Abraham and Angels

Did Ancient People Really Have Lifespans Longer Than 200 Years?

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By Tara MacIsaac , Epoch Times

It isn’t only biblical figures who lived to well-seasoned ages of 900 years or more. Ancient texts from many cultures have listed life spans most modern people find simply and literally unbelievable. Some say it’s due to misunderstandings in the translation process, or that the numbers have symbolic meaning—but against the many explanations are also counterarguments that leave the historian wondering whether the human lifespan has actually decreased so significantly over thousands of years.

For example, one explanation is that the ancient Near East understanding of a year could be different than our concept of a year today. Perhaps a year meant an orbit of the moon (a month) instead of an orbit of the sun (12 months).

But if we make the changes accordingly, while it brings the age of the biblical figure Adam down from 930 to a more reasonable 77 at the time of his death, it also means he would have fathered his son Seth at the age of 11. And Enoch would have only been 5 years old when he fathered Methuselah.

Similar inconsistencies arise when we adjust the year figures to represent seasons instead of solar orbits, noted Carol A. Hill in her article “Making Sense of the Numbers of Genesis,” published in the journal “Perspectives on Science and Christian Faith” in December 2003.

Similar problems have arisen when adjusting ages in ancient texts with the assumption that authors used a certain pattern for skewing the actual ages (such as multiplying them by a given number).

“Numbers [in Genesis] could have both real (numerical) and sacred (numerological or symbolic) meaning,” Hill wrote.

Mathematical Patterns?

In both Genesis and in the 4,000-year-old Sumerian King List—which lists the reigns of single kings in Sumer (ancient southern Iraq) as exceeding 30,000 years in some cases—analysts have noted the use of square numbers.

Much like the Bible, the King List shows a steady decline in lifespans. The list differentiates between pre-flood and post-flood reigns. The pre-flood reigns are significantly longer than the post-flood, though even post-flood lifespans are shown to be several hundred years or more than 1,000 years. In the Bible, we see a progressive decline over the generations from Adam’s 930-year life, to Noah’s 500 years, to Abraham’s 175.

Dwight Young of Brandeis University wrote of the post-flood lifespans in the Sumerian King List: “It is not merely because of their largeness that some of these numbers appear artificial. Etana’s 1560 years, to cite the longest, is but the sum of the two preceding reigns. … Certain spans seem simply to have arisen as multiples of 60. Other large numbers may be recognized as squares: 900, the square of 30; 625, the square of 25; 400, the square of 20 … even among smaller figures, the square of six appears more frequently than one might expect.” Young’s article, titled “A Mathematical Approach to Certain Dynastic Spans in the Sumerian King List,” was published in the Journal of Near Eastern Studies in 1988. Paul Y. Hoskisson, director of the Laura F. Willes Center for Book of Mormon Studies wrote along a similar vein of the patriarch ages in the Bible in a short article for the Neal A. Maxwell Institute for Religious Scholarship.

On the other hand, looking at patterns, co-founder of the Church of God in South Texas Arthur Mendez thinks the rate of decline in longevity from pre-flood times as recorded in ancient texts to today matches the rate of decay observed in organisms when they are exposed to radiation or toxins.

Accounts in Many Cultures, Including Chinese and Persian

In ancient China, super-centenarians were also commonplace, according to many texts. Joseph P. Hou, Ph.D., acupuncturist, wrote in his book “Healthy Longevity Techniques”: “According to Chinese medical records, a doctor named Cuie Wenze of the Qin dynasty lived to be 300 years old. Gee Yule of the later Han dynasty lived to be 280 years old. A high ranking Taoist master monk, Hui Zhao, lived to be 290 years old and Lo Zichange lived to be 180 years old. As recorded in the The Chinese Encyclopedia of Materia Medica, He Nengci of the Tang dynasty lived to be 168 years old. A Taoist master, Li Qingyuan, lived to be 250 years old. In modern times, a traditional Chinese medicine doctor, Lo Mingshan of Sichuan province, lived to be 124 years old.”

Dr. Hou said the Eastern key to longevity is “nourishing life,” including not only physical nourishment, but also mental and spiritual nourishment.

Comments

I am pretty sure that there are medical ways to verify someone''s age.

Tsurugi's picture

They only work by comparison. AFAIK there is no absolute test for age.

Not absolutely as stated. Most modern ways go by bone growth which is based on expected transition from youth, followed by bone wear and cellular degeneration. All of these are modeled on empirical data from known examples, nothing is based on projections by some scientific method. Essentially aside from modern times, theres no way to know how old people truly were in the past because we are basing the age estimates on our own modern examples. It would be effectively like comparing erosion on another planet based on erosion on earth. Its a good 'model' to follow but by no means does it allow for factors we dont understand, know about, or know how to account for.

Cut of his legs and count the rings.

What an amazing resource to bring knowledge and speculation together.

DeAegean's picture

I agree with the Doctor. Excellent article, these things always have me wanting to learn more. Not sure I would be able to even stand living for 900 or 1000 years but a couple hundred would definitely give me more patience in life.

consider.
you know how time slows down? for kids it seems decades between Christmases? for older people years seem to go by like seasons once did?
for those that lived to 900 (supposedly), ya suppose those last 800 went by in, like a year?

If you are willing to entertain the notion that the "gods" from the heavens as told by ancient Sumerian texts either mated with earth people or genetically modified them, then one explanation could be that long lifespans were inherited and resulting crossbreeding back through the human line diluted this trait over time.

The premise is ver similar to that put out by TD Alexander. In Ancient Secrets astronomy of the gods. A key point is that anytime you see something that doesn't make sense it's pointing to secret embedded code. It's giving a different message. This happens frequently. What if it's a map? A map to where!
Ancient Secrets: Astronomy of the Gods by T D Alexander

You've hit it right on the head, I equate your definition of "gods" as aliens. A far superior race with life spans in the hundreds of years started our population. It's then been diluted. So deep down in my DNA, I still have a chance.

translation errors resulting from translating from Jewish, Greek to Roman to English etc. Can be one reason.
Another explanation is the ages are a combination of years and months.
Example: Bob lived 174 years. We're not saying Bob is a 174 year old grey bearded old coot, were saying Bob lived 17 years and 4 months.

What if the actual years, i.e the time it takes the earth to orbit the sun, were shorter back then, and the earth slowed down since then?

the velocity of our orbit determines the orbit.
if we slowed down, our orbit would fall between the sun and the Goldilocks zone.

Genesis chapter 6 verse 3; Yet his days shall be 120 years.

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In Vedic literature references do exist where people lived for 800-1000 years. What was a year? Can’t assume it was the same as now. But I do know from personal experience that certain shakties exist in our body. Think about how the body heals itself. What makes it heal? What was Hippocrates talking about? Concentrating 4-5 hours a day, after 20 years, I’m getting closer to the truth. Faint but unmistakable stirrings . . . . . To know what it is, you’ve to know the concept of space density and the sameness of the human and the cosmos. Sounds unscientific but  experientially true.   Let me categorically state that the human body is the most intelligent entity, known so far in the entire universe! So look after it!     //Ournewscience.com/

Ravi Sadana
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Yes, the lifespans before the flood were longer. Not just for biblical individuals. They could last as long as 1500 years if you were living right. You didnt hit your prime until you were 70 or 80 years old.

The epic hero of the Battle of the Mahabtarrata, Grandsire Bhishma Patimah, was 446 when he was fatallly wounded on the battlefield.

The entire population of the earth had considerably more brain power, as well. At that point, humans didnt have a barrier between the hemispheres of their brains.

Modern technology has made created an individual that has devolved us. As technology advances and machines got more intelligent, we have grown steadily less powerful neurologically. We have machines to perform tasks and have not had to think about each specific task that feel off of our "to do" list of daily life.

We may have more intelligence, but possess less concentrantion capabilities. Our thought patterns have changed.

When you gain understanding about something your brain undergoes change. It changes phsically. It functions like a muscle. When you do exercise it on a regular basis, it will loss its capabilities. That what the science of neuroplasticity is about.
We have grown lazy and so have our brains.

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Conditioning of the human mind caused by “Time”, “Money” and “Mathematics” since the time of Newton has changed the Brain-mind complex in fundamental ways. People of pre-science periods had special mental capabilities which we don't have today.  Science, today cannot build  structures like, The Pyramids (Egypt),  Pumu Punku (Bolivia) and Gobekli Tepe (Turkey). These structures were built during the copper age. Science is completely baffled  and can't offer any explanation. Mindsets have changed  and we can't apply modern science principles to explain  the achievements of pre-science period.

For more on the subject pl. read: //Ournewscience.com/     Ravi Sadana

Ravi Sadana
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I doubt it because of the aging process. To live twice as long either we would have to mature at about half the rate, and take sixty years to become what is thirty today, or we would mature at a similar rate, aging at around seventy, and end up looking very, VERY old at the end of a two-hundred year lifespan.

I'm convinced in the early bronze age a man of 900 was 900 moons old. About seventy-five years.

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After researching the Vedic and Zorah scriptures for over twenty(20) years, I have found physiological and spiritual evidence  for long life and the ability to perform superphysical feats defying modern physical laws.

I’ve read many references to “siddhis” describing in Aramaic and Sanskrit languages the actual meditation, breath-control and concentration techniques to attain them. Sidhis are logic-defying physical feats. There are 8 major ones.

Abraham and Mosses knew them and taught them to pupils. Kaballah is now setting up teaching centers for classes and demonstrations for the public.

Vedic epics Mahabhatra and Ramayan are full of actual scenes where such feats were performed in full view, in battles and civil activities.

Old construction sites being dugup by archeologists like Pyramids, Macchu Pichu, Pumu Punko etc. provide ample proof of the existence of “special knowledge” the old builders had, to build structures which we cannot build today with our modern technology.

<strong>Most importantly,</strong> we cannot use the scientific principles we know today, to understand the “mental capabilities” of the long-past minds. They are two, entirely different mindsets, based on “specific paradigms” known to teachers of the day.

That’s why science doesn’t even come as close as a light-year to explain how the old builders could do all that when all they had was a copper chisel in their tool-box. 

We have lost these “mental powers and capabilities” over the years as modern science has progressed and replaced knowledge/logic in the human psyche, new over old. Surely science has done miracles in the understanding of how matter behaves, leading to discoveries for creature comforts and business effeiciencies. Technology of today.

However, over the years, insidiously, the human mind has been conditioned by three (3) concepts, namely, “TIME” , “MONEY”, and "MATHEMATICS”. I’m not saying it's bad or good. This conditioning has altered the very nature of fundamentals. Not only the human mind, but also the scientific mind. 

Today, Science is an end to itself. It preaches extreme materialism to the exclusion of immaterial factors. Think placebo effect and catalyses in chemistry. Science is also taking the human mind away from nature, according to Kaballah. There’s a movement afoot to remove the adjective “natural” in describing physiological and biological functions, like natural breast-feeding, natural passage through the birth-canal etc.

If human mind is cutoff from nature, basic connections will be lost, according to  Kaballah, leading to  serious problems and crises for society. We are entering that period now.

I have been actually practising some techniques I read about, on my own, over the last twenty (20) years. I’ve concrete proof of their validity.

I am drawing up specific proposals for esoteric research. Getting funding is a problem as I don’t have academic affiliation in the US, where I live in retirement (sunny California).

Am open to suggestions and proposals to commence this reseach.

Ravi Sadana

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Ravi Sadana
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I believe there is something in the bones of humans that gives an annual age?  Like fish scales, the human body exhibits its age in the bones with annual growth indicators.  I could be wrong tho.

Maybe the Earth orbited the sun much faster until it was hit by a comet that destroyed the original earth and slowed the spin and orbit significantly.... Nahhhh......

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