“Let’s not enter the moral debate, for that is wholly subjective”
Are you claiming that a) all of morality is subjective, or that b) only the debate about the ethics of reviving extinct species is so?
If (a), are you really – in a casual aside! – simultaneously dismissing the entire discipline of moral philosophy (within which moral subjectivism is generally regarded as a long-refuted fallacy) and committing yourself to the view that, say, a preference for kindness over cruelty, or for liberal democracy over fascist dictatorship, is merely a subjective, arbitrary whim? If so, you really need to offer some argument for this position, and some reply to the long-standing arguments that have been given to the contrary.
If (b), then you need to explain what’s special about this issue that makes it subjective in a way that other moral debates are not.
Your point about the flood, displacement, this earth has not lost one drop of water since its beginning. In your calculations did you include all the volume from the underground aquifers where this water first broke into a stream and later receded?. It is easy to reorder words in favor or disfavor.
I am humored in your dismantling reason(s). However, you are correct in the sense of plagiarized religions.
In mankind’s time line, rather it be the Bible, Koran, Torah or even earlier, the emerald tablet, these were the philosophy of the day, a guidance of virtue. In other words, did a snake really talk in the garden of Eden? It is the moral of the story. Mankind’s knowingness seems to weigh itself in dualism, Light or Dark, Sol or Luna, Damned or UN-damned, the eyes of Horus, Heaven or Hell, etc.
These are all good books. They have brought consciousness to your definition of being. Without them, how else would have weighed yourself? Thus, the intent of the Manuscript. Pehaps somebody should tell Bill Maher, I just recently watched his documentary on the Bible. I guess comedians like to make funny of themselves.
I know that article, and I don't change my opinion, but here I will illustrate better the hypotheses alternative to mine. In the case of the enigma of siliceous blocks, it seems that the official science cautiously begins to admit (and this is already extraordinary) the possibility of their chemical treatment, and try to understand, with interesting efforts of imagination, which acid was used. The cited article would like to explain the dissolution of feldspars, but also of granite, andesite, diorite and quartz in general, with the use of a mineral compound, acid pyrite mud. Another thesis maintains that acidic (oxalic and citric) were extracted from common vegetables (tomatoes, potatoes, etc.), then used with the addition of guano on purpose imported. Unfortunately the authoritative persons who proposed such solutions, not validated by laboratory tests, have not yet been able to give a definite answer to the problem. Yet the indications of the millennial Andean tradition are numerous, concordant and very clear. But the official science disdains them as unreliable fables, and therefore neglects the fact that in those folkloristic stories there is no trace of a corrosive mineral matter, nor of one coming from the kitchen garden. They affirm instead unequivocally, only and always, that to connect siliceous blocks a particular plant was used, the Pito (identifiable with the Palicourea), plus some other less important ingredient that is never named, but that cannot be excluded to be the juice of other plants, or "pyrite acid mud", or "humus acids", or "acid water". They only talk about Pito because evidently it was the most active element, and it was so because it contains hydrofluoric acid, HF, much more aggressive on silicon than any other acid. As I wrote, and as you can see, acidic plant juice can very well dissolve "granite or similar igneous rocks", if that plant juice abounds with HF, hydrofluoric acid. Not only do such plants exist, but more than forty species are known, among which, mentioned in my article, the richest ones are Palicourea and Dichapetalum. It really amazes me that, if they came to consider vegetable acids, nobody came to think of HF. Moreover, obtaining acid from that single plant is infinitely easier than doing it from many different vegetables or from mining by-products. There is no doubt, however, that Pito was the main component of the "reddish mud" mentioned by Spanish chroniclers and used as a mortar. Certainly it was NOT so the "acid pyrite mud," which has nothing to do with Fawcett's amphora liquid; nor with the corrosion of shoes, attested by those who had trodden on an expanse of that plant; nor with the Andean Carpintero, or Colaptes rupicola, the bird called Pito; or with the tradition that the gods had given the Pito plant to men to alleviate their labors. Not to mention the analogous substance, based on the same HF, used in the building of Egyptian temples, and then by Moses, Solomon and the wild cock of the Jewish legend. The same argument obviously applies to the hypothetical soup of vegetables and various plants theorized as possible corrosive. I apologize to your "inner engineer" and to the eminent scientists who gave birth to those theses, but they seem to me to be groundless conjectures, which also unnecessarily complicate a probably much simpler procedure. This, at least, is my opinion. As for the pressure solution, I described it in detail in a draft of a research Project aimed at reconstructing, among other things, the pre-Inca stone masonry technology. That weight accelerates the reaction between HF and silicon is obvious and intuitive. It is from that reaction that at the end, from the joints between the blocks, still active water came out which smoothed and "vitrified" the surface. If you are interested I can send you the text of the Project, for which I am looking for help and collaboration from anyone who wants to participate, since it is an initiative impossible to carry out "solo". It is superfluous to point out that everything here presented and proposed requires in-depth experimental tests.
Thanks for your comment. All knowledge, which is an instrument of power, has always been property of the powerful. Ordinary people did not know this capacity of the plant. The ancient texts write that the Shamìr was extraordinary because it left smooth and perfect surfaces; and today there is a 2001 Japanese patent that uses acid to polish metal parts of semiconductors. I'm just looking for someone who wants to do some tests and can prove the theory. Can you help me ?
-It could be stored, as I have written, in lead containers (in gold too, but it is more difficult ...), or in some other material, provided they were inside covered with wax.
Good story about Boudicca. However, there were no Celts in Britain. A growing number of academics are now saying this. Keltic tribes populated the mainland of Europe. There were Gaels and ancient Brits called Khumry.
“DNA tests carried out in 2010 confirmed that Tutankhamun was the son of Akhenaten and Akhenaten's sister and wife.”
Despite what the politicians at the Egyption Ministry of Antiquities want everyone to believe, DNA testing only shows close relationship – it DOES NOT tell who was who. Alternate theories based on actual evidence suggest that Akenaten was Tut’s younger half-brother – same father, Amenhotep 3, but different mothers. Akenaten’s mother married the substitute Pharoah Ay, who “filled the gap” after Tut and his Father (Amenhotep 3) died within days of each other. DNA testing of Amenhoteps mummy will NOT confim this as his body was not recovered. as was common practice in Egypt, a substitute body was used with the Pharoah’s cartouche for his Ka to find in the afterlife.
That comment makes me think of the word babble. Not only is it understood in the English language, but it is specifically, stated, ‘therefore it’s name is babble’. Of course, it could have been adopted into the English language, especially since the Bible is so popular in America. I did find this reference online, although it doesn’t prove it’s origin.
Babel, modern-day Babylon, comes from Akkadian meaning 'gate of god' (the -el, Akkadian īl-, is cognate to the (-)el meaning 'god' in Hebrew, as in Michael or Elohim; bāb meaning gate is cognate to the prophet title, the Báb, in the Bahá'í faith).
Babble comes from a common Germanic root of the same meaning, which we see also in, inter alia, German babbeln, Dutch babbelen, and Swedish babbla (all of the same meaning as the English). But I can never get over the fact Babel is not only very close to Abel, but also bible. The tower of bable and the torah of bibel. It’s quite funny to me. Another one I laugh at is Lot. Lot’s pillar of salt was left in Sodom (southdom; the ocean floor). When the mist fell, it mixed with lots pillar of salt, and why we have oceans and seas today.
All of the female figurines made with stone, which have been found almost all over Europe, with prominent breasts and emphasised hips were hand carved during the Age of Taurus they are simply a veneration of the deity which we know today as Venus which rules Taurus. The figurines were mostly hand held enabling the holder to lovingly fondle Venus. Some of the figurines even have a prominent clitoris.
Venus rules feminine beauty and fertility and at the same time rules agriculture which begins the life of our food. The symbol of the female is the symbol of Venus the circle with a cross attached to the bottom of the circle.
Ashtarte or Ishtar said quickly translates into that which we know today as Easter, the period when Venus rules or takes prominence, in the sky as the Son of God moves through Taurus.
The 21st April to 21st May, which before somebody (deliberately and malevolently for a purpose) messed with our months this was day 1 to day 30 of my revered ancestors, month.
At the end of the Age of Taurus the empire of Egypt collapsed as many empires have collapsed at the end of the Age. The Roman empire rose at the end of the Age of Taurus and collapsed at the end of the Age of Aries and as we have just left the Age of Pisces this is precisely that which we are seeing now, the total and complete collapse of the Western civilisation and the rise of the Eastern civilisation.
Nothing will remain.
The ‘famous horned figure’ in the top picture wears an antler headress virtually identical to those found in Adena burials in present-day Ohio, which culture Frank Joseph attributes to Celtic origin, based not only on that, but on a lengthy list of attributes and similarities between the two cultures, including clothing and burial practices.
Those Christians who believe in Noah's flood claim that today's mountains did not exist in Noah's day, they came later, thus they argue the Earth must have been flatter and the mountains not so high and thus these low-lying mountains easily could be covered in water like the Bible says. I don't buy this nonsense.
Walter, although I know noone ever could be saved from eternal torment (for a lot of reasons), the flood, without a doubt, never happened. First, the bible claims the waters covered all the mountains of the Earth. The elevation of Mt Everest is 29,000 ft. The average depth of the Earth's oceans is 12,000 ft, and they only cover 70% of the Earth's surface. Furthermore, the oceans contain 96% of the Earth's water, including the atmosphere. The definition of rain is, water that evaporates, then falls back to Earth. So the Sun has to heat the water, then the moisture cools, and falls back to Earth. There is no way, even if the Sun boiled all the water out of the ocean, then dropped it back down, even Mt Ararat (elev 12000 ft) couldnt have been covered. Just for the sake of insanity, the water would have all rushed back into what used to be the ocean. Earth's average rainfall per year is 39 inches, 3.25 ft. For the water to have covered Everest, would have required something like, 800 ft per day, for 40 days. And there has been no water discovered, outside of our atmosphere, in all the exploration done. The story is simply ridiculous.
Absolutely. I've long been saying that everything we think we know about our universe, and indeed our own planet and history, is largely based on guesswork. We act as if we know everything, when in reality, we know very little. I think it's very important to keep our minds open and explore different possibilities without outright dismissing them because they don't neatly fit into our current accepted theories. It's quite interesting that these come from Orion, since humankind has a long history of association with Orion. Wonder if the ancients knew something we still don't know!
This is a gorgeous piece of silversmithing and I doubt it could be reproduced today. What incredible figures and they undoubtedly tell us a story. More than this, will always be debated and that's good.
Here you can navigate quickly through all comments made in any article sorted by date/time.
Glad this site exists. I have been interested in these topics ever since reading the book The Secret Universe by Aerik Vondenburg.
“Let’s not enter the moral debate, for that is wholly subjective”
Are you claiming that a) all of morality is subjective, or that b) only the debate about the ethics of reviving extinct species is so?
If (a), are you really – in a casual aside! – simultaneously dismissing the entire discipline of moral philosophy (within which moral subjectivism is generally regarded as a long-refuted fallacy) and committing yourself to the view that, say, a preference for kindness over cruelty, or for liberal democracy over fascist dictatorship, is merely a subjective, arbitrary whim? If so, you really need to offer some argument for this position, and some reply to the long-standing arguments that have been given to the contrary.
If (b), then you need to explain what’s special about this issue that makes it subjective in a way that other moral debates are not.
Your point about the flood, displacement, this earth has not lost one drop of water since its beginning. In your calculations did you include all the volume from the underground aquifers where this water first broke into a stream and later receded?. It is easy to reorder words in favor or disfavor.
I am humored in your dismantling reason(s). However, you are correct in the sense of plagiarized religions.
In mankind’s time line, rather it be the Bible, Koran, Torah or even earlier, the emerald tablet, these were the philosophy of the day, a guidance of virtue. In other words, did a snake really talk in the garden of Eden? It is the moral of the story. Mankind’s knowingness seems to weigh itself in dualism, Light or Dark, Sol or Luna, Damned or UN-damned, the eyes of Horus, Heaven or Hell, etc.
These are all good books. They have brought consciousness to your definition of being. Without them, how else would have weighed yourself? Thus, the intent of the Manuscript. Pehaps somebody should tell Bill Maher, I just recently watched his documentary on the Bible. I guess comedians like to make funny of themselves.
I know that article, and I don't change my opinion, but here I will illustrate better the hypotheses alternative to mine. In the case of the enigma of siliceous blocks, it seems that the official science cautiously begins to admit (and this is already extraordinary) the possibility of their chemical treatment, and try to understand, with interesting efforts of imagination, which acid was used.
The cited article would like to explain the dissolution of feldspars, but also of granite, andesite, diorite and quartz in general, with the use of a mineral compound, acid pyrite mud. Another thesis maintains that acidic (oxalic and citric) were extracted from common vegetables (tomatoes, potatoes, etc.), then used with the addition of guano on purpose imported. Unfortunately the authoritative persons who proposed such solutions, not validated by laboratory tests, have not yet been able to give a definite answer to the problem. Yet the indications of the millennial Andean tradition are numerous, concordant and very clear. But the official science disdains them as unreliable fables, and therefore neglects the fact that in those folkloristic stories there is no trace of a corrosive mineral matter, nor of one coming from the kitchen garden.
They affirm instead unequivocally, only and always, that to connect siliceous blocks a particular plant was used, the Pito (identifiable with the Palicourea), plus some other less important ingredient that is never named, but that cannot be excluded to be the juice of other plants, or "pyrite acid mud", or "humus acids", or "acid water".
They only talk about Pito because evidently it was the most active element, and it was so because it contains hydrofluoric acid, HF, much more aggressive on silicon than any other acid. As I wrote, and as you can see, acidic plant juice can very well dissolve "granite or similar igneous rocks", if that plant juice abounds with HF, hydrofluoric acid. Not only do such plants exist, but more than forty species are known, among which, mentioned in my article, the richest ones are Palicourea and Dichapetalum. It really amazes me that, if they came to consider vegetable acids, nobody came to think of HF. Moreover, obtaining acid from that single plant is infinitely easier than doing it from many different vegetables or from mining by-products.
There is no doubt, however, that Pito was the main component of the "reddish mud" mentioned by Spanish chroniclers and used as a mortar. Certainly it was NOT so the "acid pyrite mud," which has nothing to do with Fawcett's amphora liquid; nor with the corrosion of shoes, attested by those who had trodden on an expanse of that plant; nor with the Andean Carpintero, or Colaptes rupicola, the bird called Pito; or with the tradition that the gods had given the Pito plant to men to alleviate their labors. Not to mention the analogous substance, based on the same HF, used in the building of Egyptian temples, and then by Moses, Solomon and the wild cock of the Jewish legend. The same argument obviously applies to the hypothetical soup of vegetables and various plants theorized as possible corrosive.
I apologize to your "inner engineer" and to the eminent scientists who gave birth to those theses, but they seem to me to be groundless conjectures, which also unnecessarily complicate a probably much simpler procedure. This, at least, is my opinion.
As for the pressure solution, I described it in detail in a draft of a research Project aimed at reconstructing, among other things, the pre-Inca stone masonry technology. That weight accelerates the reaction between HF and silicon is obvious and intuitive. It is from that reaction that at the end, from the joints between the blocks, still active water came out which smoothed and "vitrified" the surface.
If you are interested I can send you the text of the Project, for which I am looking for help and collaboration from anyone who wants to participate, since it is an initiative impossible to carry out "solo". It is superfluous to point out that everything here presented and proposed requires in-depth experimental tests.
I don't think so, I read that it also attacks natural rubber. Instead it does not attack PVC and neoprene, but then there were no ............
I did not find this detail, but it was certainly made of terra-cotta. I think it was covered internally, and even sealed, with wax.
Thanks for your comment. All knowledge, which is an instrument of power, has always been property of the powerful. Ordinary people did not know this capacity of the plant. The ancient texts write that the Shamìr was extraordinary because it left smooth and perfect surfaces; and today there is a 2001 Japanese patent that uses acid to polish metal parts of semiconductors. I'm just looking for someone who wants to do some tests and can prove the theory. Can you help me ?
-It could be stored, as I have written, in lead containers (in gold too, but it is more difficult ...), or in some other material, provided they were inside covered with wax.
Good story about Boudicca. However, there were no Celts in Britain. A growing number of academics are now saying this. Keltic tribes populated the mainland of Europe. There were Gaels and ancient Brits called Khumry.
“DNA tests carried out in 2010 confirmed that Tutankhamun was the son of Akhenaten and Akhenaten's sister and wife.”
Despite what the politicians at the Egyption Ministry of Antiquities want everyone to believe, DNA testing only shows close relationship – it DOES NOT tell who was who. Alternate theories based on actual evidence suggest that Akenaten was Tut’s younger half-brother – same father, Amenhotep 3, but different mothers. Akenaten’s mother married the substitute Pharoah Ay, who “filled the gap” after Tut and his Father (Amenhotep 3) died within days of each other. DNA testing of Amenhoteps mummy will NOT confim this as his body was not recovered. as was common practice in Egypt, a substitute body was used with the Pharoah’s cartouche for his Ka to find in the afterlife.
That comment makes me think of the word babble. Not only is it understood in the English language, but it is specifically, stated, ‘therefore it’s name is babble’. Of course, it could have been adopted into the English language, especially since the Bible is so popular in America. I did find this reference online, although it doesn’t prove it’s origin.
Babel, modern-day Babylon, comes from Akkadian meaning 'gate of god' (the -el, Akkadian īl-, is cognate to the (-)el meaning 'god' in Hebrew, as in Michael or Elohim; bāb meaning gate is cognate to the prophet title, the Báb, in the Bahá'í faith).
Babble comes from a common Germanic root of the same meaning, which we see also in, inter alia, German babbeln, Dutch babbelen, and Swedish babbla (all of the same meaning as the English). But I can never get over the fact Babel is not only very close to Abel, but also bible. The tower of bable and the torah of bibel. It’s quite funny to me. Another one I laugh at is Lot. Lot’s pillar of salt was left in Sodom (southdom; the ocean floor). When the mist fell, it mixed with lots pillar of salt, and why we have oceans and seas today.
https://www.reddit.com/r/etymology/comments/2v2sq7/is_the_word_babble_in_any_way_related_to_the/
All of the female figurines made with stone, which have been found almost all over Europe, with prominent breasts and emphasised hips were hand carved during the Age of Taurus they are simply a veneration of the deity which we know today as Venus which rules Taurus. The figurines were mostly hand held enabling the holder to lovingly fondle Venus. Some of the figurines even have a prominent clitoris.
Venus rules feminine beauty and fertility and at the same time rules agriculture which begins the life of our food. The symbol of the female is the symbol of Venus the circle with a cross attached to the bottom of the circle.
Ashtarte or Ishtar said quickly translates into that which we know today as Easter, the period when Venus rules or takes prominence, in the sky as the Son of God moves through Taurus.
The 21st April to 21st May, which before somebody (deliberately and malevolently for a purpose) messed with our months this was day 1 to day 30 of my revered ancestors, month.
At the end of the Age of Taurus the empire of Egypt collapsed as many empires have collapsed at the end of the Age. The Roman empire rose at the end of the Age of Taurus and collapsed at the end of the Age of Aries and as we have just left the Age of Pisces this is precisely that which we are seeing now, the total and complete collapse of the Western civilisation and the rise of the Eastern civilisation.
Nothing will remain.
The ‘famous horned figure’ in the top picture wears an antler headress virtually identical to those found in Adena burials in present-day Ohio, which culture Frank Joseph attributes to Celtic origin, based not only on that, but on a lengthy list of attributes and similarities between the two cultures, including clothing and burial practices.
Those Christians who believe in Noah's flood claim that today's mountains did not exist in Noah's day, they came later, thus they argue the Earth must have been flatter and the mountains not so high and thus these low-lying mountains easily could be covered in water like the Bible says. I don't buy this nonsense.
Walter, although I know noone ever could be saved from eternal torment (for a lot of reasons), the flood, without a doubt, never happened. First, the bible claims the waters covered all the mountains of the Earth. The elevation of Mt Everest is 29,000 ft. The average depth of the Earth's oceans is 12,000 ft, and they only cover 70% of the Earth's surface. Furthermore, the oceans contain 96% of the Earth's water, including the atmosphere. The definition of rain is, water that evaporates, then falls back to Earth. So the Sun has to heat the water, then the moisture cools, and falls back to Earth. There is no way, even if the Sun boiled all the water out of the ocean, then dropped it back down, even Mt Ararat (elev 12000 ft) couldnt have been covered. Just for the sake of insanity, the water would have all rushed back into what used to be the ocean. Earth's average rainfall per year is 39 inches, 3.25 ft. For the water to have covered Everest, would have required something like, 800 ft per day, for 40 days. And there has been no water discovered, outside of our atmosphere, in all the exploration done. The story is simply ridiculous.
Couldn't agree with you more. Theory is not fact, yet it's being treated as such all the time. That said, crystalline alloys sound super cool.
Absolutely. I've long been saying that everything we think we know about our universe, and indeed our own planet and history, is largely based on guesswork. We act as if we know everything, when in reality, we know very little. I think it's very important to keep our minds open and explore different possibilities without outright dismissing them because they don't neatly fit into our current accepted theories. It's quite interesting that these come from Orion, since humankind has a long history of association with Orion. Wonder if the ancients knew something we still don't know!
This is a gorgeous piece of silversmithing and I doubt it could be reproduced today. What incredible figures and they undoubtedly tell us a story. More than this, will always be debated and that's good.
Anything we can learn about these people will be a plus. This is a remarkable find.
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