be flat.  At least some scientists did and when that theory was proven wrong they did not give up easily and accept the fact that the world was round.  In fact, there are still people today who believe in a flat earth!  At one time some people believed that "if man were made to fly he'd have wings" and they believed that until the Wright Brothers proved that man, indeed, could fly.  For a long time in our history sc ience was controlled by the church and to defy the church often meant execution, being burned at the stake, or least of all excommunication.  Yes, the church had an agenda and an often ruthless one at that.  It was an agenda that often flew in the face of the evidence.  My point being that science must NOT get locked into dogma as religion has been locked into.  If I had the means I'd certainly see if I could replicated the dates arrived at by the Paleochronology Group but I don't.  What there findings do do is cause a question and I think questions are good for the growth of real science instead of dogmatic beliefs.  So, hopefully, someone will replicate their findings and they can be proved correct or incorrect.  I think in science one of the most important things is arriving at the truth no matter what that truth is.  Otherwise it is simply dogma.

My question in all this is how did ancient people know what dinosaurs looked like?  Their depictions of them are accurate and they weren't running around digging up old bones and fossils like we are today.  So how did they know what these creatures looked like?  Finally, what are we now to make of the many reports of modern people claiming they have seen dinosaurs especially in the Amerian Southwest, Central Africa, and Argentina?  Are there enough of these creatures still around to have a breeding population?  If that is so then imagine the discovery of such with direct and verifiable evidence presented to the scientific community.  That would be nothing short of fantastic and exciting!  

I heard a well known paleoanthropologist say not long ago that he knows everything and that there is nothing he does not know about his field.  That was my first indication the man is a FOOL.  Anyone who claims to know all typically turns out to be a fool and foolish.  The world and reality is not set in stone but is filled is possibilities.  It is up to us to discover those possibilities and evidence that supports them proving them true or untrue.  

As for the Science vs Religion ongoing....never-ending argument.... it is a bit tiring.  Two camps at opposite extremes.  I have found truth is usually somewhere in the middle of such spectrums and not at either extreme.  In my mind there is nothing in science that contradicts religion and visa versa.  For instance, I don't see anything in the Bible or any other religious writ that says something like, "And God created man Homo sapien."  Just my two cents worth.

Peron

 

 

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now there you go talking about magic and virginity. bred, born and raised a catholic, i was, in Montana where we are surrounded by fossils. i'm freaking exhausted by the useless debate over creation, verses evolution when evolution is carved in stone before our very eyes. also lets not forget Cascade County deputy Keith Wolverton who co-wrote the book Mystery Stalks the Prairie, or plains. all about cattle mutilations and silent helicopters, blips on the radar screen at Malmstrom AFB. crap, we got it all, up here in Montana. science and religion are 2 different methodologies to explain the infinite wonders of the Universe. Science is for the workaholic. hence Archeology, Biology, Anthropology, Astrology, Zoology... it will take an infinite amount of time and energy to explain it all. creation is for the lazy, and ignorant. God did it. for me i wish they taught that in public school, creation, i would have gotten better grades than some of the white washed crap i was taught. for instance, how does a super nova form? God did it. how does a pollywog turn into a frog? God did it. what does 2+2 equal? go ask God. as far as those oblong skulls, i don't even know what to make of those except they are here and seem to me freakishly real. i have seen a vid that claims they are alien/human hybrid. i have read 3 different definitions of "Nibiru". as far as cover-ups, conspiricies, sweepings under the rug, and blame it on the other guy, they are real as well and we are all victims whether or not we are in denial of it. there is enough malevolance right here right now without conjuring it, be it from another galaxy, or dimension, or just from the bowels of our own vivid imagination. it is not practical nor pragmatic and contributes to hypertension. i saw , i think it was on Nova, a documentary about how Earth has had 2 complete ice ages freezing the entire surface completely. life evolving 3 times. in the beginning, whenever that was, and after these 2 ice ages. could dinosaurs have evolved 2 or 3 times? humans and all of our kin 2 or 3 times? i wonder if all those volcanic vents at the bottom of the oceans were still active? i feel they would be and there are entire eco-systems that owe nothing to the sun, nor O2, nor CO2. could those eco-systems be the "primordial soup?" just some ponderings. as far as any evil alien gray goes, if they want to come here and take a ride around in my head that's fine. they better have a full prescription of prozac, paxil, valium, and something for motion sicknes is recommended. when we are through the li'l fella is going to be a little wiggly in the knees, he will have to swallow back down some upchuck in the back of his tiny li'l mouth. believing a good education is key to social, and economic survival, and being an average sized American, to the li'l fella I am a Giant Nordic Alien and i am going to give the wimp assed, bubble headed, bug eyed, artificial butt-plugger his first lesson in basic math, basic psychology, basic physics, and basic survival: Here on Earth, size plus mass count for something, especially if you probe someone's mind and/or arss without their permission! just some more ponderings.

riparianfrstlvr

Tsurugi's picture

Haha! Great comment.

I'd like to add that the idea that fossils are somehow "proof" on the side of evolution is hilarious, because evolution doesn't work well with catastrophes....and yet every fossil is the product of catastrophic events. During non-catastrophic times, nothing is fossilized. Things die, decompose, and are recycled entirely back into the system. It requires major, highly energetic, catastrophic events to take a living or very recently dead thing, remove it entirely from any other organic material, surround it in abiotic mineral material, and entomb it such that it is undisturbed for very long periods of time thereafter.

But it is sort of funny to watch evolutionsts dance around claiming that "they got the fossils" so they win the argument. It is a lovely display of hubris, ignorance, denial, blindness, whatever, take your pick. Not that the "creationists" are any better.

It seems like maybe the problem is, everyone is so focused on answers, when we don't even have the right questions yet. In any case, I have tried to shift my search, from looking for answers, to looking for questions. Better questions, more penetrating questions, entirely new questions. I find that the best kind of questions are not ones that lead to an answer, but that lead to entirely new sets of questions.

Roberto Peron's picture

LOL riparian I love reading your comments and ponderings!!  Keep on preaching it.  

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