A good bunch of perceptive comments. I believe the extreme age of the ruins is incontestable; it is at least twelve-thousand years old. As one commentator noted, the disarray of the ruins, when first discovered by Spaniards, indicates cataclysmic action. What some people overlook (and most archeologists) is the elevation of the site. The content of Lake Titicaca, the agricultural terraces up to and above the snow line, and several other factors strongly suggest extreme uplift of the whole area. Puma Punku was a seaport before the Cataclysm. Even Darwin noted elevated waterlines above the coast. Megalithic ruins throughout the Americas demonstrate an advanced civilization; sites under the ocean prove cataclysmic changes in geography.
Is teh church of San Pedro de la Nave really on the camino de santiago. walked the way in 2002 and never saw that church. I think it is not on the regular way to santiago.
Strange, or even funny eventually, that about 80% of archaeological discoveries before, say, 1000 BCE are being regarded (read: taken for granted) as linked to religious rituals; no doubt, there is evidence for that assertion, science works this way. About every time you hear about an archaeological discovery, it's some "religious" item; just check it out. Granted, belief in various gods was paramount to societal development in ancient times, but anyway one would think what considerable manpower and amount of time would've been necessary to create complex architecture, instead of using them for obtaining food and generally for keeping the community alive. To say that 80% of what's left of ancient societies was linked to rituals is, diplomatically put, quite strange. As if those people could not create anything else that would last for thousands of years except ritualistic items. And as stone lasts for aeons, wonder how "religious" were initially regarded the remarkable engineering feats at Sacsayhuaman, Ollantaytambo, Cusco, Puma Punku and Samaipata. Items described in this article, hundreds of them: it would've been one for every tenth citizen in a society striving for survival in a tropical environment. No other items, like... functional ones, were discovered in the same area? Whatever. Ceremonial items rule! Of thumb.
Well, sounds like that's what the UN wants to start building here starting now, with their on track unification of the world governments & religions = Agenda 21 and the 2030 plan. Off of a man's dream state while in a coma that they believe to be true? Those are just 2 of the plans that have partially emerged for public viewing. That man's dream state recollections while in a coma for a new human species also sounds eerily familiar to the old 'new age' desire and crystal ball predictions of a magical transformation of humans, into a human alien hybrid or 'age of aquarius' new 'higher consciousness' species.
Well, lot's of people 'see' things while in coma's, conjuring bizarre types of afterlife living while the brain may still be very active, however no one sees the same thing, they all 'see' (dream) according to their own personal individual beliefs and own personal individual imaginations, influenced by sci-fi and what they read and watch on tv and have stored in their thoughts. Those 'I went to heaven' mind dreams they turned into best selling books that many people still want to believe are true. It's the brain sorting out the jumbled mess into a fantasy dream. Just like reading this man's coma- dream state fantasy will do to those who 'want to believe' by assimilating all or just choosing portions of his story and beliefs into your belief system. The mind is a fascinating thing.
Interesting that people will never know and comprehend the fantasy of it because those living today, will not be here to see the false reality in it all. Anyone can spin their far in the future fantasy about life on earth dream state stories and 'recollect' more all the time, to add on more and more to their wonderful tale. Sci-fi writers do it all the time, usually depicting a horrid, deplorable future, which is still total fantasy!!! Or alien-human hybrid takeovers for our own good to survive. Hybrid or new species of humans + outer spacey alien type cities; and just what are the sci-fi programs, books & movie themes that are constantly being produced?
Many dreams (coma or not) seem real enough but most people wake up and realize dream fantasy from reality. Wishing for, desiring to be true, isn't time travel reality. However, people are free to stuff into their heads and believe whatever they wish, blurring fantasy with reality, absorbing tales of a (perhaps far distant) future or event which no one can prove. It's exactly like the assorted, can't be proved (usually about aliens) beliefs while attempting to reconstruct our pre-history past. A lot of conjecture, theory, supposition, mix of beliefs and great error in not knowing provable history and great error connecting the dots. No one can prove one ounce of it but there are endless programs on Discovery, Sci-fi & History channels, many books are written and more theories are formulated on a wrong foundation that cannot be proven.
This guy's coma dream state fantasy about earth's future "reality" will make a lot of $$$. Perhaps even a future screenplay in the making.
Sounds easy enough to spin a yarn with sequel potential; putting on top of my to do bucket list.
Cat's carry a parasite called taxoplasmosis, which takes control over your brain and makes you a slave of the cat. They took over Egypt and through them the rest of the world. People like David Icke think reptilians control the world, but I bet he “owns” a cat.
I think this would be very good. It is always good to find the root species in plants because what if they could be cross bred with modern strains of plants to produce a stronger plant.
I will have forever in my memory the vision of my small Siamese & Korat kittens playfully swatting a visiting cobra on the nose… cobra lifted her head hood and hissed very loudly, a sharp sustained sound, unlike the hiss of a cat, cobra spit just enough venom to deter the naughty kittens, but not enough to hurt them, she then slithered quickly by. The cats & cobra seemed to have an understanding of each other and of the territory, human, cat, garden…. Cats have always been welcome in my garden for this reason…..
I think most if not all ancients wanted their work to be more/less immortalized, since they could not figure to get their names and/or faces to be known forever, the only way they could keep up with what they witnessed, felt and talked about were the heavenly movements of what they viewed as eternal.
So they keep view, get a record of movements, discover their precise timing and place it in their construction. Knowing it would always be there. What better way to let future know, they knew.
I like to think those cross banded motifs and pseudo glyphs help represent the position the owner or leader had in society. Maybe cities were abandoned because when the dead filled the cemetaries and they got too big, the living would leave to build elsewhere because spirits of the dead would haunt eventually the living. More dead here now than alive, so lets leave, so both sides can have peace.
yes, one might suspect in their condition, they would have been buried with some coal, to absorb moisture, and certain chemicals and wrapping to eliminate oxygen, but why do that for coins anyway ? then wonder if there is lead alloyed with the more precious metals. ? that iis not mentioned.
I usually dont get on peoples opinions. But please, this is a MAJOR discovery of our human race from over 12,000 years ago. They deeper they dig the more massive the structures are, the first ones they uncovered are the least advanced. the deeper the go the more intense and larger they become meaning the technology was more advance. Not only that. ALL they structures was filled in on purpose to protect and hide them over 3000 years ago. This was a major religious, social, learning center of pre history that we know of. Much is still to be gleemed about this awesome site.
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Any progress on the iPad app? I have an iPad 4 and now a Pro as well. Would love to have an Ancient Origins app!
A good bunch of perceptive comments. I believe the extreme age of the ruins is incontestable; it is at least twelve-thousand years old. As one commentator noted, the disarray of the ruins, when first discovered by Spaniards, indicates cataclysmic action. What some people overlook (and most archeologists) is the elevation of the site. The content of Lake Titicaca, the agricultural terraces up to and above the snow line, and several other factors strongly suggest extreme uplift of the whole area. Puma Punku was a seaport before the Cataclysm. Even Darwin noted elevated waterlines above the coast. Megalithic ruins throughout the Americas demonstrate an advanced civilization; sites under the ocean prove cataclysmic changes in geography.
Is teh church of San Pedro de la Nave really on the camino de santiago. walked the way in 2002 and never saw that church. I think it is not on the regular way to santiago.
Strange, or even funny eventually, that about 80% of archaeological discoveries before, say, 1000 BCE are being regarded (read: taken for granted) as linked to religious rituals; no doubt, there is evidence for that assertion, science works this way. About every time you hear about an archaeological discovery, it's some "religious" item; just check it out. Granted, belief in various gods was paramount to societal development in ancient times, but anyway one would think what considerable manpower and amount of time would've been necessary to create complex architecture, instead of using them for obtaining food and generally for keeping the community alive. To say that 80% of what's left of ancient societies was linked to rituals is, diplomatically put, quite strange. As if those people could not create anything else that would last for thousands of years except ritualistic items. And as stone lasts for aeons, wonder how "religious" were initially regarded the remarkable engineering feats at Sacsayhuaman, Ollantaytambo, Cusco, Puma Punku and Samaipata. Items described in this article, hundreds of them: it would've been one for every tenth citizen in a society striving for survival in a tropical environment. No other items, like... functional ones, were discovered in the same area? Whatever. Ceremonial items rule! Of thumb.
Well, sounds like that's what the UN wants to start building here starting now, with their on track unification of the world governments & religions = Agenda 21 and the 2030 plan. Off of a man's dream state while in a coma that they believe to be true? Those are just 2 of the plans that have partially emerged for public viewing. That man's dream state recollections while in a coma for a new human species also sounds eerily familiar to the old 'new age' desire and crystal ball predictions of a magical transformation of humans, into a human alien hybrid or 'age of aquarius' new 'higher consciousness' species.
Well, lot's of people 'see' things while in coma's, conjuring bizarre types of afterlife living while the brain may still be very active, however no one sees the same thing, they all 'see' (dream) according to their own personal individual beliefs and own personal individual imaginations, influenced by sci-fi and what they read and watch on tv and have stored in their thoughts. Those 'I went to heaven' mind dreams they turned into best selling books that many people still want to believe are true. It's the brain sorting out the jumbled mess into a fantasy dream. Just like reading this man's coma- dream state fantasy will do to those who 'want to believe' by assimilating all or just choosing portions of his story and beliefs into your belief system. The mind is a fascinating thing.
Interesting that people will never know and comprehend the fantasy of it because those living today, will not be here to see the false reality in it all. Anyone can spin their far in the future fantasy about life on earth dream state stories and 'recollect' more all the time, to add on more and more to their wonderful tale. Sci-fi writers do it all the time, usually depicting a horrid, deplorable future, which is still total fantasy!!! Or alien-human hybrid takeovers for our own good to survive. Hybrid or new species of humans + outer spacey alien type cities; and just what are the sci-fi programs, books & movie themes that are constantly being produced?
Many dreams (coma or not) seem real enough but most people wake up and realize dream fantasy from reality. Wishing for, desiring to be true, isn't time travel reality. However, people are free to stuff into their heads and believe whatever they wish, blurring fantasy with reality, absorbing tales of a (perhaps far distant) future or event which no one can prove. It's exactly like the assorted, can't be proved (usually about aliens) beliefs while attempting to reconstruct our pre-history past. A lot of conjecture, theory, supposition, mix of beliefs and great error in not knowing provable history and great error connecting the dots. No one can prove one ounce of it but there are endless programs on Discovery, Sci-fi & History channels, many books are written and more theories are formulated on a wrong foundation that cannot be proven.
This guy's coma dream state fantasy about earth's future "reality" will make a lot of $$$. Perhaps even a future screenplay in the making.
Sounds easy enough to spin a yarn with sequel potential; putting on top of my to do bucket list.
The first picture reminded me of Taino dujos, but i'm not so sure about that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ta%C3%ADno#/media/File:Duho.jpg
cool name mr chomper.
cool name mr chomper.
Cat's carry a parasite called taxoplasmosis, which takes control over your brain and makes you a slave of the cat. They took over Egypt and through them the rest of the world. People like David Icke think reptilians control the world, but I bet he “owns” a cat.
;)
I think this would be very good. It is always good to find the root species in plants because what if they could be cross bred with modern strains of plants to produce a stronger plant.
I will have forever in my memory the vision of my small Siamese & Korat kittens playfully swatting a visiting cobra on the nose… cobra lifted her head hood and hissed very loudly, a sharp sustained sound, unlike the hiss of a cat, cobra spit just enough venom to deter the naughty kittens, but not enough to hurt them, she then slithered quickly by. The cats & cobra seemed to have an understanding of each other and of the territory, human, cat, garden…. Cats have always been welcome in my garden for this reason…..
I think most if not all ancients wanted their work to be more/less immortalized, since they could not figure to get their names and/or faces to be known forever, the only way they could keep up with what they witnessed, felt and talked about were the heavenly movements of what they viewed as eternal.
So they keep view, get a record of movements, discover their precise timing and place it in their construction. Knowing it would always be there. What better way to let future know, they knew.
I like to think those cross banded motifs and pseudo glyphs help represent the position the owner or leader had in society. Maybe cities were abandoned because when the dead filled the cemetaries and they got too big, the living would leave to build elsewhere because spirits of the dead would haunt eventually the living. More dead here now than alive, so lets leave, so both sides can have peace.
yes, one might suspect in their condition, they would have been buried with some coal, to absorb moisture, and certain chemicals and wrapping to eliminate oxygen, but why do that for coins anyway ? then wonder if there is lead alloyed with the more precious metals. ? that iis not mentioned.
wonder what ancient miners and their masters did with the lead ?
I look forward to learning about all new archaeological reports
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I usually dont get on peoples opinions. But please, this is a MAJOR discovery of our human race from over 12,000 years ago. They deeper they dig the more massive the structures are, the first ones they uncovered are the least advanced. the deeper the go the more intense and larger they become meaning the technology was more advance. Not only that. ALL they structures was filled in on purpose to protect and hide them over 3000 years ago. This was a major religious, social, learning center of pre history that we know of. Much is still to be gleemed about this awesome site.
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