Krishna and Rukmini as Groom and Bride in a Celestial Chariot

Controversy as evidence for ancient Indian Aviation Technology to be examined at Science Congress

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The Indian Science Congress hosted at Mumbai University on January 3, which includes six Nobel laureates and four recipients of prestigious scientific prizes in its roster of speakers, will include a lecture examining ancient aviation technology in the Vedas, leading some scientists to argue that it undermines the empirical evidence on which the congress was founded.

The lecture will be presented by Captain Anand J Bodas, a retired principal of a pilot training facility, and Ameya Jadhav, a lecturer at the Swami Vivekananda International School and Junior College in Mumbai, who will draw upon the ancient Vedic texts to support the view that there was flying technology in ancient India. 

"The Vedic or rather ancient Indian definition of an aeroplane was a vehicle which travels through the air from one country to another country, from one continent to another continent, from one planet to another planet," Captain Anand J Bodas told the Mumbai Mirror . "In those days aeroplanes were huge in size, and could move left, right, as well as backwards, unlike modern planes which only fly forward."

Captain Anand J Bodas draws upon the ancient Vedas for evidence of aviation technology

Captain Anand J Bodas draws upon the ancient Vedas for evidence of aviation technology

The Vedas are a large collection of Sanskrit texts originating in ancient India and constitute the oldest layer of Sanskrit literature and the oldest scriptures of Hinduism. Some of the collection, such as the Samhitas, are known to date back to at least 1700 BC, although it is believed that many go back much further.

The subject of ‘flying machines’ has been a popular subject among ancient astronaut theorists, who argue that some extracts are evidence of extra-terrestrial visitations:

“The Pushpaka (flowery vimana) chariot that resembles the Sun and belongs to my brother was brought by the powerful Ravana; that aerial and excellent chariot going everywhere at will… that chariot resembling a bright cloud in the sky... and the King (Rama) got in, and the excellent chariot at the command of the Raghira, rose up into the higher atmosphere.” (Ramayana)

However, Captain Bodas said that ancient Indians invented the technology and that it was later forgotten because of the passage of time, foreign rulers and things being stolen from the country.

The Mumbai Mirror says that the lecture is “inconsistent with the tradition of scientific method, testable methods and primacy of empirical evidence on which the 102-year-old was founded.

Indian Science Congress Association (ISCA) is a premier scientific organisation of India with a membership strength of more than 30,000 scientists. It was founded in 1914 with the objective to “advance and promote the cause of science in India”.

Valedictory Session of the 100th Indian Science Congress in Kolkata

Valedictory Session of the 100th Indian Science Congress in Kolkata ( Wikimedia Commons )

The decision to include the lecture in the program has stirred up anger among some scientists. Former Director of National Aerospace Laboratories (NAL), Prof Roddam Narasimha, told the Mumbai Mirror, "There is no credible account of aviation in ancient India… The book Vaimanika Prakaranam or Vimanika Shastra has been studied in great detail and the accepted view in the scientific community is that the descriptions given in it are not scientifically correct."

However, Captain Bodas is not without his supporters.

"If we had chosen Sanskrit professors to talk about the references to aviation technology in Sanskrit literature, which includes information on how to make planes, the dress code and diet of pilots, the seven types of fuel used, people would have dismissed us,” said Professor Gauri Mahulikar, head of Mumbai University’s Sanskrit Department and coordinator for the session “but Captain Bodas is himself a pilot, and his co-presenter, Ameya Jadhav, holds an MTech degree besides an MA in Sanskrit.”

Dr S D Sharma, Professor of Aerospace Engineering at IIT-B, also supported the decision to include the lecture in the program for the Science Congress. "I would not dismiss the topic out of hand," he told Mumbai Mirror. "A purely mythological lecture comparing aeroplanes in Sanskrit texts to contemporary ones could be very interesting. However, there should not be any kind of story telling that is not backed by evidence."

Featured image: Krishna and Rukmini as Groom and Bride in a Celestial Chariot ( Wikimedia Commons )

By April Holloway

Comments

The suggestion is easy to verify. Build one.

Shortly before the Wright brothers had there first flight, an indian student had build himself a vimana which made a short unmanned flight and than crashed, but it took off and this guy was not an expert so why was there no attempt from experts in the field, one would argue..... or is that where the Black budgets go so to speak. So to claim that these are just myths is selling short the intellect and magnificense of the old indian people remember that they also had extensive knowledge of the human body and where performing bladder operations ,brainsurgery and plasticsurgery.

Camilla, there is movie footage of the Wright Brothers flight. What they did is beyond dispute. Is there any documentation of your student's flight? I am neutral as to whether it happened or not (I'd be rather thrilled if there were something to these legends), but without hard evidence you are selling short the intellect and magnificense of the modern Indian people and expecting them to accept a big claim without evidence.

The only evidence that will fly is a machine that flies.

The least the scientists attending this conference could do is wait to hear the lecture before complaining about it. The essence of science is an open mind...test then prove or discredit but don't dismiss conjecture before even hearing the case or seeing evidence.

This makes me shake my head in wonder. The Vedas are full of poetic metaphors, as is much of Hindu and Buddhist writing. To take the term "flying" literally is probably a great error. Furthermore, if the ancient Vedic people had aircraft, the evidence would be found all over the subcontinent and elsewhere in the form of the remains of such craft.

But I am of the same opinion as David SG above: let them build one if they are so certain that they existed.

For everyone who is telling to build one refer Shivkar Bapuji Talpade and his history if not BIASED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Frankly, I have often wondered if India might not be the REAL Cradle of Civlization considering there are civilizations there dated 4000 years early than anything involving the Sumerians in modern Iraq.  If memory serves me correctly the Vedas also give instructions for building one of these Vimana flying machines.  So that provides the blue print for building one which, some have suggested, the US military has already done as did Hitler.  If one of the ancient Vimanas were ever found it would likely not be revealed to the world as it would be a prized military secret I am sure.  

As for the Congress, of course they want no discussion on this subject because it might upset their tunnel vision about the way things used to be and then they might have to rewrite human history, God forbid!  Fact is we seriously need to get beyond our own egotism and stop seeing all those who came before us as idiot primitives because they weren't.  Contrary to our popular self misconception we are NOT the pinnacle of human civilization IMO.  And, frankly, looking around at the state of the world and the MAJORITY of humanity today I really question just how "civilized" we are as a species anymore.  

REAL science follows the evidence WHEREVER it may lead.  Build one of these machines and see if it will even fly and then we can take this discussion from there.

 

Haha can you imagine?

After the lecture ( and maybe even during) the souns coming from the room will be like the sounds coming from a chickenpen with a fox circling the pen....

Sunny Young

Sunny, don't forget all great scientists and historians have experienced those sounds from a chickenpen with a fox circling the pen.... lol!

Maybe in a few thousand years, our today comic book superheros will be seen as a question of possibly being something that really existed.
Do anyone see the irony suggested in my comment?

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It is not a very good analogy. Nobody believes that superheros are real (except for some kids). However Gods and ancient achievements were believed to be true and worshipped by the majority of ancient people of that time.

City of Dwarka (Krishna's capital) found under the sea, discovery of Rama setu - the bridge built in the sea by Rama from Kanyakumari to Lanka (today's Shrilanka).... these stories are definitely not mythical. The question is were they really gods or two great rulers their kingdom wanted to believe they were!

We all know, many brilliant mathematical ideas originated from India,However this aviation claim is pretty new,for proper analysis, these papers must be published in peer reviewed scientific journals and must be endorsed by science historians. We should also state if that invention or discovery left any impact for the subsequent generations.

This is a well researched funded acadamic site dedicated to the history of aviation by Wright Brothers company themselves.It acknowledges
Abbas Ibn Firnas to be the first scientist ever to study and test the possibility of manned flight using a fixed-wing aircraft.
http://www.wright-brothers.org/History_Wing/History_of_the_Airplane/Doer...

This is from Samuel O. Poore, University of Darmouth.
http://www.dartmouth.edu/~engs05/syllabus/poore.samuel.htmlinventor
The well documented human flight (with a glider) was first done by Spanish (arab) Abbas Ibn Firnas followed by Turkish inventor Hezarfen Ahmed Celebi.

There is a book dedicated to the history of aviation By John T Harding (have written how Abbas Ibn Firnas left a lasting impact)
http://www.amazon.com/Flyings-Strangest-Moments-Extraordinary-Aviation/d...

Science in 100 Key Breakthroughs - By Paul Parsons

For a non-academics here is a list of articles from CNN,Guardian,Daily Beagle

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/01/29/muslim.inventions/

From Guardian
http://www.theguardian.com/science/2010/feb/01/islamic-science

Spain Honoured Abbas by naming one of the most beautiful bridges in Spain (ibn Firnas Bridge)
Iraq had an airport named after Abbas Ibn Firnas (Now not functioning after US occupation)

Lets wait and watch, it's not only Indian congress doing research on ancient vimana of India, NASA and other countries are also doing research on it.

If any positive news comes, then it will be beneficial to whole world not only to the India.

Research and study must be continue...!! Please support and motivate them

True!

Like the sound from the SUN - 'OM' even inaudible to human ears perceived by ancient Hindus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSlnHxGFNfs&spfreload=10

Where is the evidence the West says? The evidence is in the scripts in which they could be built.
Now the Vimana Shastra was given by the WEST with their fake translations but even so the surviving scripts you could fully construct a chromatometer/monochromator.

WHERE WERE THE WESTERN INVENTIONS before 16th CENTURY?

The white man has simply destroyed many evidences and kept them in his labs, just like Rajiv Malhotra has said - some of them are kept in Harvard where he was invited in a special room

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Don't blame the whole West...a lot of us also think things have been hidden, history purposefully lost or erased(the rock art in the Hypogeum on Malta, for example). The historical narrative is constantly being manipulated, by many factions(not just the West).

It sucks to see western academics be so condescending about the myths, legends, and traditions of cultures around the world, relegating them to highly exaggerated recounts of ancient events at best or fanciful fairy tales at worst.
But it shouldn't be surprising, and I don't think it's linked with racism or anything like that. After all, they do it to everyone's cultural myths, regardless of race, creed, nationality, etc.
And in fact, they did it to their own myths first.

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